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[Ahavah]

What does this mean to you?
2 Corinthians 3: 1 - 18

1 Are we starting to recommend ourselves again? Or do we, like some, need letters of recommendation either to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone.3 You make it clear that you are a letter from the Messiah placed in our care, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on stone tablets but on human hearts.

4 Such is the confidence we have through the Messiah toward God. 5 It is not that we are competent in ourselves to count anything as having come from us; on the contrary, our competence is from God.

6 He has even made us competent to be workers serving a New Covenant, the essence of which is not a written text but the Spirit. For the written text brings death, but the Spirit gives life.

7 Now if that which worked death, by means of a written text engraved on stone tablets, came with glory - such glory that the people of Isra'el could not stand to look at Moshe's face because of its brightness, even though that brightness was already fading away -

8 won't the working of the Spirit be accompanied by even greater glory? 9 For if there was glory in what worked to declare people guilty, how much more must the glory abound in what works to declare people innocent! 10 In fact, by comparison with this greater glory, what was made glorious before has no glory now. 11 For if there was glory in what faded away, how much more glory must there be in what lasts.

12 Therefore, with a hope like this, we are very open - 13 unlike Moshe, who put a veil over his face, so that the people of Isra'el would not see the fading brightness come to an end.

14 What is more, their minds were made stonelike; for to this day the same veil remains over them when they read the Old Covenant; it has not been unveiled, because only by the Messiah is the veil taken away.

15 Yes, till today, whenever Moshe is read, a veil lies over their heart.

16 "But," says the Torah, "whenever someone turns to ADONAI, the veil is taken away."a 17 Now, "ADONAI" in this text means the Spirit. And where the Spirit of ADONAI is, there is freedom.
18 So all of us, with faces unveiled, see as in a mirror the glory of the Lord; and we are being changed into his very image, from one degree of glory to the next, by ADONAI the Spirit.

[Shimshon]

Remove the veil so my eyes may see!!! Remove the veil that my eyes may see your beauty and your glory my LORD!!! Salvation spring up from the ground, rent the heavens and come down. Seek the lost and heal the lame Yeshua bring Glory to your name!

YOU are a living letter, if the Word is enscribed upon your heart!! You are the Temple of YHVH where his Ruach resides in union with Yeshua, who is our Cohen HaGadol. Our lives are a living sacrifice given upon the altar of YHVH. Yeshua is the light of the world, all who live in union with him do not live in shadows or under a veil but in the True Light of his Torah. Our eyes have been opened to behold WONDEROUS things from his instructions. With Yeshua the veil is removed. And the light has come upon us.

[Ahavah]

Amen:thumbsup:

[jontinoregon]

Through Yeshua we beocme in our hearts the kind of people the Torah tells us we are and we no longer through our flesh strive to obey the Law, but we obey out of love for Father and Yeshua and because He removes the veil and we see who we really are, the household of God. when we are part of the household, we follow the rules of house because it is who we are and are becoming line upon line, precept upon precept.:clap: and we rejoice in our new life.

[Shimshon]

2 Cor 5:

1 We know that when the tent which houses us here on earth is torn down, we have a permanent building from God, a building not made by human hands, to house us in heaven.

And we know that when the Tent of Meeting, the Temple which houses the presence of YHVH here on earth is torn down, we have a permanent building from YHVH in heaven.

2 For in this tent, our earthly body, we groan with desire to have around us the home from heaven that will be ours. 3 With this around us we will not be found naked.

Our nakedness comes from not having our desire for our heavenly home.

4 Yes, while we are in this body, we groan with the sense of being oppressed: it is not so much that we want to take something off, but rather to put something on over it; so that what must die may be swallowed up by the Life.

It's not that we wan't to say the Torah is done away with, or abolished, but rather that something has been put over it; namely the promise of Yeshua. So that what must die, our earthly tabernacle, both flesh and Temple, may be swallowed up in Life, in Yeshua.

5 Moreover, it is God who has prepared us for this very thing, and as a pledge he has given us his Spirit.

YHVH has instructed us on this promise since the beginning.

6 So we are always confident - we know that so long as we are at home in the body, we are away from our home with the Lord; 7 for we live by trust, not by what we see.

As long as we live in these temporal (temporary) bodies, worshiping in a temporal Temple we are not in union with this Spirit. We Trust and have Faith that these temporary things are patterns and shadows of real eternal beings. Just like our bodies house the presence of YHVH yet dies, so too the Temple housed the presence of YHVH and was destroyed. And from it's death came forth life eternal. Yeshua. I use the term 'death' as an analogy, not a 'reality'. Though in reality it was a temporary state to bring about the permenant state of eternal life. If you will trust.

8 We are confident, then, and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and come to our home with the Lord.

So we who are confident in this, who have trusting faithfullness in the promised coming of the Holy One prefer to leave this life, and this temporal way of worship and come to our heavenly eternal home with Yeshua.

We live in hope of the things to come, not in the fading glory of a temporary earthly Temple (body/building) but in the coming glory of eternal Life in Yeshua.

[Shimshon]

The (Torah) rules defined that Adonai will abandon his watchtower he placed in the middle of the vineyard because they refuse the Good News about his son and the Torah he would give us. He will give the vineyard to those who do not reject the message. The rules said righteousness comes by Faith in Yeshua not in doing works of the law. The law lead to Yeshua, the laws are covered by Yeshua. Yeshua does not lead one to the Law. Yeshua covers the law with himself, he is our kapparah for sins. The law revealed sin to everyone, Yeshua reveals Life to everyone. Torah leads to Yeshua, Yeshua does not lead to us back in to bondage of a custodian. He does not make us children not ready for the inheritence. He makes us 'grown' children, ready to receive all he has been waiting to bestow upon us. Spirit, not flesh. Righteousness, not works. Those who were given no Torah at all ARE LIVING TORAH when they do naturally what YHVH desires. Do naturally what he desires. When did he 'desire' burnt offerings and sacrifices? He never desired these things as they are. He desired you to learn the message of them. What they patterned, what they shadowed. Yeshua, Faith, Love, Mercy, Hope........ Not ritual observances. That even TORAH says is a temporary phase of his fulfilling act of redemption.

WHY must people kill the prophets still this day by standing on one part of Torah and railing a sword through the prophet when he witnesses the other parts? Many quote 'some' Torah well, how about the WHOLE of it?


Yesha'yahu 8:9 You may make an uproar, peoples; but you will be shattered. Listen, all of you from distant lands: arm yourselves, but you will be shattered; yes, arm yourselves, but you will be shattered; 10 devise a plan, but it will come to nothing; say anything you like, but it won't happen; because God is with us. 11 For this is what ADONAI said to me, speaking with a strong hand, warning me not to live the way this people does: 12 "Don't regard as alliance what this people calls alliance, and don't fear what they fear or be awestruck by it; 13 but ADONAI-Tzva'ot - consecrate him! Let him be the object of your fear and awe! 14 He is there to be a sanctuary. But for both the houses of Isra'el he will be a stone to stumble over, a rock obstructing their way; a trap and a snare for the inhabitants of Yerushalayim. 15 Many of them will stumble and fall, be broken and trapped and captured.




Hosea 6:4-11 4 "Efrayim, what should I do to you? Y'hudah, what should I do to you? For your 'faithful love' is like a morning cloud, like dew that disappears quickly. 5 This is why I have cut them to pieces by the prophets, slaughtered them with the words from my mouth - the judgment on you shines out like light. 6 For what I desire is mercy, not sacrifices, knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Amos 5:21 "I hate, I utterly loathe your festivals; I take no pleasure in your solemn assemblies. 22 If you offer me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them; nor will I consider the peace offerings of your stall-fed cattle. 23 Spare me the noise of your songs! I don't want to hear the strumming of your lutes! 24 Instead, let justice well up like water, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.

Malachi 3:6 "But because I, ADONAI, do not change, you sons of Ya'akov will not be destroyed.
7 Since the days of your forefathers you have turned from my laws and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you," says ADONAI-Tzva'ot. "But you ask, 'In respect to what are we supposed to return?'


16 Then those who feared ADONAI spoke together; and ADONAI listened and heard. A record book was written in his presence for those who feared ADONAI and had respect for his name. 17 "They will be mine," says ADONAI-Tzva'ot, "on the day when I compose my own special treasure. I will spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him. 18 Then once again you will see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between the person who serves God and one that doesn't serve him.


Bringing the "whole" tithe is equal to understanding the "whole" Torah (Yeshua) not just the works involved with it. Speaking against YHVH is done when you proclaim that which he did not. Like the continuation of a covenant that has seen it's appointed time.

[aleph-bet]

Torah leads to Yeshua, Yeshua does not lead to us back in to bondage of a custodian. He does not make us children not ready for the inheritence. He makes us 'grown' children, ready to receive all he has been waiting to bestow upon us. Spirit, not flesh. Righteousness, not works. Those who were given no Torah at all ARE LIVING TORAH when they do naturally what YHVH desires. Do naturally what he desires. When did he 'desire' burnt offerings and sacrifices? He never desired these things as they are. He desired you to learn the message of them. What they patterned, what they shadowed. Yeshua, Faith, Love, Mercy, Hope........ Not ritual observances. That even TORAH says is a temporary phase of his fulfilling act of redemption.

WHY must people kill the prophets still this day by standing on one part of Torah and railing a sword through the prophet when he witnesses the other parts? Many quote 'some' Torah well, how about the WHOLE of it?







:thumbsup: Can anyone else see this?

[visionary]

I see it, but without the Holy Spirit, we are all blind and will not see it in the heavenly light as it really is. We must pray for the eye salve that we may see and have our ears unstopped so that we hear. May the Lord grant us wisdom so that we may truly understand.

[Ahavah]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_18_1.gifPrescription for eye salve.

[visionary]

Yes, May Yeshua, the grand physician take clay and place it upon my eyes and ask me to go to the water of life and wash that I might see.

[Tishri1]

Exodus 34:28 - 35:1 28 So he was there with the LORD (a)forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And (b)he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, (c)the Ten (1)Commandments. 29 And it came about when Moses was coming down from Mount Sinai (and the (a)two tablets of the testimony were in Moses' hand as he was coming down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that (b)the skin of his face shone because of his speaking with Him. 30 So when Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and (a)they were afraid to come near him. Why were they afraid of Moses? They were also afraid of God when He tried to speak directly to them, and He said it was good that Moses was His spokeperson as they should be afraid. And now they are afraid of Moses too? Something about God's voice/presence and Moses' face was too much for them to handle so on goes the veil, and "BOOM!" they don't have to see "that" anymore.They don't have to be afraid anymore 31 Then Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the rulers in the congregation returned to him; and Moses spoke to them. 32 And afterward all the sons of Israel came near, and he commanded them to do everything that the LORD had spoken (1)to him on Mount Sinai. 33 When Moses had finished speaking with them, (a)he put a veil over his face. 34 But whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with Him, (a)he would take off the veil until he came out; and whenever he came out and spoke to the sons of Israel what he had been commanded, 35 (a)the sons of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone. So Moses would replace the veil over his face until he went in to speak with Him.
2 Corinthians 3:7 - 4:6 7 But if the (a)ministry of death, (b)in letters engraved on stones, came (1)with glory, (c)so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how shall the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if (a)the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the b)ministry of righteousness abound in glory. ministry of death,engraved on stone,Israel could not look,the ministry of condemnation,sounds to me like they had something to be rightfully afraid of...to bad too, cuz it also sounds like Moses had something wonderful to call his own, you could see it written all over his face ;) 10 For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory on account of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if that which fades away was (1)with glory, much more that which remains is in glory. 12 (a)Having therefore such a hope, (b)we use great boldness in our speech, 13 and are not as Moses, (a)who used to put a veil over his face that the sons of Israel might not look intently at the end(the goal of the Torah ...Yeshua!) of what was fading away. 14 But their minds were (a)hardened; I think that the moment Moses covered his face the hardening and veil over them was set in place for until this very day at the (b)reading of c)the old covenant the same veil (1)remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 (a)but whenever a man turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where (a)the Spirit of the Lord is, (b)there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face (a)beholding as in a mirror the (b)glory of the Lord, are being (c)transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from d)the Lord, the Spirit. NAS 2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore, since we have this a)ministry, as we (b)received mercy, we (c)do not lose heart, 2 but we have renounced the (a)things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or b)adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth (c)commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even if our a)gospel is (b)veiled, it is veiled (1)to (c)those who are perishing, 4 in whose case a)the god of (b)this (1)world has (c)blinded the minds of the unbelieving, (2)that they might not see the (d)light of the gospel of the (e)glory of Christ, who is the f)image of God. 5 For we (a)do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants (1)for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who said, a)"Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has (b)shone in our hearts to give the (c)light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. Fear and unbelief ruined it for them just as it can ruin it for us today, but faith and trust make us shine in Yeshua:clap:and causes others to see His glory in us that they may believe and be saved:clap:

[visionary]

Amen... it is the glory of the Lord that they could not take.... well how do they think they are going to be able to stand on judgment day if they could even stand to see the glory shine on Moses.

Is it not the same today..... How overwhelmed in our own sins are we, that we can not stand the glory of the Lord if it were to shine upon us today.

It reminds me of the moment when the soldiers came up to Yeshua as Judas gave him the death kiss and they asked if He was the one they were looking for. When He said "I AM"... they were blown away.