I read with concern this new coptic church

[Franze]

http://www.cairomagazine.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=993&format=html

Comments about it, it´s a rival for the coptic communion?

Greetings

[minasoliman]

***...this guy is getting two anathemas up from me.

HOW IN THE WORLD IS HE PATRIARCH IF NO ONE ORDAINED HIM TO BE AT LEAST A PRIEST!!!!!

This guy is making me sick!!!! He has to be crazy, someone get this delusional maniac a psychologist.

[CopticGirl]

And did you read what his problem with our church is??? We are too concervative and won't modernize. We are strict with divorce. How ridiculous. It's like this guy wants us to lower our standards for society. I for one, am glad we won't change with the times.

God Bless,
Elizabeth

[SirTimothy]

If my understanding serves me rightly, if he was a bishop, he could in /theory/ claim to split off as a new patriarch, although he'd get in trouble very quickly. But bishops have to be ordained by other bishops (At least 2-3 other bishops in the Anglican church, I assume the same in the CO) and I can't quite imagine any self-respecting bishop ordaining someone they didn't think was sound, and hadn't spent years working towards it. As he's not ordained a priest, I don't think any CO could take him seriously. Any sacrament other than baptism performed by him would be invalid.

Timothy

[minasoliman]

Yes, he was a layman who "ordained himself" as bishop. Wasn't even a priest. I do think and in hopes that people don't take this guy seriously. He obviously wants to waste time and decides to spend it by making up a church without even Apostolic succession.

[Franze]

Is truth that coptics go to islam for the divorce chapter?

[CopticGirl]

Is truth that coptics go to islam for the divorce chapter?

Maybe someone will know better than I do...but the way I look at it, why would someone leave the whole Christian faith because of divorce alone??? Don't you think they would join another church that isn't as strict?

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see how anyone who truly knew the Coptic Church could ever leave it.

God Bless,
Elizabeth

[minasoliman]

The church’s handling of personal status matters such as divorce is widely seen as the primary cause of conversions to Islam and to Protestant Coptic Evangelical Christianity.



LOL...if that's why people leave, then they don't deserve to be in the faith.

Wasn't there someone in history who broke away from a church to get a divorce?

As to your question, I do hear of stories who as a result of their conversions (especially Islam), the government will help you get a divorce. But if you're within the Coptic Orthodox faith, the priests and bishops are in charge, and obviously we will not relent the faith for something like divorce.

God bless.

[SirTimothy]

Wasn't there someone in history who broke away from a church to get a divorce?

No. In spite the lies spread by both the Protestants and the Catholics, Henry VIII didn't split off from the RCC to get a divorce, he wanted an annullment from an illegal marriage.

Yes, he was a layman who "ordained himself" as bishop.

Bah. So effectively he's a congregationalist with a big title and delusions of grandeur?

Timothy

[Franze]

Maybe someone will know better than I do...but the way I look at it, why would someone leave the whole Christian faith because of divorce alone??? Don't you think they would join another church that isn't as strict?

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see how anyone who truly knew the Coptic Church could ever leave it.

God Bless,
Elizabeth


Here in Spain I can see the egyptian channel and I see the mass of the coptic Church with the Pope of the Copts, I don´t know his name, and it was beautiful seeing an arabic christian mass, it was wonderful.
I am sad for this apostates to islam, because I am not fan of islam, nothing, and this is very hard.

[minasoliman]

No. In spite the lies spread by both the Protestants and the Catholics, Henry VIII didn't split off from the RCC to get a divorce, he wanted an annullment from an illegal marriage.

Oh wow! I had no idea. I know this might be slightly off topic, but since I only know one side of the story (the story that I was taught from high school), I would like to hear the other side.

God bless.

Mina

[feo]

Speaking of divorce...
I know this sounds really unloving and jerk'ish...

But if I was ever married, and my wife cheated on me-- *bam* instant divorce, no questions asked. I mean don't get me wrong, if she was doing drugs... I'd help her in anyway I could without a divorce... if she was acting all crazy, I'd help her through it...

But sleeping with other people?
Thats where I draw the line.

How do divorces work in the Coptic Church?

[CopticGirl]

Speaking of divorce...
I know this sounds really unloving and jerk'ish...

But if I was ever married, and my wife cheated on me-- *bam* instant divorce, no questions asked. I mean don't get me wrong, if she was doing drugs... I'd help her in anyway I could without a divorce... if she was acting all crazy, I'd help her through it...

But sleeping with other people?
Thats where I draw the line.

How do divorces work in the Coptic Church?

So Jeff, if you had children with your wife--say two kids under ten years old, and she cheated on you once and repented and wanted to work through it, your saying there's no way you would? In general, if I was cheated on I don't think I would stay with the person either, but when it actually happens to you (God forbid), I don't think its always that easy. Especially if there are children involved.

There are certain situations in the Coptic Church where they will allow divorce. Being cheated on is one of them. For example, my sister's husband cheated on her and she was able to get a divorce in the Coptic Church.

But divorce in the Coptic Church are few and far between and are really only allowed for a few situations. The Church always encourages the couple to try and work through their problems.

God Bless,
Elizabeth

[SirTimothy]

Elizabeth, that sounds like a sensible attitude to have for a church. Divorce is strongly discouraged, but a few cases are allowed. Personally I think only three things are valid reasons--Child abuse, Spousal abuse and unrepentant marital infidelity.

Oh, and about Henry VIII, I know he didn't have the purest reasons for splitting off from the church, but it was a long time coming, since the Church in the British Isles never really liked being under Rome, having previously been an independent church--the Celtic Orthodox church (which Rome suppresed with it's own rites :(). However, those of us who are interested in history in the AC get a little frustrated when people refer to it as a divorce, since he would never have applied for one, since the RCC NEVER grants divorces. ;)

Timothy