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White Rabbit
21st April 2005, 10:27 AM
Ok, I'm just wondering, out of curiosity, when someone is crucified, what is it that actually kills them?

Oblio
21st April 2005, 10:28 AM
Asphyxiation

moses916
21st April 2005, 11:27 AM
wow thats horrible!

White Rabbit
21st April 2005, 11:28 AM
I figured it was blood loss or something

Rilian
21st April 2005, 11:31 AM
It is particularly slow and painful. That's why the Romans reserved it for the worst criminals or the people they wanted to make examples out of.

sin_vladimirov
21st April 2005, 11:35 AM
Brother Oblio is 100% correct.

The reason for asphyxiation is that due to the position of the body on the cross, crucified has to lift him/her self up in order to breathe.

Once the knees are broken, this is not possible, thus crucified dies from lack of oxigen.

Monica, child of God
21st April 2005, 11:36 AM
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last. --Luke 23:46

White Rabbit
21st April 2005, 11:37 AM
Brother Oblio is 100% correct.

The reason for asphyxiation is that due to the position of the body on the cross, crucified has to lift him/her self up in order to breathe.

Once the knees are broken, this is not possible, thus crucified dies from lack of oxigen.

Well Jesus died without having His legs broken, so did He die from another cause?

sin_vladimirov
21st April 2005, 11:50 AM
I stated about crucifixion because you asked how person actualy dies ("what is that actualy kills them") when crucified. I thought that you were asking about crucifixion per say.

Why did Lord die and how?

Ah well, thats a mistery of our salvation and the redemption of the sinful humanity.
(me being a cathecumen, this is a real mistery, mistery of now.)

Monica, child of God
21st April 2005, 11:56 AM
Well Jesus died without having His legs broken, so did He die from another cause?

It seems that Jesus' death was supernatural. He was able to speak loudly just before His death. If he was gasping for breath, this would not be possible.

When Joseph requested the Lord's body Pilate was surprised that Jesus was already dead. It was not normal for death to come in 3 hours on the cross.

"Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died. When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph." --Mark 15:44-45

Also note that he commited His own spirit/life/breath into God's hands. The Author of life was willingly submitting Himself to death for our sake.

"The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life–only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” John 10:17-18

Monica

Suzannah
21st April 2005, 11:58 AM
http://www.crucifixion-shroud.com/

The site above, although not endorsed by the Church or containing any theological material, is good for getting a clear picture of the effects of crucifixion on the human body. Since we know that our Lord was FULLY human, we may assume that He experienced all the same pain, suffering etc...this website will describe that in detail for you.

moses916
21st April 2005, 12:01 PM
:cry:

Julio
21st April 2005, 12:02 PM
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last. --Luke 23:46

As Monica has pointed out from the Holy and Divine Scriptures, our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ cried out with a great voice, which means he was fully conscious when he died, and also that knew that he would die just then. The crucified would usually die in a frenzy from asphyxiation, usually after days of crucifixion (or, as others have noted, if the Roman wish to be merciful, shortly after having their legs broken).

Also:

When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. (St John 19:30)

It is obvious, then, the our Lord gave up the ghost when it all had been accomplished. Not a minute more, nor a minute less. No wonder Pilate was surprised that he had died so soon! (cfr. St Mark 15:44)!

Monica, child of God
21st April 2005, 12:07 PM
:cry:

Moses,

Take heart.

"I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy. A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world. So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy." John 16:20-22

Monica

Philip
21st April 2005, 12:14 PM
Well Jesus died without having His legs broken, so did He die from another cause?

I have read several theories that Christ suffered injuries at the hands of the Roman soldiers that may have hastened His death on the cross.

Monica, child of God
21st April 2005, 12:17 PM
As Monica has pointed out from the Holy and Divine Scriptures, our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ cried out with a great voice, which means he was fully conscious when he died, and also that knew that he would die just then. The crucified would usually die in a frenzy from asphyxiation, usually after days of crucifixion (or, as others have noted, if the Roman wish to be merciful, shortly after having their legs broken).

It is obvious, then, the our Lord gave up the ghost when it all had been accomplished. Not a minute more, nor a minute less. No wonder Pilate was surprised that he had died so soon! (cfr. St Mark 15:44)!

:) We must have cross posted. I said similar things in post #10.

Monica

gord96
21st April 2005, 12:46 PM
what killed Him?? not sure.....but they did stab him in the side to make sure He was dead...

Julio
21st April 2005, 01:36 PM
:) We must have cross posted. I said similar things in post #10.

Monica

Hey, I hadn't realized that! Sure must have! :D

InnerPhyre
21st April 2005, 01:46 PM
I have read several theories that Christ suffered injuries at the hands of the Roman soldiers that may have hastened His death on the cross.


Roman scourging was viscious. Many died at the pillar before having the chance to pick up a cross.