A Question for Yafet (and anyone else)

[schwartmrs]

Okay, Yafet, I need to pick your brains ;)

There have been several posts in which you made reference to the 613 Mitzvot, and then commented that there were over 1000 mitzvot in the NT.

First question: I have tried to find an "official" list of the 613, and I have found FOUR and they are all DIFFERENT....can you give me any history of the tradition of there being 613? Who counted them in the first place? Is there an "official" list anywhere?

Second question: HOW MANY did you say there were in the NT? I can't remember the exact number you used. Is there anywhere I can find an "official" list of those?

I know, it's an odd question....so I'm odd! Surprised? :D

Blessings,

Shade

[Sephania]

Sorry, this was NOT addressed to me. I apologize for being rude and answering this.

[Sephania]

Opps! My apologies once again, I will leave the link because Simchat didn't list one, but please accept my apoploges again.
http://www.bethelministries.com/nt_commandments.htm

They are touted as


"ALL THE NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDMENTS

Compiled by Harry Bethel"

[simchat_torah]

Many thanks to Zayit for providing the link.

As for the 613 mitzvot in the Torah, I'll refer you to Judaism 101's website, JewFaq:

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

They have a fairly comprehensive list of the mitzvot (commandments) and its broken down into nice easy sections based off of the great Rambam's teachings.

Anywho... that list is fairly reliable and pretty much summarizes what I would have said ;)

Shalom,
yafet

[blessed2]

www.hisglory.us/documents/613_biblical_laws.htm

[blessed2]

I have a few questions:
That every person shall write a scroll of the Torah for himself (Deut. 31:19)

Have you done this? Should I do this? This is the first 5 books of the OT right?

19.To bind God's Word on the head (Deut. 6:8)

20.To bind God's Word on the arm (Deut. 6:8)

How do we do this? What does it mean?

21.To affix the mezuzah to the door posts and gates of your house (Deut. 6:9)

What is this and is it ok for me not being Jewish by blood to do this?

23.To read the Shema [lit:The Hearing] in the morning and at night (Deut. 6:7)

What is the Shema? I'll gladly do this.

24.To recite grace after meals (Deut. 8:10)

oops! I've always said it before. I always felt shame if I ate without first Thanking G-d for providing for me.

[simchat_torah]

23.To read the Shema [lit:The Hearing] in the morning and at night (Deut. 6:7)
What is the Shema? I'll gladly do this.
The Sh'ma (or Shema) is literally Deut. 6:4 (and sometimes 5)
""Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might."

I also googled you a website ;) http://www.terryhall.org/articles/shma.htm (http://www.terryhall.org/articles/shma.htm)

21.To affix the mezuzah to the door posts and gates of your house (Deut. 6:9)

The Mezzuzah is a container of sorts that has the Shema written on the inside of it. This is attached to a doorpost. Do a search on ebay for "mezzuzah" and you will find a number of them you can look at.
That every person shall write a scroll of the Torah for himself (Deut. 31:19)

Have you done this? Should I do this? This is the first 5 books of the OT right?

19.To bind God's Word on the head (Deut. 6:8)

20.To bind God's Word on the arm (Deut. 6:8)

How do we do this? What does it mean?

This is called Tefillin. The Shema is also written on the inside of these boxes, with leather straps, that you tie to your arm/hand (a wedding bond between you and G-d) and to your forehead (symbollic of the helmet of salvation and that G-d directs our thoughts). This is a very very traditional expression and you can also view a few of these on Ebay as well.


24.To recite grace after meals (Deut. 8:10)
oops! I've always said it before. I always felt shame if I ate without first Thanking G-d for providing for me.
Yes, I always found it odd (or not ;) ) that christianity has chosen to do exactly the opposite of what the bible instructs. Interesting, isn't it?

I hope these help, and I'm here if you have more questions.


shalom,
yafet

[blessed2]

Thank you ,
You are always so helpful, insightful, and patient.
Blessings upon you and your household.
Laura

[schwartmrs]

I haven't had a chance to look at the list of the 613, but I did take a look at the NT list...

Is it my imagination, or is this list "anti-Torah"? Within the first 8 or 10 "commandments" I found things that set my teeth on edge...anybody else?

Anyway, if there are any other links you can provide, that would be great...otherwise, maybe we SHOULD compile our own. I'm up for it, but how would we accomplish that without one or two people doing all the work?

Shade

[blessed2]

Is it my imagination, or is this list "anti-Torah"? Within the first 8 or 10 "commandments" I found things that set my teeth on edge...anybody else?
Are you talking about the introduction? Or

The first of all the commandments is...thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these (Mk. 12:29-31).

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you (Mt. 5:44).

He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat [food], let him do likewise (Lk. 3:11).

Be ye...merciful as your Father also is merciful (Lk. 6:36).

If he [your brother] trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him (Lk. 17:4).

This is my [Jesus=] commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you (Jn. 15:12).

Let love be without dissimulation [hypocrisy] (Rm. 12:9a).

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality (Rm. 12:10-13).

Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not (Rm. 12:14).

If thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head (Rm. 12:20).

????

[schwartmrs]

In the Introduction.....



"The [Old Covenant] Law and the prophets were until John [the Baptizer] (Lk. 16:16a)."

My translation doesn't say it this way....it makes it sound like the Torah has passed away.

"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the [New Covenant] commandments of God (1 Cor. 7:19)."

The "New Covenant" commandments? I thought it was ALL the commandments.


Makes it sound like the Torah is gone and dead and the only thing that matters is the NT

[simchat_torah]

Typically anything in the brackets "[ ]" is added in by translators and doesn't exist in the manuscripts they are translating from.

*sigh*