Friends, Anglicans, Countrymen.....

[RobNJ]

...Lend me a dime!!! (ears, I already have!)


I have recently changed my faith icon to Orthodox, and as such, feel I should be removed from modding this forum.
This is a great forum, with some wonderful posters, so you haven't gotten rid of me altogether;)

Well, look at it this way: since as a non-Anglican, I can't debate in here, PV can finally get the last word in, on the NRSV!!

I'll see you folks around the Alehouse!!:thumbsup:

[Lel]

Well now, I'm not even an Anglican, but I like you! So yeah, come 'round the Alehouse, and you can even get the surly barmaid's assistant (the assistant, me, is surly, not the wonderful barmaid herself!) to serve you a free drink of your choice...and I don't offer that lightly! :P

May God bless you richly on your new journey!

[Fish and Bread]

*Wow*. I honestly didn't see that one coming. What prompted you to join the Eastern Orthodox Church? Which juristication are you joining (OCA, Greek, Antioch, etc.?)? Are you going to be in one of those western rite parishes or an eastern rite parish? English language? You can't just make a change like that and then leave us guessing. ;)

Seriously, my best wishes to you on your faith journey and I look forward to continuing our conversations in the Alehouse.

John

[AveMaria]

What an exciting turn of events on your faith journey! I wish you the best and hope you do continue to stick around here, your presence is a blessing!

[SeenAndUnseen]

Many blessings, and many years. Hope to see you around at the alehouse sometime. :crossrc:

[gitlance]

You are joining Orthodoxy? What made this happen, and why have you decided to leave ECUSA? (Not to mention that lovely St. John the Divine Cathedral.... hahaha).

[julian the apostate]

i spend a lot of time at an orthodox forum
the founder and one of the moderators now attend ecusa churches

go figure

[PaladinValer]

I never had a complaint against the RSV...:( (well, not a serious one that is; it is a truly exceptional translation).

Tell us your reasons for leaving the Collective?

[Cjwinnit]

You are a Greek Anglican? ;)

*runs stage left*

[gtsecc]

i spend a lot of time at an orthodox forum
the founder and one of the moderators now attend ecusa churches

go figure

Why?

[Mysterium_Fidei]

Many years, may the Lord bless you.

[alban]

I've only been here a short time, but i can already tell you're a wonderful moderator and Anglican. I wish you God speed in your spiritual journey, and pray that one day God may guide you back to the holy Anglican church.:wave:

[julian the apostate]

gtsecc<<<why

i dunno exactly,, generally i got the sense that there is a strain running through orthodox ecclesiology that basically considers themselves the only church and the rest of us graceless schismatics - - we celebrate the sacraments with good intentions, but at the end of the day we are graceless, i think that eventually got to them, im probably overstating somehow and would not want to misrepresent all orthodox,
perhaps someone who is orhtodox or knows more than i do about it, could comment

they would re-baptize us from what i had gathered

[thejesusfish90]

My prayers are with you for gods guidance and prescence in your journey....

YBIC

Chris

[RedneckAnglican]

I thought I saw you lurking over there the other day...of course I was the other lurker...

[StChristopherofPalestine]

gtsecc<<<why

i dunno exactly,, generally i got the sense that there is a strain running through orthodox ecclesiology that basically considers themselves the only church and the rest of us graceless schismatics - - we celebrate the sacraments with good intentions, but at the end of the day we are graceless, i think that eventually got to them, im probably overstating somehow and would not want to misrepresent all orthodox,
perhaps someone who is orhtodox or knows more than i do about it, could comment

they would re-baptize us from what i had gathered

We Orthodox do consider ourselves to be the true Church founded by Our Lord on Pentecost. Some take this to more extreme levels than others, but in all truth we can only say where the Church is, not where it isn't. However, we do not believe that anyone has the true Sacraments outside of the Orthodox Church. We say this because we believe Apostolic Succession is more than just a lineage, it requires an adherence to the teachings and faith handed down along with the laying on of hands, which we obviously believe the Orthodox Church has kept.

Also, the Baptism thing is a really complicated matter. It depends on what jurisdiction you're under. For example, my Bishop (Archbishop Dmitri of All the South and Dallas, OCA) forbids anyone to be re-baptized if they have been baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Others, such as the jurisdiction of Jerusalem, requires that all new converts be baptized. I don't know where I stand on the issue (I've never been baptized, I'm still a catechumen), but I will side with my Bishop since, well, he's my Bishop.

Hope this helps. God bless and sorry we stole your mod. ;)

[Fish and Bread]

However, we do not believe that anyone has the true Sacraments outside of the Orthodox Church. We say this because we believe Apostolic Succession is more than just a lineage, it requires an adherence to the teachings and faith handed down along with the laying on of hands, which we obviously believe the Orthodox Church has kept.

The Eastern Orthodox Church has had it's share of bishops which, in retrospect, the EOC had admitted taught heresies. Were all the sacraments and ordinations administered by said bishops invalid? What about the bishops and priests who may hold heresies in their hearts? The idea that such a crtieria for Apostolic Succession can be adequately enforced and recorded is very suspect, to my way of thinking. I don't think any church, the EO included, can really measure up to having Apostolic Succession in the way that you suggest.

Also, the Baptism thing is a really complicated matter. It depends on what jurisdiction you're under. For example, my Bishop (Archbishop Dmitri of All the South and Dallas, OCA) forbids anyone to be re-baptized if they have been baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Others, such as the jurisdiction of Jerusalem, requires that all new converts be baptized.

So which bishops are adhering to the faith and practices handed down on baptism and which ones are the heretics out of Apostolic Succession, in your view? ;)

There are some aspects of the Eastern Orthodox Church that I really like, but I do sense some of the arrogance and exclusivity of Rome, which, as is the case with the Romans, is a sharp contrast with the good news of Christ, in my view.

I don't want to sound as if I intend to direct any of this as a negative personally to you, though, Christopher. I am happy you decided to visit with us and it is a great pleasure to see the Christian faith alive and well in the Holy Land in these dangerous times. It is a very brave thing to be a Christian in Palestine these days. That you would convert under such circumstances says many good things about your character and your commitment to Christ.

John

[benedictine]

I never had a complaint against the RSV...:( (well, not a serious one that is; it is a truly exceptional translation).

Tell us your reasons for leaving the Collective?


***Resistance is futile. [pause] Tactical Cubes 971, 665, and 235 move into Transwarp aperture 4758 and prepare for reassimilation.***

[Colabomb]

My view concerning succession is that it is a Sacrament for the Church, not necessarily for individual Christians.

There have been heretics throughout History, I am sure many of them secretly so. Does that mean that their entire line of Succession after them is Broken? I don't believe God would do that to the Church. I believe God will Judge the Bishop for his sin, I don't think God will punish the Church for it though, by making us constantly wonder if the Sacraments are Real, or if our Bishop is in a broken Line.

I believe God is too Gracious for that.

[julian the apostate]

st christopher of palestine<<However, we do not believe that anyone has the true Sacraments outside of the Orthodox Church.


i know, it just sounds so harsh i couldnt come right out and say it,,

thanks for doing it for me

good luck rob

btw, are you a convert st christopher of palestine? (usually its just converts that love to type stuff like that)