Choosing A Patron Saint... Help!

[WickedServant]

Any ideas to help me go about it? I've tried searching the web for concised biographies or lists; no luck. :doh:

Anyhow, is there a method to it? Like do I seek characteristics in a Saint that I think I have, or characteristics in a Saint that I don't, and am seeking? Or is it about the Saint being from your country? (which I doubt) :scratch:

I've been praying to St.Paul (the Apostle) and St.Herman (of Alaska) but I am not settled on the issue, but restless. What does THAT mean? :help:

Bless me

[Kolya]

I've been praying to St.Paul (the Apostle) and St.Herman (of Alaska) but I am not settled on the issue, but restless. What does THAT mean? :help:

It means you havn't been 'chosen' yet. Take your time. A good guide is to see who has a Saintday nearest your birthday.

But go to OCA's site or GOARCH's site and see who is there. Are you an Amicaicn or canadian by birth? Then check out American Saints. Or if you attend a Greek or Russian Church, chose one from those countries.
Take your time. The right one will make themselves known to you.

[Marjorie]

I know that in my case, I was given my saint... my patron saint is the saint from which my name derives (St. Marina.) I am really starting to love her. She is the icon in my avatar. :)

I know that many here feel that their saints 'chose' them instead of the other way around... they just suddenly felt that their saint was calling them. But not everyone has that, so don't worry!

I would just say read as many saints' lives as you can, and pray, and if in the end you still haven't found a saint that has 'grabbed' you, go with one that you would be comfortable asking for prayers regularly... one you feel a kinship with. Both St. Paul and St. Herman are fine saints!

I'll pray for your discernment. :crosseo:

By the way, what is your first name?

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[icxn]

When is your birthday (month and day)?

[Seraphima]

It appeared to me that St Seaphim of Sarov was 'speaking' to me, and wanted me to take his name. But a while later, St Vassili (Basil) the Blessed (Fool for Christ) also started to make it known that he was also my Saint. His nameday is the same as St Seraphim's, so now I have two 'patrons'.lol
One must under stand that it is important to believe that you can pray to Saints and that they hear you. Then they start 'talking' to you. It's very diffucult to explain to new Orthodox.

Anyhow, that is how I expeienced it.

Seraphima

[katherine2001]

My saint chose me. I was trying hard to choose between St. Katherine and St. Photini (the woman at the well). I felt drawn more to St. Photini since she was a woman who had to fight a lot of passions and had a lot of sin in her life, as I did. I was drawn to St. Katherine because of how she overcame all of her passions and became so pure. One day (I work a graveyard shift and sleep during the day) I woke up and sensed that St. Katherine was praying for me, so I chose her as my patron saint. However, I also have an icon of St. Photini in my icon corner because you can ask for intercession from other saints as well.

As Marjorie said, some priests choose your saint for you. Mine encouraged us to choose our own, though he would choose one for you if you couldn't choose. Maybe you could ask him for some ideas. Maybe he can think of saints that would seem to be a good match for you and you could read their stories and choose one.

[katherine2001]

It appeared to me that St Seaphim of Sarov was 'speaking' to me, and wanted me to take his name. But a while later, St Vassili (Basil) the Blessed (Fool for Christ) also started to make it known that he was also my Saint. His nameday is the same as St Seraphim's, so now I have two 'patrons'.lol
One must under stand that it is important to believe that you can pray to Saints and that they hear you. Then they start 'talking' to you. It's very diffucult to explain to new Orthodox.

Anyhow, that is how I expeienced it.

Seraphima

I feel that way about icons. Icons have a way of "speaking" to you also. Try explaining that to someone who doesn't understand icons. I mentioned that to Matushka last week and her reply was that we speak to them and they speak to us.

[moses916]

i don't have a patron saint as because of my baptism since i was baptized as an infant and no one really chose me a saint, but my patron saint is the patron saint of my Church, St. George, i dunno if many ppl pick their patrons saints because its the patron saint of their church but i do.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I agree with most here... let your Patron choose you...

I thought I wanted Peter, but St. Maximos the Confessor kept coming to me. I felt like he was tapping me on the shoulder...

St. Xenia helped me quite a bit as well as St. Moses.

But St. Maximos kept returning....

Don't worry about it.... when it is time to choose the name, you will know.

Forgive me....

[ExOrienteLux]

Just to reiterate what everyone's saying, your Patron really does choose you.

I thought that St. George was going to be my patron until about two weeks before my Chrismation. Then I actually looked at the calendar to see who's commemorated on the day that I would have been baptised, had I been born to Orthodox parents. There are some rather big names: Ss. Philip of the Twelve, Emperor Justinian, Empress Theodora, and Gregory Palamas.

It wasn't until a few hours before my Chrismation that I knew for certain that St. Philip had chosen me. If it had been up to me, I would have picked St. Gregory. I still ask all four of them (Ss. Philip, George, Justinian, and Gregory) to pray for me, though.

-Philip.

[WickedServant]

I can't get those sites, I already tried... I think it's this computer, too many pics or too much background, and forget it... :cry: :mad: :cry: :mad:

First name ---> Kevin :wave:

Birthday ---> July 20

Well since becomming a Christian in '99, I've always felt a kinship to Saint Paul the Apostle (we both hated God's Christians before *miraculous* conversion)

I was baptized before, but I think under the teaching that nothing necessarily happens during baptism (in regards to the Spirit) If so, would I be baptized in Orthodoxy?

Does the Priest perform an exorcism during any baptism? Can anyone explain why?

Bless me

[gzt]

You probably would not be baptized, but we can't say, not knowing who your bishop is/would be. It was done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, right? Yes, priests pray prayers of exorcism before baptism, they're self-explanatory. Here's the first of the four prayers fo exorcism: The Lord rebukes you, O devil, He that came into the world and made His dwelling among men, that He might cast down your tyranny, and deliver men; He that upon the Tree triumphed over the opposing powers, when the sun was darkened, and the earth was shaken, and the tombs were opened, and the bodies of the Saints arose; He that by death destroyed Death, and overcame him that held the might of death, that is, even you, O devil. I adjure you by the Living God, Who has shown forth the Tree of Life, and posted the Cherubim, and the flaming sword that turns about to guard this: be rebuked, and depart, for I forbid you, through Him that walks on the waves of the sea as upon the dry land, Who forbade the storm of the winds, Whose glance dries up the deep, and Whose threatenings melt the mountains; for it is He Himself that now forbids you through us. Be afraid, and depart, and absent yourself from this creature, and come not back, neither hide yourself in him (her), nor encounter him (her), nor influence him (her) either by night or by day, nor in the morning or at noon; but get you hence to your own Tartarus, until the appointed day of Judgment. Fear God , Who sits on the throne of the Cherubim, and looks upon the depths, before Whom tremble Angels, Archangels, Thrones, Principalities, Authorities, Powers, the many-eyed Cherubim, and the six-winged Seraphim; Whom Heaven and earth fear, the sea, and all that live therein. Come forth, and depart from the sealed and newly-enlisted soldier of Christ our God; for I adjure you by Him that rides upon the wings of the winds, Who makes His Angels spirits and His Ministers a flame of fire. Come forth, and from this creature which He fashioned depart with all your power and might; for glorified is the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, both now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.Here's the third: O Lord of Sabaoth, the God of Israel, Who heals every sickness and every wound, Look down upon this Your servant (Name); search out and try him (her), driving away from him (her) every operation of the devil. Rebuke the unclean spirits and expel them, cleansing the work of Your hands; and, using Your trenchant energy, beat down Satan under his (her) feet, giving him (her) victory over him, and over his unclean spirits; so that, obtaining the mercy that comes from You, he (she) may be accounted worthy of Your Immortal and Heavenly Mysteries, and may send up all glory to You, to Father, and to Son, and to Holy Spirit, both now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.Don't worry so much about choosing a patron saint, you don't have to worry about that for a long time and you should see what your priest wants you to do first. He may just want you to take the name Kevin, St. Kevin is a great saint. A friend of mine wrote a children's book about him.

[ExOrienteLux]

Here's the Saints commemorated on your birthday:

Holy Prophet Elijah
St. Abramius of Galich
St. Athanasius of Brest-Litovsk
Martyr Maria Skobtsova
Hieromartyr Demetrius Klepinine
Hieromartyr Alexei Medvedkov

The Saints commemorated eight days after your birthday (when you would have been baptised):

St. Panteleimon the Unmercenary
St. Nicholas Kochanov, Fool for Christ
St. Anthusa of Mantinea
St. Clement of Ochrid
Ss. Angelar, Gorazd, Nahum, and Sava, disciples of Ss. Cyril and Methodius

And those commemorated 40 days after (when you would have been churched):

St. Moses the Black
St. Job of Pochaev
Righteous Anna the Prophetess
St. Susanna of Georgia
St. Sava of Pskov
Righteous Hezekiah the King

Here's a good starter list. Some of the names on that list should be familiar (esp. Ss. Elijah, Panteleimon, Moses and Anna). Hope this helps some.

-Philip.

[Marjorie]

Kevin,

A good book to read on baptism is Of Water and the Spirit by Fr. Alexander Schmemann. *another Schmemann plug!!!*

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[michaeldimmickjr]

Could someone tell me where I can see a list with information on the Patron Saints with there days also? Thank you very much!


In Him,

Michael

[DivineFiliation]

I'm always so anxious to chime in here with my 2cents worth, then I realize that sometimes my Catholic "opinion" or background may not jive with the Orthodox way. For example, I was so quick to answer, "SAINT CECILIA!!!" then I realized that you probably don't have the same St. Cecilia that I was speaking of. :D

[ExOrienteLux]

Go to www.oca.org (http://www.oca.org), click on the link on the left side that says "Feasts and Saints", and there you can put in any name or date to see what saints are commemorated on what day. I find this to be one of the easier listings to navigate.

Shakkai, the only St. Cecilia that I know of died a Virgin-Martyr under the pagan persecutions in Rome. Is that the one you're thinking of or is there another one for RCs? Her feast-day is 22 November.

-Philip.

[DivineFiliation]

The St. Cecilia was a martyr yes. She is the patron saint of music (hence, why she is my confirmation saint). She was in an arrangmed marriage, but her husband "allowed" her to continue to serve God and she stayed a virgin. She also converted her husband from paganism to Christianity. Is that the same one?

[icxn]

What is wrong with Kevin? St. Kevin of Glendalough (http://www.comeandseeicons.com/inp19.htm)is a wonderful saint.

icxn

[WickedServant]

Here's the Saints commemorated on your birthday:

Holy Prophet Elijah
St. Abramius of Galich
St. Athanasius of Brest-Litovsk
Martyr Maria Skobtsova
Hieromartyr Demetrius Klepinine
Hieromartyr Alexei Medvedkov

The Saints commemorated eight days after your birthday (when you would have been baptised):

St. Panteleimon the Unmercenary
St. Nicholas Kochanov, Fool for Christ
St. Anthusa of Mantinea
St. Clement of Ochrid
Ss. Angelar, Gorazd, Nahum, and Sava, disciples of Ss. Cyril and Methodius

And those commemorated 40 days after (when you would have been churched):

St. Moses the Black
St. Job of Pochaev
Righteous Anna the Prophetess
St. Susanna of Georgia
St. Sava of Pskov
Righteous Hezekiah the King

Here's a good starter list. Some of the names on that list should be familiar (esp. Ss. Elijah, Panteleimon, Moses and Anna). Hope this helps some.

-Philip.

Thank you kindly. I'm not entirely sure, but the date of my conversion (Monday September 13 1999) has always surfaced in my thoughts as having a significance other than those I realize... :scratch: So does the Holy Prophet Elisha...

ARRG :sigh:

Thank you all. I'm gonna try the oca site again, if my computer will load it.

:prayer: please oh please God make it work

Bless me

[VickiY]

Two suggestions...First, ask your priest if he has a copy of Fr. George Poulos's four-volume work on the Lives of the saints. Although limited, and condensed, and fairly deficient as far as being definitive works, the one or two page biographies will give you an overview, and if any appeal to you strongly, you can research them further. All saints are arranged by Feast day, according to the New Calendar. Second: go online to the prologue from Ochrid, and examine the information there as well.

Don't stress about it.

[DivineFiliation]

So anything prior to 1054, the Catholic Church and Orthodox church were "together?" So saints canonized prior to 1054 are "good" for both churches?

[Matrona]

The Saints commemorated eight days after your birthday (when you would have been baptised):

That's when the child is named, not baptized. Children are usually baptized 40 days after they're born and not until after the churching of the mother and child has been done.

[/threadjack]

[Matrona]

So anything prior to 1054, the Catholic Church and Orthodox church were "together?" So saints canonized prior to 1054 are "good" for both churches?

Usually, yes. Most pre-schism saints are shared between us. After 1054 we are separate churches and have different saints. You guys wouldn't recognize St. Job Pochaev or St. Nektarios of Aegina who are Orthodox saints only, and we don't recognize St. Clare or St. John of the Cross who are Roman Catholic saints only.

Sometimes we celebrate a saint on a different day (Holy Innocents, for example), but we have many common saints. Both of us recognize St. Patrick of Ireland and St. Martin of Tours, even though they shone forth in the West, and both of us recognize St. Romanos the Melodist (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13154a.htm) and St. Vladimir the Great (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15497a.htm), even though they shone forth in the East.

Two exceptions are St. Constantine and St. Photios. They are both preschism but are only recognized in the Orthodox Church.

[WickedServant]

Two suggestions...First, ask your priest if he has a copy of Fr. George Poulos's four-volume work on the Lives of the saints. Although limited, and condensed, and fairly deficient as far as being definitive works, the one or two page biographies will give you an overview, and if any appeal to you strongly, you can research them further. All saints are arranged by Feast day, according to the New Calendar. Second: go online to the prologue from Ochrid, and examine the information there as well.
Don't stress about it.

Awsome, thank you! :hug: This problematic computer also let me get on oca long enough to check Sept 13 (when I fell to Christ) and wow good stuff, I have a list of Saints to review. :priest: :scratch: :priest: I'm not sure that I'm stressing; more like enthusiastically anxious to have everything prepared for my induction... :holy:

I love Orthodoxy, its like coming out of the crisp winter cold into the warmth of your small firelit livingroom...

Bless me

[WickedServant]

Wow! Greatmartyr Ketevan has a pretty amazing story, praise God. :bow: Just thought I'd share that... :sorry:

Bless me

[Kripost]

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Two exceptions are St. Constantine and St. Photios. They are both preschism but are only recognized in the Orthodox Church.

I am not sure about St. Photios, but Ss Constantine and Helene are listed in my Ukrainian Catholic calendar.

[MORTANIUS]

How is it known that your Patron Saint selects you?

[WickedServant]

How is it known that your Patron Saint selects you?

Good question... wish it had been mine. :sorry: [no, I'm NOT stressing about who my Patron is :eek: ] [why am I fidgeting? Uh, no reason :o ] Lol.

I keep telling myself that 6 months is more than enough time to know what there is to know about His Church... and then I wake up.

Bless me

[Lotar]

How is it known that your Patron Saint selects you?

You just do. ;)

Sorry, probably not very helpfull... :sorry:

[VickiY]

To be honest, (and I am a cradle Orthodox, so I merely repeat) many people have related things as different in nature as reading a biography of a saint who had similar interests to their profession, or to their life circumstances, to visiting Churches and standing before relics or iconography and FEELING a connection. Others dream, others have suddenly smelled incense in a place no incense would be while mulling over a name.

BUT...remember that God is Wondrous in ALL His saints...no saint will "reject you" as an applicant. The reason we are given a new name that must be a saint's name is because the struggle to reach theosis is a life-long one, and we need the heavenly patronage and role models that they provide us.

In despairing moments, one can say "Well, Christ is my role-model, but it was easy for Him not to sin, or to despair, as He is God, and understands EVERYTHING, so He could make the right choices. I'm just a snivelling sinner, HOW can ~I~ ever finish the race?" That is when we can turn to our patron saints and ask their intercession...as they were as we are. Sinners, in many cases horribly so! However, they repented, believed, and in so doing show us that it is possible for our own miserable natures to reflect Christ's Glory as theirs did, and continue to do.

Too, many jurisdictions allow you to be christened with TWO names, if there is a reason. I have known a child who was born virtually blind to have been given the saint's name her parents first chose for her, PLUS that of St. Paraskevi, patron saint of eye ailments. She was baptized and is communed under both names. (I also have two names)

The important thing, though, is that you can pray to any saint you need to, and ask that they intercede for you before the Throne of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

And, no, I was not criticizing you for "stressing", just telling you that you do not need to know all at once, though the soul that is starving craves that spiritual information as a starving man craves food...but we all know it is better to eat just a little and absorb it than it is to stuff ourselves and not be able to retain it (sorry for that imagery).

Blessings be upon you!

Vicki

[WickedServant]

To be honest, (and I am a cradle Orthodox, so I merely repeat) many people have related things as different in nature as reading a biography of a saint who had similar interests to their profession, or to their life circumstances, to visiting Churches and standing before relics or iconography and FEELING a connection. Others dream, others have suddenly smelled incense in a place no incense would be while mulling over a name.
BUT...remember that God is Wondrous in ALL His saints...no saint will "reject you" as an applicant. The reason we are given a new name that must be a saint's name is because the struggle to reach theosis is a life-long one, and we need the heavenly patronage and role models that they provide us.
In despairing moments, one can say "Well, Christ is my role-model, but it was easy for Him not to sin, or to despair, as He is God, and understands EVERYTHING, so He could make the right choices. I'm just a snivelling sinner, HOW can ~I~ ever finish the race?" That is when we can turn to our patron saints and ask their intercession...as they were as we are. Sinners, in many cases horribly so! However, they repented, believed, and in so doing show us that it is possible for our own miserable natures to reflect Christ's Glory as theirs did, and continue to do.
Too, many jurisdictions allow you to be christened with TWO names, if there is a reason. I have known a child who was born virtually blind to have been given the saint's name her parents first chose for her, PLUS that of St. Paraskevi, patron saint of eye ailments. She was baptized and is communed under both names. (I also have two names)
The important thing, though, is that you can pray to any saint you need to, and ask that they intercede for you before the Throne of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
And, no, I was not criticizing you for "stressing", just telling you that you do not need to know all at once, though the soul that is starving craves that spiritual information as a starving man craves food...but we all know it is better to eat just a little and absorb it than it is to stuff ourselves and not be able to retain it (sorry for that imagery).
Blessings be upon you!
Vicki

Bless you too, and thanks for the input!

In all honesty, I first thought it would be St.Paul the Holy Apostle, and I keep praying and thinking about him, except... I just picture him tearing strips off of me for the messes I put myself in. :mad: The rough side of his tongue; all day long. :cry:

God, I'm a sinner.

Bless me

[Marjorie]

Well the saints are there to love us and guide us, not hurt us! But knowing St. Paul (and we do know St. Paul), I'm sure he'd chastise you occasionally, for your own good. :D

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[Lotar]

Here's something priest (Fr. Josiah) wrote; it might help you out.

The Orthodox Church has always placed great significance upon names. In fact, not only are names of great import in the Church, but the actual process of naming someone holds great significance to us. These customs are of divine origin and of tremendous significance, but unfortunately are not a part of modern American culture. The significance of names and naming is one area where Orthodox Tradition will inevitably effect the American practice, and is also an area where we must be on guard of the reverse effect and of allowing American culture to rob the Church of meaningful and universal customs.



The Scriptural Background. Creation- The significance of names is evident at the very beginning of Biblical history. God had just made the heavens and the earth in six days, and finally finished his glorious work of creation by fashioning man from the dust of the earth. After Adam (whose name in Hebrew means "earth" or "ground" from which he was made) was created something very interesting takes place. God brings all of the animals which had been made on the previous days to Adam so that Adam can name them (Gen. 2:19).Whatever Adam named the animal is what the animal was called. Now this all was very meaningful. Not only was Adam's headship over all of creation demonstrated by the fact that he was fashioned as the pinacle of creation at the end of the sixth day, but his superiority to the animal kingdom was demonstrated by his power to name them and in so doing define them. By naming the animals Adam's authority over them was expressed, and Adam imaged God who had first named him. Man was to lead the physical creation in the worship and service of the Holy Trinity. He was to subdue and rule over the world, and the first act of this regal life was the process of naming the animals.

Shortly thereafter God fashioned a wife for Adam out of his side. Adam called his new wife "woman" because she was taken out of man (Gen. 2:23). Her name showed her very nature as being derived from man ("For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man", 1Cor. 11:8). After the evil serpent tempted our first parents and led them to sin bringing death into the world, God intervened and promised the Redeemer would come from the woman's seed to crush the serpent and trample down death by death (Gen. 3:15). As a result of this Adam named his wife "Eve", which means "life" or "life-producer". Her name explained who she was. She was the one through whom Christ would come, who would give life to the world. The fact that Adam did the naming was a sign that he was Eve's head and protector, and that she would find her fulfillment and destiny under his leadership.



As an interesting sidenote, one of the marks of the inroads of unhealthy feminism in our culture is the wife's rejection of the husband's name. Many women today refuse to take their new husbands' last names at marriage, and it is vogue also for women to hyphenate their maiden names with their husbands' names. Also popular today is the combining of the husband's and wife's surnames into a new surname all together. This is a reflection of non-Christian family norms, and is not an Orthodox practice.



Abraham- This excursion into the significance of names in the opening chapters of the Bible is simply intended to highlight the significance of naming and names. This reality is found throughout the Bible. Think of our righteous father Abraham and our mother Sarah. Were their names always Abraham and Sarah? No. They were originally Abram and Sarai. God himself gave Abraham and Sarah new names when he established His covenant with them (Gen.17:5,15). Abraham's name now reflected God's promise to him that he would be the father of many nations for "Abraham" means "father of a great number."



Remember also Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham. Jacob received a new name from God as a grown man. Do you know what his new name was? Israel (Gen.32:28). God gave it to him after he wrestled with the angel of the Lord. Israel means "he who persists with God".



Daniel- The list of Biblical accounts of name changes etc. goes on and on. There is a particularly interesting account of the significance of names in the book of the prophet Daniel. You remember the scenario of Daniel's life. He was part of an elite group of young Israelite men who were captured by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in about 600 B.C.. Daniel and his friends were taken into exile in Babylon from Israel as young men, probably about the age of 16. King Nebuchadnezzar wanted to train these gifted youth in his Babylonian court so that his government would be served by the best. Having arrived in Babylon Daniel and his friends were subjected to a radical re-education process to indoctrinate them into Babylonian wisdom and life and to extirpate any Israelite ways of thinking. The Israelite youths were instructed in the "language and literature" of the Chaldeans. Their diet was altered to conform with that of the Babylonian court, and significantly for our present interests all of their names were changed. "Then the commander of the officials assigned new names to them; and to Daniel he assigned the name Belteshazzar, to Hananiah Shadrach, to Mishael Meshach, and to Azariah Abednego" (Dan1:7). Here we see a universal recognition of the great significance of names. The name Daniel means "God is judge" in Hebrew, and so it was changed to Belteshazzar which menas "May the god Bel protect his life." Who is Bel anyway? He was a Babylonian god!



Orthodox Names in the Church Today. This venerable and ancient Biblical custom concerning religious names and the significance of naming continues amidst the people of God in the Church today.



Baptismal Names:"By Orthodox practice, an infant is not given a name until he/she is baptized [or in the Naming Service in preparation for baptism on the eighth day or on the day of Churching- ed.]. Actually, in Orthodox countries where the Orthodox faith is the state religion, such as Greece, an infant is not even registered with civil authorities until it is registered by the priest acting as a civil registrar, the priest himself having first named the child. If an infant happened to die before it was baptized, the death certificate would read, 'an unbaptized boy/girl of (name of parents)'" (A Dictionary of Greek Orthodoxy, Rev. N. A. Patrinacos, Hellenic Heritage Publications, Pleasantville, N.Y., 1984; p.48). Because Orthodox receive their names not at their physical birth but at their more important spiritual birth when one becomes a Christian, and because the names Orthodox receive are saints' names we call our names "Christian names".



The Role of the Godparent and the Priest: On the day of baptism or on the eighth day at the Naming Service of Prayer it is the Godparent who first names the child. The choice of the Christian name involves the Godparent. In some traditions in the Church, the first-born receives the name of his paternal grandfather if a boy and of his maternal grandmother if a girl. Additional children are named at baptism by the godparent who is presenting the child for holy baptism, and today it is common for the godparent and biological parents to meet together prior to the baptism and agree upon a appropriate name (Ibid., p.49). From that moment on the person is called this Christian name in the Church by the priest. From his earliest days as an infant at the chalice the person will hear his Christian name spoken and have his identity as a child of God and of His Church reinforced as the priest says, "The servant of God (N.) receives the precious and all-holy Body and Blood of our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ for remission of sins and for eternal life" while adminstering the sacred Cup. Throughout his Christian life the individual will hear his Christian name from the mouth of the priest in prayer during the Liturgy, during the mystery of confession, and finally even at his funeral when the priest will pray, "For You are the resurrection, the life, and the repose of Your servant (N.), who has fallen asleep, O Christ our God...". At each of these moments the Orthodox Christian is drawn both to a remembrance of his Christian identity and of the nearness of his patron saint whose name he bears.



Name Days: The Christian name given to a newly baptized child or adult is the name of the saint who will be that person's patron saint throughout his life. "By bearing the name of a saint, the Orthodox acquires an identity akin to that of the saint whose name he/she bears...By Orthodox tradition beginning with the early Church, the Orthodox celebrates his name day on the day of the feast of the saints whose name he/she was given at Baptism. One's date of birth appears to be of lesser importance to the Greek Orthodox than his name day. The former signifies one's physical birth while the latter is the all-important day of his spiritual birth. And it is widely believed among the Orthodox that what makes physical birth really meaningful is one's spiritual rebirth at Baptism" (ibid., pp. 50, 261). "The festival of their patron saint they keep as their Name Day, and to most Orthodox (as to most Roman Catholics...) this is a date far more important than one's birthday" (Ware, Timothy (Bishop Kallistos), The Orthodox Church, Penguin Books, 1963, p.257). Celebrating one's name day honors one's patron saint, and directly connects the Orthodox with his own baptism and the continuing life and intercession of one's heavenly patron. On this day one should by all means seek to attend the divine service at Church and join in the veneration of his patron, and celebrate his patronage. It is a day of great happiness.



Some Orthodox Christians, due to unusual circumstances surrounding their reception into the Church, have at times not been given Christian names at their baptisms/chrismations. This permitted oversight is an act of economia in order to facilitate the reception of large numbers of converts in a short period of time or for some other pressing reason, and over time it is expected that those received in this way will adopt Christian names and patron saints. Acts of economia are not intended to become fixed rules, but are exceptions to fixed rules in order to build up the Church in particular situations. The fixed rule of our faith is that Christian names are given to the baptized/christmated and all Orthodox Christians have patron saints whom they love and honor.



Some Orthodox who lived out much of their lives without being Orthodox and having a Christian name do not use their Christian names in everyday usage. They do, however, use their Christian names in the Church when they are commemorated and prayed for, and when they receive holy communion. Having and using a Christian name is a great dignity and privilege. It is our family name given to us by God himself. It's use reminds us of the great gift of being a part of God's family and related to the saints of heaven. We remember that through the mouth of the priest or bishop Christ himself has given his servant a new name and identity. Our Lord has said, "To him who overcomes...I will give a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it" (Rev. 2:17). In the future faithful Christians may look forward to receiving a final name given directly by Jesus himself perfectly fitted to their character.



How to Find a Patron Saint. If you find yourself Orthodox and without a patron saint here are a few suggestions. Do something about it in order not to rob yourself of the tremendous comfort of having a patron. Pray to God, and ask him to show you who your patron should be. Ask that the saint himself would act on your behalf, and in effect choose you! Meditate and seek to discern if a love for a particular saint has been born in you already by the Holy Spirit. If you are still at a loss consider taking one of the saints commemorated on the day of your birth or baptism/chrismation. Finally, don't make the taking of a patron into such a difficult issue that it takes you years to decide. After prudent consideration make a decision, and begin to use your Christian name, if not at all times then at least in the Church for prayer and the eucharist, and begin the wonderful journey of learning about and emulating your patron saint and celebrating your name day!



A Few Additional Remarks. In closing we leave with a few miscellaneous remarks on the practice of using Christian names. Orthodox don't name animals with Christian names. To do so is disrespectful to the saints. Did you know that at the time of his tonsure a monastic takes a new Christian name, and gives up using his previous Christian name since monastic tonsuring is viewed as a second baptism and the beginning of a new kind of angelic life? Lastly, it is fitting to remind our readers of that name which is above every name: the ever-blessed name of Jesus. Our Lord himself was named Jesus because the archangel Gabriel told Joseph to name him so. Why "Jesus"? The angel tells us our Lord was named Jesus "because he would save his people from their sins" (St. Matt. 1:21). Jesus is the Greek form of the Hebrew "Joshua" which means "the Lord is salvation." Our Savior was named after that great servant of Moses Joshua who led the people of Israel into the promise land. And so, as the greater Joshua, our Lord shall lead us into that greater promised land of everlasting life and blessedness to the glory of His All-Holy Name!







A PRAYER TO ONE'S PATRON SAINT



"Pray unto God for me, O Holy (N.), well-pleasing to God: for I turn unto you, who are the speedy helper and intercessor for my soul."



Illustration: In Return of the Jedi at the end when Darth Vader and his son Luke Skywalker are having their showdown Luke appeals to his father remaining goodness to turn him from the dark side and calls him "....Skywalker" to which Darth Vader violently reacts saying, 'That name means nothing to me anymore...This person etc. is dead....

[sin_vladimirov]

St. Paul of Tarsus:

Christian,
Orthodox,
celibate,
PhD of Theology,
well-travelled,
politically incorrect,
caring,
strict,
fool for Christ,
honest,
living Saint...


:scratch: Is he an Athonite elder?













The tradition has it that St. John Chrysostom had a personal expirience with St. Paul that was wittnessed by one of St. Johns helpers. Now, if you ever read St. John 's homilies, you will see that expirience did "rub of on him".

Thus, when it comes to a Patristic reproach, no body scares me more than St. John except St. Paul.
He just told it the way it was. No if, but's or maybes... you did it wrong, he came down on you like you won't believe it.

Plus he was a tradesman, I think he though of all of us as apprentices of Christ who was a Great Master, the Owner of the "bussines", the BIG BOSS.And St. Paus was a supervisor, so, you do it wrong, you get smashed.

And God forbid you do it wrong infront of him. You "will be doing the lunch run for the rest of you life".

[Michael the Iconographer]

I was not able to choose my patron saint, as he was given to me at my baptism, St. Michael the Archangel. However, I do have a secondary patron saint who chose me long before I had even known he had chosen me, and that is St. Andrei Rublev.

[MariaRegina]

Here's something priest (Fr. Josiah) wrote; it might help you out.

The Orthodox Church has always placed great significance upon names. In fact, not only are names of great import in the Church, but the actual process of naming someone holds great significance to us. These customs are of divine origin and of tremendous significance, but unfortunately are not a part of modern American culture. The significance of names and naming is one area where Orthodox Tradition will inevitably effect the American practice, and is also an area where we must be on guard of the reverse effect and of allowing American culture to rob the Church of meaningful and universal customs.



The Scriptural Background. Creation- The significance of names is evident at the very beginning of Biblical history. God had just made the heavens and the earth in six days, and finally finished his glorious work of creation by fashioning man from the dust of the earth. After Adam (whose name in Hebrew means "earth" or "ground" from which he was made) was created something very interesting takes place. God brings all of the animals which had been made on the previous days to Adam so that Adam can name them (Gen. 2:19).Whatever Adam named the animal is what the animal was called. Now this all was very meaningful. Not only was Adam's headship over all of creation demonstrated by the fact that he was fashioned as the pinacle of creation at the end of the sixth day, but his superiority to the animal kingdom was demonstrated by his power to name them and in so doing define them. By naming the animals Adam's authority over them was expressed, and Adam imaged God who had first named him. Man was to lead the physical creation in the worship and service of the Holy Trinity. He was to subdue and rule over the world, and the first act of this regal life was the process of naming the animals.

Shortly thereafter God fashioned a wife for Adam out of his side. Adam called his new wife "woman" because she was taken out of man (Gen. 2:23). Her name showed her very nature as being derived from man ("For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man", 1Cor. 11:8). After the evil serpent tempted our first parents and led them to sin bringing death into the world, God intervened and promised the Redeemer would come from the woman's seed to crush the serpent and trample down death by death (Gen. 3:15). As a result of this Adam named his wife "Eve", which means "life" or "life-producer". Her name explained who she was. She was the one through whom Christ would come, who would give life to the world. The fact that Adam did the naming was a sign that he was Eve's head and protector, and that she would find her fulfillment and destiny under his leadership.



As an interesting sidenote, one of the marks of the inroads of unhealthy feminism in our culture is the wife's rejection of the husband's name. Many women today refuse to take their new husbands' last names at marriage, and it is vogue also for women to hyphenate their maiden names with their husbands' names. Also popular today is the combining of the husband's and wife's surnames into a new surname all together. This is a reflection of non-Christian family norms, and is not an Orthodox practice.



Abraham- This excursion into the significance of names in the opening chapters of the Bible is simply intended to highlight the significance of naming and names. This reality is found throughout the Bible. Think of our righteous father Abraham and our mother Sarah. Were their names always Abraham and Sarah? No. They were originally Abram and Sarai. God himself gave Abraham and Sarah new names when he established His covenant with them (Gen.17:5,15). Abraham's name now reflected God's promise to him that he would be the father of many nations for "Abraham" means "father of a great number."



Remember also Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham. Jacob received a new name from God as a grown man. Do you know what his new name was? Israel (Gen.32:28). God gave it to him after he wrestled with the angel of the Lord. Israel means "he who persists with God".



Daniel- The list of Biblical accounts of name changes etc. goes on and on. There is a particularly interesting account of the significance of names in the book of the prophet Daniel. You remember the scenario of Daniel's life. He was part of an elite group of young Israelite men who were captured by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in about 600 B.C.. Daniel and his friends were taken into exile in Babylon from Israel as young men, probably about the age of 16. King Nebuchadnezzar wanted to train these gifted youth in his Babylonian court so that his government would be served by the best. Having arrived in Babylon Daniel and his friends were subjected to a radical re-education process to indoctrinate them into Babylonian wisdom and life and to extirpate any Israelite ways of thinking. The Israelite youths were instructed in the "language and literature" of the Chaldeans. Their diet was altered to conform with that of the Babylonian court, and significantly for our present interests all of their names were changed. "Then the commander of the officials assigned new names to them; and to Daniel he assigned the name Belteshazzar, to Hananiah Shadrach, to Mishael Meshach, and to Azariah Abednego" (Dan1:7). Here we see a universal recognition of the great significance of names. The name Daniel means "God is judge" in Hebrew, and so it was changed to Belteshazzar which menas "May the god Bel protect his life." Who is Bel anyway? He was a Babylonian god!



Orthodox Names in the Church Today. This venerable and ancient Biblical custom concerning religious names and the significance of naming continues amidst the people of God in the Church today.



Baptismal Names:"By Orthodox practice, an infant is not given a name until he/she is baptized [or in the Naming Service in preparation for baptism on the eighth day or on the day of Churching- ed.]. Actually, in Orthodox countries where the Orthodox faith is the state religion, such as Greece, an infant is not even registered with civil authorities until it is registered by the priest acting as a civil registrar, the priest himself having first named the child. If an infant happened to die before it was baptized, the death certificate would read, 'an unbaptized boy/girl of (name of parents)'" (A Dictionary of Greek Orthodoxy, Rev. N. A. Patrinacos, Hellenic Heritage Publications, Pleasantville, N.Y., 1984; p.48). Because Orthodox receive their names not at their physical birth but at their more important spiritual birth when one becomes a Christian, and because the names Orthodox receive are saints' names we call our names "Christian names".



The Role of the Godparent and the Priest: On the day of baptism or on the eighth day at the Naming Service of Prayer it is the Godparent who first names the child. The choice of the Christian name involves the Godparent. In some traditions in the Church, the first-born receives the name of his paternal grandfather if a boy and of his maternal grandmother if a girl. Additional children are named at baptism by the godparent who is presenting the child for holy baptism, and today it is common for the godparent and biological parents to meet together prior to the baptism and agree upon a appropriate name (Ibid., p.49). From that moment on the person is called this Christian name in the Church by the priest. From his earliest days as an infant at the chalice the person will hear his Christian name spoken and have his identity as a child of God and of His Church reinforced as the priest says, "The servant of God (N.) receives the precious and all-holy Body and Blood of our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ for remission of sins and for eternal life" while adminstering the sacred Cup. Throughout his Christian life the individual will hear his Christian name from the mouth of the priest in prayer during the Liturgy, during the mystery of confession, and finally even at his funeral when the priest will pray, "For You are the resurrection, the life, and the repose of Your servant (N.), who has fallen asleep, O Christ our God...". At each of these moments the Orthodox Christian is drawn both to a remembrance of his Christian identity and of the nearness of his patron saint whose name he bears.



Name Days: The Christian name given to a newly baptized child or adult is the name of the saint who will be that person's patron saint throughout his life. "By bearing the name of a saint, the Orthodox acquires an identity akin to that of the saint whose name he/she bears...By Orthodox tradition beginning with the early Church, the Orthodox celebrates his name day on the day of the feast of the saints whose name he/she was given at Baptism. One's date of birth appears to be of lesser importance to the Greek Orthodox than his name day. The former signifies one's physical birth while the latter is the all-important day of his spiritual birth. And it is widely believed among the Orthodox that what makes physical birth really meaningful is one's spiritual rebirth at Baptism" (ibid., pp. 50, 261). "The festival of their patron saint they keep as their Name Day, and to most Orthodox (as to most Roman Catholics...) this is a date far more important than one's birthday" (Ware, Timothy (Bishop Kallistos), The Orthodox Church, Penguin Books, 1963, p.257). Celebrating one's name day honors one's patron saint, and directly connects the Orthodox with his own baptism and the continuing life and intercession of one's heavenly patron. On this day one should by all means seek to attend the divine service at Church and join in the veneration of his patron, and celebrate his patronage. It is a day of great happiness.



Some Orthodox Christians, due to unusual circumstances surrounding their reception into the Church, have at times not been given Christian names at their baptisms/chrismations. This permitted oversight is an act of economia in order to facilitate the reception of large numbers of converts in a short period of time or for some other pressing reason, and over time it is expected that those received in this way will adopt Christian names and patron saints. Acts of economia are not intended to become fixed rules, but are exceptions to fixed rules in order to build up the Church in particular situations. The fixed rule of our faith is that Christian names are given to the baptized/christmated and all Orthodox Christians have patron saints whom they love and honor.


Some Orthodox who lived out much of their lives without being Orthodox and having a Christian name do not use their Christian names in everyday usage. They do, however, use their Christian names in the Church when they are commemorated and prayed for, and when they receive holy communion. Having and using a Christian name is a great dignity and privilege. It is our family name given to us by God himself. It's use reminds us of the great gift of being a part of God's family and related to the saints of heaven. We remember that through the mouth of the priest or bishop Christ himself has given his servant a new name and identity. Our Lord has said, "To him who overcomes...I will give a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it" (Rev. 2:17). In the future faithful Christians may look forward to receiving a final name given directly by Jesus himself perfectly fitted to their character.


A PRAYER TO ONE'S PATRON SAINT

"Pray unto God for me, O Holy (N.), well-pleasing to God: for I turn unto you, who are the speedy helper and intercessor for my soul."




Great post!