Sanctuary

[Annabel Lee]

Give me sanctuary.

"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"

[Matrona]

:hug:

[sin_vladimirov]

:thumbsup::crosseo:.

[Monica, child of God]

I think you might be looking for this. But until you find it you have my prayers...

(in the Orthodox Church the altar area where Christ comes to us in the consecrated Gifts is called the sanctuary...)

Monica

[Annabel Lee]

I haven't read this book in years but did see the movie version again awhile back. Not the Disney version (Is Disney taking over the world?) but the 1939 version with Charles Laughton and Maureen O'Hara.

From the book..
Esmeralda lay limp between Quasimodo's hands like a piece of white cloth, but he held her with such care he appeared to be afraid she might break or whither like a flower. Then, all at once, he would hug her to his bony chest as if she were his, the only thing he had in the world, his treasure. At this sight the whole crowd stamped with enthusiasm, for at that moment Quasimodo actually had a beauty of his own. Quasimodo, the orphan, the foundling, the outcast, had the appearence of noble grandeur. From the top of the tower which housed the great bell he seemed to show the girl triumphantly to the whole city and his thunderous voice roared savagedly up at the sky,
"Sanctuary! Sanctuary! Sanctuary!"

- The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Victor Hugo

Sanctuary
1 : a consecrated place: as a : the ancient Hebrew temple at Jerusalem or its holy of holies b (1) : the most sacred part of a religious building (as the part of a Christian church in which the altar is placed) (2) : the room in which general worship services are held (3) : a place (as a church or a temple) for worship
2 a (1) : a place of refuge and protection (2) : a refuge for wildlife where predators are controlled and hunting is illegal b : the immunity from law attached to a sanctuary

I'm torn between what type of sanctuary I seek. Both definition 1 and 2 can sometimes merge.

[Alexis OCA]

Give me sanctuary.

"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"

My sanctuary is your sanctuary..no questions asked. Refreshment provided.

[Marjorie]

I have read that book; it's almost as good as Les Misérables. The part where Esmeralda takes refuge in Notre Dame is heartbreaking... her praying before the Blessed Virgin because she has nowhere else to go... there is a musical version of the book with a beautiful song called "Ave Maira Païen" ("Pagan Ave Maria"): "Ave Maria, pardonne-moi, si devant toi je me tiens debout, Ave Maria! Moi qui ne sais pas me mettre à genoux..." ("Ave Maria, forgive me if I am standing up before you, Ave Maria! I who do not know how to go on my knees...") It's really beautiful and sad...

Anyway we are all praying for you and if you do not find sanctuary with us then at least I hope you will stay with us for a while and find with us some comfort. Christ will guide you. :crosseo:

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[Photini]

:hug: :crosseo:

[xenia]

Hi Annabel. Come on in and have some ouzo and baklava and have a rest.

[Maximus]

Give me sanctuary.

"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"

You're welcome here, but bring the rest of your Animals record collection with you.

I love those old tunes!

[sin_vladimirov]

Hi Annabel. Come on in and have some ouzo and baklava and have a rest.

I make the best baklava in the world. This is not a joke either...

Last time, couple of people ate their fingers whilst eating how good it was:D

[Maximus]

On second thought, I think I'll edit those lyrics out!

I guess I never listened to It's My Life closely enough!

:blush:

[Oblio]

Maximus,

Did you catch Eric on the last PBS fund drive ?

[Maximus]

Maximus,

Did you catch Eric on the last PBS fund drive ?

No, but I'm sorry I missed him.

I used to really like the Animals.

[Xpycoctomos]

I'm torn between what type of sanctuary I seek. Both definition 1 and 2 can sometimes merge.



As I was reading the two definitions, and before I read that, I was thinking to myself how they do indeed merge. The tricky part for us is realizing it and experiencing. I guess that's where prayer and humilty comes in. :sigh:

What a peaceful thread Annabel. Thank you.

John

[Annabel Lee]

Thank you so much for understanding what I was trying to say.
You have no idea how grateful I am for all the responses.

I was so worried that this little impulse post would fall flat on it's face.
In any other forum on CF, it probably would have.

[Annabel Lee]

I make the best baklava in the world. This is not a joke either...

Last time, couple of people ate their fingers whilst eating how good it was:D

There is a restaurant named 'The Mad Greek' in Baker, California that we never fail to stop in when driving home from Nevada.
They have delicious baklava (and chocolate milkshakes!)

[Oblio]

There is a restaurant named 'The Mad Greek' in Baker, California that we never fail to stop in when driving home from Nevada.
They have delicious baklava (and chocolate milkshakes!)

:yum:

I love the Mad Greek, though it has been 15 years since I have been there. It was a mandatory stop on our Lancaster to Vegas runs for work.

Have you been to the one in (IIRC) Orange ?

[MariaRegina]

Dear Annabel:

Are you going to make the rounds of the Greek Festivals here in California?

Good Greek food ... Fantastic Balkava ... Great Greek Dancing .... and lots of fun.

[Annabel Lee]

:yum:

I love the Mad Greek, though it has been 15 years since I have been there. It was a mandatory stop on our Lancaster to Vegas runs for work.

Have you been to the one in (IIRC) Orange ?

No I haven't been to the one in Orange.
Isn't The Mad Greek the perfect spot to take a break from driving? It's always so busy and friendly and the food...to die for!

[Annabel Lee]

Dear Annabel:

Are you going to make the rounds of the Greek Festivals here in California?

Good Greek food ... Fantastic Balkava ... Great Greek Dancing .... and lots of fun.

I know they have one not far from my house in August? Sounds like fun! :)

Okay...what does "Opa!" mean?

Been wondering ever since I saw "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"

[Oblio]

I think it is the same as what 'Toga !' means in Animal House :)

[Oblio]

The Mad Greek (and fuel) is the only reason to stop in Baker.

Man, I miss that place :(

[jsgnpdx]

The Mad Greek (and fuel) is the only reason to stop in Baker.

Man, I miss that place :(

Slightly off topic but this reminded me of a restraunt that was an absolute "must stop" on the way to the monastery in Platina, Ca. It was called "A little piece of heaven." I believe it was owned by Evangelical Protestants but they had Christmas 365 days a year...AND the absolute largest cinnamon roles that exist on the Earth...It takes at least four or five people to eat ONE of them....If I lived ANYWHERE near that place I would be a walking cinnamon role! ROFL:yum:

I'm not worthy I'm not worthy:bow: ,

the sinner,
Joseph

[Annabel Lee]

The Mad Greek (and fuel) is the only reason to stop in Baker.

Man, I miss that place :(

It's a desolate town, though in the last few years they've added a Dennys (I think?) and a couple of fast food places.
There's a hotel there called the Hawaiian Breezes, or something along those lines. Such a strange name for a hotel in the middle of the desert.

[Annabel Lee]

Slightly off topic but this reminded me of a restraunt that was an absolute "must stop" on the way to the monastery in Platina, Ca. It was called "A little piece of heaven." I believe it was owned by Evangelical Protestants but they had Christmas 365 days a year...AND the absolute largest cinnamon roles that exist on the Earth...It takes at least four or five people to eat ONE of them....If I lived ANYWHERE near that place I would be a walking cinnamon role! ROFL:yum:

I'm not worthy I'm not worthy:bow: ,

the sinner,
Joseph

Here's the plan.
First stop, The Mad Greek, for gyros and salad..then off to A Little Piece of Heaven for cinnamon rolls. :thumbsup:

[RobNJ]

It's a desolate town, though in the last few years they've added a Dennys (I think?) and a couple of fast food places.
There's a hotel there called the Hawaiian Breezes, or something along those lines. Such a strange name for a hotel in the middle of the desert.

Well, if they called it the desert sandstorm, who'd want to go there? ;)
It's like south of me... the call the swamps "The Meadowlands"

[Annabel Lee]

I have read that book; it's almost as good as Les Misérables. The part where Esmeralda takes refuge in Notre Dame is heartbreaking... her praying before the Blessed Virgin because she has nowhere else to go... there is a musical version of the book with a beautiful song called "Ave Maira Païen" ("Pagan Ave Maria"): "Ave Maria, pardonne-moi, si devant toi je me tiens debout, Ave Maria! Moi qui ne sais pas me mettre à genoux..." ("Ave Maria, forgive me if I am standing up before you, Ave Maria! I who do not know how to go on my knees...") It's really beautiful and sad...

Anyway we are all praying for you and if you do not find sanctuary with us then at least I hope you will stay with us for a while and find with us some comfort. Christ will guide you. :crosseo:

In IC XC,
Marjorie

You inspired me to look for the words to "Ave Maria Paien". Babblefish gave a confused translation, but the meaning was clear.
Thank you.

Ave Maria
Pardonne-moi
Si devant toi
Je me tiens debout
Ave Maria
moi qui ne sais pas me mettre à genoux
Ave Maria
Protège-moi
De la misère, du mal et des fous
Qui règnent sur la terre
Ave Maria
Des étrangers il en vient de partout
Ave Maria
Ecoute-moi
Fais tomber les barrières entre nous
Qui sommes tous des frères
Ave Maria
Veille sur mes jours et sue mes nuits
Ave Maria
Protège-moi
Veille sur mon amour et ma vie
Ave Maria

[Eusebios]

Anabel,
Of course you are welcome to find sanctuary here at TAW. Your questions are most sincere and thought provoking and we enjoy having you around! :)
His unworthy servant (whos getting hungry with all this talk about food)
Eusebios.
:bow:

[Annabel Lee]

Thank you, Eusebios. :)

[elizabethevangeline]

it's almost as good as Les Misérables.

I was listening to my Les Miserables 10th anniversary concert cd yesterday. I turn into an absolute puddle. The music/lyrics alone makes me weep. I should read the book.

Annabel, it's good to have you here. You're not the warrior woman I asssumed :) I'm referring to your fierce klingon...silly aren't I?. But then my name is elizabethevangeline...to 1st impressions could look indecisive and longwinded!

[MariaRegina]

Anabel,
Of course you are welcome to find sanctuary here at TAW. Your questions are most sincere and thought provoking and we enjoy having you around! :)
His unworthy servant (whos getting hungry with all this talk about food)
Eusebios.
:bow:

Dear Eusebios:

It's really hard to read your messages. I have to use the quote button to see what you've said.

What are your favorite restaurants?

[CaDan]

Sanctuary? With baklava?

Tasty!

[Annabel Lee]

I was listening to my Les Miserables 10th anniversary concert cd yesterday. I turn into an absolute puddle. The music/lyrics alone makes me weep. I should read the book.

Annabel, it's good to have you here. You're not the warrior woman I asssumed :) I'm referring to your fierce klingon...silly aren't I?. But then my name is elizabethevangeline...to 1st impressions could look indecisive and longwinded!

Hello Elizabeth!
The Klingon avatar (K'Ehleyr is a Klingon/Human hybrid) started as a joke for a friend on CF. Thought I would keep it for a day or two to amuse him.

Three years later, she's still there. I've grown quite attached to her.

K'Ehleyr is the only Klingon I've noticed that had a real sense of humor.

Oh gosh, It's offical....I'm a Star Trek geek.

[CaDan]

Anabel,
Of course you are welcome to find sanctuary here at TAW. Your questions are most sincere and thought provoking and we enjoy having you around! :)
His unworthy servant (whos getting hungry with all this talk about food)
Eusebios.
:bow:

I thought I'd bring over a little ice cream from Liberal Theology . . . .

http://www.friendlys.com/treats/menu/images/bananasplit.gif

http://www.dpsu.com/AWMug.jpg

[Xpycoctomos]

mmmm...

[Matrona]

Hello Elizabeth!
The Klingon avatar (K'Ehleyr is a Klingon/Human hybrid) started as a joke for a friend on CF. Thought I would keep it for a day or two to amuse him.

Three years later, she's still there. I've grown quite attached to her.

K'Ehleyr is the only Klingon I've noticed that had a real sense of humor.

Last summer was the first time I saw that episode, and the scene that picture is from.

I stood up out of my chair and wondered, where I had seen it before?

Then, "THAT'S ANNABEL LEE'S AVATAR! OH MY GOSH!"

^_^

Oh gosh, It's offical....I'm a Star Trek geek.

You're not the only one :blush:

[Annabel Lee]

Last summer was the first time I saw that episode, and the scene that picture is from.

I stood up out of my chair and wondered, where I had seen it before?

Then, "THAT'S ANNABEL LEE'S AVATAR! OH MY GOSH!"

^_^



You're not the only one :blush:

"Say it loud!
I'm a Star Trek geek and PROUD!!! :D

[xenia]

You're not the only one :blush:

Me too! http://www.calvaryhs.com/smilies/vulcan.gif

[elizabethevangeline]

Oh gosh, It's offical....I'm a Star Trek geek.

When my mother was ready to go to the hospital to deliver me...she had to stand in front of the tv to get my dad's attention. He was watching Star Trek.

When I started having regular and intense contractions with my 2nd born...I was in the middle of a Star Trek episode. Luckily, the contractions eased off by the end of the show and I went to bed! We headed for the hospital about 3am, he was born the next morning! :D

[MariaRegina]

I'm a Back to the Future and Star Wars fan.

I'd just love to have one of those scate boards on a slightly bigger scale that could transport me around the campus, especially when I'm running late. I guess we won't have to worry about that in heaven.

I've heard that we can go through doors if heaven has any. My, my what things I was told in Catholic schools. Does heaven have doors, and can we fly around in heaven? Yes, the dear nuns told us.

[Matrona]

I've heard that we can go through doors if heaven has any. My, my what things I was told in Catholic schools. Does heaven have doors, and can we fly around in heaven? Yes, the dear nuns told us.

Probably because they couldn't just tell you to go outside and play instead of asking all those questions. :P :D

[MariaRegina]

Probably because they couldn't just tell you to go outside and play instead of asking all those questions. :P :D
:scratch:

[Matrona]

:scratch:
That was a joke.

[Annabel Lee]

Me too! http://www.calvaryhs.com/smilies/vulcan.gif

Become one with the Borg...Resistance is futile. :cool:

[Matrona]

Become one with the Borg...Resistance is futile. :cool:

I remember seeing The Best of Both Worlds when I was about eight or nine.

I had to check my closet for Borg before going to sleep. :)

[MariaRegina]

I remember seeing The Best of Both Worlds when I was about eight or nine.

I had to check my closet for Borg before going to sleep. :)

My sister would check under her bed ....

[sin_vladimirov]

Star Wars by far.
Star Trek also...




and Star Gate:blush:

[prodromos]

My sister would check under her bed ....
Calvin: Are there any monsters under my bed?

Monster1: Nope!
Monster2: No!
Monster3: None at all!

Calvin: Well I'd hate for there to be any 'cause I'd have to use my flame thrower on them!

Hobbes: But we don't have a flame thrower.

Calvin: They lie, I lie!
:D

[Kolya]

Calvin: Are there any monsters under my bed?

Monster1: Nope!
Monster2: No!
Monster3: None at all!

Calvin: Well I'd hate for there to be any 'cause I'd have to use my flame thrower on them!

Hobbes: But we don't have a flame thrower.

Calvin: They lie, I lie!

:D :thumbsup: :D

[MariaRegina]

Calvin: Are there any monsters under my bed?

Monster1: Nope!
Monster2: No!
Monster3: None at all!

Calvin: Well I'd hate for there to be any 'cause I'd have to use my flame thrower on them!

Hobbes: But we don't have a flame thrower.

Calvin: They lie, I lie!
:D

Thanks! :D

[Mary of Bethany]

I miss Calvin & Hobbes! That was my very favorite comic. Why did he have to stop so soon. :sigh:

[Marjorie]

You inspired me to look for the words to "Ave Maria Paien". Babblefish gave a confused translation, but the meaning was clear.
Thank you.

Ave Maria
Pardonne-moi
Si devant toi
Je me tiens debout
Ave Maria
moi qui ne sais pas me mettre à genoux
Ave Maria
Protège-moi
De la misère, du mal et des fous
Qui règnent sur la terre
Ave Maria
Des étrangers il en vient de partout
Ave Maria
Ecoute-moi
Fais tomber les barrières entre nous
Qui sommes tous des frères
Ave Maria
Veille sur mes jours et sue mes nuits
Ave Maria
Protège-moi
Veille sur mon amour et ma vie
Ave Maria

Here is my translation, perhaps it will be better than Babelfish's :):

Ave Maria
Forgive me
If before you
I am standing up
Ave Maria
I who do not know how to go on my knees
Ave Maria
Protect me
From misery, from evil and from fools
Who rule the earth
Ave Maria
Strangers come to everywhere*
Ave Maria
Hear me
Make to fall the barriers between us
Who are all brothers
Ave Maria
Watch over my days and nights
Ave Maria
Protect me
Watch over my love and my life
Ave Maria

* This line was hard for me to translate and is probably wrong; I think there is an expression there that I don't know.

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[Annabel Lee]

Thank you, Marjorie! :)

[Annabel Lee]

Went to Divine Liturgy today with 11 year old daughter. It was my second time, her first.
Went very well, she followed along and asked a lot questions afterwards and we agreed we would go back again.

I was worried about the incense since she usually gets headaches from being exposed to it but besides a little eye soreness, she was fine.
I wonder if it's a different type of incense from the Catholic Church?

(I searched for my "I went to Divine Liturgy" thread but could only fine this one)
Though it does seem to fit.
Sanctuary

[Akathist]

Here is the link to your original post:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2035831

[Annabel Lee]

Here is the link to your original post:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2035831

Thank you, Thornygrace!

I'll save that thread for my third visit to the Divine Liturgy. :)

[Happy Orthodox]

I've always liked the impression on the face of the lady in your avatar, Anabel. Sorry, not really familiar with Star Treck, even though my step dad is a big fan of it, and even though I think this is (one of) the most decent Sci-Fi serieses ever made.

[Matrona]

I've always liked the impression on the face of the lady in your avatar, Anabel. Sorry, not really familiar with Star Treck, even though my step dad is a big fan of it, and even though I think this is (one of) the most decent Sci-Fi serieses ever made.
That is K'Ehleyr, the half-human, half-Klingon Federation ambassador. :)

Matrona, the closet TNG/DS9 fan :)

[Cappadocian]

Give me sanctuary.

"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
How is it that you have such an enormous avatar? Does that come with such a high post count? I'm jealous@!:blush:

[Lotar]

She's been here from the beginning of time, back when ginormous avatars were allowed, and hasn't ever changed it. :)

[Xpycoctomos]

really? I thought maybe NOW bigger Avatars were allowed since the dolls now take up more space leaving more room for the Avatar. No? :(

John

[Matrona]

really? I thought maybe NOW bigger Avatars were allowed since the dolls now take up more space leaving more room for the Avatar. No? :(

John
Nope.

I wish we could have bigger avatars, though. I'd love to have a higher resolution picture of Lionel Hutz. :D

[Annabel Lee]

That is K'Ehleyr, the half-human, half-Klingon Federation ambassador. :)

Matrona, the closet TNG/DS9 fan :)

Say it loud, you're a Trekky and proud! :clap:

[Annabel Lee]

She's been here from the beginning of time, back when ginormous avatars were allowed, and hasn't ever changed it. :)

That's it. That's the only reason I'm allowed to have such a large avatar.
Of course that means I can never change it. K'Ehleyr loses some of her charm when shrunk. ;)

[HolySpirit]

Give me sanctuary.

"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"

Water Foot Prints From Peter



A presence suspended above the sea

Majestic in grace and tranquil in spirit

The master beckons the faith in me

Radiating confidence penetrates me with zeal and merit



Violent waves lurch up

Robbing my strength to go on

The world my poor crutch

Patiently the teacher ascends

Then transcends

As my fear ends



Windy black storm

Frothing howls echo

Like banshees

This spin of lost direction

Yet the Master calmly asserts

Peace

Calm returns

[Matrona]

Say it loud, you're a Trekky and proud! :clap:

I am proud to be a Trekkie, but I don't know if I've truly earned the right to call myself one--I've never seen any episodes of TOS, Voyager, or Enterprise because I can't seem to locate them in syndication. But I've read a lot about them on the internet so I am getting by for now.

I put in an armory request that I thought you might like: http://www.christianforums.com/t2172516-klingon-dolls.html

[Annabel Lee]

"And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night."

Last three lines of Mathew Arnold's "Dover Beach"

Does it ever feel like we are surrounded by ignorant, holier-than-thou armies, just drooling at the opportunity to point out your flaws as a Christian?

Just a random thought. :wave:

[Akathist]

Having my flaws as a Christian pointed out is painful.
Sometimes that which is painful is that which is good for my soul.
My pride hurts, but my humility shines better for it.

[Annabel Lee]

It's a whole other matter when the flaws are pointed out by those whose theology I disagree with.

I disagree with Calvinists and I'll be damned if I'll humbly let them point out my flaws.

I try to avoid them like the plague but they are always stalking and sniffing around for victims in GA.

God only knows how many non-Christians who were considering Christianity, they've pushed away with their doctrine of Hell.
Either they are clueless or they just don't care about the damage that they do.

Now, I'm simply venting.

[Lotar]

According to what they believe, nothing they say or do will have any effect either way.

[Akathist]

Yes, in thier world view,they are not causing any damage.

However, I agree about righteous anger at someone becoming a stumbling block to others seeking information about Christianity. I get that way here at TAW when I think some thread of thought is likely to turn people away from Orthodoxy.

I don't have the ability to withstand the slings and arrows of discontent that are flug around in GA. I know my limitations and lurk at best.

[Xpycoctomos]

"And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night."

Last three lines of Mathew Arnold's "Dover Beach"

Does it ever feel like we are surrounded by ignorant, holier-than-thou armies, just drooling at the opportunity to point out your flaws as a Christian?

Just a random thought. :wave:

eh-HEM. I believe that MatThew is spelled with two t's. Do you even read the Bible? C'mon! And you call yourself a Christian????

[Akathist]

John, do you not know that the ancient canon of the Council of Lansing ruled that the correct spelling of the first gospel of of the New Testament is to be spelled with only ONE (1) "t" on fast days?

What is wrong with you!

[Annabel Lee]

eh-HEM. I believe that MatThew is spelled with two t's. Do you even read the Bible? C'mon! And you call yourself a Christian????

Well I'll be damned (literally)...you're right! :D

[Annabel Lee]

John, do you not know that the ancient canon of the Council of Lansing ruled that the correct spelling of the first gospel of of the New Testament is to be spelled with only ONE (1) "t" on fast days?

What is wrong with you!

Yeah John, what's wrong with you?!

[MariaRegina]

It's a whole other matter when the flaws are pointed out by those whose theology I disagree with.

I disagree with Calvinists and I'll be damned if I'll humbly let them point out my flaws.

I try to avoid them like the plague but they are always stalking and sniffing around for victims in GA.

God only knows how many non-Christians who were considering Christianity, they've pushed away with their doctrine of Hell.
Either they are clueless or they just don't care about the damage that they do.

Now, I'm simply venting.

Hi Annabel, Glad to see you're back.

Whatcha been doing lately?

[Annabel Lee]

Hi Annabel, Glad to see you're back.

Whatcha been doing lately?:)

Doing well, everyone is healthy and happy.

I read TAW more than I post, but I'm still around (just quiet)

Went twice to an EO Church, hopefully will make it again next week. That's the PLAN at least.

[Akathist]

:)

Doing well, everyone is healthy and happy.

I read TAW more than I post, but I'm still around (just quiet)

Went twice to an EO Church, hopefully will make it again next week. That's the PLAN at least.

What did you think of visiting an EO church?

[Annabel Lee]

What did you think of visiting an EO church?

The first time I went alone and was very nervous. My goal was to blend in, so I chose a very active church.
The second time was easier because I had my 11 year old with me and I knew where the church was and which door to walk in.
(knowing which door leads to the church is VERY important! lol)

I loved it, even though I didn't always know what was going on. But I could certainly see the similiarites with the Catholic Church. It was like listening to a much loved song but in a different language.
The words may have been foreign but the melody was the same.
(It was an Antiochian church so I don't actually mean the WORDS were in another language, I'm just making a very bad anology :))

In closing...I loved it and I felt God's presence at the Divine Liturgy.
(So did my daughter)

[MariaRegina]

The first time I went alone and was very nervous. My goal was to blend in, so I chose a very active church.
The second time was easier because I had my 11 year old with me and I knew where the church was and which door to walk in.
(knowing which door leads to the church is VERY important! lol)

I loved it, even though I didn't always know what was going on. But I could certainly see the similiarites with the Catholic Church. It was like listening to a much loved song but in a different language.
The words may have been foreign but the melody was the same.
(It was an Antiochian church so I don't actually mean the WORDS were in another language, I'm just making a very bad anology :))

In closing...I loved it and I felt God's presence at the Divine Liturgy.
(So did my daughter)

I think the reverential attitude says it all.

:groupray:

[Annabel Lee]

I think the reverential attitude says it all.

:groupray:

:)

Here is a link to the church

http://www.stmichaelvannuys.org/index.html

[MariaRegina]

:)

Here is a link to the church

http://www.stmichaelvannuys.org/index.html


Small world.

I drive past that church on the way to the OCA Church nearby.

[Annabel Lee]

Small world.

I drive past that church on the way to the OCA Church nearby.

Is there an OCA church up that way?
I did try to go to an OCA church up in Oxnard, got lost and barely found the place.
It was very small and hard to find. I could hear the singing and went to open the door but it creaked....so I chickened out, listened to the music for a while then drove to Mass..LOL

[MariaRegina]

Is there an OCA church up that way?
I did try to go to an OCA church up in Oxnard, got lost and barely found the place.
It was very small and hard to find. I could hear the singing and went to open the door but it creaked....so I chickened out, listened to the music for a while then drove to Mass..LOL

Father Paul at St. Herman's in Oxnard is reknown as a very devout Priest and spiritual father. If you can go there, you are blessed.

His matuscha is also wonderful and a real helpmate.

Yes, it's a small parish, but it's a diamond of a find.

[Annabel Lee]

Yes..It was Saint Herman's! :)
Maybe I'll have to try Saint Herman's again.

While Saint Micheal's is further from my home, it's just so much easier to find. Hop on the freeway and you're practically there.

I always get lost in Oxnard, it never fails.

[MariaRegina]

Yes..It was Saint Herman's! :)
Maybe I'll have to try Saint Herman's again.

While Saint Micheal's is further from my home, it's just so much easier to find. Hop on the freeway and you're practically there.

I always get lost in Oxnard, it never fails.

Have you corresponded with Father Paul? He will give you instructions there.

I'll pm you his email address.

He's a great confessor.

[Annabel Lee]

Have you corresponded with Father Paul? He will give you instructions there.

I'll pm you his email address.

He's a great confessor.

No I haven't, but last Sunday I did try finding the church again, with no luck.
Now before anyone says.."What an idiot!" :) There is a LOT of road work being done up that way. I followed directions exactly and found myself being guided to a 101 detour.
What's worse is the sign on the freeway for my exit (which I had missed last time) had been taken down, again due to road work, and replaced with a tiny little sign.
But last Sunday, I managed to see the sign, cross three lanes of traffic in 3.2 seconds and exit.
All for nothing, since some of the side streets were being worked on and my map was useless.

But I did find an active growing Greek Orthodox Church nearby. I don't know why I had forgotten this one since I had driven to it years ago attempting to visit. It wasn't a Sunday but possibly a weekday holy day service..not sure.

But I saw no cars in the parking lot and was too afraid to enter. For all I know there was a parking lot behind the church which I didn't see.

I may visit this Greek Orthodox Church sometime this month.

Have you ever had the feeling that your life was an unending surreal situation comedy? :)

[MariaRegina]

I wish you would email Father Paul, as he is a living saint.

He's so humble and so is his sweet wife.

If you have misplaced his email address, I will send it to you again.


This was his email to me:

Elizabeth,

Thank you. Please give the lady my cell phone Number, and
yes, you may give her my e-mail.

Father Paul

[Oblio]

No I haven't, but last Sunday I did try finding the church again, with no luck.

Someone sure doesn't want you to get to an Orthodox church.
I wonder who it could be ?

Keep persevering

[Annabel Lee]

I wish you would email Father Paul, as he is a living saint.

He's so humble and so is his sweet wife.

If you have misplaced his email address, I will send it to you again.


This was his email to me:

Oh no, I still have his phone number and email address, and still plan on emailing him. Thank you,btw. :)
Last Sunday was a spur of the moment decision. I was getting ready for Mass and instead driving to my church I made a right turn and got on the freeway.

[Annabel Lee]

[/size][/color][/font][i]Someone sure doesn't want you to get to an Orthodox church.
I wonder who it could be ?

Keep persevering

That was my exact thought upon realizing I wasn't going to find the church...again!

[Annabel Lee]

"The long and winding road
That leads to your door
Will never disappear
I've seen that road before
It always leads me here
leads me to your door.

The wild and windy night
That the rain washed away
Has left a pool of tears
Crying for the day.
Why leave me standing here?
Let me know the way.

Many times I've been alone
And many times I've cried,
Anyway you'll never know
The many ways I've tried.

But still they lead me back
To the long, winding road
You left me standing here
A long, long time ago
Don't leave me waiting here
Lead me to your door."

--The Beatles


{I dislike starting new threads}

[kamikat]

I see you've lost your ridges. Any updates on the church scene?
The last post in this thread was a long time ago. There must be a reason you revived it.

kamikat

[Annabel Lee]

I see you've lost your ridges. Any updates on the church scene?
The last post in this thread was a long time ago. There must be a reason you revived it.

kamikat

Never had ridges, I took off my headband and put on a hat though. :)

No reason, whenever I hear a poem or song that I need to post, I find an old thread in TAW.

Still looking and reading.

[kamikat]

I guess I just pictured your avatar photo. Now I can't remember the headband.

kamikat

[Annabel Lee]

I keep giving my bat'leth's away. Maybe that's what looks different.
A Klingon with a bouquet of roses....:scratch: :)

Well anyway, the song was all I wanted to say right now.

Updates later on, probably during the summer.

[Marxist]

Walk into splintered sunlight
Inch your way through dead dreams
to another land
Maybe you're tired and broken
Your tongue is twisted
with words half spoken
and thoughts unclear
What do you want me to do
to do for you to see you through
a box of rain will ease the pain
and love will see you through

-From "A Box of Rain"
The Grateful Dead

[Matrona]

I finally found Ave Maria Paien in English:

Ave Maria,
Please pardon me
If in your house
I have come stealing...
Ave Maria,
No one ever taught me,
About kneeling...
Ave Maria,
Please will you keep me
From the misery, madness
and fools
Who rule this evil world ?
Ave Maria,
I'm a stranger and you are
My last recourse...
Ave Maria,
Please can't you hear me
Please take down all these
Walls between us
We all should be as one...
Ave Maria,
Please watch over my life
Night and day...
Ave Maria,
Oh! Please protect me
Please guard me and my
Love now I pray...
Ave Maria.

[Xpycoctomos]

This is a very deep song that will challenge anything by Bob Dylan, Zepplin or Grateful Dead. (Disclaimer at the bottom)
------------------
Woke up in the morning
Put on my new plastic glove
Served some reheated salisbury steak
With a little slice of love
Got no clue what the chicken pot pie is made of
Just know everything's doing fine
Down here in Lunchlady Land

Well I wear this net on my head
'Cause my red hair is fallin' out
I wear these brown orthopedic shoes
'Cause I got a bad case of the gout
I know you want seconds on the corndogs
But there's no reason to shout
Everybody gets enough food
Down here in Lunchlady Land

Well yesterday's meatloaf is today's sloppy joes
And my breath reeks of tuna
And there's lots of black hairs coming out of my nose
In Lunchlady Land your dreams come true
Clouds made of carrots and peas
Mountains built of shepherds pie
And rivers made of macaroni and cheese
But don't forget to return your trays
And try to ignore my gum disease
No student can escape the magic of Lunchlady Land

Hoagies & grinders, hoagies & grinders
Hoagies & grinders, hoagies & grinders
Navy beans, navy beans, navy beans
Hoagies & grinders, hoagies & grinders
Navy beans, navy beans
Meatloaf sandwich
sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe
sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe
sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe
sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe

Well I dreamt one morning
That I woke up to see
All the pepperoni pizza
Was a-looking at me
It screamed, why do you burn me
And serve me up cold
I said I got the spatula
Just do what you're told
Then the liver & onions
Started joining the fight
And the chocolate pudding
Pushed me with all its might
And the chop suey slapped me
And it kicked me in the head
It's called revenge Lunchlady
Said the garlic bread
I said what did I do
To make you all so mad
They said you got flabby arms
And your breath is bad
Then the green beans said
You better run and hide
But then my friend sloppy joe came
And joined my side
He said if it wasn't for the Lunchlady
The kids wouldn't eatcha
You should be shakin' her hand
And sayin' please to meet ya
She gives you a purpose
And she gives you a goal
You should be kissin' her feet
And kissin' her mole
Now all the angry foods
Just leave me alone
And we all live together
In a happy home

Thanks to
sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe
sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe
sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe
sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe

[Spoken]
Well me & sloppy joe got married
We got six kids and we're doing' just fine
down in Lunchlady Land

---------------------
Disclaimer... I love this song because it makes me laugh outloud every time, just thinking about it!

I have NOTHING against Lunch Ladies even if one WERE like this (I have never known one). It's just such a ridiculous song (especially when you listen to Adam Sandler do it) that it makes my gut hurt becauseI laugh so hard.

[kamikat]

Paradise waits, on the crest of a wave, her angels in flames.
She has no pain, like a child she is pure, she is not to blame.
Poised for flight, wings spread bright, spring from night into the sun.
Don't stop to run, she can fly like a lie, she can't be outdone.

Tell me the cost; I can pay, let me go, tell me love is not lost.
Sell everything; without love day to day insanity's king.
I will pay day by day, anyway, lock, bolt and key.
Crippled but free, I was blind all the time I was learning to see.

Help on the way, well, I know only this, I've got you today.
Don't fly away, cause I love what I love and I want it that way.
I will stay one more day, like I say, honey it's you.
Making it too, without love in a dream it will never come true.

Help on the Way-Grateful Dead

[Annabel Lee]

"When I find myself fading, I close my eyes and realize my friends are my energy."
-Anonymous

[ClementofRome]

Kamikat, I should have figured you were a Deadhead by your subtitle! Now I know for sure!

Aiko-Aiko,
Clement

[kamikat]

Hey, Clem, I'm second generation DeadHead. I was 20 minute ambulance ride from being born at a Dead show.

kamikat

[Xpycoctomos]

Annabel, I am sure taht thank you for me as I am sure the song gave you a lot to ponder on in these coming months. It's a lot to take in... I know... but just give it time. This song has taught me a lot about life.
































I hope you have realized that I am full of it and I DO realize that ;)

[Annabel Lee]

Annabel, I am sure taht thank you for me as I am sure the song gave you a lot to ponder on in these coming months. It's a lot to take in... I know... but just give it time. This song has taught me a lot about life.
































I hope you have realized that I am full of it and I DO realize that ;)

The state of emptiness and nirvana. :holy:

:P

[Annabel Lee]

"Be who you are and say what you feel because people who mind ~ don't matter,and people who matter ~ don't mind."

~ Dr. Seuss

[Annabel Lee]

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind

I think I can make it now, the pain is gone
All of the bad feelings have disappeared
Here is the rainbow I've been praying for

Look all around, there's nothing but blue skies
Look straight ahead, nothing but blue skies

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind.

--I Can See Clearly Now

[Oblio]

I like to sing this with the rain replaced with my brain :D

[/collegeflashbacks]

[Annabel Lee]

I like to sing this with the rain replaced with my brain :D

[/collegeflashbacks]

I think we are of the same generation! ;)

[Annabel Lee]

As the walls are closing in
And the colors fade to black
And my eyes are falling fast and deep into me
And I follow the tracks that lead me down
And I never follow what's right
And they wonder sometimes when they see all the
Sadness and pain the truth begins to light

If I cried me a river of all my confessions
Would I drown in my shallow regret
As the walls are closing in
And the colors fade to black
And the night is falling fast and deep into the sea
And in the darkness all that I can see
The frightened and the weak
Are forced to cling to mistakes they know nothing of
At mercy are the meek.

--Black

[Annabel Lee]

Sorry, no song lyrics this time.

But I do have a question. Do the Eastern Orthodox have spiritual retreat centers?

[Greg the byzantine]

Sorry, no song lyrics this time.

But I do have a question. Do the Eastern Orthodox have spiritual retreat centers?
Yes. I don't know of too many but I know that Antiochian Village holds retreats:
http://www.antiochianvillage.org/

[Annabel Lee]

Thanks Greg.

That's a little too far for me to travel though.

[Greg the byzantine]

Thanks Greg.

That's a little too far for me to travel though.
Maybe Aria, knows some on the West Coast.

[Annabel Lee]

I found one!

http://omna.malf.net/barbara.htm

It's not a retreat center but it's a beginning

[Greg the byzantine]

How about taking a trip to Vegas, and trying your luck at roulette followed up by a retreat here:

http://www.lasvegasorthodox.com/RetreatCenter/activities.htm

[Greg the byzantine]

Or look what digging around on GOARCH got me, in Dunlap California:

http://www.stnicholasranch.org/

[Annabel Lee]

:)

Interesting, since I will be going to Vegas in July to visit family.
Thank you!

[Oblio]

Sorry, no song lyrics this time.

But I do have a question. Do the Eastern Orthodox have spiritual retreat centers?

Most monasteries qualify as such. For those near the mid East coast, there is St. Silouan Retreat near Charleston SC.

[RobNJ]

I figure it for a Tom Waits kind of day:

Tom Traubert's Blues

Wasted and wounded, it ain't what the moon did, I've got what I paid for now
See you tomorrow, hey Frank, can I borrow a couple of bucks from you
To go waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda,
You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me

I'm an innocent victim of a blinded alley
And I'm tired of all these soldiers here
No one speaks English, and everything's broken, and my Stacys are soaking wet
To go waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda,
You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me

Now the dogs are barking and the taxi cab's parking
A lot they can do for me
I begged you to stab me, you tore my shirt open,
And I'm down on my knees tonight
Old Bushmill's I staggered, you'd bury the dagger
In your silhouette window light go
To go waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda,
You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me

Now I lost my Saint Christopher now that I've kissed her
And the one-armed bandit knows
And the maverick Chinamen, and the cold-blooded signs,
And the girls down by the strip-tease shows, go
Waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda,
You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me

No, I don't want your sympathy, the fugitives say
That the streets aren't for dreaming now
And manslaughter dragnets and the ghosts that sell memories,
They want a piece of the action anyhow
Go waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda,
You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me

And you can ask any sailor, and the keys from the jailor,
And the old men in wheelchairs know
And Mathilda's the defendant, she killed about a hundred,
And she follows wherever you may go
Waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda,
You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me

And it's a battered old suitcase to a hotel someplace,
And a wound that will never heal
No prima donna, the perfume is on an
Old shirt that is stained with blood and whiskey
And goodnight to the street sweepers, the night watchmen flame keepers
And goodnight to Mathilda, too

[kamikat]

Every day I get up in the morning and go to work
And do my job--whatever
I need some
Sentimental Hygiene
Everybody's at war these days
Let's have a mini-surrender
I need some Sentimental hygiene

Everybody's had to hurt about it
No one wants to live without it
It's so hard to find it
Sentimental hygiene

Every night I come home exhausted
From trying to get along
I need some
Sentimental hygiene

Some nights I drive my car
Up and down the boulevard
It's so hard to find it
Sentimental hygiene

Everybody's had to hurt about it
No one wants to live without it
It's so hard to find it
Sentimental hygiene

Some nights I drive my car
Up and down the boulevard
It's so hard to find it
Sentimental hygiene
Sentimental hygiene
I need some Sentimental hygiene

Warren Zevon, memory eternal :crosseo:

[kamikat]

Boy, did this man speak to my heart


Well, I'm gone to Detox Mansion
Way down on Last Breath Farm
I've been rakin' leaves with Liza
Me and Liz clean up the yard

Left my home in Music City
In the back of a limousine
Now I'm doin' my own laundry
And I'm getting those clothes clean

Growin' fond of Detox Mansion
And this quiet life I lead
But I'm dying to tell my story
For all my friends to read

Well, it's tough to be somebody
And it's hard not to fall apart
Up here on Rehab Mountain
We gonna learn these things by heart

Well, I'm gone to Detox Mansion
Way down on Last Breath Farm
I've been rakin' leaves with Liza
Me and Liz clean up the yard

What goes on in Detox Mansion
Outside the rubber room
We get therapy and lectures
We play golf in the afternoon

Well, it's tough to be somebody
And it's hard not to fall apart
Up here on Rehab Mountain
We gonna learn these things by heart

Warren Zevon

[Annabel Lee]

Wow you two.
Great songs.

______________

This is hard.

This being torn between Catholicism and Orthodoxy is messing me up spiritually.
I go to church on Sunday, visit an EO church on another Sunday.
Read all the books and then pretend to be a good Catholic.
I suppose I'm not a good Catholic, but I do try to be honest.

This summer I can concentrate on attending more Liturgies and since youngest daughter is done with church activities, it will be a good time to better introduce her to the Orthodox Church.

So, that is why I bumped up the Sanctuary thread, because this was the first serious thread I had here and I do need sanctuary.

I mean everything is okay at church, I love the people and helping in different ministries but something is missing.

I know there is another step to take and I feel this is the step.

Well anyway, I always loved the word Sanctuary. :)

The End

[kamikat]

This is hard.

This being torn between Catholicism and Orthodoxy is messing me up spiritually.
I go to church on Sunday, visit an EO church on another Sunday.
Read all the books and then pretend to be a good Catholic.
I suppose I'm not a good Catholic, but I do try to be honest.


:hug:

Annabel, just wanted to give you a hug. The last year was one of the hardest years of my life. The decision of Catholic vs Orthodox has been the most gut-renching and scary thing I've ever done and I still haven't made the final jump yet. In fact, the last time I met with Father, I told him that I knew I could never be a good Catholic, but that I was afraid to be chrismated. I am so afraid that I am making the biggest mistake of my life. I know, in my heart, that I am no longer Catholic, if I ever really was one, but being between is difficult spiritually. I hope this summer, you are able to discerne where God is leading you, where ever you end up!

kamikat

[The Virginian]

:hug:

Annabel, just wanted to give you a hug. The last year was one of the hardest years of my life. The decision of Catholic vs Orthodox has been the most gut-renching and scary thing I've ever done and I still haven't made the final jump yet. In fact, the last time I met with Father, I told him that I knew I could never be a good Catholic, but that I was afraid to be chrismated. I am so afraid that I am making the biggest mistake of my life. I know, in my heart, that I am no longer Catholic, if I ever really was one, but being between is difficult spiritually. I hope this summer, you are able to discerne where God is leading you, where ever you end up!

kamikat

The cement roof of the backyard shelter
is a cool observation seat
Shade from a once proud tree cooling
while I sip the iced sun-brewed tea
There are no more names curses no noise
no interruptions to break the moment
Bluejays nestle on branches Robins poise
and the honeysuckle aroma a godsend
So goes another time in the tea-house
the sanctuary of my backyard
Cool alone and hugged by silence
tears angst frustrations depart
I worship in the tea-house of God

I'm sure that you've heard that old axiom, "the Church is a hospital for the wounded", well, it's true since Jesus said that He, "...did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance...." Each of us is the lost sheep, the pearl of great price, the lost valuable coin who has been redeemed from estrangement from our
Heavenly Father. He calls each of us by name, and we follow Him, because we know that He alone is the one who knows our every need, and cares for us with a passionate love, from which nothing on earth below, or in the heavens above can ever seperate us.
Within the Church, the Community of the Faithful we find the comfort of the Scriptures, the comfort of the Spirit, and the comfort of the Holy Spirit. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our afflictions, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God."

Have Thine own way Lord, have Thine own way, Thou art the potter, I am the clay

[Jebediah]

I always hoped there might have been a typo:

And the geek shall inherit the earth

:D :hug:

[Teshi]

(((Annabel)))

[Annabel Lee]

:hug:

Annabel, just wanted to give you a hug. The last year was one of the hardest years of my life. The decision of Catholic vs Orthodox has been the most gut-renching and scary thing I've ever done and I still haven't made the final jump yet. In fact, the last time I met with Father, I told him that I knew I could never be a good Catholic, but that I was afraid to be chrismated. I am so afraid that I am making the biggest mistake of my life. I know, in my heart, that I am no longer Catholic, if I ever really was one, but being between is difficult spiritually. I hope this summer, you are able to discerne where God is leading you, where ever you end up!

kamikat

Thank you, Kamikat. :hug: back to you!
It is difficult spiritually to be in between and I'm sorry that this year has been so hard for you.

I can't even call myself a catechumen yet. I wish I could.
If it was just me, it would be so easy but their are family members to take into consideration and I fear being selfish.
Oh I don't know.
But I do know I'll continue attending the Divine Liturgy and at some point I'll know what to do,

Thank you so much for your post. :)

[Marxist]

HI Annabel!

Thinking of you!

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men.

"Ripple"
The Grateful Dead

With Affection!

[Annabel Lee]

Give me sanctuary.

"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"

I asked for sanctuary over a year ago, now I'm asking again as a serious inquirer.

Sanctuary
1 : a consecrated place: as a : the ancient Hebrew temple at Jerusalem or its holy of holies b (1) : the most sacred part of a religious building (as the part of a Christian church in which the altar is placed) (2) : the room in which general worship services are held (3) : a place (as a church or a temple) for worship
2 a (1) : a place of refuge and protection (2) : a refuge for wildlife where predators are controlled and hunting is illegal b : the immunity from law attached to a sanctuary

[Matrona]

:hug:

Welcome, Annabel. :)

[Orthosdoxa]

((((Annabel))))))

[Xpycoctomos]

Wow Annabel. That's soooo wonderful! I'm curious, what draws you toward Orthodoxy? You don't have to answr that if you don't feel ready to.

John

[Annabel Lee]

Wow Annabel. That's soooo wonderful! I'm curious, what draws you toward Orthodoxy? You don't have to answr that if you don't feel ready to.

John

I don't mind answering.

A lot of reasons, the spiritual aspect, the unchanging beliefs, the lack of cruel legalism, people being treated as individuas through economia and not just cogs in a religious wheel, to name just a few.

I should probably think the answer through a bit.

I've read a few books; the two by Kalistos Ware and am now reading 'Thirsting For God in a Land of Shallow Wells' by Matthew
Gallatin.

In a fit of Amazon.com frenzy I ordered 'Gifts of the Desert' and 'The Mountain of Silence' by Markides along with 'The Orthodox way'and the Gallatin book.


I'm looking for something, the true description and means to experience God. I mean, I know God is out there but He seems like a shadow in some religions. You can catch brief glimpses and wonder if what you are experiencing is real. Some of it seems so man made, so full of doctrines and rules. So many YOU MUST BELIEVE THIS. When asked 'What if I can't?" The answer was, 'Just assent to the belief' I never could figure out how to assent to something that made no sense.

I'm tired and have probably expressed myself badly, hopefully tomorrow will bring more coherency to my thoughts.

[ThePilgrim]

*hug*

That's wonderful!

[RobNJ]

See, Nothing moves fast in Orthodoxy.... It took you four or five hours after I told you to post in TAW & show off the new faith icon!;)



WELCOME!!!

[cobweb]

Welcome!

I had wondered where you had gone. :)

[kamikat]

wowee! Look at that. I didn't even notice the icon until Rob mentioned it.
welcome to a wild and crazy journey!

kamikat

[Greg the byzantine]

I noticed the icon yesterday, and thought I missed something in TAW.

:hug: Welcome Annabel.

[ClementofRome]

WOW...that is just great Annabel. Congratulations.

As you can see....I am still caught in the middle. My middle is not unlike that of Gallatin....a mixed bag of Protestantism. The Journey continues...

[SumTinWong]

I'm looking for something, the true description and means to experience God. I mean, I know God is out there but He seems like a shadow in some religions. You can catch brief glimpses and wonder if what you are experiencing is real. Some of it seems so man made, so full of doctrines and rules. So many YOU MUST BELIEVE THIS. When asked 'What if I can't?" The answer was, 'Just assent to the belief' I never could figure out how to assent to something that made no sense.
Sounds like you and I are in the same boat. This is a good place to rest when you are tired of rowing.

[Mary of Bethany]

I hope this place can be a sanctuary to all of you who are searching.

:groupray:

Mary

[Annabel Lee]

Thank you.

My cup runneth over.

(Why is it that I always post quotes and song lyrics in TAW? :))

When I started posting in TAW, no one judged me or questioned why I was here.
You simply said 'Welcome'
It wasn't like that in other sections.

Thank you for that.

In the dark night of the soul, bright flows the river of God.
-Saint John of the Cross

The Orthodox Church may well be that river of God.

[Happy Orthodox]

Anabel, you may like this:

http://www.orthodoxpsalm.org/multimedia/clips/02-LetMyPrayer_Carpatho.mp3

:) :hug:

Congrats on your shiny new icon!

[DonVA]

When I started posting in TAW, no one judged me or questioned why I was here.
You simply said 'Welcome'
It wasn't like that in other sections.


I felt the same way when I got here, Annabel. I did my share of lurking and digging up and reading through of old threads to get a feel of who was here before I had the guts to post for the first time. This crowd reacted and responded in ways SO similar to my family that I couldn't help but jump in.

It appears to me that you've become quite a fixture around here! I know that I, for one, look forward to your next post, be it a song lyric or a single thought.

But today, I have one for you (that you made me think of!):

"Take me to the river, drop me in the water
Take me to the river, dip me in the water
Washing me down, washing me down"

:thumbsup:

[Xpycoctomos]

In the dark night of the soul, bright flows the river of God.
-Saint John of the Cross

I love that Saint... I actually got to see his monastery in person and also the monastery of his mentor (Saint Theresa of Avila... if you like his stuff you will probalbly feel the same or stronger about her stuff) and where she was born (where there is now a small side chapel you can go in to pray).

God bless Anabel, and Welcome.

John