headcovering

[kamikat]

If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. I Cor 11:6

I've heard that this verse is just cultural. Are there any ICC/coCs that believe in headcovering?
kamikat

[WesWoodell]

First of all, there aren't any ICC members here.

Secondly:


1 Corinthians 11:15
15 ... For long hair is given to her as a covering.
(NIV)

[kamikat]

First of all, there aren't any ICC members here.

Secondly:


1 Corinthians 11:15
15 ... For long hair is given to her as a covering.
(NIV)

Oh, I didn't realize that there were no members of ICC/coC here. There is now. I belong to an instrumental ICC/coC. Do we not both come from the same Restoration Movement? Am I not permitted here?

I've read that in Greek, Paul uses two different words for covering in Chapter 11. In verses 4-5, he uses the word katakalupto, in verse 15, he uses peribolaion. To me, this indicates that he was talking about two different things. However, my problem comes when I try to figure out the difference in the two words. On some websites, it's clear that indicates a headcovering, in other websites, the argument is for hair as covering. When I asked my minister, he just said that we need to avoid legalism and that I should pray on the issue.
Andrea

[WesWoodell]

I personally believe it was referring to hair. You have to know the history behind the problem with the church in Corinth. I believe the women in that church were former worshippers of the Greek goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love). The priests and priestesses of Aphrodite had some strange ways they worshipped their goddess. The females shaved their heads and assumed the role of a man, and the men grew their hair long and assumed the role of the women (and were male prostitutes). The bald headed female prostitutes would charge money to speak in tongues to Aphrodite. They attempted to continue this practice after converting to Christianity, and that is why Paul told them they must have an interpreter present if they were to speak in tongues. Paul also made it clear in his letter that it was shameful for men to have long hair, and shameful for women to have shaved heads. The hair issues in the church in Corinth had more to do with confusing gender lines than anything else.

Also, the International Church of Christ (ICC) or the Boston Movement churches are viewed as a cult by most of the people here. The church of Christ and church of Christ: Instrumental fellowships are not. That is why I said what I said.

I would not go around claiming to be related at all to the ICC. If you are unaware of the facts surrounding their cult, visit www.Reveal.org (http://www.Reveal.org)

By the way, I'm a church of Christ member. Most of the people here fellowship with a church of Christ or Christian church.

[kamikat]

[QUOTE=WesWoodell
Also, the International Church of Christ (ICC) or the Boston Movement churches are viewed as a cult by most of the people here. The church of Christ and church of Christ: Instrumental fellowships are not. That is why I said what I said.
.[/QUOTE]

No, no, no! I meant "Independant Christian Church", not "International Church of Christ". I was recently kicked off a yahoo mailing list for church of Christ because they didn't allow musical coC. I had posted the website for my church, which uses the Church of Christ name. The moderator told me that it wasn't a church of Christ, but an Independant Christian Church/church of Christ. I was then told that any "church of Christ" that uses instruments isn't really a church of Christ.
kamikat

[Freedom&Light]

LOL! Oh!

That's kind of true- most CofCs with instrumental music are usually called Christian Churches (also related to CofCs- take communion every week, baptism, etc etc but with instruments).

Welcome to CF!

Also, yes, I agree with Wes- long hair is a covering for women, although I think it is beautiful to wear head coverings to church, and wish more women did it. :) I like the thought behind it (humbleness, modesty). But it's not required. :)

[kamikat]

LOL! Oh!

That's kind of true- most CofCs with instrumental music are usually called Christian Churches (also related to CofCs- take communion every week, baptism, etc etc but with instruments).
Also, yes, I agree with Wes- long hair is a covering for women, although I think it is beautiful to wear head coverings to church, and wish more women did it. :) I like the thought behind it (humbleness, modesty). But it's not required. :)

Oh, I didn't know that. I've been going to my church about a year and before that, I went to the Catholic Church. Before reading that mailing list, I had never heard of churches that didn't use instruments.

Freedom&Light, do you wear a cover? I've wondered and prayed about it, but decided not to. It's supposed to signify submission, but since my husband is not a Christian and is opposed to the idea of wifely submission, I'm not sure it's right for me to do.
kamikat

[Jim Woodell]

If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. I Cor 11:6

I've heard that this verse is just cultural. Are there any ICC/coCs that believe in headcovering?
kamikat

As with many areas of Bible teachings 1 Cor. 11 is one in which you will find differing opinions even among the most scholarly. There is a preacher named Wayne Jackson from Stockton, CA who has written a tract on women having their heads covered. As I recall he bases his premise on the need for women to exhibit this as a sign of submission. He often writes for a Christian paper called The Christian Courier. You can read his articles there.

One thing about the Churches of Christ, in opinions there is liberty, so this gives a lot of latitude for discussion.

I praise the Lord for your decision to commit your life to Him. I worship with a non-instrumental Church of Christ in Searcy, AR and welcome the opportunity to discuss anything with you that you want to bring up.

I believe Wes is right on with the wearing of veils being a cultural phenom with the Corinthian community of believers.

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[WesWoodell]

What in the world was that last post all about? ^_^

[Freedom&Light]

Freedom&Light, do you wear a cover? I've wondered and prayed about it, but decided not to. It's supposed to signify submission, but since my husband is not a Christian and is opposed to the idea of wifely submission, I'm not sure it's right for me to do.
kamikat


Rarely :blush:

I always feel like I stick out like a sore thumb- silly, I know. The Lord hasn't whispered that I need to, but I am letting my hair grow out. :) I did buy a bunch of bandanas (from orientaltrading.com) so that I have an asssortment of colorful coverings should I get the nerve to wear them. :)

[- DRA -]

If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. I Cor 11:6

I've heard that this verse is just cultural. Are there any ICC/coCs that believe in headcovering?
kamikat

I encourage you to spend more time with the text of 1 Cor. 11:2-16. Headship or subjection is discussed in verse 3. Considering the discussion that follows, it is NOT about God (the Father) being over Christ or Christ being over man, but focuses on subjection as far as men and women are concerned -- when they pray or prophesy. Note: subjection is NOT a problem at other times -- just when they pray or prophesy. The basic instructions are given in verses 4-6. Men are NOT to be covered when praying or prophesying, but women are to be covered when doing these same things. Then, pay close attention to the reasons given for these instructions in verses 7-15. Are the reasons based on culture or customs, or are the reasons based on subjection? I see subjection under consideration in those verses. Especially note what nature teaches us: a man is to have short hair, but women are to have long hair as a covering i.e. a symbol or sign of her subjection to man (see verse 10). Think what the text is telling us -- a woman's long hair is a natural covering, but she needs an additional covering when she prays or prophesies. Why does she need that additional covering, and a man NOT need the additional covering? I see the text explaining it as a matter of subjection.

I sincerely hope this very concise commentary on 1 Cor. 11:2-16 helps you somewhat in your studies. Please note that I didn't address the issue of whether or not the passage applies just to the assembly, NOR did I explain what I the passage itself suggests about the meaning of "praying or prophesying." But, just in case you're wondering, I don't think this passage is restricted just to the assembly, and I am convinced that "praying or prophesying" are speaking of spiritual gifts e.g. 1 Cor. chapter 14, with the point being that 1 Cor. 11:2-16 is basically addressing how a woman could exercise her spiritual gift and still be in subjection to men i.e. Acts 21:9.

As far as how the word "custom" is used in 1 Cor. 11:16, I do NOT believe that it negates the previous thoughts and just dismisses the instructions about the head covering and the reasons for them by saying they are just a custom. The custom seems to relate to the point being made about being "contentious." We have NO such custom or practice among God's people.

I know some brethren that believe the headcovering should be worn by women today in the assembly.