Isis/Osiris myth in Christian/Jewish Theology?

[EchadHashem]

Quick question. Is there not an element of the Osiris/Isis myth in Christian/Jewish Theology?

1. Eretz Yisreal is the mother of the Moshiach.
2. Eretz Yisreal is the bride of the Moshaich.

Help me sort this out please. Very disturbed by this.

Shalom.

[simchat_torah]

I have heard of ties of the trinity to Osiris/Isis, but never to Jewish theology.

1. Eretz Yisreal is the mother of the Moshiach.
2. Eretz Yisreal is the bride of the Moshaich.

Help me sort this out please. Very disturbed by this.
I simply don't see a correlation here between what you've listed and Osiris/Isis. Am I missing something?

:confused:

[Henaynei]

Quick question. Is there not an element of the Osiris/Isis myth in Christian/Jewish Theology?

1. Eretz Yisreal is the mother of the Moshiach.
2. Eretz Yisreal is the bride of the Moshaich.

Help me sort this out please. Very disturbed by this.

Shalom.
NO where that I know of is Eretz Yisrael depicted as the mother of Moshiakh - if you know of any please quote chapter and verse

NO where that I know of is Eretz Yisrael depicted as the bride of Moshiakh - again if you know of any please quote chapter and verse.

There are numerous verses where HaShem calles the *people* of Israel His bride. That is rather a different thing.

b'Shalom
Henaynei

[EchadHashem]

Simcat Torah:
The Isis/Osiris/Horus myth is that Isis is the wife and mother of Osiris. (Technically her son is named Horus but the "belief" was that he was Osiris reborn!....thus, the myth is that Isis is but mother and wife to the same individual). This particular cultish belief is found in almost every culture (albiet with these main characters having different names). Thus, it is surprising to see a hint of it...if there is a hint to be found...in the sod level meanings of our beliefs. If Yeshua is the bridegroom and we are the bride......and if we are the one "in pangs to be delivered" which most rabbis link to the "time of the Messiah" then we seem to have a situation where we are both the bride and the wife of Yeshua. hmmm...

See Rev 12 for derivation of Eretz Yisreal as the mother of Yeshua. See Rev 19-22 for derivation of Eretz Yisreal as the bride of Yeshua. However, let me think about your point Henaynei...hadn't really thought about differentiating it that way before. Also, Rev 19-22 talks about the "New Jerusalem" in terms of the bride. Perhaps this is part of the resolution too. It just seems to me that my whole concept was that the Torah Covenant was a Ketuba between the Shikina (Yeshua) and Eretz Yisreal. Perhaps, I need to rethink this position also. hmmmm.....

Let me find some Tanach refs.

Shalom.

[visionary]

Woman that gave birth was old covenant, old testament, Virgin Mary... the bride are those that are alive and waiting for the second coming, they are the 144,000 pure and virgin. Two different groups

Shalom
Visionary

[koilias]

The symbolism in Revelation is not meant to be taken literally...You can't use it to make one to one correlations bearing on theosophy...Rather you need Jewish theosophy to understand Revelation in its correct light. Just like the female figures in Isaiah's prophesies these female figures represent nations, not personas! Of course, gnostics and Hellenistic influenced Christians read actual female personas into the text, but this is never how Jews read the Tenach.

Btw, the bride in Revelation is a city, the New Jerusalem, IN WHICH the people of G-d dwell. The city has the dimensions of a perfect cube...In early Judaism, this symbolized the Holy of Holies, since it is a perfect cube. The reason the city needs no temple is because it is THE Holy of Holies, which is completely infused by the Presence of G-d. Mystically, New Jerusalem would more correctly represent the Shekinah.

[simchat_torah]

Echad HaShem,

a few problems achi...

#1) As Henaynei pointed out, ERETZ Israel is never depicted as the "mother" of Ha Moshiach.

#2) I believe you are misinterpreting the applications of the prophecies in question (this is up to debate).

#3) Osiris and Isis have literal doctrines stated about their nature as dieties. In contrast, these prophecies from the Tenach and Brit Chadasha are symbollic in nature and not literal. Prophetic language is often symbollic and rarely is to be taken in literal form. When one takes it in literal form, very weird and odd doctrines arise (thus we have mormons, etc).

#4) Something that hasn't been brought up yet... Often HaSatan attempts to reflect the nature of G-d... in other words, HaSatan often tries to immitate G-d. When you see a prophetic gift given by Ruach HaKodesh, you will see a manipulated reflection of that in the satanic realm.

These are but a few points running through my head right now that would throw a wrench into this whole mess. I'm sure there will be more brought up by the posters here, but I merely wanted to toss those out right away.

shalom,
yafet

[koilias]

#3) Osiris and Isis have literal doctrines stated about their nature as dieties. In contrast, these prophecies from the Tenach and Brit Chadasha are symbollic in nature and not literal. Prophetic language is often symbollic and rarely is to be taken in literal form. When one takes it in literal form, very weird and odd doctrines arise (thus we have mormons, etc).
Exactly, Achi, exactly.

Too often we take Biblical prophecy (most especially Revelation) too literally...whereas we should be reading it symbolically to understand the deeper insights. This leads to quite odd ways of thinking about the book, which are usually completely misunderstanding it.

Most people who speculate and try to "interpret" Revelation have no clue how prophetic language functions! First of all, they are often TOO unaware that the writers and speakers in Revelation have the Tenakh memorized, and are literally quoting the Tenach to speak in code to Jews. Anybody who has memorized the Tenakh thoroughly, especially Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel will immediately recognize how the authors are citing specific bits of Scripture throughout the entire book.

Not understanding the richness of the symbolism, people easily overlook the deeper meanings. For example, the prophetess "Jezebel" in the letter to the Thyatirans is not an actual person or actual "adulteress". She is the city of Thyatira herself! It is Thyatirans that are causing the faithful to stumble. Yeshua calls her "Jezebel" in order to get his point across scripturally. Jews would have immediately picked up on his subtle references to Isaiah's depiction of Babylon (the Whore) and would have understood immediately that he was describing their city similarly!