Stars - Have you ever wondered about this?

[Sephania]

I was just doing some online research about some of the subjects floating about on our forum and this hit me.Most interpret Genesis 1:16-17 as G-d making the stars on day 4, but I read it differently . I believe that these stars were already made, but on day 4 they were "Set" in the firmament of which surrounded the earth at that time.

1:16 And G-d (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=0430&version=kjv) made (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=06213&version=kjv) two (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=08147&version=kjv) great (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=01419&version=kjv) lights; (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03974&version=kjv) the greater (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=01419&version=kjv) light (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03974&version=kjv) to rule (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=04475&version=kjv) the day, (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03117&version=kjv) and the lesser (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=06996&version=kjv) light (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03974&version=kjv) to rule (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=04475&version=kjv) the night: (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03915&version=kjv) he made the stars (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03556&version=kjv) also. 1:17 And G-d (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=0430&version=kjv) set (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=05414&version=kjv) them in the firmament (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=07549&version=kjv) of the heaven (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=08064&version=kjv) to give light (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=0215&version=kjv) upon the earth, (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=0776&version=kjv)

Yet still we know that what is called stars is the same as our sun, which is a big burning ball of gas. These each have a life expectancy which is what causes them to give more light or less light as well as the distance they are from us. The light coming in from them would be hitting at different times because of this distance but HaShem could make this all be "Set" at this time on this fourth day.

But what is more interesting is that there is a constellation that many aren't familiar with, the constelation of Draco, the Dragon. It is a huge constellation that encircles the North Pole .


Five thousand years ago the Earth's axis did not point towards Polaris, our present North Pole Star, but to alpha-Draconis, or Thuban. For people living then, this star must have seemed to be as fixed in the sky as Polaris appears to be to us (because it doesn't rise or set in different seasons, it is always visible). Referring to Draco's change of position in respect to the pole from the effect of precession, Proctor wrote in his Myths and Marvels of Astronomy; "One might almost, if fancifully disposed, recognize the gradual displacement of the Dragon from his old place of honor, in certain traditions of the downfall of the great Dragon whose 'tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven' alluded to in The Renela ion xii, 4; and the conclusion of that verse, 'did cast them to the earth' would show a possible reference to meteors".


So If the stars were created after the earth ( which doesn't make sense) then they must have been created before. And in the garden we see the adversary as a "Serpent" already fallen , then when did he fall? And so the stars were created perhaps milllions of years before the garden and the L-RD placed each one in a certain space, and in realtionship to the earth we see that over time they move in our skies. Amoung the constellations is this huge dragon or serpent or sea serpent. It has been tracted that at one time the constellation Virgo sat atop the head of this serpent, and the sun was at her head and the moon at her feet, but that is another thread. ;) So How far back did this angel, this cheruv we know as Lucifer, fall. if his "symbol" has been residing in the heavens all this time?

The Dragon.
Today Polaris is the pole star but 4,000 years ago Thuban (a Dra) held this position. In ancient times the heavens appeared to revolve around this constellation.

The great Egyptian pyramids of Khufu, located at Gizeh, seem to have been planned and built with Thuban as a guide when Thuban was the Pole Star around 3000 B.C. The pyramid was built in such a way that Thuban was visible day and night from the bottom of one of the pyramid's deep air shafts. Other pyramids also seem to have been planned and built with the then Pole Star as a focal point.

The origin of the constellation, Draco, and of most dragon lore as well, was probably the Chaldean dragon Tiamat, the sea serpent who existed even before the sea and sky had been divided from each other, the dragon of chaos. Tiamat was a monster of primeval darkness, just such a monster as exists in almost every mythology and must be overcome by the powers of sunlight before the creation of the world can take place. The Sumerians and Babylonians, those early inhabitants of the Tigris and Euphrates Valley from whom we have inherited so much of our mythology and astronomy alike, envisioned the beginnings of creation as a hazy state of chaos, a gloom that was nothing in itself and yet contained the potentialities of all things. With the passing of time, the first gods arose from this primordial sea and come into conflict with the force that had given them birth, the deep, wild, creative but evil force of this ocean dragon Tiamat.


Interesting, nu?

[Sephania]

http://www.coldwater.k12.mi.us/lms/planetarium/myth/Dra.gif

http://www.coldwater.k12.mi.us/lms/planetarium/myth/Dra-myth.gifhttp://www.coldwater.k12.mi.us/lms/planetarium/myth/draco.html

[Sephania]

http://www.utahskies.org/deepsky/constellations/maps/draco.jpgin relationship to the 'little dipper' and Polaris the last star in the "handle" of the dipper, which is cut off in the picture above but is under '6h' at top.

[Ahavah]

Wondering how the Horoscope ever worked into G-d's creation?:scratch:

[Sephania]

The stars and moons and planets were put there for signs, and times and to tell a story. HaSatan has taken these creations of the L-RDS and used them for his own purposes to distract from the real one.

[ShirChadash]

The stars and moons and planets were put there for signs, and times and to tell a story. HaSatan has taken these creations of the L-RDS and used them for his own purposes to distract from the real one.

*nod*


http://philologos.org/__eb-tws/default.htm

[Bon]

All the months of many cultures were 30 days prior to 701 BC giving a 360 day sidereal year (orbital period of the earth).

- India Veda texts assume 360 day years

- Persia 360 day years. 7th Century BC 5 days added

- Chaldea 360 day year, (360 degree circle: 60 min/hr, 60 sec./min.)

- Assyria 360 day year, Decade = 3600 days

- Egypt 12 30 day months, 5 days added after 7th Cent. BC

- 360 gods in the theology of the Greek Orpheus

- 360 Idols in the palace of Dairi in Japan

- 360 statues surrounding the Hobal in Ancient Arabia

- 360 icons in the gnostic gneii

- 360 degrees in a circle

All early calendars were on a 360 day basis.

2nd king of Rome, Numa Pompilius, reorganizes the 360 day calendar in 364BC adding 5 days.

Hezekiah adds 1 month every 6 years.

All ancient calendars changed after 701 BC, ie the Egyptians, Hebrews, Greeks, Phoenicians, Chinese, Mayan, Hindus, Carthaginians, Etruscans, Tuetons, etc. etc.

Most early calendars began in March and some began in October. It wasn't until the 1500's that January was installed as the first month.

Why the change? Only a change in the orbit of the earth would account for a massive change in the calendars of the ancients.

Immanual Veilikovsky thought Venus was a comet captured by the sun and swept Mars off orbit to glance past earth. There is much speculation about a planet that once orbited between Mars and is now rubble (the asteroid belt). Some the asteroids that have struck the earth as iron nickel meteorites have a crystalline structure the evidenced being in the molten core of a planet under pressure and the pressure be suddenly released.

What catastrophe could have caused a planet to tear apart?

Mars exhibits evidences of vast floods on its' surface and immense volcanism. The moon of the earth shows a battered face to us that happened relatively recently. The moons of Mars are almost nothing more than uneven fragments blackened and charred from some ancient catastrophe.


The Martian Moons.

Phobos, 8 miles in diameter, 3% albedo (darkest object in Solar System) rises in the west. Rotates 7h39m.

Demos, 12 miles? diameter, Rotates 30h18m, almost synchronous, rises in east.

Phobos means Fear, and Demos means Panic.


Discovered in 1877 by Asaph Hall

Jonathan Swift (1667 - 1745 ) published Gulliver's Travels in 1726 and details the size, Albedo, revolutions and orbits of two moons of Mars, 151 years before their discovery.

Many cultures feared and worshipped Mars, as God of War, Baal etc.. Why? Mars today is a very faint speck in the sky and certainly has no commanding presence.

A computer program shows Mars could have passed close to earth at least 7 times and up to 13 times before orbit stabilized on a 54 year or multiple of schedule.

I found this rather interesting tidbit of information recently....


Recently a couple American scientists were able to plug detailed orbital data from precise NASA observations into NASA supercomputers and run the known Earth and Mars orbits back in time. Provocatively, the computer models calculated that Mars and Earth were once on resonant orbits, with Mars taking 720 days to revolve around the sun and Earth 360 days. This potential discovery in and of itself is extremely interesting as it helps shine some light on the millennia-old question of why the ancients all had 360-day calendars originally and why they all changed them after 701 BC.

The NASA work also showed that the calculated original 2:1 orbital resonance of Mars with Earth meant that there was a near pass-by between Earth and Mars once every 54 or 108 years, either a spring intersection of their overlapping elliptical orbits around late March or an autumn intersection of their orbits around late October. Each time Mars and Earth would have passed by in close proximity once in every 54 or 108 year cycle, there would be net energy transferred from one planet to the other due to gravitational interactions. Every energy transfer would gradually alter the respective orbits of the two planets around the sun. For reference, we are talking between 70,000 to 200,000 miles from Earth on a Mars near pass-by. Believe it or not, this is actually inside the current lunar orbit of about 240,000 miles!

The NASA supercomputer orbital model, amazingly enough, calculated that the last near pass-by of Earth and Mars occurred in, you guessed it, March 701 BC. At that final pass-by, enough planetary energy had been transferred over the preceding millennia of near pass-bys to push Earth and Mars into their present day orbits. Earth had a net energy gain and its solar year went from 360 days, as the ancients observed, to roughly 365 and a quarter days today. Mars had a net energy loss and its annual revolution around the sun dropped from 720 days to its current 687 days.

Even more provocative, in order to observe the small and dark moons of Mars with the naked eye from Earth, Mars' orbit would have had to travel within 100,000 miles or so of Earth! Jonathan Swift thought he was incorporating merely an ancient legend of Mars' tiny moons into his "Gulliver's Travels" tale, but perhaps he was really drawing from an ancient eyewitness account!

Many puzzling historical, scientific, and cultural mysteries fall into place if the Mars-Earth near pass-by hypothesis is indeed correct!

Obviously having Mars (4222 mile diameter), which is almost twice as large as Earth's moon (2160 mile diameter), within 70,000 miles of Earth (7926 mile diameter) well inside the lunar orbit would not be something one could miss. The consequences of such ancient near pass-bys of Earth and Mars would be catastrophic.

Just as the gravitational pull of the moon spawns Earth's ocean tides today, the gravitational pull of Mars, larger and closer, would be tremendous. Coastal regions worldwide would be inundated with 200-foot high tidal waves, scouring everything in their path. Even worse, there would actually be huge crustal tides directly underneath Mars' fly-by path above Earth. While the Earth's moon can move the Earth's crust a couple inches today, Mars would exert enough gravitational force to cause 85-foot high land tides, almost impossible to imagine in magnitude of raw devastation!

There would also be massive and lethal meteor showers as space debris caught in Mars' gravity well were scraped-off into the Earth's gravity well and fell into the Earth's atmosphere. Many meteors would become meteorites as they smashed into the ground at 30,000 miles per hour, creating untold havoc. Some meteors, the ones with ices trapped inside, probably cooked into bolides upon entering Earth's atmosphere and exploded in huge fiery explosions in the sky. What a sight to see!

The Earth's magnetic field could actually reverse in a near pass-by as it was buffeted by Mars' own magnetic field. Earth's axis could actually shift from the enormous gravitational turbulence, changing earth's precession and axial tilt which causes the length of our seasons today.

Now if you were an ancient, and one morning on a cycle of every 54 or 108 years blood-red Mars rises in the Earth's sky and is occasionally so close at 70,000 miles that it appears 50 times as large as the Earth's moon, don't you think you would respect and fear the planets? Me too! It is almost impossible to overestimate just how frightening and influential such near pass-by events would be in forming ancient popular culture and leading to their utter terror of the planets.

Interestingly, the provocative Mars-Earth orbital resonance pass-by theory also explains numerous other ancient mysteries.

The ancient Israelis talk about the "Long Day of Joshua", when a day was lengthened by God to allow the great Hebrew general Joshua to pursue and annihilate his enemies. The account is in Joshua 10 of the Christian Bible. Amazingly, the computer models indicate that one of these Mars-Earth near pass-bys occurred on October 25th, 1404 BC, with Mars passing over the North Pole of Earth, which would alter Earth's axial tilt. This change in precession triggered by Mars' gravity would cause the sun to appear to shine for 2-4 hours longer than a normal Earth day.

Joshua 10:12-14 says, "At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord obeyed the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel."ﾠ Joshua 10:11, the verse right before this passage, describes a massive meteorite shower smiting Israel's enemies.

Other ancient cultures including the Chinese have legendary accounts of a single Long Day in human history. Wild stuff eh?

Ever heard of a little town on the Tiber River called Rome that eventually grew into a mighty empire? Rome was founded by Romulus around 753 BC, just after a projected Mars-Earth near pass-by on October 25th, 756 BC. Was the famous city on seven hills founded 15 miles upstream rather than on the seacoast in anticipation of 200-foot high tidal waves every 108 years? Why are most of the ruins of ancient cities we are aware of inland and not on the coasts?

Catastrophic earth crustal tides caused by Mars may explain why many great ancient cities were completely destroyed and rebuilt on their own rubble more than a half-dozen times. Ancient weaponry like swords and shields certainly wasn't adequate enough to level an entire city like our nuclear toys of today could!

Now I don't know about you, but if I saw blood-red Mars rise in the sky one morning appearing 50 times as large as the moon, and I watched meteors pummel the earth, the earth's crust crack apart, family and friends killed, and great cities leveled, I think I too would have a huge respect and fear of the Red Planet!

Since I wasn't around in 1404 BC or even 701 BC I don't know if the Mars-Earth near pass-by hypothesis is indeed correct, but it certainly nicely solves all kinds of scientific, astronomic, and historical mysteries. You have to admit the whole theory is quite fascinating.

Some food for thought . :)
Bon

[talmidim]

Sweet Bon! Sweet!

[Shimshon]

Sweet Bon! Sweet!





My thoughts exactly. Like candy to a baby. :clap:

[talmidim]

My thoughts exactly. Like candy to a baby. :clap:Gonna have to start calling her Bon Bon!

[Sephania]

Interesting info, but not on the subject I wrote about. The OP was about when the one known as HaSatan fell, since the story about him as a dragon is in the night sky.