What's up with the "Noahides"?

[easttndoc]

I've seen this notion of "Righteous Gentiles" on some internet sites. Are these simply people that reject Christ, but find truth in the Torah? If so I suspect they've seen a very negative witness from other Christians.

I didn't think the Jewish faith was evangelical by it nature. Was I wrong?

[plum]

I don't see anywhere that a "righteous gentile" (no matter what laws they live by) rejects Christ.

i don't know much about the 7 noachide laws or what the deal is about them.

[Bruce101]

The Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah.
B'nai Noach
Judaism teaches that the law is not for Gentiles, and it is not proper for Gentiles to follow the law. That God gave the law to Jews, and Jews only and that they will be judged on how they keep the law.
This does not put Gentiles in the cold.
Judaism teaches that God will judge Gentiles on seven basic laws of mankind.
They use verses that speak about the righteos among the nations to (and a few others) to justify tha belief.
So...Judaism teaches that you can even be of a different religion and still have a place in the world to come. As long as you only worship God in that religion. Or it is not a religion of many Gods, which is how they view Christianity because of the way the trinity is presented. They even feel that the Muslum religion is okay, as long within that religion, you are following and not breaking the seven laws.
A rejection Of Yeshua is a must to be a Noachide. (no can do here!)
Usually, if a Gentile starts talking about converting to Judaism, they will try to encourage them to take up Noachism instead. They will tell you that whether you take it up or not, that is the standard that you will be judged by, while thay are judged by the taryag (613) that was given at Mt. Sinai.
Bruce

[easttndoc]

The Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah.
B'nai Noach
Judaism teaches that the law is not for Gentiles, and it is not proper for Gentiles to follow the law. That God gave the law to Jews, and Jews only and that they will be judged on how they keep the law.
This does not put Gentiles in the cold.
Judaism teaches that God will judge Gentiles on seven basic laws of mankind.
They use verses that speak about the righteos among the nations to (and a few others) to justify tha belief.
So...Judaism teaches that you can even be of a different religion and still have a place in the world to come. As long as you only worship God in that religion. Or it is not a religion of many Gods, which is how they view Christianity because of the way the trinity is presented. They even feel that the Muslum religion is okay, as long within that religion, you are following and not breaking the seven laws.
A rejection Of Yeshua is a must to be a Noachide. (no can do here!)
Usually, if a Gentile starts talking about converting to Judaism, they will try to encourage them to take up Noachism instead. They will tell you that whether you take it up or not, that is the standard that you will be judged by, while thay are judged by the taryag (613) that was given at Mt. Sinai.
Bruce

Thanks Bruce, that is very helpful!

[Tishri1]

I was frequenting a couple of Jewish sites for a friend of mine and yes the B'nai Noach were semi- Torah Observers who rejected Yeshua, they seemed like a group of people who were always on the outside (Of Judiasm) though:sigh: (have you ever been apart of a group that were the "in" group but you always felt just on the "outside" of them...yeh that's how I would describe these folks).

The Jews accepted them but were always telling them what they could not do, cuz only JEWS could do the whole Torah. They made it seem like they were doing these gentiles a favor by not requiring them to do so much... but then they always talked about "the stuff/activities" these gentiles were forbidden to do:(

The B'nai Noach, on the otherhand; would either talk bout the seven things they could do or try to figure out what they weren't suppose to do, or maybe they could if they didn't do it a certain way:scratch: ...

OR talk about their desire to Prostilatise/Convert (no wonder:doh:).

It just reminded me of JR High when your whole Identity is wrapped up in whether the Popular Kids liked you or not...ABBA isn't like that and that is why I got that weird feeling when I was there:sick:

[talmidim]

I am surprised that no one here has listed the Noachide laws and the scripture references from which they are drawn. Strange for this group... ;)

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

The Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah.
B'nai Noach
Judaism teaches that the law(Torah) is not for Gentiles, and it is not proper for Gentiles to follow the law. That God gave the law to Jews, and Jews only and that they will be judged on how they keep the law.
This does not put Gentiles in the cold.
Judaism teaches that God will judge Gentiles on seven basic laws of mankind.
They use verses that speak about the righteos among the nations to (and a few others) to justify tha belief.
So...Judaism teaches that you can even be of a different religion and still have a place in the world to come. As long as you only worship God in that religion. Or it is not a religion of many Gods, which is how they view Christianity because of the way the trinity is presented. They even feel that the Muslum religion is okay, as long within that religion, you are following and not breaking the seven laws.
A rejection Of Yeshua is a must to be a Noachide. (no can do here!)
Usually, if a Gentile starts talking about converting to Judaism, they will try to encourage them to take up Noachism instead. They will tell you that whether you take it up or not, that is the standard that you will be judged by, while thay are judged by the taryag (613) that was given at Mt. Sinai.
Bruce

Please read the page on Noahide Laws defined on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide)

I don't see any where that it says you have to reject Yeshua to be considered a Righteous Gentile.


Shalom,

Tag

[Sephania]

I do not believe in the "Noachide laws", when stated they really are manmade doctrine, using scriptural backup, almost as bad as replacement theology.

[Bruce101]

Please read the page on Noahide Laws defined on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide)

I don't see any where that it says you have to reject Yeshua to be considered a Righteous Gentile.


Shalom,

Tag


Avodah zarah - Do not worship false gods.


Birkat Hashem - Do not blaspheme.
Ignore the number 1's, I cant't make them go away.
Since Yeshua is worshipped as a god, it violates Avodah zarah
and worshipping one that is considered equal with Adonai Elohim is a blaspheming (sp) it is in violation of Birkat Hashem.
Bruce

[Bruce101]

The main problem is that Judaism does not believe in a "Son of God" therefore the rejection of Yeshua. What Judaism teaches and what the TNK says may be different from each other. No man, including Messiah (according to Judaism) can be elevated to equality with YHVH.
They way Christianity presents Yeshua as trinity is not correct (in my view) and therefore Judaism believes that we believe in three gods.
Hence, the rejection of a B'nai Noach that believes in Yeshua.
Of coarse we know there are none righteous in of themselves, so the term "Righteous Gentile" would be moot anyway.
Bruce

[Tishri1]

after reading your post Bruce all those #1's seem to fit

[visionary]

There is the political movement afoot that promotes the Noahide Laws for mankind.

Proclamation 5463 -- Education Day, U.S.A., 1986
April 19, 1986
By the President of the United States

of America

A Proclamation

From earliest colonial days, Americans have always known that education is the golden key that opens the door to achievement and progress. This Administration has placed renewed emphasis on excellence in education, and already the results are encouraging. By setting high standards we challenge the young to stretch their mental muscles and strive to achieve the best that is in them. Such an education succeeds because it makes learning an adventure.

Education is like a diamond with many facets: it includes the basic mastery of numbers and letters that give us access to the treasury of human knowledge, accumulated and refined through the ages; it includes technical and vocational training as well as instruction in science, higher mathematics, and humane letters. But no true education can leave out the moral and spiritual dimensions of human life and human striving. Only education that addresses this dimension can lead to that blend of compassion, humility, and understanding that is summed up in one word: wisdom.

``Happy the man,'' Scripture tells us, ``who finds wisdom. . . . Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to those who come to possess her.''

The Congress has sought to call attention to these durable values by adopting resolutions that pay tribute to the example of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, a man who has dedicated his life to the search for wisdom and to guiding others along its pathways. He exemplifies the rich tradition of the Seven Noahide Laws, which have been the lodestar of the Lubavitch movement from its inception.

In recognition of Rabbi Schneerson's noble achievements and in celebration of his 84th birthday, the Congress, by House Joint Resolution 582, has designated April 20 as ``Education Day, U.S.A.'' and authorized and requested the President to issue an appropriate proclamation in observance of this event.

Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim Sunday, April 20, 1986, as Education Day, U.S.A., and I call upon the people of the United States, and in particular our teachers and other educational leaders, to observe that day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.

In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this nineteenth day of April, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-six, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and tenth.

Ronald Reagan

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:26 a.m., April 21, 1986]And you thought it had to do with the school education program.

[visionary]

The Seven Noahide Commandments

As we said, the seven Noahide commandments correspond to the seven emotive powers of the soul. These, in turn, correspond to the seven major parts of the body.

Sefirah
Commandment
Body part

chesed
"loving kindness"
prohibition against
adultery
right
arm

gevurah
"might"
prohibition against
murder
left
arm

tiferet
"beauty"
prohibition against
theft
torso

netzach
"victory," "eternity"
prohibition against
idol worship
right
leg

hod
"splendor," "acknowledgment," "thanksgiving"
prohibition against blasphemy
left leg

yesod
"foundation"
prohibition against eating flesh torn from a live animal or drinking its blood
organ of procreation

malchut
"kingdom"
establishing a legal system
mouth


http://www.inner.org/noahide/noach3.htm

What has the world politics bought into now with this noahide laws?

Lubavitcher Rebbe has explained based on multiple Torah sources, including the Rambam (see Likkutei Sichos, vol. 26, page 134), rabbinical courts are forbidden to accept registration of any Ger Toshav until the religious laws of the Jubilee Year are in force, which will occur only after the establishment of the kingdom of Moshiach. Thus there is currently no possibility for Noahides to achieve the status of Ger Toshav.

http://www.noahide.com/affirmation.htm

"Therefore my judgment is that we don't trouble those from among the Gentiles who turn to God ..... For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay no greater burden on you than these necessary things: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality, from which if you keep yourselves, it will be well with you. Farewell" -- (Acts 15:19, 28-29).

"Seven commandments were the sons of Noah commanded: (1) concerning adjudication, (2) and concerning idolatry, (3) and concerning blasphemy, (4) and concerning sexual immorality, (5) and concerning bloodshed, (6) and concerning robbery, (7) and concerning a limb torn from a living animal" -- (Talmud Sanh.56a).

"This obligation, to teach all the peoples of the earth about the Laws of Noah, is incumbent upon every individual in every era" -- (Mishnah Torah, Law of Kings 8:10).

[visionary]

http://watch.pair.com/law.html#freemason

On May 25, 1993 the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution establishing the an International Criminal Tribunal. While claiming to act under "under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations", the Security Council, in creating the ICT, violated the U.N. Charter, which states that the Council has no competence whatsoever in judicial matters. According to the president of the International Progress Organization, an NGO (non-governmental organization) which has worked in various associations with the United Nations for almost 30 years: "The provisions of Chapter VII determine the Council's competence in matters of international security but not in matters of criminal justice or other judicial matters. The sole authority in international judicial matters rests with the International Court of Justice."

In ratifying the treaty required to establish an International Criminal Court, the following broad parameters were presented by the U.N. in a 16 June 2000 press release:

"The Rules of Procedure and Evidence cover such issues as composition and administration of the Court, penalties for crimes, obligations of international cooperation and assistance, as well as enforcement of sentences. On the matter of crimes initially within the Court’s jurisdiction -- genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity -- the Commission is working to identify what elements would constitute those crimes and would need to be proven in order to obtain convictions. In the category of crimes against humanity, it is discussing such crimes as murder, enslavement, extermination, persecution, disappearance and sexual crimes."

Subsequently, in the war crimes trial of Slobodan Miloshevich (Milosevic) and other Serbian government leaders, the International Criminal Tribunal (ICTY) has begun to exercise its global jurisdiction over individuals without the encumbrance of a Constitution, Bill of Rights or even a common law tradition. Jared Israel writes in Back to the Dark Ages? of the Star Chamber methods used therein:
"Star Chamber [definition]
Star Chamber (stär) noun
1. A 15th-century to 17th-century English court consisting of judges who were appointed by the Crown and sat in closed session on cases involving state security.
2. star chamber (stär chAm¹ber). A court or group that engages in secret, harsh, or arbitrary procedures.

[So called because the ceiling of the original courtroom was decorated with stars.]''

"In the Introduction to 'Scandal In the Hague' (1) I commented that the perversion of justice embodied in the War Crimes Tribunal is an attempt to politically shatter and demonize the Bosnian Serbs. On reflection, it is more. By endorsing Star Chamber methods, including the use of secret witnesses, the denial of the defense's right to cross-examine, the holding of defendants for indefinite periods without recourse, and by trumpeting these methods as a breakthrough for international law, I believe the

Tribunal foreshadows the Western elite's judicial goals for the 21st century.
"Shall we ignore this? To put matters bluntly: Rome is burning. Shall we fiddle? Shall we allow the power elite in the US, Britain and a few other Western countries to turn back the clock, to recreate the Dark Ages in modern dress?

"The standards applied in the War Crimes Tribunal, described by Christopher Black in 'An Impartial Tribunal? Really?' (4) and by Prof. Cavoski in 'Learning from the Inquisition' (5) have been imported to Kosovo where the courts are openly modeled after the Tribunal. If Kosovo, why not all of Serbia? Why not the rest of the world?"

Speaking at the August 11, 2000 session of the ICC's Preparatory Committee, Judge Gabrielle Kirk McDonald, President of the Hague Tribunal, urged that the ICC's authorizing statute "should be one of principle and not of detail.... [It should] be a flexible statute based on principles which may be developed by the Court as circumstances require while still providing sufficient guidance to establish an international framework within which the Court can work." {The Winds Org}

The formulation of a body of moral principles to govern mankind is currently the objective of a worldwide, multicultural and religio-political network that is working diligently to hasten mankind's return to the Natural Law. This many-faceted movement is demanding that entire nations submit to a set of principles variously termed the Noahide Laws, the Moral Law, Natural Law, Universal Law, etc. Such a movement would normally not concern Christians, who are required under most circumstances to obey the laws of those in governmental authority. However, this movement is not working exclusively outside the pale of Christianity, but has infiltrated and is using the Christian Church to establish its global governing apparatus.

On March 4, Christian radio stations nationwide aired an address to the Council for National Policy by James Dobson, President of Focus on the Family. Expressing his determination to do whatever is necessary to restore the observance of "moral law," Dr. Dobson reasoned that, since God created Wisdom before He created anything else, the Moral Law is the law of the Universe. The identical appeal for nations to be governed by "natural law" and "moral law" has historically been made by the Orders of Freemasonry. Commenting on Dobson's presentation to the CNP, Chey Simonton perceptively noted its Masonic quality:

"On the whole, there is very scant evidence that would convict him of being a 'Christian' in this speech. There is, however, considerable evidence that would tend to convict him of 'freemasonry....

"References the 'moral law of the universe' or 'moral law' 11 times in the speech. No mention of the word 'sin'....

"Recognizes the audience, 'I sense that most of you are deeply committed Christians; but, that's probably not true of all of you.' It is well-known the CNP membership includes 33rd degree masons (Helms, Kemp and probably Willard Garvey) and many 'christians' who work for and/or with Sun Myung Moon organizations (Gary Jarmin, Howard Phillips, Robert Grant, Richard Viguerie, Paul Weyrich, Ron Godwin, the LaHayes, Gary Bauer, etc.). Additionally, Phyllis Schlafly and David Balsiger (publisher of the "Christian Scorecard" ) have had past relationships with Elizabeth Clare Prophet's Church Universal and Triumphant leadership.

"Very Masonic presentation that emphasizes 'moral law of the universe' and 'wisdom'. No direct reference to Jesus Christ. His only reference to Jesus is oblique, 'the Holy One of Israel'. References 'people of faith' that would cover any religion including Unificationism, Islam, Buddhism, etc."

The demand for universal law is also emanating from the worldwide Lubavitch movement, the Unification Church of Sun Myung Moon (which has close ties to the Council for National Policy), and the many groups represented within the CNP, such as Christian Reconstructionists, Moral Re-Armament, Knights of Malta, Opus Dei, etc. The insidious legalism and Kabbalism of the Chabad Lubavitch movement has also entered the Church disguised as the Hebraic Roots Movement.

Although Christians are to obey the secular authorities when it does not require them to disobey God, they are not called to establish the Old Testament or any other form of moral law to govern mankind. Nor is the Church of Jesus Christ itself under the Old Testament Law, but under Grace. (Romans 6:14) The Church Age -- the Age of Grace -- will come to a close with the Rapture of the Church, and the 70th week Daniel will commence God's dealings with the nation of Israel under the Mosaic Law. (Dan. 9:27) In his defense of Dispensational Theology, the late Miles Stanford wrote, "...the key to Dispensationalism is the total distinction between Israel and the Church, and thereby, Law and Grace."

"Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer’s warning sets our guidelines at the very outset.

"'Christianity is totally opposite to Judaism and any mixture of the two must result in the loss of all that is vital in the present plan of Salvation. One made its appeal to the limited resources of the natural man and conditioned his life on the earth; the other sets aside the natural man, secures a whole new creation in Christ Jesus, and counsels that new being in his pilgrim journey to his heavenly home.' (The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, p. 64)

"It would seem, however, that ever since Dr. Chafer’s homegoing in 1952, there has been a steady decline of dispensational distinctiveness among the theologians of our leading seminaries, and therefore throughout our sound churches."

[visionary]

There is a lot of different thought on Noahide and the Last generation also.....

Ours is the last generation of the era of sin and evil and the first of the Messianic Era. Indeed, for the first time in history, there is a growing consensus of leading rabbis willing to name the man most suited to be the Messiah, and they are agreeing that he is the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson. The Rebbe is the spiritual leader of our generation, having boldly stirred up controversy over vital issues in which other leaders have remained tragically silent or have even caved in to the growing forces of darkness. He has upheld the Law perfectly and has worked mightily to strengthen the observance of the Law by Jews, as well as the observance of the Noachide Law by gentiles. Through his teaching of chasidus (Jewish mystical teachings, preserved from Moses and Mount Sinai), he has taught the world that G-d is One, the Infinite Who renews creation at every moment. The Rebbe is a direct descendant of King David and has received a true prophecy from G-d that we who are alive in this generation shall be the first in history to see the coming of the true messiah. Many Jews are eagerly anticipating the Rebbe's resurrection from the grave, ready to re-establish the Sanhedrin and anoint the king.http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm

[visionary]

The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Noahide Laws in legislation which was passed by both houses. Congress and the President of the United States, George Bush, indicated in Public Law 102-14, 102nd Congress, that the United States of America was founded upon the Seven Universal Laws of Noah, and that these Laws have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization. They also acknowledged that the Seven Laws of Noah are the foundation upon which civilization stands and that recent weakening of these principles threaten the fabric of civilized society, and that justified preoccupation in educating the Citizens of the United States of America and future generations is needed. For this purpose, this Public Law designated March 26, 1991 as Education Day, U.S.A.

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/7lawcomm.html

[visionary]

The Seven Laws for Mankind
You shall practice equity, establish and promote justice
You shall not commit Idolatry
You shall not commit Blasphemy
You shall not commit Sexual Immorality
You shall not commit Murder
You shall not commit Theft
You shall not eat the limb torn from a live animal. Flesh with the life of it, the blood of it, you shall not eat.
Did you notice that in the seven laws of Noahide there is only one law regarding your relationship to God? Do not worship idols.

[visionary]

Freemason author, Albert Mackey (33°):

"The precepts of the patriarch Noah, which were preserved as the Constitutions of our ancient brethren ... The 'proselytes of the gate', as the Jews termed those who lived among them without undergoing circumcision or observing the ceremonial law, were bound to obey the seven precepts of Noah. The Talmud says that the first six of these precepts were given originally by God to Adam and the seventh afterward to Noah. These precepts were designed to be obligatory on all the Noachidae or descendants of Noah, and consequently, from the time of Moses, the Jews would not suffer (allow) a stranger to live among them unless he observed these precepts and never gave quarter in battle to an enemy who was ignorant of them." ["An Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry and Its Kindred Sciences", by Albert G. Mackey, 33°, Volume II, Published by The Masonic History Company, New York, 1878]These seven laws were "preserved as the Constitutions of our ancient brethren", which simply means they were "preserved" and handed down by secret societies. This fact should tell us that the origin of the Noahide Laws is as much Illuminist and as much Antichrist oriented as is Freemasonry.

The "proselytes of the gate" who are "bound to obey the seven precepts of Noah" are clearly Gentiles, as they are further identified as "without undergoing circumcision or observing the ceremonial law". Please remember this fact: the Noahide Laws are based in Illuminist doctrine and are to be meant only for Gentiles. So what happened to the believers who are to be priest and kings with Yeshua.... are they not to keep the Levitical priesthood laws??? What happened to all are equal in the eyes of God??

The penalty for violating any of these Noahide Laws is spelled out on page 1192 of the Encyclopedia Judaica, "... violation of any one of the seven laws subjects the Noahide to capital punishment by decapitation." Wow, in other words, if one person steps forward to accuse a Gentile of violating any one of these seven laws, that testimony alone would be enough to decapitate the accused. A person could be put to death for the flimsy accusation of being cruel to animals, and based solely on the lying testimony of one person!! Notice, there is no assumption of innocence until proven guilty, nor of the prosecution having to prove their case. No, on the accusation of just one person, the accused may be legally decapitated.

These seven supposed universal laws, according to the Encyclopedia Americana, p. 737, state that they are "a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently, binding upon all mankind."

[visionary]

The Talmud also states the penalty for disobedience: "One additional element of greater severity is that violation of any one of the seven laws subjects the Noahide to capital punishment by decapitation. (Sanh. 57A)"

(Talmud - Sukkah 52a). With the end of free will, the opportunity to earn reward and enhance one's portion in the World to Come will also cease -- forever.

Rv:20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Maimonides Mishnah Torah, in Chapter 10 of the English Translation, states concerning Jesus Christ:

"It is a mitzvah [religious duty; ARC], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot." 6.

[visionary]

What do Zionists say about the Noahide laws?

http://www.wzo.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=1832

The Torah sets out the category of ger toshav, a gentile, who has accepted before a Jewish court to live according to the Noahide laws on the basis of the Torah given by Moses, and may live in the land. It is incumbent upon Jews to take active measures to “sustain” the ger toshav. Maimonides writes that the practice of the formal declaration and acceptance of the ger toshav is possible only at a time when the laws of the Jubilee year (the fiftieth year, in which land returns to its original owners) are observed. This observance in turn depends upon the settlement of the land of Israel by the entire Jewish people according to their tribes. At such a time, conversely, the Jewish people are not to tolerate idolatry of any sort, or its adherents, in their land.

[visionary]

In Matrix III, Val Valerian says:

" . . . the Noahide Laws apply only to non-Jews living under Jewish jurisdiction. Interestingly, Webster's Dictionary, New International Edition 2nd Ed 1950, states that a Noachite is 'one who has taken the 21st degree of the Scottish Rite (Freemasonry).'"

[visionary]

Lubavitch Noahide site include the following by Yitzchok Dovid Smith, Esq., who speaks of:

". . . the Torah mandated role of Judaism as the only true religion for all of mankind, either as Jews or as Bnai Noach."

(The "Bnai Noach" are the "children of Noah," i.e., Gentiles who adhere to the Noahide Laws.)

Smith continues:

"There is no room for dialogue with other religions, for the ‘purification of Christianity’ or lost-ten-tribes theology. These falsehoods . . . are destructive anti-Torah viewpoints. The Rambam [Schneerson] writes that the time will come when Christians and Muslims will realize that their religions are false, and fault their forefathers for teaching it to them. They will accept the One G-d of the Jewish people, and all other religions, in any form or variation, will be abolished in their entirety. The time for this is now, and all other approaches only are intended to delay the revelation of the absolute Truth of Torah in the entire world." (Emphasis added.)

And another Lubavitcher article, "The Final War for Jerusalem," proclaims:

"In reality, neither the Jewish people nor the gentiles support the betrayal of Israel, and essentially all six billion gentiles are quite ready to ask the Jews for spiritual leadership in these times of darkness. . . .

"Judaism has always been a conquering religion, not for the purpose of converting gentiles to become Jews, but rather with the mission of returning the world to the universal covenant between G-d and Noah. For halachic reasons too numerous and detailed to list here, gentiles today who follow Christianity, Islam, or other religions are not, for the most part, "righteous gentiles" who inherit the World to Come. That status belongs only to those gentiles who carefully observe the Seven Laws of Noah, including following the halachic authority of the oral Torah and the rabbis. . . .

"And as the Lubavitcher Rebbe has explained, by transforming the gentiles we can quickly create a vast army of supporters who will help us reveal Moshiach and bring all Jews back to the Torah. Specifically, the Rebbe has emphasized that the "peace process" in Israel will be defeated only through our influence on the gentiles--especially through the campaign to teach the Noachide Laws . . .

"Our most pressing task, to put it simply, is to launch an international Noachide revolution without delay. The process has already begun, with dozens of tiny Noachide communities having appeared throughout the United States, generally composed of former Christians who have abandoned that religion. . . .

". . . the growing Noachide movement will seize political power--using only peaceful, lawful means--in the capitals of the Western nations. This, of course, will not take place until the Noachide society has grown to some threshold size. We do not know how large this needs to be nor which nations will join the revolution first, although the United States, as a fairly religious, conservative nation, certainly tops the list of prospects." (Emphasis added.)

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

You sure did a lot of work there visionary. :wave:

This sure is deep reading or rather hard to understand. Maybe even confusing to some, me to in some areas.

Shalom,

Tag

[Mikhail]

The Nochide laws as we have seen thanks to visionary is steeped in the Babylonian system of worship.

The whole gospel as I am understanding it more and more is that Israel was meant to take the law of YHWH to the nations it was their failure to do this that brought judgement on ancient Israel. Then the renewed covenant at the coming of Yeshua was to do the same again the Babylonian system of man's way of worship and rejection of Torah beguiled the message again.

That is why it says the she (Mystery Babylon) makes ware against those that have the testimony of Yeshua and hold to (keep) the commandments of Eloah.

The Torah Observant Messiainic are the most hated they were by the gentile roman christians in the 2nd century and so too today.

Torah Observant Messiainic reject the Rabbinical Lies of the Talmud and authority of the Oral Law.
they teach Torah is beholden to the beleiver in Messiah so they are hated by the Roman Catholics and her Roman Protestant daughters as well.

Mikhail