Another Pragmatics topic

[MariaRegina]

Hey Dudes ....

Doot! Doot!

Okay, I will start over ...



Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

When I left Roman Catholicism and the liberal theology of Cardinal Mahony's Archdiocese, I was so delighted to hear sermons where the Orthodox Priest put a guard around his mouth and did not utter slang or words that may or may not be censored at Christian Forums.

In the Pre-sanctified Liturgy, we are reminded to "put a guard around about my mouth."

Yet here at CF, some posters will use the **** symbols to indicate a 'choice' word which they know is not right. Even using those **** symbols could be a temptation because we know what word to insert therein, so who is fooling who? God sees and knows all things.

I like to come here to chat but I really do not need to be reminded of the earthly-minded who use gutter language. I come here to learn about Christ and to deepen my walk with Christ.

Let us help each other grow in the knowledge and wisdom of Christ and let us hasten to the doors of repentance where we shall meet Christ.

Lovingly in Christ,
Elizabeth

[Konstantinos]

I have never done it. I havent seen it (yet) in TAW.

[ufonium2]

Aria, are you equating the slang that gzt and others use with swearing?

Honestly, I really don't understand. I work in academia, and if need be I can throw down formalities that would make a Classics professor's head spin. But when I'm talking to my friends, I drop all of that. Everyone I know does the same. I'm not saying we should resort to tHiS sTuFf LiKe We R 13 yrs Old, or that we should swear like an NWA album, but I don't see either of that going on here. I see people having conversations just as we would if we were sitting in the living room.

If we're not formal enough for your tastes, I don't know what to tell you. This is how I talk to my friends. As for bad language, or implications of bad language, I don't see it. I know at least one member of the clergy with whom I have regular contact reads this very forum, and I'm not embarassed to have him read anything I've written in TAW (or anything anyone has written here, for that matter.) This is a PG-rated board at worst, and that's well within my comfort zone.

[MariaRegina]

Aria, are you equating the slang that gzt and others use with swearing?

Honestly, I really don't understand. I work in academia, and if need be I can throw down formalities that would make a Classics professor's head spin. But when I'm talking to my friends, I drop all of that. Everyone I know does the same. I'm not saying we should resort to tHiS sTuFf LiKe We R 13 yrs Old, or that we should swear like an NWA album, but I don't see either of that going on here. I see people having conversations just as we would if we were sitting in the living room.

If we're not formal enough for your tastes, I don't know what to tell you. This is how I talk to my friends. As for bad language, or implications of bad language, I don't see it. I know at least one member of the clergy with whom I have regular contact reads this very forum, and I'm not embarassed to have him read anything I've written in TAW (or anything anyone has written here, for that matter.) This is a PG-rated board at worst, and that's well within my comfort zone.


No, I am not.

I am talking about the references to sticks in places where they don't belong. I just don't know what this has to do with the filioque.

I am also talking about the use of **** in some of TAWs posts, where they really don't belong. And the word is evident when a poster obviously avoids the censor by adding the consonantal onset and the coda with the ** in between. Those with any training in linguistics will understand. Do I need to be explicit?

Others use the word "dam" but do not refer to the body of water behind the dam, instead they refer to condemnation. Again, it's all a very immature attempt to avoid the censor and CF rules, if CF still has one.

During Lent, this is particularly annoying as some of these very same people talk about going to the pre-sanctified Liturgy where they sing, "Put a guard, O Lord, round about my lips."

Sorry for the rant.

Yours in Christ,
Elizabeth

[Lotar]

I agree, but also note that some words are censored that most people would not consider to be vulgar, and it may seem like someone is using vulgarity when they are not.

For example: "You are full of ****"

No, I did not use anything that wouldn't make it into a G rated movie, yet it is censored because of it is considered serious in other countries.

[White Rabbit]

I'm not saying we should resort to tHiS sTuFf LiKe We R 13 yrs Old

Do you have a problem with young people? :sigh:

[MariaRegina]

Do you have a problem with young people? :sigh:

White Rabbit:

I've heard that young people post using all sorts of codes when on the Internet. Do you use color codes, fonts, and special symbols to represent a special register (or jargon) or to create an effect which you use only among your peers?

This is an area which interests me because you young people are creating a new language.

YSIC
Elizabeth

[White Rabbit]

White Rabbit:

I've heard that young people post using all sorts of codes when on the Internet. Do you use color codes, fonts, and special symbols to represent a special register (or jargon) or to create an effect which you use only among your peers?

This is an area which interests me because you young people are creating a new language.

YSIC
Elizabeth

No I don't.

I never heard about that.

[MariaRegina]

We were discussing this in my language development class. One mom said that she will watch her young teen compose an email message to her next door neighbor. It's funny - or perhaps sad that some teens will stay at home and compose long email messages when their friend is right next door.

Anyway they use color coded messages along with smilies and special fonts to communicate ideas so that their folks won't catch on. It's a secret code or new language which they are developing.

[White Rabbit]

We were discussing this in my language development class. One mom said that she will watch her young teen compose an email message to her next door neighbor. It's funny - or perhaps sad that some teens will stay at home and compose long email messages when their friend is right next door.

Anyway they use color coded messages along with smilies and special fonts to communicate ideas so that their folks won't catch on. It's a secret code or new language which they are developing.

I have never, or even thought about doing something like. It sounds like a horrible waste of time. If the child has something they want to hide from their parents, the last thing they should do is sit and watch.

I guess I really don't fit into this age range... I must be older than what is on my birth certificate :P

[Monica, child of God]

Do you have a problem with young people? :sigh:


I certainly don't have a problem with young people. I think it is great that you are so into your faith. Very cool :thumbsup:

I also don't have a problem with language that is a little blue. Just nothing overboard or directed at another person.

IMO we should not police each other's posts for etiquette violations. Using language that is purposely hurtful is wrong and should be reported to a moderator. But one member should not impose their own standards on others. The people who frequent TAW are from varied backgrounds and are of different generations. We can't expect everyone to see things the same way on these matters.

Blessings,
Monica

[MariaRegina]

I have never, or even thought about doing something like. It sounds like a horrible waste of time. If the child has something they want to hide from their parents, the last thing they should do is sit and watch.

I guess I really don't fit into this age range... I must be older than what is on my birth certificate :P

It sounds like you are very sober and mature for your age. I know a lot of Orthodox teenagers who are surprisingly mature. We don't water down the faith and it is very sobering to hear our priests give retreats to the children. They preach the Truth and the children love the priests for their honesty.

[Matrona]

Please stop with the hysterical and judgmental eisegesis!

I was using a common metaphor, to imply that the individual in question is both meticulous and arrogant without requiring the reader to pick up a dictionary to understand.

[White Rabbit]

It sounds like you are very sober and mature for your age. I know a lot of Orthodox teenagers who are surprisingly mature. We don't water down the faith and it is very sobering to hear our priests give retreats to the children. They preach the Truth and the children love the priests for their honesty.

I am actually more hyper in Orthodoxy than I was before I joined... it must be that incense :D

:liturgy: :liturgy: :liturgy: :liturgy:

[Julio]

I agree that some of the figures of speech used by others are not exactly to my liking; also, once or twice I have been a bit scandalized by the crude of expletives in this or that post. Surely this can be corrected with very little effort. But again, the point I made in the previous pragmatics thread must also be mentioned here: a community such as CF, a php BBS, is informal in nature, as was its predecessor, the telnet BBS. This is because it is made up of ongoing conversations. One shouldn't be surprised, then, to find colloquial language, and perhaps even some slang. This is simply the nature of an informal conversation.

As for the censoring of words, Lotar's comment is much to the point: I have never used the quadruple asterisk to bypass anything, but in a couple of instances it has been imposed on my typed text, because a word was somewhere, somehow considered inappropriate. In such instances, I simply edited my post and substituted the "objectionable" word for a synonym.

But Elizabeth's larger point should not be missed. We pray with the Psalmist: "Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth: and a door of enclosure round about my lips"; let us weigh, then, our words. After all, as the Lord has spoken thus: " But I say to you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment" (St Matthew 12:36).

[MariaRegina]

I agree that some of the figures of speech used by others are not exactly to my liking; also, once or twice I have been a bit scandalized by the crude of expletives in this or that post. Surely this can be corrected with very little effort. But again, the point I made in the previous pragmatics thread must also be mentioned here: a community such as CF, a php BBS, is informal in nature, as was its predecessor, the telnet BBS. This is because it is made up of ongoing conversations. One shouldn't be surprised, then, to find colloquial language, and perhaps even some slang. This is simply the nature of an informal conversation.

As for the censoring of words, Lotar's comment is much to the point: I have never used the quadruple asterisk to bypass anything, but in a couple of instances it has been imposed on my typed text, because a word was somewhere, somehow considered inappropriate. In such instances, I simply edited my post and substituted the "objectionable" word for a synonym.

But Elizabeth's larger point should not be missed. We pray with the Psalmist: "Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth: and a door of enclosure round about my lips"; let us weigh, then, our words. After all, as the Lord has spoken thus: " But I say to you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment" (St Matthew 12:36).


Thank you, Julio, for the quote from the Psalmist.

I love that psalm.

Sometimes I have been caught off guard by the censor and realized my mistake too.

[Julio]

Oh, and I forgot...

I work in academia, and if need be I can throw down formalities that would make a Classics professor's head spin.

Try me. :D

[Orthosdoxa]

Anyway they use color coded messages along with smilies and special fonts to communicate ideas so that their folks won't catch on. It's a secret code or new language which they are developing.

I did this as a teen with my friends, in notes and such, withOUT the internet! I don't think it's uncommon.

And I wish people would just stop picking at each other over such things. I'm about ready to give up the net for a while.

[Matrona]

I did this as a teen with my friends, in notes and such, withOUT the internet! I don't think it's uncommon.

And I wish people would just stop picking at each other over such things. I'm about ready to give up the net for a while.
I did it, too. My friend told me her parents respected her privacy so much that they would avoid looking at her diary if she had left it open somewhere. I, on the other hand, wrote my diary entirely in caesar-cypher.

[Monica, child of God]

And I wish people would just stop picking at each other over such things. I'm about ready to give up the net for a while.

Yes, I think it is better to pm a person rather than making it a general issue and eluding to offensiveness.

Monica

[Lotar]

White Rabbit:

I've heard that young people post using all sorts of codes when on the Internet. Do you use color codes, fonts, and special symbols to represent a special register (or jargon) or to create an effect which you use only among your peers?

This is an area which interests me because you young people are creating a new language.

YSIC
Elizabeth


n00b!!! U just got pwnd!!!

All your base are belong to us!!!


:P

[MariaRegina]

"Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth: and a door of enclosure round about my lips"

[MariaRegina]

n00b!!! U just got pwnd!!!

All your base are belong to us!!!


:P

LOL

What does this mean?

[Julio]

LOL

What does this mean?

Believe it or not, there's a Wikipedia entry for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us

[Lotar]

LOL

What does this mean?

Gamer speak / l337 speak :D

It means I play way too much Counter Strike for my own good.

n00b = newbie = someone new to particular game/forum/etc

pwnd = owned = dominated, beaten baddly, etc.

All your base are belong to us... Julio got that one

[ufonium2]

Do you have a problem with young people? :sigh:

WhiteRabbit, I have no problem with young people, or whatever weird language they choose to use when communicating with each other. But I teach at a university, and I have students substituting "ur" for "your" and "pls" for "please" in college term papers. I do have a problem with that. There is a place for netspeak, but it has no place in college work and almost no place on CF. There are a couple of teen forums where it's appropriate, but if they're going to post in the congregation or theology forums, they should do so in the language most of us can read, which is something approaching English. I don't care if someone's grammar and spelling are awful, especially since we have a wide variety of ages and nationalities here in TAW. But I do care if someone intentionally makes their text illegible by capitalizing every other letter. There's no good reason to do that.

[MariaRegina]

Believe it or not, there's a Wikipedia entry for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us

AYBABTU on US 50 in Nevada

On April 1, 2003, in Sturgis, Michigan, seven men aged 17 to 20 placed signs all over town that read "All your base are belong to us. You have no chance to survive make your time." They said they were playing an April Fools joke by mimicking the famous Flash animation which depicted the slogan ubiquitously. Not many people who saw the signs got the joke. Many residents were upset that the signs appeared while the U.S. was at war with Iraq, and police chief Eugene Alli said the signs could be "a borderline terrorist threat depending on what someone interprets it to mean." [1] (http://wwmt.com/engine.pl?station=wwmt&id=468&template=breakout_local.html)

The phrase has been spotted as graffiti on various structures, such as on a former train bridge over the Connecticut River between Hadley and Northampton, Massachusetts, an area with several colleges in close proximity. An automated news ticker on News 14 Carolina, a North Carolina cable channel, was even "hacked" to display the message on television. [2] (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/03/05/wags_hijack_tv_channels_onscreen/)

On October 24, 2003, in Union City, California, two students aged 16 and 17 used Scotch tape to attach the phrase "All your base are belong to us" on various walls of the local high school. Not understanding the phrase, school officials panicked and closed the school.













[This would be hysterical if it wasn't taken so seriously.]

It reminds me (and I wasn't around to hear it) of the radio broadcast of the martian invasion. Wasn't that also an April Fool's joke that backfired?

[moses916]

i hope my pink font doesn't give off a bad message (a homosexual message, haha i think it does but God knows everything) :)

[MariaRegina]

i hope my pink font doesn't give off a bad message (a homosexual message, haha i think it does but God knows everything) :)

Do you use shocking pink to shock people?

Or to grab our attention?

[White Rabbit]

WhiteRabbit, I have no problem with young people, or whatever weird language they choose to use when communicating with each other. But I teach at a university, and I have students substituting "ur" for "your" and "pls" for "please" in college term papers. I do have a problem with that. There is a place for netspeak, but it has no place in college work and almost no place on CF. There are a couple of teen forums where it's appropriate, but if they're going to post in the congregation or theology forums, they should do so in the language most of us can read, which is something approaching English. I don't care if someone's grammar and spelling are awful, especially since we have a wide variety of ages and nationalities here in TAW. But I do care if someone intentionally makes their text illegible by capitalizing every other letter. There's no good reason to do that.

That's fine, but next time please leave out "like a 13 year old." :hug:

[moses916]

honestly, i just like pink!

[ufonium2]

That's fine, but next time please leave out "like a 13 year old." :hug:

Should I have said "like a teenager"? I was referring to a specific lexicon that I have never seen an non-teenager use. In fact, I only see the capitalizing every other letter phenomenon among people in their early teens. I know not every 13-year-old types like that, but it seems that everyone who types like that is 13 years old or thereabouts. I think it was a valid descriptor.

[Lotar]

WhiteRabbit, I have no problem with young people, or whatever weird language they choose to use when communicating with each other. But I teach at a university, and I have students substituting "ur" for "your" and "pls" for "please" in college term papers. I do have a problem with that. There is a place for netspeak, but it has no place in college work and almost no place on CF. There are a couple of teen forums where it's appropriate, but if they're going to post in the congregation or theology forums, they should do so in the language most of us can read, which is something approaching English. I don't care if someone's grammar and spelling are awful, especially since we have a wide variety of ages and nationalities here in TAW. But I do care if someone intentionally makes their text illegible by capitalizing every other letter. There's no good reason to do that.

l4M3r
y j00 n0+ g1V3 tH3m @N A 4 t3h ub3r c00l skillz?!?!

^_^

[White Rabbit]

Should I have said "like a teenager"? I was referring to a specific lexicon that I have never seen an non-teenager use. In fact, I only see the capitalizing every other letter phenomenon among people in their early teens. I know not every 13-year-old types like that, but it seems that everyone who types like that is 13 years old or thereabouts. I think it was a valid descriptor.

You shouldn't have said like anyone.

[xenia]

FYI...

If you type an offensive word into a post, a word so bad that it offends CF's censor, your post will have stars where the offensive word was meant to go. We are not allowed to leave the stars in our posts, we are required to replace them with a less offensive word.

-Xenia

[MariaRegina]

You shouldn't have said like anyone.

White Rabbit:

I have to agree with you. I teach at the college level also, and I have not run into weird things. The young students have always been so sincere and beautiful.

I think I make more mistakes than they do and I'm always delighted when they catch me making mistakes. It makes me realize that even though I am an instructor, I can still learn.

Yours in Christ,
Elizabeth

[MariaRegina]

FYI...

If you type an offensive word into a post, a word so bad that it offends CF's censor, your post will have stars where the offensive word was meant to go. We are not allowed to leave the stars in our posts, we are required to replace them with a less offensive word.

-Xenia

In my OP I deliberately used the stars (*) and I think I made my point in that context. Is that okay?

[xenia]

In my OP I deliberately used the *'s and I think I made my point in that context. Is that okay?

Dear Aria,

That's fine- you weren't trying to get around the censor. :)

In peace,
Xenia

[ufonium2]

Aria, I'm really suprised you haven't gotten a paper--or at least an email--from a student who used netspeak. Like I said, I get at least a couple papers like that per semester, and probably 1/3 of all my emails from students use some kind of lazy abbreviation like "ur" or "plz." Maybe it's because I teach freshmen.

White Rabbit, I'm sorry if I have offended you. But English is disintegrating, not evolving, and technology-inspired slang--which is predominantly the domain of young people--is the driving force behind the decline. It took me five minutes to figure out what Lotar was saying, and I still don't know what his first line was supposed to say. Do you not think that is a problem?

[White Rabbit]

White Rabbit, I'm sorry if I have offended you.

God forgives, and I forgive.

[MariaRegina]

Aria, I'm really suprised you haven't gotten a paper--or at least an email--from a student who used netspeak. Like I said, I get at least a couple papers like that per semester, and probably 1/3 of all my emails from students use some kind of lazy abbreviation like "ur" or "plz." Maybe it's because I teach freshmen.

White Rabbit, I'm sorry if I have offended you. But English is disintegrating, not evolving, and technology-inspired slang--which is predominantly the domain of young people--is the driving force behind the decline. It took me five minutes to figure out what Lotar was saying, and I still don't know what his first line was supposed to say. Do you not think that is a problem?

I teach ESL students largely from Japan and they are taught to respect their elders. It is good that they come to America because they help American students learn respect. I had one Japanese student who kept on bowing to me and I would bow back. She must have bowed 10 times before she walked away backwards still bowing -- what respect. I guess being with those students and then coming to my computer to TAW is like a culture shock.

Yours in Christ,
Elizabeth

[MariaRegina]

Dear John:

What site did you visit so that you learned that cyberspace code?

I have no idea what you said.

YSIC
Elizabeth

[Konstantinos]

Hmm Japanese Culture must be WAY!! different then Greek!!!!

[Oblio]

I had one Japanese student who kept on bowing to me and I would bow back. She must have bowed 10 times before she walked away backwards still bowing -- what respect.


The iconoclasts over in GH would have had a field day with her.

[Lotar]

Dear John:

What site did you visit so that you learned that cyberspace code?

I have no idea what you said.

YSIC
Elizabeth

Sadly, I learned it through first hand experience, though I never use it myself. Well, at least not to that extent... :sorry:

You could probably find most of it on Wikipedia.

A loose translation would be: "That's lame. Why did you not give them an A for their skill?"

Direct translation: "Lamer. Why you not give them an A for the uber cool skills?"

[Lotar]

The iconoclasts over in GH would have had a field day with her.

I think it's rather obvious that the Japanese worship Elizabeth. :P

[Konstantinos]

Hahahahahahah!!!!! :D

[Lotar]

The three most common words I see in l337 speak are noob, haxor, and pwnd.

[Lotar]

Elizabeth,

Here you go :) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

John

[Theophorus]

The three most common words I see in l337 speak are noob, haxor, and pwnd.

CS! mwahahahahaha, Q3 players 0wnt u. ;)

[Matrona]

Should I have said "like a teenager"? I was referring to a specific lexicon that I have never seen an non-teenager use. In fact, I only see the capitalizing every other letter phenomenon among people in their early teens. I know not every 13-year-old types like that, but it seems that everyone who types like that is 13 years old or thereabouts. I think it was a valid descriptor.

I have heard of this, but in my experience, the vast majority of students who use netspeak in text messages/internet chatting, are able to get out of that mode for writing a term paper.

For the record, I've been online since I was 12, never supervised, and I never, ever used netspeak. In fact, when I was new to chatrooms, I wrote everything in a complete sentence. These days I only insist on using complete sentences for message board postings. Chatrooms are different and complete sentences aren't necessary.

[White Rabbit]

For the record, I've been online since I was 12


Wow! You're one amazing gal! I can't even spend more than a couple of hours at a time online, but here you are with 9 straight years of it! I applaud you!

[Matrona]

Wow! You're one amazing gal! I can't even spend more than a couple of hours at a time online, but here you are with 9 straight years of it! I applaud you!

Hahaha... very funny Mister Rabbit. :)

[White Rabbit]

Hahaha... very funny Mister Rabbit. :)

:)

[Vasya Davidovich]

I did this as a teen with my friends, in notes and such, withOUT the internet! I don't think it's uncommon.
I wrote notes to myself... diary entries, commentary on the day, significant thoughts, etc. in code - long before using the Internet. Later (and still before I got online) I invented alphabets to conceal my thoughts, and later yet rudimentary languages.

In my case, Aria, it wasn't to hide my thoughts from my parents, but from my peers.

[MariaRegina]

I used to write out my sins using this code and then sticky them into my prayer book.

Since I teach IPA phonetics in college, a lot of the symbols are similar.

For example Maria would be M^r!^

[Kolya]

A form of Leetspeak is adopted by necessity by those of us in our highly mobile society that make extensive use of SMS messaging (Short Message Service) via cell phones. This is necessitated by the fact that a message can be only 180 characters in length. Longer 'concated' messages are now possible, but they cost more.

So a typical message to my son: "Hi,I put da cash in 2day 4 u 2 B able to get da book. U'r marks r gr8.Luv,dad.



Translation: Hi Son, I transferred the money into your account so you may buy the book. Your grades are very good. All my love, dad.