Pat Robertson infomercial...

[jeshohaia]

Ennn...Pat Robertson was on a half hour commercial for witnessing to Jews. Doing the usually bribe stuff... Gifts of $50 and above you get a video...over $500. It costs $5 a person or something like that for these revivals. Hungh? What? Have we become cattle?

The last time I picked up Heeb Magazine (last year some time) it said that Jews for Jesus spent several thousand a person spreading the message of Yeshua. How can $5 be more successful?

All these revivals look like is an old school Pentecostal revival. In my days of being lost that would have turned me off. It still does. Nothing like being the only one not to fall down when some one waves their jacket at your section. Hmmm...Book of Daniel anyone? Everyone laying prostrate to a man. Ennnn...shivers...

You know what. It wasn't a revival that showed me the Truth. It was honest seeking. It was the caring and loving nature of my Christian friends. It was honesty and peace. Not power and show. And my experience with Jews for Jesus is the same. Peace and honesty. They share the gospel message to those that should of caught on from the start. Well...it took me 25 years to finally give my self to the Savior.

All this sounds scary to me. I am weary...are they just trying to win converts and not those who are the Bride of Christy who fully give their all to Him who saves?

So confused, I have seen so many churches try to just make them converts. It is sad. Are we cattle that they would desire to just herd us into a church under false pretenses?

I just worry for those who are not completed through the Sacrifice. We are not dumb. We can think.

I see herding in the same light as what the Nazis did to us in the concentration camps.

So I see Pat Robinson doing the same thing...seeing us as cattle. I dont know. Whats everyones opinion on this? Has anyone seen the 30 minute commercial on the Jewish Revival?

[ILY]

Shalom jeshohaia,

I haven't seen the info. commercial etc...but why shouldn't P.R. or anyone try to get the message of Yeshua to others.Tastefully of course.After all the Jews gave the message etc...to us all.If it's sincerely done out of love and concern, what's wrong with that?

YbiY
ILY :wave:

[simchat_torah]

Obviously they are preaching to the wrong crowd. Does anyone honestly think these kinds of "revivals" are what is going to reach the Jewish people?

ugh.

[Henaynei]

What they don't understand is that this approach does a great deal more harm than good - they see the handful or so that "convert" and they never can see the statiums full who are driven further away.... kinda the diametric opposite from the shepard and the 99. Not that they *mean* to do that, it is just another cultro-centricity in action - "evangelism" works on the goyim so it has to work on the Jews..... if we try to show that it does not, then we start getting accused of elitism.

[Sephania]

This is what Johnathan Bernis does, in other countries, yet he is Jewish and is following his calling, he has been there on the other side and knows what it feels like, Pat cannot say the same, and doesn't present the same. It is wonderful that the Christians have carried the torch so to speak for all these centuries but now that the L-RD is opening the eyes of our brothers and sisters it should be understood that for "big time" evangelism, that should be left to the people it was formally given to. The Christians can still share the love of Yeshua , one on one, for that is their calling.

[Plan 9]

Frankly, I don't think much of Pat Robertson; he appears to regard everyone "unsaved" as cattle...often evil cattle.

[Sephania]

While he sells his fountain of youth pills, anyone notice that this is becoming a trend amoung Christian evangelists? I noticed that Betty and ( can't remember her husband's name) Robinson is pushing B12 pills now too.

[Plan 9]

While he sells his fountain of youth pills, anyone notice that this is becoming a trend amoung Christian evangelists? I noticed that Betty and ( can't remember her husband's name) Robinson is pushing B12 pills now too.

When it's not having G-d dusting believers with 'gold' or having him fill their teeth.
Anyone who preaches that G-d is a snake oil salesman, or sells snake oil on his behalf, demeans him.
I was given two of Robinson's books, and have watched him on TV for years; he spreads hate and fear through lying stories, and scapegoats any group who can't answer back to defend themselves.
There are many other ministers and evangelists who are more deserving of media attention, but they don't get it; Robertson is 'colorful'; an attention-getter, precisely because of the deplorable things he promotes.

[P_G]

Obviously they are preaching to the wrong crowd. Does anyone honestly think these kinds of "revivals" are what is going to reach the Jewish people?

ugh.
Yafet

Revivals are great! Only problem is they rarely reach un-churched at all.
Jew or Gentile. Mostly they reach people who are saved and church going and those people can REVIVE their faith.

Pat would probably do better to just allow the message to be put out via 700 club and those that are drawn in the Jewish community can get their appetite whetted for Messiah.

The best way to approach the gospel with anyone is to be their friend first. When I am at the prison I never just hit the Roman road the first time or even second time I see some one. That simply makes me a salesman and probably a used car salesman at that.

Blessings

Much Love

Pastor George :wave:

[ILY]

Shalom all,
Good points PG ;)
I agree building friendship/trust first would better.

Shabbat shalom
ILY

[Henaynei]

friendship evangelism is THE way to reach a Jewish person :) but it requires a lifetime committment.......... often not the american way :(

[ILY]

Shalom Henaynei,
Granted America hasn't been the perfect friend to Israel, but we are their best earthly friend/achi.

We should stay far away from trying to have them agree to having a violent neighbor, and give that violent neighbor a state which we all know would not bring peace.

Shalom v' shalom
ILY

[Henaynei]

ILY,

I am under no illusions - if America did not need the oil from that region and did not see Israel as a needed stabilizing and democratic presence in the ME America would have long ago stopped being such a good friend, and with the Palestinians shouting it's America's fault and Arabic and PLO imans screaching jihad after every attempt at Israel defending herself the pressure of the American left may soon put an end to it any way. Also America's "friendship" is contingent on who is in office and each election that person is less and less convinced that backing Israel will get them re-elected. And who can blame them when even the American Jew is not supporting Israel??

But my earlier comment was ALL about personal friendship evangelism and at how americans are not programed for that kind of thing ;) and not about American/Israeli relations ;)

[ILY]

ILY,

I am under no illusions - if America did not need the oil from that region and did not see Israel as a needed stabilizing and democratic presence in the ME America would have long ago stopped being such a good friend, and with the Palestinians shouting it's America's fault and Arabic and PLO imans screaching jihad after every attempt at Israel defending herself the pressure of the American left may soon put an end to it any way. Also America's "friendship" is contingent on who is in office and each election that person is less and less convinced that backing Israel will get them re-elected. And who can blame them when even the American Jew is not supporting Israel??

But my earlier comment was ALL about personal friendship evangelism and at how americans are not programed for that kind of thing ;) and not about American/Israeli relations ;)

Shalom,
I believe I agree in large at what you are saying, and certainly who ever is in office makes a huge difference.As you know and probably most know, if not for Israel the war in Iraq would have been far worse, and the region of the ME would have been far more dangerous earlier, if not for Israel taking out Iraq's nuclear capability.
I cannot understand why any Jew would not be supportive of the land promised their fathers either. :scratch:

I don't know the numbers of Americans that evangelize in that manner, but many are and do, and have given their lives to it.The future looks rather scary at times when we see how our nation is turning from any semblance of "G_d fearing", to people in high places out right rejecting anything moralistic. :sigh:

Have a blessed day :pray:

ILY

[Henaynei]

YOU SAID IT!! Daily I am grateful that I don't have to depend on the actions of man for the final outcome of history!!!

[visionary]

In some strange way, though the world works its way to the worse case scenerio, we have been by the good word been forwarned, that we may be secure in the knowledge that it is still in G-d's hands and it is according to the Word. It will all work to the glory of the L-rd. It is a good thing that the L-rd mixed in messages of where and what His children are to be during the fulfillment of prophesy of the world.

[ILY]

Shalom all,
visionary, it's always a pleasure to see your posts.

YbiY
ILY