"Eastern" Orthodox

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Another thread just made me wonder...does anyone here, in light of the fact that there are Western Orthodox Patriarchates (as in those in the West of the world) and that some of the Liturgy is even of a different style to the East, think of the term "Eastern" Orthodox as offensive? Or, at least, consider it innacurate?

I ask because it seemed to me that maybe "Eastern" limits the Orthodox Church, and makes it seem less the Universal and One Church you believe it to be.

Maybe it's just a Catholic thing...:P

Peace be with you,
Your brother Rob.

:crosseo: Christos Anesti. :liturgy:

[Moros]

Eastern refers to Byzantium, or Eastern Rome, as opposed to, well, Rome, in the West.

[Jason of Wyoming]

I know that I'd like to see the Church take back the "Catholic" title.

I'd love to say to my family and friends: "Hey, Im Catholic!" Unfortunately, they'd think I was "Roman" Catholic. :(

[InnerPhyre]

We can switch if you want. We'll be Orthodox and you guys can be Catholic for a month or two to try it out :)

[Matrona]

I don't mind being called Eastern Orthodox, and I often write Eastern Orthodox on forms asking for the name of my religion.

[Oblio]

You might ask brewmama, she is Western Orthodox. AFAIK she does not consider it offensive.

[Rilian]

I have no problem with it.

[gzt]

I really prefer to be known as Orthodox, but Eastern Orthodox is fine. I mean, I'm a Westerner living in the West who will live in the West all his life, most likely. If people ask what kind of Orthodox, I say American. But if it helps them understand, adding Eastern is fine.

[Dust and Ashes]

I'm fine with Eastern Orthodox or Orthodox. Of course when I just say Orthodox, most people think I mean Orthodox Judaism. ;)

[Jason of Wyoming]

What I don't like is that we can't even say "Eastern Catholic". That would have been nice to use.

[Oblio]

I have no problem with it.

:sorry: , I forgot :blush:

[Dust and Ashes]

What I don't like is that we can't even say "Eastern Catholic". That would have been nice to use.

I have a small, wooden, 3-bar cross that Orthodoxyusa made, which I wear to work every day and recently I had a guy comment on it and inform me that I was Byzantine Catholic.

"Umm...no, I'm Eastern Orthodox."

"Ehh, they're the same thing."

"Righhhhhhhht...." :doh:

[Oblio]

I have a BC cross I picked up in Greece :eek: (back when I was a Protestant and didn't know better), they have a tiny horizontal footbar.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

It really doesn't matter what we call ourselves GO, EO, O, RO... we still wind up staring at a person with a blank expression on thier face.... and we end up having to explain ourselves....

We're really from Mars.... or wait was it Venus?

http://home.comcast.net/~pasudduth/smcross.jpg

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me.....

[Dust and Ashes]

I have a BC cross I picked up in Greece :eek: (back when I was a Protestant and didn't know better), they have a tiny horizontal footbar.

I'm not sure what the guy was thinking. My footbar on my cross is at a perfect 45 degree angle. It just kind of threw me for a minute since I'm used to people asking what kind of cross it is and he's the first person to tell me what it was (not). :confused:

[Dust and Ashes]

Sweet, thanks O-usa!

That is a picture of the actual cross that I wear. It was the string that gave it away but I checked the grain and markings to make sure. hehe

Man, that Crossmaker 2000 is a fine piece of machinery. ;)

[Marjorie]

I don't prefer the title "Eastern Orthodox" because it seems to reinforce the idea that we're just the cultural equivalent of Catholicism in the East, but I'm not, like, offended by it. I prefer "Orthodox Christian..." and then, yes, I do have to take time to explain what I mean.

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Sweet, thanks O-usa!

That is a picture of the actual cross that I wear. It was the string that gave it away but I checked the grain and markings to make sure. hehe

Man, that Crossmaker 2000 is a fine piece of machinery. ;)

You mean to tell me... out of the hundreds that I have made, your wearing the one I made a picture of?

It's not even one of the better ones.... it's just a simple wooden cross.

Looks like it needed refinishing....

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me....

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I don't prefer the title "Eastern Orthodox" because it seems to reinforce the idea that we're just the cultural equivalent of Catholicism in the East, but I'm not, like, offended by it. I prefer "Orthodox Christian..." and then, yes, I do have to take time to explain what I mean.

In IC XC,
Marjorie

Orthodox? :eek: What's that?:confused: You mean your Jewish?

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me...:liturgy:

[Marjorie]

Orthodox? :eek: What's that?:confused: You mean your Jewish?

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me...:liturgy:

Haha. Especially because for me the conversation is usually:

Person X: Marjorie, why are you wearing a cross? I thought you were Jewish...
Marjorie: No, I'm Christian.
Person X: Since when?
Marjorie: About two years ago...
Person X: So you're a messianic Jew?
Marjorie: *look of horror* No, I'm Orthodox.
Person X: YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T JEWISH!!!!!!

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Haha. Especially because for me the conversation is usually:

Person X: Marjorie, why are you wearing a cross? I thought you were Jewish...
Marjorie: No, I'm Christian.
Person X: Since when?
Marjorie: About two years ago...
Person X: So you're a messianic Jew?
Marjorie: *look of horror* No, I'm Orthodox.
Person X: YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T JEWISH!!!!!!

In IC XC,
Marjorie


That's just too funny! ROLF

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me...:liturgy:

[nicodemus]

I don't prefer the title "Eastern Orthodox" because it seems to reinforce the idea that we're just the cultural equivalent of Catholicism in the East, but I'm not, like, offended by it. I prefer "Orthodox Christian..." and then, yes, I do have to take time to explain what I mean.

In IC XC,
Marjorie
When I use "Eastern Orthodox" I tend to use it as a term of convenience...as some people might have heard of that. Like Marjorie, I prefer "Orthodox Christian" as it helps strip some of the "weirdness" out of it for people that aren't familiar with it.

[nicodemus]

Orthodox? :eek: What's that?:confused: You mean your Jewish?

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me...:liturgy:
About three years ago I was at my friend's house the day after Christmas for their annual Christmas party. It somehow came up that I was Orthodox and people started peppering me with questions like...

"So, do you believe in Jesus"

"Do you use the New Testament?"

My friend converted to Orthodoxy about a year ago, so I guess that'll dispel some of the questions at future parties! :D

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I prefer "Orthodox Christian" but I find that more people have heard of "Greek Orthodox" although they still don't know what it means....

I usually wind up saying something like Orthodox is Orthodox be it Greek, Russian, or American.... it's all the same Church. Most time I get a response like....

:eek: Oh..?:confused:

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[Photios]

I once told a Protestant preacher that I was Orthodox. He asked if I was Jewish. Now this doesn't seem special, until you consider that I was visibly wearing a cross, two icons (Theotokos and St. Photios) and a prayer rope at the time. He was looking right at them when he asked.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I once told a Protestant preacher that I was Orthodox. He asked if I was Jewish. Now this doesn't seem special, until you consider that I was visibly wearing a cross, two icons (Theotokos and St. Photios) and a prayer rope at the time. He was looking right at them when he asked.

Well.... they just don't know do they.... I hope you invited him to "Come and See!"


Small Crosses Under Construction.... not yet trimmed or stained...
http://home.comcast.net/~pasudduth/smcrosses.jpg

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[Marjorie]

About three years ago I was at my friend's house the day after Christmas for their annual Christmas party. It somehow came up that I was Orthodox and people started peppering me with questions like...

"So, do you believe in Jesus"

"Do you use the New Testament?"

My friend converted to Orthodoxy about a year ago, so I guess that'll dispel some of the questions at future parties! :D

Haha.

Sometimes you even get these questions when they don't think you're Jewish...

My friend Allen, who is Protestant, once went on a missionary trip-esque thing to Moldova (she views it as a humanitarian thing, not a 'let's convert the heathen' thing...) and her mother was with her, and anyway at one point her mom was like "So what do the Orthodox believe?" and Allen was like "Christ..." and her mom was like "are you sure? I'm pretty sure they worship idols." "No, Mom, they worship God." "No, I'm sure there are idols involved somehow."

*rolls eyes*

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[nicodemus]

I was actually quite disappointed in a letter I read today in the OCA's official publication. A "Letter to the Editor" stated that the OCA should call itself "The Russian Orthodox Church in America" (or maybe it was "The Russian Orthodox Church of America") in honor of its Russian heritage.

I think that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Orthodoxy is fighting enough uphill battles in this country than to go out and make it seem even more foreign. I might suggest to that reader that the Russian Orthodox Church change it's name to the Greek Orthodox Church in Russia since they inherited their Orthodoxy from the Greeks.

I've been pegged as "an ungrateful convert" by some people who've accused me of not honoring Orthodoxy's Eastern European heritage (which is totally false.) I've even taken quite an interest in the secular history of Russia, Georgia, Greece, etc. because the church has impacted those cultures so greatly. However, many (if not most) Americans still carry a lot of "cold war baggage" and are often a bit Russophobic even if they don't realize it (and many DO realize it.)

I know that's a bit off topic, but not really. I want to see Orthodoxy flourish the world over, not in terms of meaningless numbers, but in terms of changed souls praying and working for their salvation. In as much as that is my desire, I pray for the removal of superficial and artificial barriers that might hinder one from exploring the Church. To me, the "eastern" and/or "ethnic" qualifiers do just that, and I'd like to see them go....

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I was actually quite disappointed in a letter I read today in the OCA's official publication. A "Letter to the Editor" stated that the OCA should call itself "The Russian Orthodox Church in America" (or maybe it was "The Russian Orthodox Church of America") in honor of its Russian heritage.

I think that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Orthodoxy is fighting enough uphill battles in this country than to go out and make it seem even more foreign. I might suggest to that reader that the Russian Orthodox Church change it's name to the Greek Orthodox Church in Russia since they inherited their Orthodoxy from the Greeks.

I've been pegged as "an ungrateful convert" by some people who've accused me of not honoring Orthodoxy's Eastern European heritage (which is totally false.) I've even taken quite an interest in the secular history of Russia, Georgia, Greece, etc. because the church has impacted those cultures so greatly. However, many (if not most) Americans still carry a lot of "cold war baggage" and are often a bit Russophobic even if they don't realize it (and many DO realize it.)

I know that's a bit off topic, but not really. I want to see Orthodoxy flourish the world over, not in terms of meaningless numbers, but in terms of changed souls praying and working for their salvation. In as much as that is my desire, I pray for the removal of superficial and artificial barriers that might hinder one from exploring the Church. To me, the "eastern" and/or "ethnic" qualifiers do just that, and I'd like to see them go....

:clap: :clap:

[Khaleas]

I think it's very much depending on the heritage of the people who founded the particular church. I agree that it would be odd to call OCA directly Russian - although sometimes I think they should add a bit Russification to the deal as the OCA priests in Baltimore tend to end up at our services after theirs is over... but that's just because we're long winded. :D
The church I attend was founded by Russians and Ukrainians and they are proud of the heritage thus our church is named: Holy Trinity Russian Orthodox Church. Maybe it will scare away a few to the OCA church but they have been very very welcoming.
I can understand the scare of the Russians though. My grandmother sees the Orthodox church as something Russian (I guess I should say Soviet), but having lived through the Winter War, WW II etc with Russian invasion of Finland (lost many friends in the war) and such, she does not associate orthodoxy with anything really good. And it's very understandable. My grandmother is a very intelligent person and we talked about it and she had blocked out some of the facts just because the Russians bring such a bad memory for her. So when I told her that in the Soviet era religion was not a good thing and this was the era she is thinking of and associating with orthodoxy. Fortunately my grandmother has an incredibly open mind and we took a walk to the local church close to her in Finland and even though she just admired the beauty it was an eye opener I think (which is an accomplishment in itself at her age... she's seen a lot). In the end she just wants me to be happy and now she has found something else she can get me as presents... books about orthodoxy, icons etc. :thumbsup:

So I have no problems with labeling different parts of orthodoxy, but if I'm just talking about faith itself or what I am ... then it's just orthodox... but at the same time I'm not forgetting the heritage of the church I attend.

[Photini]

I'm not really offended by anything you want to call me. Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, blah blah blah. I am what I am. Usually when asked, I just say I am an Orthodox Christian. And like OrthodoxyUSA said, it doesn't really matter because you end up with the same blank look no matter what. And usually the question, "So do you believe in the Bible?"

[Oblio]

And usually the question, "So do you believe in the Bible?"


Or my favorite: 'Do you believe in Jesus ?'

:doh:

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I'm not really offended by anything you want to call me. Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, blah blah blah. I am what I am. Usually when asked, I just say I am an Orthodox Christian. And like OrthodoxyUSA said, it doesn't really matter because you end up with the same blank look no matter what. And usually the question, "So do you believe in the Bible?"

I love telling them....

If we hadn't written the Bible you wouldn't have one...

Boy... that gets some looks..^_^

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me...:liturgy:

[Mary of Bethany]

Or my favorite: 'Do you believe in Jesus ?'

:doh:

That's exactly what my own sister asked me!!!! :eek:

[nicodemus]

That's exactly what my own sister asked me!!!! :eek:
My mom asked that a time or two until she saw my baptism and wedding and heard just how frequently the name of Jesus is said! :D

[Robbie_James_Francis]

This is really interesting...thanks! I'm doing Religious Studies at school at the moment and, though we study (supposedly) all the major denominations of Christianity, not once has the Orthodox Church been mentioned. :sigh:

And I thought Catholics had it bad with being thought of as not Christian...my heart goes out to you all. May God bless you! :)

The idea that those who historically hold a great amount of legitimate Apostolic sucession don't believe in Jesus is comical, then saddening, and then makes me very angry.

Peace,
Rob

[nicodemus]

This is really interesting...thanks! I'm doing Religious Studies at school at the moment and, though we study (supposedly) all the major denominations of Christianity, not once has the Orthodox Church been mentioned. :sigh:

You may want to mention to your teacher that after the Catholicism, Orthodoxy is the second biggest Christian confession.

It's funny, when I go back and think of my high school education, I remember being taught about the Great Schism, but then only remember being taught about the Catholic church and the protestant reformation. The other half of the schism was never taught, and if any of it was, it was never identified as the Orthodox Church.

[rhyddid_rose]

Christ is Risen

When people ask about my religion, I tell them I'm Orthodox. Sometimes people think I'm Jewish. So I tell people Eastern Orthodox. I live in a very large city, so most people know about Eastern Orthodox. I'm changing jurisdictions from Antiochian to ROCOR, so if anyone asks, like at hospital or the doctor's, I'll tell them Russian Orthodox. They will probably look at me and think: funny, you don't look Russian. ;) :D

Peace and Long Life

бабочка

[Photios]

This is really interesting...thanks! I'm doing Religious Studies at school at the moment and, though we study (supposedly) all the major denominations of Christianity, not once has the Orthodox Church been mentioned. :sigh:

And I thought Catholics had it bad with being thought of as not Christian...my heart goes out to you all. May God bless you! :)

The idea that those who historically hold a great amount of legitimate Apostolic sucession don't believe in Jesus is comical, then saddening, and then makes me very angry.

Peace,
Rob

My Religions course did cover Orthodoxy, Catholocism, as well as two categories of Protestantism, though no specific group of Protestants were focused on to an exclusion. The teacher was a Baptist minister, interestingly enough. He wanted to get speakers, but due to his time constraints with being an adjunct and having another job, only got one, which I arranged for the most part cause it was my priest. The Long Search series also has a pretty good video on Orthodoxy, though I didn't get to finish the one on RC, as it ran over and I had to go, plus others were talking. We covered many religions but obviously only in summary. Out of my own curiosity I am currently studying Bahai, but only to learn as I may end up teaching such a course some day.

[Greg the byzantine]

When I told one of my friends I was Greek Orthodox she asked me if I believe in Zeus, Athena, Aphrodite, and all of them :doh: I think it was the Greek part that made her think that.

[Matrona]

When I took comparative religion, we used Huston Smith's The World's Religions and someone else's Anatomy of the Sacred as our textbooks. In Smith, Eastern Orthodoxy was given all of two pages out of the 300+ page book. In Sacred, Orthodoxy was mentioned indirectly in the glossary (an entry on icons mentioned that they were used by Christians of Greek ancestry) and a short mention on a page about Teresa of Avila.

[Robbie_James_Francis]

They will probably look at me and think: funny, you don't look Russian. ;) :D

I've been asked if I'm Italian before because I'm a "Roman" Catholic. ^_^

--

Our Religious Studies course is Islam and Christian Perspectives. The latter includes Catholic, Church of England, Baptist, Methodist and some Quaker stuff, but no Orthodoxy...:sigh: . And the full title of the Christian section is "Christian Perspectives on moral and social issues" or something like that. Which, imo, is such a copout excuse not to study Christianity properly. You know we do the life of Muhammed in detail and the early Muslim period but have we learnt about the life of Jesus and the Early Church? I should be so lucky...

Ah well,

Peace be with you,
Rob :hug:

[Photios]

When I took comparative religion, we used Huston Smith's The World's Religions and someone else's Anatomy of the Sacred as our textbooks. In Smith, Eastern Orthodoxy was given all of two pages out of the 300+ page book. In Sacred, Orthodoxy was mentioned indirectly in the glossary (an entry on icons mentioned that they were used by Christians of Greek ancestry) and a short mention on a page about Teresa of Avila.

We used the Hopfe/Woodward Religions of the World. It's odd that Smith didn't cover Orthodoxy very much, as I have seen him express a deep admiration in video interviews. Like I said, we actually had my priest give a talk and watched a video as well as talking about the Church. This may have been due to me being in the class, but even though my teacher was a graduate of the Dallas Theological seminary, he had several friends in his graduating class convert, and is pretty interested himself, at least on an academic level.

[Marjorie]

When I took comparative religion, we used Huston Smith's The World's Religions and someone else's Anatomy of the Sacred as our textbooks. In Smith, Eastern Orthodoxy was given all of two pages out of the 300+ page book. In Sacred, Orthodoxy was mentioned indirectly in the glossary (an entry on icons mentioned that they were used by Christians of Greek ancestry) and a short mention on a page about Teresa of Avila.

How odd; how in the world could Teresa of Avila be related to Orthodoxy? Besides that her mystical theology was closer to Orthodoxy than a lot of Catholic theology... but I doubt they'd say that...

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[Photini]

I really enjoyed reading Smith's book. Though his mention of Orthodoxy was brief, I thought it was well written.

[Matrona]

How odd; how in the world could Teresa of Avila be related to Orthodoxy? Besides that her mystical theology was closer to Orthodoxy than a lot of Catholic theology... but I doubt they'd say that...

Actually, I think that was the entire basis of what they said... I'll have to look at the book to be sure.

[Khaleas]

You may want to mention to your teacher that after the Catholicism, Orthodoxy is the second biggest Christian confession.

It's funny, when I go back and think of my high school education, I remember being taught about the Great Schism, but then only remember being taught about the Catholic church and the protestant reformation. The other half of the schism was never taught, and if any of it was, it was never identified as the Orthodox Church.

In Finland you have religion classes all 12 years of education (I think it convinced Father to chrismate me earlier). It's mainly Christianity (Lutheran view) but we talk about the life of Jesus and the Apostles etc. And a fair share of Bible reading... but also about other religions. I just remember the first time I really reacted to Orthodoxy. I thought the Orthodox Cathedral in Helsinki was so pretty (and it is gorgeous) and was looking forward to visiting when we did field trips to all kinds of different churches. So we went to the Mosque, the Synagogue, even the Hare Krishna (yup, it smells) but for some odd reason we didn't go to the Orthodox church (even if it is the other state religion)... I threw a massive fit with our teacher because I had wanted to go there so bad.
I actually learned more about the Scism in my European Geography class than I ever did in my religion class. For those who are in college now, check out some of the geography classes offered if there are any cultural geography classes. Geography isn't all place names and a very holistic view of many social scienes (political science, antropology, economics, even religion and of course geography). I switched from Political Science to Geography... and now I might take a 15 credit correspondance course in Orthodox studies.

[prodromos]

When I told one of my friends I was Greek Orthodox she asked me if I believe in Zeus, Athena, Aphrodite, and all of them :doh: I think it was the Greek part that made her think that.The funny thing is, there are actually martyr saints with those names along with many others (although not Zeus but Dias). There is also a saint Hercules! :)


Christos Anesti! Christ is Risen!
John

[Konstantinos]

When I told one of my friends I was Greek Orthodox she asked me if I believe in Zeus, Athena, Aphrodite, and all of them :doh: I think it was the Greek part that made her think that.
when I was a boy I went to the U.S. and asked many times "oh!! do the Greeks still worhip Zeus???" "do the Greeks have electricity?? do you still wear togas???. :rolleyes: people just dont understand!!!

[Sergius_Lucius]

when I was a boy I went to the U.S. and asked many times "oh!! do the Greeks still worhip Zeus???" "do the Greeks have electricity?? do you still wear togas???
hahaha. That's even more funny if we remember that toga is a Roman cloth.

[sin_vladimirov]

When Arabs ask me if I am Christian I tell them yes!
When they ask me if I am Roman Catholic, I tell them no!
When they ask me if I am Protestant I tell them also no!
That is when they say, So you are a Christian!

[elizabethevangeline]

In the end she just wants me to be happy and now she has found something else she can get me as presents... books about orthodoxy, icons etc. :thumbsup:


:hug: My grandma was like that too.

[Matrona]

I know a Greek Orthodox priest who was asked what he was (wearing a cassock and pectoral cross).

He said, "I'm a Greek Orthodox priest."

And the person asked, "So does that mean you worship Zeus?"

:doh:

[sin_vladimirov]

Do these people ever read New Testament?
Did they ever heard that Thessalonica, Korinth, Athens... are places in GREECE?
Did they ever heard which language the NT was written in?


Oh.. darkness... absolute darkness!

[nicodemus]

Do these people ever read New Testament?
Did they ever heard that Thessalonica, Korinth, Athens... are places in GREECE?
Did they ever heard which language the NT was written in?


Oh.. darkness... absolute darkness!
Since theology doesn't seem to work on most people these days, I've often used those very same examples to show people that Orthodoxy has been around forever and that the people those books were addressed to have not changed their faith.

[prodromos]

I happened to be in Berea (Veria) on the weekend. I stood on the steps where the Apostle Paul preached to the Bereans :)

[sin_vladimirov]

I happened to be in Berea (Veria) on the weekend. I stood on the steps where the Apostle Paul preached to the Bereans :)

And are Verians still worship Athena?:D

[Kolya]

I happened to be in Berea (Veria) on the weekend. I stood on the steps where the Apostle Paul preached to the Bereans :)

Wow! that must be such a humbling experience. They were the guys St Paul commended for studing their scriptures so well to check out if what he said was true.

On a Side Bar: I find it an oddity that the nouns in Greek and Slavic that start with 'B' have changed to 'V' in English. Eg. Basil - Vasili, Berea - Veria. But the letter pronounced 'V' in slavic is our English 'B'.
Just thought that interesting.:)

[Dust and Ashes]

Do these people ever read New Testament?
Did they ever heard that Thessalonica, Korinth, Athens... are places in GREECE?
Did they ever heard which language the NT was written in?


Oh.. darkness... absolute darkness!

I thought the New Testament was written in 1611 English. :P :D

[prodromos]

On a Side Bar: I find it an oddity that the nouns in Greek and Slavic that start with 'B' have changed to 'V' in English. Eg. Basil - Vasili, Berea - Veria. But the letter pronounced 'V' in slavic is our English 'B'.
Just thought that interesting.:)Well, what English speaking people call Beta "β" is actually called Vita in Greek and has a "V" sound. To produce a "B" sound in Greek you actually have to combine an "M" and a "P" as in "μπ". There is also no equivalent letter in Greek for the letter "D". The letter Delta "Δ, δ" is actually a "th" sound as in the word "there". To get the "D" sound you combine "N" and "T" as is "ντ" (lower case "N" in Greek looks like a "v")

[prodromos]

Something that bugs me no end is how Paul's letters to the Church in Thessaloniki are known in English as Thessalonians.
It should be Thessalonikians!
Thessalonians are the people of Thessaly, a completely different region in Greece.

John

[sin_vladimirov]

Well, what English speaking people call Beta "β" is actually called Vita in Greek and has a "V" sound. To produce a "B" sound in Greek you actually have to combine an "M" and a "P" as in "μπ". There is also no equivalent letter in Greek for the letter "D". The letter Delta "Δ, δ" is actually a "th" sound as in the word "there". To get the "D" sound you combine "N" and "T" as is "ντ" (lower case "N" in Greek looks like a "v")


AAAAAAA! I always wondered about it.
Thats why serbian priest say ALFAVIT (when they mention greek alphabet)...

Baptist, you are an aussie, right? Where from?

[prodromos]

Baptist, you are an aussie, right? Where from?
Mostly from around Sydney. My dad was a teacher so we moved about every five years. Where abouts were you?

[sin_vladimirov]

Born in Tuzla (Bosnia) during the war been is Serbia and Australia (Perth), now am in Saudi, going back to perth in 9 days and then.. we will see...

[prodromos]

I've heard that Perth is a beautiful city, lots of parks just outside the city centre. Alas, prior to my coming to Greece, I'd barely travelled beyond N.S.W. so I haven't seen that much of Oz.

[sin_vladimirov]

Perth is very very very nice. I love Oz a lot...

[Rilian]

Born in Tuzla (Bosnia) during the war been is Serbia and Australia (Perth), now am in Saudi, going back to perth in 9 days and then.. we will see...

What's your citizenship?

[Kripost]

Born in Tuzla (Bosnia) during the war been is Serbia and Australia (Perth), now am in Saudi, going back to perth in 9 days and then.. we will see...

You are from Perth? I was there last year for further studies. Which church do you go to in Perth?

[sin_vladimirov]

Rilian,
I got 4 passports, currently traveling on Bosnian. That way no one here (KSA) can get any ideas to put on me orange jump suit and chop me head off on Al-jazeera. Also have Australian, Serbian and Croatian (mum is croatian, go figure).


Kripost,
When I was in Perth last time, the only church that I saw was night club called church.


This time arround.. who knows.. there are 2 serbian ones.. so one of them.

[Kripost]

Kripost,
When I was in Perth last time, the only church that I saw was night club called church.


This time arround.. who knows.. there are 2 serbian ones.. so one of them.

I used to frequent Ss. Constantine and Helene, the red Greek church in Northbridge, just next to the park. Although I have visited other parishes, I have not gone to the Serbian parishes brfore.

[sin_vladimirov]

I know when Ss Constantine and Helene is... but never been in it... To be honsest, I will go around and have a look. I dont have a problem with greek (as far as Lieturgia is concerned). Last two weeks MP3's of Serbian, Greek, Russian and English Liturgy was on 24/7 at my place.. so I think that I can follow. Plus, greek sounds.. so good (no offence to any slavs out there LOL).

But, I'll see and when I do.. I will tell you.

[Photini]

Mostly from around Sydney. My dad was a teacher so we moved about every five years. Where abouts were you?
My godmother is from Sydney. :)