A believer's Faith...

[Droobie]

What is the difference between Abraham's Faith and a Christian's Faith?

[jrmorganjr]

No difference in the method of salvation.

Abraham looked forward to God's grace and mercy based on the promises of God, we look backwards to the expression of that promise in grace and mercy shown through Christ.

Both believe on the promises of God to salvation. Christians know more about the exact methodology in retrospect. But how much more blessed is Abraham for faith and trust without seeing!

[ZiSunka]

This question is a bit confusing, because around here, there are "churches" called, "CHURCH of GOD
of the Abrahamic Faith" which are not orthodoxly Christian. Here is their statement of belief:


HERE IS WHAT WE BELIEVE.

We believe in the one and only living God, Who created heaven and the earth; Whose only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, existing only from his birth, was crucified for our transgressions, buried, and rose the third day for our justification, to sit at the right hand of God our Father.

We believe in the sleep of the dead, the resurrection at Christ's second coming, the transformation of the living, and the judgment of all mankind.

We believe in repentance, baptism by immersion for forgiveness of sin, holy living, the fellowship of Christians and that the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

I'm thinking that the poll isn't asking if this group of "believers" that use the phrase "Abrahamic Faith" can be considered Christians?

[fakemind]

from what i understand, people in the old testament received salvation by faith, just as we do today, but since Christ had not died yet, they were "accreditted" with salvation - meaning they received salvation before Christ died on the cross, but they received salvation because of Christ's death on the cross.

since adam and eve fell and sin entered the world, God knew He would have to eventually send Christ to die on the cross for our sins. the old testament people were saved by faith just as we today are saved by faith. (read hebrews 11, the faith chapter, it lists old testament people. also the phrase "the just shall live by faith" is quoted in the new testament from the old).

the question then is about how old testament people were given salvation before Christ died, while we are given salvation after Christ died - but Christ died for us all, past, present, and future, and for all sins, past, present, and future.

just my understanding...

[heydeerman]

Those from the dispensational view might find a difference but the truth is that the cross is the center of time. While the OT believers looked forward to a Savior and their faith was accounted to them a righteousness. We look back with the same effect. There is absolutly no difference. There is only one way tto heaven and thats threw the Son. For OT and NT believers.

[fakemind]

amen heydeerman. :)

[dmfew6599]

I have no idea. I am totally confused by this question.

[Follower of Christ]

30th June 2002 at 10:34 AM heydeerman said this in Post #5 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=236544#post236544)

Those from the dispensational view might find a difference but the truth is that the cross is the center of time. While the OT believers looked forward to a Savior and their faith was accounted to them a righteousness. We look back with the same effect. There is absolutly no difference. There is only one way tto heaven and thats threw the Son. For OT and NT believers.





That is an interesting point

[Archie the Preacher]

I'm with heydeerman. Abraham had faith that God promised and would keep His word. He knew there would be a Saviour. I have faith that God promised and will keep His word. I know there was (is) a Saviour.

I would also say that God's view of time, from the perspective of eternity, is vastly different from ours.

[Konnie]

None at all.

[mesue]

Abraham was under the law. Chrstians are under grace.

[saint]

Faith is Faith.

Faith in Jesus = Faith in Jesus.

Differences are abut "amount" i.e. size.

It can be built.

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So (father-brother) Abraham's faith was huge,

but faith is faith. Just as doubt is doubt. Of Abraham and of modern Christian.



Btw blessing of Abraham and of Christians is the same too. It is written - "and for your seed"!

[Bic]

Actually I have faith that being a Christian has eternal consequences as well as A Christians Faith makes him righteous. I believe that the two are not interchangable because what is a Christian without faith and Jeus died on the cross to make us righteous.
Blessings, Bic

[The_Saint]

It is generally believed that Jesus was actually Melchizedek, King of Salem. (Genesis 14:18-20) And Abram was blessed by Melchizedek, Priest of the Most High God. Afterwards, Abram gave tithes of all that he had to Melchizedek.

The point being that Jesus was High Priest to God then and now so that nothing has changed with the exception that we are under the Grace Administration; though that is about to change as God wants the Law reinstated. (That's what God told me when I talked to Him.)

[Snowy]

I really don't know :(

[Spurgeon]

I agree with Archie and Heydeerman

[mle]

Abraham had faith in God

Christians have faith in God through Jesus.

[Ponder]

i put nothing and agree but also this is a great point

Abraham had faith in God

Christians have faith in God through Jesus.
Ponder

[ema0941]

I take Abraham's faith as an example of what ours should be like - total trust

[TheMainException]

I have no idea. I am totally confused by this question.
Me too

[Grace_of_God]

I think our faith is very similar to Abraham's. Of course it was a bit different but that was because at the time of Abraham the complete truth wasn't known. He had complete faith and trust in all that was revealed to him though--just as true Christians do.

God bless,
~Grace~

[Moros]

Abraham was under the law.

Old Covenant/New Covenant. Exactly.

[Neal]

We both believe in Jesus Christ, I think, but we believe in Him now that He has already come, Abraham believed that He would come.

[Waterhouse]

Each of us has the same amount of faith... it just depends on how we use it

[ShilohCity]

both is (or at least should be) a faith in the same God.

[big1968dog]

Those from the dispensational view might find a difference but the truth is that the cross is the center of time. While the OT believers looked forward to a Savior and their faith was accounted to them a righteousness. We look back with the same effect. There is absolutly no difference. There is only one way tto heaven and thats threw the Son. For OT and NT believers.


I totally agree

[AvgJoe]

None at all. We have always been saved by faith.

[deetersdee]

Thousands of years?

[MagicSteve]

Nope no difference

[lgintrnj]

No difference. Abraham believed our Lord, and so should a christain. He will keep His promises to us too.

Have a great day in our Lord

[Hisbygrace]

I agree with heydeerman.

[MC1171611]

from what i understand, people in the old testament received salvation by faith, just as we do today, but since Christ had not died yet, they were "accreditted" with salvation - meaning they received salvation before Christ died on the cross, but they received salvation because of Christ's death on the cross.

since adam and eve fell and sin entered the world, God knew He would have to eventually send Christ to die on the cross for our sins. the old testament people were saved by faith just as we today are saved by faith. (read hebrews 11, the faith chapter, it lists old testament people. also the phrase "the just shall live by faith" is quoted in the new testament from the old).

the question then is about how old testament people were given salvation before Christ died, while we are given salvation after Christ died - but Christ died for us all, past, present, and future, and for all sins, past, present, and future.

just my understanding...

The issue is what people had to do to get God's Righteousness. Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Abraham believed that God would give him a son.

Adam and Eve were only not supposed to eat the forbidden fruit; they fell, and God had to kill a lamb (a picture of Christ's future atonement that they had no clue about) to make them a covering: their acceptance was what "saved" them; that was how they got God's righteousness.

The Israelites got God's righteousness by obeying the Law:

24 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Noah got God's Righteousness by his obedience in building the ark to the saving of his house, with fear, the Bible says.

Heb. 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Others have been given God's righteousness different ways: we get it by accepting the finished work of Christ on Calvary.

I know that this is kind of haphazard, but I'm in a bit of a hurry right now. :sorry:

[MC1171611]

We both believe in Jesus Christ, I think, but we believe in Him now that He has already come, Abraham believed that He would come.

Abraham had no clue that there was a Savior coming. He trusted that God would give him a son, y ya. Todo. Nada mas que eso. Later, he believed that God could raise up Isaac from the dead after the sacrifice on Mount Moriah. The Old Testament people had no idea that Jesus was coming: if they did, then why did they crucify him? Isaiah and David had no idea what they were writing when they penned the prophetic passages about the Crucifixion.

[MC1171611]

It is generally believed that Jesus was actually Melchizedek, King of Salem. (Genesis 14:18-20) And Abram was blessed by Melchizedek, Priest of the Most High God. Afterwards, Abram gave tithes of all that he had to Melchizedek.

The point being that Jesus was High Priest to God then and now so that nothing has changed with the exception that we are under the Grace Administration; though that is about to change as God wants the Law reinstated. (That's what God told me when I talked to Him.)

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

First of all, it is not generally accepted that Christ was Melchizedek. Melchizadek was only a picture of Christ. Also, the Law will be re-instated, but only after the Tribulation. After the Trib, Christ will come back to set up His earthly Kingdom; at this tome, He will rule the earth with a rod of iron. The interrupted covenant of the Law will be continued, and for a Thousand years Christ will reign with the Jews as the heads of the nations.

[AngCath]

interesting question. faith in the same God. His was just a couple millenia earlier than ours.

[Stacey]

Not really...

[Witness Of His Love]

None at all

[~A.Pure.Heart~]

What is the difference between Abraham's Faith and a Christian's Faith?Corrosian?

[Oblivious]

Faith is the same, but Jesus is our salvation from sins, not sacrificing a lamb.

[kleptobismol]

yeah abraham didnt know about Jesus. that's it. our faith is different.

[HiredGoon]

Abraham was justified by grace, through faith.

[Rome]

none at all

[4square]

We have the same God as Abraham we should also have the same faith and hope. :thumbsup:

[GodFlute2]

Can I say other?

[Amy47]

interesting

[crusader4peace]

i don't think so.

[Big Mouth Nana]

Our righteousness is of faith in Jesus. Abraham is our Father in the faith that the bible states to consider Abrahams faith.

[Godslilgurlalways]

There is no differeance at least there shouldn't be one we have the same God just as a God was with him just like he is with us;0

[handmaiden97]

I dont think there is a diff

[newyorknewyork]

i have no idea?

[Lake]

Those from the dispensational view might find a difference but the truth is that the cross is the center of time. While the OT believers looked forward to a Savior and their faith was accounted to them a righteousness. We look back with the same effect. There is absolutly no difference. There is only one way tto heaven and thats threw the Son. For OT and NT believers.

ditto:thumbsup:

[runner_4_jc]

Not Sure, need help understanding this poll...

[runner_4_jc]

Not Sure, need help understanding this poll...
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[gal4God]

Abrahams Faith accounted him righteous. A Christians Faith makes him righteous

[TheKingsKid]

I don't believe there should be any difference.
I do however believe that Abraham's faith and obedience was greater than that of modern day christians.

Examples:
Genesis 12
1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. 4So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

Genesis 22
2And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
3And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.

I don't know many modern day christians who would have complied with either of these examples.
Just an opinion though

[firestar]

We have the addition of grace through Christ

[lyonguard]

The 3rd option says it all.

[krys4ever]

none at all.