This whole predestination but no double predestination. . .

[KagomeShuko]

This gets harder and harder to explain, especially when one of your friends (dave_rainbow) has a Baptist outlook on things. . .and then yellow_woods gets confused trying to understand the Lutheran position.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/kagomeshuko/489450.html?nc=2

Can anybody give me (more) Bible verses here to help. . .especially so I can explain to yellow_woods how we don't have the Baptist outlook that dave_rainbow has presented using the Bible verses.

Thanks!

Stein Auf!
Bridget

[BigNorsk]

Bridget,

My suggestion would be to look at the "Formula of Concord" at www.bookofconcord.org (http://www.bookofconcord.org) the areas of "Election" and "Free Will" are full of Bible references on the subject. The "Epitome" is a summary, the "Full Declaration" is the longer more complete statement.

The Formula of Concord was written largely in response to the Crypto-Calvinists (hidden Calvinists) who were within the Lutheran Church. There are still many Crypto-Calvinists probably because we don't spend much time on single election.

Single election is one of the great strengths of Lutheranism. Through an understanding of the subject, we realize that God is not the source of evil, and man is not the source of good. Both errors are rapant today. You do a good thing trying to explain it to others. Those who think that man is the source of good, are left with depending on themselves for salvation. Those who believe double predestination make God responsible for those who are lost though they try to explain that away.

Marv

[cenimo]

Ah, AFAIK there are different "flavors" of Baptist, including predestination and free will.
Thus the name "Free Will Baptist Church" on some Baptist churches.

[KagomeShuko]

Ah, AFAIK there are different "flavors" of Baptist, including predestination and free will.
Thus the name "Free Will Baptist Church" on some Baptist churches.
Oh, I already know about the different "flavors" of Baptists. I live in a HEAVILY concentrated Baptist area. . .you basically can't go out on the street at all without passing a Baptist church of some type (in fact, there's one just down the road from me).

Stein Auf!
Bridget

[Phoebe]

Humans usually only think in two or three dimensional terms. This issue is one- dimensional. God is only good.

Think of the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve had only good in their lives(one dimension) until Satan came along to tempt them. That's when the evil (two dimensional)entered. Adam and Eve didn't think they knew what good was because they couldn't compare it to the bad.

Many are called, but few are chosen. Many reject God's call from the beginning. Some will reject God after a time. Some will never fully reject it. (Actually, we reject God every time we choose evil.)