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21st April 2005, 01:00 AM

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xenia

21st April 2005, 01:02 AM

I'm first!

Matrona

21st April 2005, 01:15 AM

woohoo! Taverna five!

Lotar

21st April 2005, 01:30 AM

Wut up people?

Vasya Davidovich

21st April 2005, 01:40 AM

'Tis late...

Anyone still awake?

Kolya

21st April 2005, 01:42 AM

Good Morning My TAW Friends, Good morning Emmanuel, and our new friend in Istanbul.
Good evening to the night-owls in America who are still up.

Aahh!! Another new coat of paint in 3 weeks. This could get expensive.
Now I'll have to go to the old room to see what you've been chatting about while I slept.

Vasya Davidovich

21st April 2005, 01:44 AM

Morning, Kolya!

Long time, no chat. How are you and the missus?

Vasya.

[This is my 1000th post. Woohoo!]

Matrona

21st April 2005, 02:04 AM

Hello and good night, Vasya, Kolya, and Johntar. :)

Kolya

21st April 2005, 02:07 AM

Morning, Kolya!

Long time, no chat. How are you and the missus?

Vasya.

[This is my 1000th post. Woohoo!]

Hello Vasya,
We, the missus and I, are very well, thank you.
And how is it at the Davidovich palace today?

Congratulations and drinks all round for Vasya!!:thumbsup: (And I think you signed up after I did. On my old name I got to 822 + 188 now = 1010 Wow! (Nothing to celebrate yet though.)

Browsing the Board Menu, I see you posted a thread about how much time we spend in prayer. I'll have to go there now and read. That strikes me right to the heart, as I pray far less than I should.

Kolya

Vasya Davidovich

21st April 2005, 02:17 AM

Hello Vasya,
We, the missus and I, are very well, thank you.
And how is it at the Davidovich palace today?

Congratulations and drinks all round for Vasya!!:thumbsup: (And I think you signed up after I did. On my old name I got to 822 + 188 now = 1010 Wow! (Nothing to celebrate yet though.)

Browsing the Board Menu, I see you posted a thread about how much time we spend in prayer. I'll have to go there now and read. That strikes me right to the heart, as I pray far less than I should.

Kolya
It is quiet here chez les Davidovich. The palace guards are on strike, and the royal swans are being marinated in a rich sauce. It's Swan Sautee tomorrow! In other news, the court jester has retired, and I am feeling a moral obligation to take his place.

As for a round of drinks on Kolya? I'll drink to that!

...the thread on prayer is actually courtesy of my brother, the inestimable Prince Stefan. Interesting thread, but he isn't exactly getting oodles of feedback. It strikes me that we are suffering a culture clash - my feeling is that the poll isn't terribly Orthodox in nature.

Vasya Davidovich

21st April 2005, 02:17 AM

G'night, Matrona.

nicodemus

21st April 2005, 02:18 AM

Howdy all. Long time no type. :p

Lotar

21st April 2005, 02:24 AM

Hello and good night, Vasya, Kolya, and Johntar. :)

G'night. :)

Kolya

21st April 2005, 02:32 AM

Nitey, night Matrona!

Vasya,
You make an excellent court jester.:D
As for the swan sautee, save me some too. And have the guards shot! What right do they have to strike? There are plenty standing in line to take their place.

On a serious note, Orthodox or no, we could all spend more time in prayer. That is a personal matter though. (Just like how much quality time I spend with the missus.)

Kolya

ManM

21st April 2005, 03:07 AM

Remind me to never volunteer for night mission support again. :yawn:

Kolya

21st April 2005, 03:36 AM

Remind me to never volunteer for night mission support again. :yawn:

Never volunteer for night mission support again!!:preach:

Emmanuel-A

21st April 2005, 03:39 AM

Good morning.

Swan sautee ? I never had any. I have to try that. Does it taste like duck ?

Kolya

21st April 2005, 03:51 AM

Good morning.?

Morning Emmanuel:wave:

Swan sautee ? I never had any. I have to try that. Does it taste like duck ?

Possibly. Maybe even a bit fishy. I don't know, never tried it myself before.

Vasya Davidovich

21st April 2005, 04:06 AM

You might say that Swan Sautee has a signature taste. Or is that cygneture?

ManM

21st April 2005, 04:07 AM

Never volunteer for night mission support again!!:preach:

Thanks. I.. needed....thaaat.... :sleep:

Michael the Iconographer

21st April 2005, 04:58 AM

Good morning new Taverna!

prodromos

21st April 2005, 05:06 AM

Hello and good night, Vasya, Kolya, and Johntar. :)Since "John" is pronounced "Yoannis" in Greek, I think I'm going to have to refer to Lotar as Yotar from now on :D

Kolya

21st April 2005, 05:52 AM

Hi John,

Good to see you popping in just before Holy Week. And your first appearance in the refurbished Taverna.;)

Kolya

21st April 2005, 05:56 AM

Good morning new Taverna!

This board reminds me of the old 'soapie' "As the World Turns"

Someone, somewhers is always getting up or going to bed.

SIDEBAR: Good morning Michael. :wave: Earlybird as usual.

Kolya

21st April 2005, 06:02 AM

You might say that Swan Sautee has a signature taste. Or is that cygneture?

Vasya, a man truly after my own heart! English playing at its best.

Michael the Iconographer

21st April 2005, 07:09 AM

Since "John" is pronounced "Yoannis" in Greek, I think I'm going to have to refer to Lotar as Yotar from now on :D

Can Yotar transmogrify itself into Yoda?

Khaleas

21st April 2005, 08:04 AM

Morning in the new Taverna!!! :wave: How are you my friends?

I've got a busy day... some errands, drop doggie off at boarding, pack and then fly away to Norfok, then onwards to Tampa tomorrow. I'm going on my 6th day when I wake up with a headache... must be grinding my teeth again... Have to wait another two months before I can get a new mouthguard (I bite the hard plastic in two ever so often). Looking forward to spending some time with my husband, although I have to do work as well.

I'll check in tonight again! :hug:

Kolya

21st April 2005, 08:20 AM

Hi Jennie, Have a great day!!:wave:

Michael the Iconographer

21st April 2005, 08:32 AM

Hey Jennie, Kolya, Tracy, Matrona and everyone else! I am done with my morning meditation and my dog walking and now it is time to get my butt off to work so that when I come home this evening I can do some major icon writing. I pray God is with you in this last week before Holy Pascha. Lent has gone by too quickly this year!

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta

21st April 2005, 08:37 AM

You might say that Swan Sautee has a signature taste. Or is that cygneture?
Booooo! I keep thinking of the story by E.B. White called The Trumpet of the Swan. Lovely story. Because of it, I've become quite pro-swan. No eating of swans! Try Cornish hen or pheasant instead.:yum: After Lent, of course...;)

Matrona

21st April 2005, 08:54 AM

Gooood morning, Taverna!

All of you please keep me in your prayers. I have my Art History final today and I really need to do well on it or else I will flunk the class.

Emmanuel-A

21st April 2005, 08:59 AM

Gooood morning, Taverna!

All of you please keep me in your prayers. I have my Art History final today and I really need to do well on it or else I will flunk the class.

Good luck. I don't know who the patron Saint for art historians is, but he will recognize himself.:prayer:

Michael the Iconographer

21st April 2005, 09:02 AM

Gooood morning, Taverna!

All of you please keep me in your prayers. I have my Art History final today and I really need to do well on it or else I will flunk the class.

You will be in my prayers all day, Matrona. I really wish I could take the final for you, being I am fairly well versed in art history. May the prayers of St. Andrei Rublev, St. John of Damascus and St. Theodore Studite be with you as you take this exam.

Kolya

21st April 2005, 09:10 AM

Gooood morning, Taverna!

All of you please keep me in your prayers. I have my Art History final today and I really need to do well on it or else I will flunk the class.

Prayers going up!:prayer:

Momzilla

21st April 2005, 09:16 AM

Good morning, everyone. Matrona, good luck on your exam.

I saw something this morning that broke my heart--the picture below.

This little boy lives in Mongolia. Here's a bit about him from a blog I've been reading: This picture, Dear Readers, taken by our very own Cuzzin Tom, is of a five-year-old Mongolian boy who brings himself, alone, to a soup kitchen every day to get food. Cuzz reports that, of necessity, this little boy is ferociously independent and refuses to let anyone at the soup kitchen help him get his utensils or his food, find a place to sit or to eat.

The blogger (http://www.nwkniterati.com/movabletype/mossycottage/) who posted this is heading up a project to provide warm, hand-knit items to the poverty-stricken in Mongolia. God bless the people who do these things!

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta

21st April 2005, 09:23 AM

Good morning, everyone. Matrona, good luck on your exam.

I saw something this morning that broke my heart--the picture below.

This little boy lives in Mongolia. Here's a bit about him from a blog I've been reading:

The blogger (http://www.nwkniterati.com/movabletype/mossycottage/) who posted this is heading up a project to provide warm, hand-knit items to the poverty-stricken in Mongolia. God bless the people who do these things!
Aaaaaaw.:( God help him.:crosseo: What a sweet looking little boy. I'd love to adopt a child like that.

Lotar

21st April 2005, 09:26 AM

Can Yotar transmogrify itself into Yoda?

Hmmm, interesting this is. Make everyone call me this, I will.

Kolya

21st April 2005, 09:44 AM

OK 'Yoda', and all my friends, my working day is done.
Off to Bible study tonight at the Parish, so a late night again!
Have a good day, all of you.

Alexis OCA

21st April 2005, 12:22 PM

Gooood morning, Taverna!

All of you please keep me in your prayers. I have my Art History final today and I really need to do well on it or else I will flunk the class.

:crosseo:

Matrona

21st April 2005, 01:27 PM

Mary of Bethany

21st April 2005, 01:29 PM

Good noon-day all! (I can never seem to make it by here in the morning!)

We had a GREAT night at our parish last night. Abp. DMITRI was there to see our beautiful new chapel, for Pre-Sanctified Liturgy. Lots of people were there, and the Liturgy was beautiful, of course. Then we had a great Lenten supper afterwards, and everyone hung around til 10:00 or so. I got to sit by Vladyka and listen to him tell wonderful stories about Mexico, and his conversion as a teenager back in the '30s. Can you imagine, 2 Texas teenagers just walk into the Greek church in Dallas, and won't go away!!!?? They didn't know what to make of them. Might as well have been aliens! He tells great stories, by the way!

Mary

ufonium2

21st April 2005, 03:33 PM

[growl] I just got evangelized. I really wish they would concentrate their efforts on non-Christians, and I'm pretty sure God does too.

Michael the Iconographer

21st April 2005, 06:25 PM

Hi everyone! Ufonium I feel your pain with being evangelized. My views on how to handle such situations have changed over the years and I am not sure how I would handle it should it happen today. I am sure I would end up explaining why I am an Orthodox Christian to such a person.

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta

21st April 2005, 09:52 PM

Good evening, all.:wave: I had a job interview today with the Red Cross. The position I'm trying for would involve a lot of activity and responsibilities, but a lot of opportunities to help people. I'd appreciate it if any of you could say a prayer for me. :pray: They won't start calling people for 2nd interviews until next week.

nicodemus

21st April 2005, 10:04 PM

I start a new part time job tomorrow, which is great because I haven't worked steadily for about 5 months. I need work because my baby is due in a month. The only drawback is that it's a 50 mile roundtrip everyday!

Matrona

21st April 2005, 10:09 PM

Alexis OCA

21st April 2005, 10:10 PM

Rilian

21st April 2005, 10:11 PM

Praying for all.

Matrona

21st April 2005, 10:11 PM

Ufonium, what denomination 'evangelized' you? Campus Crusade maybe?

Elizaveta and nicodemus, praying for both of your employment situations.

Matrona

21st April 2005, 10:12 PM

Oh, and congratulations on the baby, Nicodemus! :clap: What a joy!

Alexis OCA

21st April 2005, 10:13 PM

Good afternoon, Taverna. Thanks to everyone who is praying for me.

Alexei's mad because when I'm studying art history, he can't sit on my lap--the book is too big. So he is sitting in his cage turned away from me with his ears down.

Yeah, move the book Matrona! Oops...you said Alexei...not Alexis.....my fault...:blush:

Instead of fooling around I really should be be in deep prayer this close to to Lazarus Saturday! :crosseo:

Oh what the heck!

Lotar

21st April 2005, 10:14 PM

If you ever have a complete stranger bearing a false smile and a bible walk up to you, before he can say anything, blurt out, "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personallordandsavior?"

Alexis OCA

21st April 2005, 10:17 PM

If you ever have a complete stranger bearing a false smile and a bible walk up to you, before he can say anything, blurt out, "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personallordandsavior?"

In my park they usually just ask, "are you saved?" They look all confused when I try to explain the difference between redemption and salvation....that makes them slowly slink away.

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta

21st April 2005, 10:18 PM

Elizaveta and nicodemus, praying for both of your employment situations.
Thanks!:) Hey! I have an issue with your custom title, girl. Christ died for you, therefore you are NOT "worthless"! As Richard Simmons likes to say, "God don't make junk!" :D Just because he has bad hair, wears super short shorts, is flamboyantly gay, and bathes in self-tanning lotion...doesn't mean he can't make sense once in a while.;)

Michael the Iconographer

21st April 2005, 10:23 PM

Thanks!:) Hey! I have an issue with your custom title, girl. Christ died for you, therefore you are NOT "worthless"! As Richard Simmons likes to say, "God don't make junk!" :D Just because he has bad hair, wears super short shorts, is flamboyantly gay, and bathes in self-tanning lotion...doesn't mean he can't make sense once in a while.;)

I second that! Matrona definitely is not a worthless, annoying immature brat! She is a joy to be arround, a highly intelligent woman, and worth a long drive to visit!

Michael the Iconographer

21st April 2005, 10:42 PM

Good night everyone, I think it is time I get some sleep! May God bless you all!

nicodemus

21st April 2005, 10:48 PM

Oh, and congratulations on the baby, Nicodemus! :clap: What a joy!
We're going to name him Isaac for St. Isaac of Syria

ufonium2

21st April 2005, 11:08 PM

Ufonium, what denomination 'evangelized' you? Campus Crusade maybe?

Nah, I live way out in the sticks and Campus Crusade doesn't usually bother evangelizing "townies" around here. This guy was probably 60, the pastor at some Baptist church in the area. Here's a transcript of the first five minutes of our conversation. B=Baptist, U=ufonium

B-Do you go to church?
U-Yes.
B-Where?
U-St. Andrew's Orthodox, just inside the loop.
B-Orthodox?
U-Yup
B-Is that Christian?
U-Yup
B-Like Greek Orthodox?
U-It's under the Patriarch of Antioch, actually, but it's all the same Church.
B-Oh. Do they use the Bible?
U-Yup (refrains from smart aleck remark about who wrote the Bible)
B-What do they believe about heaven?

And from that point the conversation completely degenerated. Eventually I asked him point blank if he thought I was a Christian. He told me it wasn't for him to say, but he knew he was saved and if I went to his church and believed in his Jesus I could know that too. I then told him that although he might consider my Christianity debatable, there were at least five houses on my street full of people who didn't go to any church anywhere, and since I didn't go around trying to convert his parishoners I wish he would show my Church the same respect and go bother the several avowed non-Christians in the neighborhood.

I'm just going to stop answering the door.

nicodemus

22nd April 2005, 12:05 AM

I had the interesting experience a few years ago of some Mormons coming around and when they asked me about church, I told them I was Orthodox. They'd never heard of it, which rather suprised me considering how they tend to have a prepared argument for everything. Anyway, it turned into a 20 minute conversation about Orthodoxy and then they left. I don't think they even mentioned any of their beliefs. :D

nicodemus

22nd April 2005, 12:10 AM

Eventually I asked him point blank if he thought I was a Christian.

I like the direct approach. I think that would eliminate some of this stuff, especially if we're direct, but respectful.

I still laugh about the guy from Habitat for Humanity a few years ago that gave me a big talk about his trips to Romania and how his church had a tough time with missions over there because "that weird Orthodoxy religion they have over there is ingrained in those people." A few minutes later he asked me what kind of church I went to.

Needless to say, there was an awkward silence after my response.

:crosseo:
:liturgy:

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 12:18 AM

I like the direct approach. I think that would eliminate some of this stuff, especially if we're direct, but respectful.

I still laugh about the guy from Habitat for Humanity a few years ago that gave me a big talk about his trips to Romania and how his church had a tough time with missions over there because "that weird Orthodoxy religion they have over there is ingrained in those people." A few minutes later he asked me what kind of church I went to.

Needless to say, there was an awkward silence after my response.

:crosseo:
:liturgy:

Sounds like a classic case of foot-in-mouth disease. :D

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 12:28 AM

Ughhhh... you guys... I just found out my parent's neighbor killed himself.

:eek:

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 12:29 AM

Wow... Did you know him?

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 12:36 AM

Wow... Did you know him?
Actually, no. They moved in after I had moved away.

I also just found out he was a convicted sex offender. My sister had looked it up for our zip code, but didn't tell my mother until after she'd found out about the suicide because she thought it would upset my mother. I hate to talk bad about someone who just died, but my mother lives by herself most of the time, and she's beside herself--kind of relieved that she doesn't have to worry about what to do now, but feels terrible for his widow, you know?

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 12:40 AM

Ya, that's just sad...

Kolya

22nd April 2005, 02:22 AM

Sorry to break into a Bad story here:-

Good morning peoples of the North! The Southern Hemisphere is definitly cooling and we're heading for winter. All the leaves are off the tree on the sidewalk, and most mornings are cold and misty now. (Though a news report this morning told us that most glaciers in Antactica are melting away)

Our Pasha vigil is going to be a cold but happy experience marching around the church after midnight.

Hope those of you still awake have a good rest. I'm into Friday already.
Holy Unction service at church tomorrow morning.

BTW, Matrona, I'm getting "Russian Ark" tomorrow after church. The store is reserving it for me. I hope it's good.

Kolya

22nd April 2005, 02:31 AM

Instead of fooling around I really should be be in deep prayer this close to to Lazarus Saturday! :crosseo:

I'm praying for you and yours on your Big Day tomorrow:crosseo:

May it be the happiest day of your life.

Many, many years to you.

In IC XC

Kolya

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 02:32 AM

We're going to name him Isaac for St. Isaac of Syria
How wonderful! I will pray for you, your wife, and little Isaac.

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 02:36 AM

BTW, Matrona, I'm getting "Russian Ark" tomorrow after church. The store is reserving it for me. I hope it's good.

Awesome, I hope you enjoy it. I think I'll have to watch it several more times to really "get" it but it is really beautiful.

Kolya

22nd April 2005, 02:44 AM

Awesome, I hope you enjoy it. I think I'll have to watch it several more times to really "get" it but it is really beautiful.

I love movies where one has to watch it a couple of times to let it 'sink in'. Like an old favourite book, one usually finds something you missed out before.

annoying, immature, worthless brat.

And referring to the other posts about this, who dared to call you that???
Stop putting yourself down. We all get whacked at one point or another and then sit with our tail between our legs. But you are NOT worthless, and like they say, "God didn't make no junk"!!!

Here :hug: Felling better? Now go change that this minute young lady!:preach:

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 02:49 AM

Whoops, stayed up to late talking to my roommate...

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 02:58 AM

Well, goodnight everyone.

I'll leave you with a picture of how I'm going to feel at work tomorrow.

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 03:10 AM

Well, goodnight everyone.

I'll leave you with a picture of how I'm going to feel at work tomorrow.

:D

I know a grad student I need to send that to.

Kolya

22nd April 2005, 03:18 AM

Well, goodnight everyone.

I'll leave you with a picture of how I'm going to feel at work tomorrow.

Classic Lotar!:D

Good night

Vasya Davidovich

22nd April 2005, 03:29 AM

Good morning, Kolya.

Kolya

22nd April 2005, 03:36 AM

Good morning, Kolya.

Good evening Vasya!:wave:

How are the maple trees?

Vasya Davidovich

22nd April 2005, 03:39 AM

Presumably pumping sap through their woody veins.

And there are farmers out there tapping the (sugar maple) trees for good old-fashioned maple syrup. Of course, as it warms up the sap will start running.

...

Other than that? I'm starting to see buds on the trees. Very exciting.

Kolya

22nd April 2005, 03:48 AM

Vasya Davidovich

22nd April 2005, 03:57 AM

I thought it was that time of the year again. Gotta LOVE that syrup!:yum:
Yep.

There was that memorable time in my life when I was given a jug of maple syrup. Of course, I was delighted, although worried about its fate. My friend's maple syrup had gone mouldy, and in the interests of not seeing the same fate befall mine... I consumed it rather rapidly.

I drank shots of maple syrup to facillitate said process.

Thankfully, I am not diabetic. Can we conclude that I have given my guardian angel a bit of a work-out over the years?

Vasya Davidovich

22nd April 2005, 04:03 AM

Anyway, Kolya.

I am off to bed very shortly. I wish both you and your lovely wife a blessed day, filled with grace from above.

Same goes for other TAWers up and about, and any and all lurkers. God bless you.

Vasya.

Kolya

22nd April 2005, 04:06 AM

Can we conclude that I have given my guardian angel a bit of a work-out over the years?

Haven't we all;) There was the time I ate this tasty ant poison. My mom was there in time to shove her finger down my throat....

Then there was the time at the beach before I could swim, that I slipped into the deep end of the tidal pool. "Someone" was suddenly there to drag me out, give me a lecture, and he dissapeared into the crowd...

Michael the Iconographer

22nd April 2005, 07:03 AM

Good morning all!

Emmanuel-A

22nd April 2005, 07:52 AM

Hello, dear tawers.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris

22nd April 2005, 08:43 AM

In case I've been labeled missing, decapitated, or otherwise in trouble, I'm just dropping by to say I'm ok. I was out on a farm and popped a tie rod in a ditch, thats all :P

Also, I've not been on CF as much lately, but doing some more direct evangelization online elsewhere. People seem more open to listen, and I don't have to run in circles for hours/days in Theotokos debates! Yay!

Momzilla

22nd April 2005, 08:51 AM

:wave: Good morning everyone!

Today is my husband's birthday. He mentioned yesterday that he's had the "Lord have mercy" from the Liturgy stuck in his head the past few days. I pray that God is working in him.

Kolya

22nd April 2005, 09:34 AM

Morning Momz, Michael and Emmanuel...and anyone else I missed.:)

I and Seraphima wish you all a Blessed Holy Week and a Joyful Pasha.
I may poke my head in next week, I'll see.

In IC XC

Kolya

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 10:24 AM

Happy mid-morning to all!!!:wave:

Emmanuel-A

22nd April 2005, 10:29 AM

Happy mid afternoon, Alexis.

Hey, it's tomorrow !

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 10:50 AM

Konstantinos

22nd April 2005, 10:54 AM

Good Evening Evreyone! :D

Mary of Bethany

22nd April 2005, 11:15 AM

Mary, has Abp. DMITRI ever written his conversion story? As a teenage convert I would be interested in hearing it. :)

I've never seen any more than just the "bare facts" on the Cathedral site. I'll look.

To everyone:

Many, many years to all who will be Chrismated tomorrow or next week!!! May your days be wondrously joyful! And to all of us - may Holy Week and Pascha be a glorious time, bringing each one of us nearer to our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ!

Starting tonight, I (and probably most of us us on here) will be at church almost constantly, (and will be on vacation from work next week), so I won't have time to be on here.

Christ's love to you all!

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Mary

Momzilla

22nd April 2005, 11:20 AM

Momz, I will keep your husband in my prayers. Maybe he will come along for a holy week service?

I'm hoping so. It's a bit difficult, though, because him coming means Owen coming, and Holy Saturday is going to be tough enough without burning Owen out on church early in the week.

I've suggested that he and Owen join me and Andy for Holy Supper following the vesperal liturgy on Holy Thursday, and/or for the Vespers of Holy Friday. I'm not going to push it, though. All things in their time.

Oblio

22nd April 2005, 11:34 AM

Mary, has Abp. DMITRI ever written his conversion story? As a teenage convert I would be interested in hearing it.

It sounded to me (over a glass of wine and horsey durvees with His Eminence) like it started out as a visit to a GOC where all were bewildered as to why two non-Greeks were showing up at their parish :)

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 11:43 AM

To everyone:

Many, many years to all who will be Chrismated tomorrow or next week!!! May your days be wondrously joyful! And to all of us - may Holy Week and Pascha be a glorious time, bringing each one of us nearer to our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ!

Starting tonight, I (and probably most of us us on here) will be at church almost constantly, (and will be on vacation from work next week), so I won't have time to be on here.

Christ's love to you all!

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Mary

Thank you so much for your kind words....

Less than 24 hours to go!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mary of Bethany

22nd April 2005, 12:16 PM

It sounded to me (over a glass of wine and horsey durvees with His Eminence) like it started out as a visit to a GOC where all were bewildered as to why two non-Greeks were showing up at their parish :)

The other night what he said was that he and his sister decided that the Baptist church was "lacking". They were in a small East Texas town, but they visited other churches - Episcopal, Lutheran, Catholic, etc - and none of them were quite right, so they started reading church history and started learning about this "orthodox" church, so they traveled to Dallas to attend Holy Trinity. Oh, yeah - they called first, and got this incredulous sounding man on the other end who couldn't believe some non-Greek was calling to ask what time the service was. He told them "Low Mass" at 9:30, "High Mass" at 10:30. (He obviously had a little trouble with the English terms for Orthros and Liturgy!). They walked into the service, and no one said a word to them. They kept coming back, and still no one said a word. Finally, after several weeks, one of the Altar Servers came to them after the service, and said something real terse, like "Father wants to speak with you." So they see the Priest, and he says "You're still coming. We'll arrange for your baptisms."
:D

They went through a year of instruction. At one point, the Bishop (later Patriarch Athenagoros) came through Dallas, and blessed them to be baptised. It's amazing that their parents (their mother was Baptist, their father was un-churched) allowed them this freedom. God surely had His hand on them from the beginning.

Khaleas

22nd April 2005, 12:30 PM

Hey everyone! :wave:

I snoozed for 12 hrs straight last night... I'm finally starting to feel like a human again. I still have to write an answer to a midterm today and we're going to Tampa in the afternoon.

Have a wonderful weekend and Many Years Alexis OCA!!! I'll be right behind you in a week! :thumbsup: This week has been really bad for me, I feel like I cannot focus and should spend more time in prayer, but school is putting a lot of pressure on me and I have to get everything done on time to graduate.

Have a wonderful weekend and the start of Holy Week!! :crosseo: I will pray for my fellow TAWers.

Vasya Davidovich

22nd April 2005, 12:52 PM

Thanks for your prayers, Khaleas.

I daresay that I will still be showing up in TAW next week, but on a more limited basis. In case I do not, however, God be with all of you... in particular our catechumens. Be strong, and cling to Christ.

In Christ,
Vasya.

Stephanida

22nd April 2005, 01:28 PM

I drank shots of maple syrup to facillitate said process.

Thankfully, I am not diabetic. Can we conclude that I have given my guardian angel a bit of a work-out over the years? You DRANK maple syrup!? This is neat......and I thought I was the only one who did that. And yes I think you could say you have given your guardian angel a good workout :D

Momzilla

22nd April 2005, 01:43 PM

Gaaaaah! :mad:

Defense lawyers challenge Moussaoui's competence (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20050422/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui_41)

Why does this matter, you ask? Because Judge Brinkema will deny the motion, and defense counsel will then appeal to the Fourth Circuit. The judge I work for is one of the judges on the Moussaoui case. So, we will deal with the appeal during. Holy. Week.

I am supposed to confess Tuesday afternoon. I had planned to be out of the office Thursday afternoon and all day Friday. The chances of any of these things happening (well, confession will have to happen) have just decreased by about 50%.

I am NOT HAPPY.

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 02:07 PM

ExOrienteLux

22nd April 2005, 04:09 PM

Whew... Just coming up for air after a full week. I had a few days of classes, but, most of my time was taken up by the calling hours and funeral for my newly-departed grandmother. And, next week is going to be even crazier! I have no idea how I'm going to manage to write a 10-14 page paper that's due on Bright Wednesday... Pray for me, that I get time to write it.

A blessed Holy Week to all, because I don't know when I'll be back on this site. If I don't see you on Pascha...

Christ is Risen!
Hristos Voskrese!
Christos Anesti!
Christus Resurrexit!

Wow, it feels good to say that! It's in sight, brethren!

+IC XC NIKA+
Phillip.

Emmanuel-A

22nd April 2005, 04:50 PM

I'm back from the vigil service and I just can't wait until tomorrow.

I'll pray for you and especially for those who will become Orthodox tomorrow, a few hours after me. I decided to begin a "internet fast" next week, I'll be back after Easter.

Good night and a blessed Holy week to everyone.

Emmanuel

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 04:58 PM

Yes, for anybody who I may not see for awhile, have a blessed Holy Week!

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 05:02 PM

My friends, please pray for Alexander and Judith. Alexander is one of my professors. He has been extremely accomodating--the final for that class collides with a Holy Week service and he's just been nice as pie about rearranging for a different time, and even wished me well on a final that made me miss his class. Judith is his wife and she is quite sick.

MariaRegina

22nd April 2005, 05:12 PM

Michael the Iconographer

22nd April 2005, 05:52 PM

All of you who are enterring Orthodoxy tomorrow are in my prayers! Happy anniversary to all of those (myself included) who were Chrismated on Lazarus Saturday!

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 08:24 PM

I had dinner with my aunt tonight. Her mother (my grandmother) was orthodox but she raised my aunt catholic because she had married a catholic and she made that promise to the priest. At any rate at dinner tonight I told her about my becoming orthodox tomorrow. Her reaction? She said, "I don't know how you can join that disgusting religion." :(

AT any rate I saw no need to argue. She sees orthodoxy as anti-woman and she has hated the Divine Liturgy since she was forced to attend as a child when she visited her grandparents (my great-grandparents) in Pennsylvania. It was probably in Slavonic during her childhood.

So that was kind of a bummer, I'm just surprised she feels that way about the faith of her mother and grandparents....very sad.....but I am home now and will pray throughout the night...for her, for me, and for all my friends here who have given me such great support, my real orthodox family.

A little over 12 hours to go!

With affection,

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 08:25 PM

All of you who are enterring Orthodoxy tomorrow are in my prayers! Happy anniversary to all of those (myself included) who were Chrismated on Lazarus Saturday!

Accepted with gratitude! ANd HAppy Anniversary to you my dear brother!

Michael the Iconographer

22nd April 2005, 08:28 PM

Accepted with gratitude! ANd HAppy Anniversary to you my dear brother!

PM me your addy and I will send you an icon of your soon to be patron saint as a Chrismation gift! Don't worry Photini, I am getting your icon of Noah out this week as well!

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 08:31 PM

I had dinner with my aunt tonight. Her mother (my grandmother) was orthodox but she raised my aunt catholic because she had married a catholic and she made that promise to the priest. At any rate at dinner tonight I told her about my becoming orthodox tomorrow. Her reaction? She said, "I don't know how you can join that disgusting religion." :(

AT any rate I saw no need to argue. She sees orthodoxy as anti-woman and she has hated the Divine Liturgy since she was forced to attend as a child when she visited her grandparents (my great-grandparents) in Pennsylvania. It was probably in Slavonic during her childhood.

Yikes. :( I'm sorry to hear that, I will say a prayer for her. I wonder why she thinks Orthodoxy is anti-woman and why it disgusts her?

Michael the Iconographer

22nd April 2005, 08:33 PM

My parents had a very harsh reaction to my leaving Rome and becoming Orthodox at first. They have taken a very long time to accept my Orthodoxy and in the past year have slowly begun to warm up to it. You are in my prayers, ask St. Alexis Toth to pray for you!

I had dinner with my aunt tonight. Her mother (my grandmother) was orthodox but she raised my aunt catholic because she had married a catholic and she made that promise to the priest. At any rate at dinner tonight I told her about my becoming orthodox tomorrow. Her reaction? She said, "I don't know how you can join that disgusting religion." :(

AT any rate I saw no need to argue. She sees orthodoxy as anti-woman and she has hated the Divine Liturgy since she was forced to attend as a child when she visited her grandparents (my great-grandparents) in Pennsylvania. It was probably in Slavonic during her childhood.

So that was kind of a bummer, I'm just surprised she feels that way about the faith of her mother and grandparents....very sad.....but I am home now and will pray throughout the night...for her, for me, and for all my friends here who have given me such great support, my real orthodox family.

A little over 12 hours to go!

With affection,

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta

22nd April 2005, 08:34 PM

MariaRegina

22nd April 2005, 08:35 PM

My mom, who was raised a Catholic by my grandmother who was a devout German Lutheran, was simply delighted when I told her that my whole family was being Chrismated. She sent me fantastic bible covers for our new Orthodox Study Bibles.

I will pray for you, Alexis.

The priest at my church made an interesting observation. He said that if babies are only taken to church four times a year to receive Holy Communion on the major feast days, then they will most likely scream at the sight of a Orthodox Priest who has a beard and weird vestments and that spoon. (Baby: Only mom is supposed to feed me.)

Instead, he said that if a child is brought faithfully to church every Sunday, then they won't scream at the sight of the priest and they won't refuse Holy Communion because it will be a regular event in their lives and they will grow to love the Church and Her Holy Mysteries.

So it's not surprizing that your Aunt was shell-shocked from visiting an Orthodox Church infrequently. It would be strange to a young child. It's something you have to grow into.

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 08:37 PM

Yikes. :( I'm sorry to hear that, I will say a prayer for her. I wonder why she thinks Orthodoxy is anti-woman and why it disgusts her?

I think it may have to do with the following:

1) She thought my great-grandfather was a tough man. She thought he was too demanding on my great-grandmother. From that experience she said she found orthodoxy to be anti woman. (I KNOW that makes NO sense)

As a carpatho-Rusyn immigrant who worked in the coal fields of Pennsylvania I am sure he a had a "hard" side. I always knew him as loving and warm however.

2) She is a super liberal catholic, and objects that orthodoxy does not allow women readers (which she is) or eucharist ministers (which she is).

Oh well.....

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 08:38 PM

:hug: Sorry to hear that, Alexis! I wish I could say something comforting! Just know that we love you here.:)

Your words are a great comfort.:wave:

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 08:45 PM

Tell her that she will just love the Antiochians who will allow her to preach a sermon once or twice a year. Catholic females aren't allowed to preach a sermon in most Catholic :eek: dioceses, I don't think.

She loves the "ministries'" she has. She probably thinks that my entering Orthodoxy is going against her "womans right" to be a reader and eucharistic minister.

She also told me that because of my conversion my (orthodox) grandmother was turning over in her her grave....I thought, she probably is....with great JOY!

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 08:46 PM

Konstantinos

22nd April 2005, 08:50 PM

I do not Know why your Grandmother beelieves that. I think it is a terrible tragedy. My prayers are with you . Konstantinos

MariaRegina

22nd April 2005, 08:53 PM

Any proof for that assertion?

Just ask and see.

xenia

22nd April 2005, 08:56 PM

/MOD HAT

There will be no jurisdiction bashing on TAW, please.

/MOD HAT OFF

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 09:01 PM

I think it may have to do with the following:

1) She thought my great-grandfather was a tough man. She thought he was too demanding on my great-grandmother. From that experience she said she found orthodoxy to be anti woman. (I KNOW that makes NO sense)

As a carpatho-Rusyn immigrant who worked in the coal fields of Pennsylvania I am sure he a had a "hard" side. I always knew him as loving and warm however.

That's bizarre!

2) She is a super liberal catholic, and objects that orthodoxy does not allow women readers (which she is) or eucharist ministers (which she is).

Oh well.....

:( That's sad. I sing, chant, and read the epistle when Father needs me to. I would find it offensive if anyone told me I ought to be able to be tonsured to do that.

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 09:16 PM

That's bizarre!

Yeah, her whole reaction threw me a bit. I will just chalk it up to experience and put it behind me.

Alexis OCA

22nd April 2005, 09:20 PM

Good Night dear friends. Thank you for your prayers and support. I will be thinking of each and very one of you during Divine Liturgy tomorrow.

The next time I'm here, it will be official!

With deepest love and affection,

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 09:30 PM

xenia

22nd April 2005, 09:33 PM

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 11:09 PM

Switching sides is hard... :sigh:

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 11:11 PM

Switching sides is hard... :sigh:
Switching sides? :scratch:

MariaRegina

22nd April 2005, 11:14 PM

Switching sides is hard... :sigh:

John, you are in my prayers too.
I hope and pray that your family is more accepting.

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 11:14 PM

Switching sides? :scratch:

A certain member of this forum, with whom I used to have reasonable discourses in the past, has become snippy and rude now that I am "in the orthodox denomination."

MariaRegina

22nd April 2005, 11:17 PM

A certain member of this forum, with whom I used to have reasonable discourses in the past, has become snippy and rude now that I am "in the orthodox denomination."

That happens especially when they feel threatened. Once they know what Orthodoxy is, then it is no longer a threat. Can you discuss it with him? Or perhaps it's better to wait until you have a more complete knowledge of Orthodoxy.

If he has any questions, tell him to come here. Maybe we can reach him together with you. :D

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 11:20 PM

John, you are in my prayers too.
I hope and pray that your family is more accepting.

Thank you. :)

It has been rather odd with my family. Last Sunday I talked with them about me becoming a catechumen, and gave them the reader's digest version of St. John Maximovitch's life. They really didn't seem to know how to take it, I don't think they realized what Orthodoxy teaches about Saints. My sister, Hilary, seemed to be a little uncomfortable around me after I talked to her about it a little last Saturday.

But, my parents did agree to come to Liturgy with me. I'm going to take them after Pasca, so please pray for them.

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 11:23 PM

That happens especially when they feel threatened. Once they know what Orthodoxy is, then it is no longer a threat. Can you discuss it with him? Or perhaps it's better to wait until you have a more complete knowledge of Orthodoxy.

If he has any questions, tell him to come here. Maybe we can reach him together with you. :D

He's a hardcore Calvinist, who doesn't seem particularly interested in understanding. I think I'm going to back off the thread for now and just lurk.

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 11:26 PM

A certain member of this forum, with whom I used to have reasonable discourses in the past, has become snippy and rude now that I am "in the orthodox denomination."
Sorry to hear that, Lotar. :( I hated it when people treated me like second-class after I decided to become Orthodox. Oh, well. :sigh:

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 11:27 PM

He's a hardcore Calvinist, who doesn't seem particularly interested in understanding. I think I'm going to back off the thread for now and just lurk.
Ohhhh... I know where you're coming from! What with that guy in my class...

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 11:29 PM

Ohhhh... I know where you're coming from! What with that guy in my class...

They have less respect for us than they do for RCs...

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 11:34 PM

They have less respect for us than they do for RCs...
I was a campus crusader, and the chapter on my campus sends missionaries to Russia. So when they found out I was attending an Orthodox church... let's just say I found out who my so-called "friends" really were.

I think Christ is just a buzzword to them. :(

Philip

22nd April 2005, 11:37 PM

Lotar

22nd April 2005, 11:38 PM

I was a campus crusader, and the chapter on my campus sends missionaries to Russia. So when they found out I was attending an Orthodox church... let's just say I found out who my so-called "friends" really were.

I think Christ is just a buzzword to them. :(

That's too bad. :(

ExOrienteLux

22nd April 2005, 11:57 PM

Philip, I don't even have to click on that link to know what article and which issue of that magazine you're talking about. You think it's bad on here? Imagine going to a Reformed Presbyterian school!

Anyway, that filioque thread reminded me of a time two weeks ago when my Church History prof (a PCA pastor) was lecturing on the Great Schism and its causes, one of which was, you guessed it, the filioque. Naturally, being a Westerner, he tried to defend it, pulling out that verse in St. John where Christ breathed on the Apostles and said "Receive the Holy Spirit," among others. He tried to equate the temporal mission of the Spirit to His eternal procession.

Here's where the funniness (for me, at least) started. Everyone in the class was nodding and agreeing with him when he said something along the lines of "The Spirit has to proceed from both the Father and the Son because He [he actually used the right pronoun, too - I'm so proud of him] is sent into the world by the Father and the Son." I had my hand up after he finished that sentence and calmly waited till he finished his next little bit of talking. Then I asked him this, which I think really cooked his noodle and the noodles of everyone else in the class: "If the Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son since both the Father and the Son send Him into the world, does that mean that the Son is begotten by the Spirit?"

His eyebrows shot up and he asked me what I meant. I then told him and the class that if he's going to take Christ's sending of the Spirit into the world as proof that He proceeds from Him, then he also has to view the Spirit's sending Christ into the world as proof that He begets Him. I pointed out that the Creed says that Christ is "begotten of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary," and he eventually said something along the lines of "That's a very interesting point" and continued with class.

Oh, and by the way: Marjorie, I see you lurking on TAW. Have a blessed Holy Week, sister, and I'm looking forward to actually managing to meet you at the monastery later on in May.

This is Phil signing off from the Taverna (at least for now)

+IC XC NIKA+
Phillip

Matrona

22nd April 2005, 11:58 PM

Matrona

23rd April 2005, 12:01 AM

Oh, by the way, this is my 5000th post! :)

Lotar

23rd April 2005, 12:03 AM

Congrats!!! :clap:

Now you can upgrade your "job" and have blessings up the wazoo. :P

Orthosdoxa

23rd April 2005, 12:03 AM

Want to know what they think of us? Consider this article (http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol6/them6-5.htm), published in an issue of Credenda/Agenda (http://www.credenda.org/). Make sure you have some Tums. (Are those okay for Lent? :) )

That guy can eat my dog's shorts. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but is instead spewing the traditional Deformed party line. :mad:

Matrona

23rd April 2005, 12:05 AM

Congrats!!! :clap:

Now you can upgrade your "job" and have blessings up the wazoo. :P
:) I'm a squire now, baby! :clap:

Lotar

23rd April 2005, 12:08 AM

Want to know what they think of us? Consider this article (http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol6/them6-5.htm), published in an issue of Credenda/Agenda (http://www.credenda.org/). Make sure you have some Tums. (Are those okay for Lent? :) )

You should see some of the threads over at Luther Quest (confessional LCMS/WELS/ELS board) about Orthodoxy. I think a lot of the traditional Protestant groups are feeling threatened right now, as they are losing a number of their clergy and theologians.

ExOrienteLux

23rd April 2005, 12:09 AM

Orthosdoxa

23rd April 2005, 12:11 AM

Hmmm. "Deformed Protestantism." I like. I very like. Guess this means that denomination that runs my college is the Deformed Presbyterian Church of North America.

I'm liking this more and more as I keep saying it. Thanks much, Kat!

Anything I can do to help. :)

MariaRegina

23rd April 2005, 12:13 AM

Michael the Iconographer

23rd April 2005, 12:27 AM

Oh, by the way, this is my 5000th post! :)

To quote you from last summer, 5000 hugs to you Matrona!

Matrona

23rd April 2005, 12:41 AM

To quote you from last summer, 5000 hugs to you Matrona!
Why, thank you.

Michael the Iconographer

23rd April 2005, 12:44 AM

Why, thank you.

You are welcome. I believe today is your anniversary of your Chrismation?! Happy Anniversary to you and to everyone else who was Chrismated on Lazarus Saturday! And God bless you to everyone who is being Chrismated today! My humble and unworthy prayers will be with you all through the day!

Matrona

23rd April 2005, 12:57 AM

I believe today is your anniversary of your Chrismation?!

It isn't.

Michael the Iconographer

23rd April 2005, 01:02 AM

It isn't.

Ok, my mistake, sorry!

Michael the Iconographer

23rd April 2005, 08:13 AM

For all of my friends who are being Baptised and or Chrismated today, I pray God will bless you, look with favor upon you and grant you many, many years! Welcome home to the Ancient Apostolic Orthodox faith! And for those of you who were Roman Catholic and are soon to be Orthodox, don't look at this as you having left the Catholic faith but rather as you having fulfilled it! A round of drinks on me in honor of our new Orthodox brothers and sisters!

nicodemus

23rd April 2005, 09:40 AM

Good morning all, and welcome to all who join the Church today. It is a joy beyond joy and the Grace in undeniable.

Cling to Orthodox teachings, because they show the way to Christ.

nicodemus

23rd April 2005, 09:44 AM

So, I started the new job yesterday. It isn't exactly the best situation, but I will plow ahead in it for now as I need a job and money with that baby on the way. I was going to try to discuss my schedule with them because of Holy Week, but it was so busy I didn't get a chance. The assistant manager basically gave it to be when I left yesterday and it was me working Holy Friday and Holy Saturday. :( Thankfully just during the day though. I cannot wait to get a normal job. :sigh:

About 75% of the clients are Puerto Ricans that claim to not speak English. I don't know why they didn't ask for a bilingual temp. Yesterday I had to deal with some belligerent people, a drunk man and some other fired up guy hurling obscenities at me. Not fun. :( The people at the company seem to not care either. They seem like they could care less about the job. They were making me counsel people on leases yesterday and I'm supposed to be answering the phones! :eek:

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 09:47 AM

To all those Entering the Church Today. God Bless you!! Chronia Polla!! (many years) to you!!!

Julio

23rd April 2005, 09:55 AM

That guy can eat my dog's shorts. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but is instead spewing the traditional Deformed party line. :mad:

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeyyyyyy!!!! Some of us were Reformed before, and happen to love the confessional Reformed tradition! :D If you ask me, it's a lot more wholesome Protestantism than that of the Free Church tradition. I have said before and I'll say it again: being Reformed, and therefore, having a conscience of schism, as well as of dogma (the Confessions), divinely-ordained liturgy, and divinely-ordained government (the Church Order), made it a world easier to become Orthodox. It was a logical progression.

As for the "Eastern Heterodoxy" issue of Credenda/Agenda, I agree that most of the articles are woefully misinformed. Saying, like Doug Wilson does, that the cross is only "a quaint sideshow" for the Orthodox tradition is, well, indicative of never having attended the Services for the Third Sunday in Lent. But on the other side, the Orthodox responses to Credenda/Agenda (http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/credenda_response.aspx) betray a woefully inadequate understanding of the Reformed tradition. As the C/A peopel say: "The overall impression we get from their essays is that they say many things with which we agree, but they assume we're typical modern evangelicals". I felt exactly this myself when, still being Reformed, I was given Fr John Whiteford's article "Sola Scriptura".

But, given my long-standing beef with the RPCNA, I gladly embrace the "Deformed Presbyterian Church in North America" bit. ^_^ I will have to promptly forward this to a friend who won't appreciate it so much. Heh. For Christ's Crown and Covenant, right? (And my sympathies to all who, like ExOrienteLux, attend Geneva College *grin*)

Julio

23rd April 2005, 09:59 AM

I was going to try to discuss my schedule with them because of Holy Week, but it was so busy I didn't get a chance. The assistant manager basically gave it to be when I left yesterday and it was me working Holy Friday and Holy Saturday. :( Thankfully just during the day though. I cannot wait to get a normal job. :sigh:

Ugh! I'm so sorry.

About 75% of the clients are Puerto Ricans that claim to not speak English. I don't know why they didn't ask for a bilingual temp

What they need is a Puerto Rican temp with an attitude to tell them to quit their <rap! Luckily, I'm available. :D

nicodemus

23rd April 2005, 10:01 AM

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeyyyyyy!!!! Some of us were Reformed before, and happen to love the confessional Reformed tradition! :D If you ask me, it's a lot more wholesome Protestantism than that of the Free Church tradition. I have said before and I'll say it again: being Reformed, and therefore, having a conscience of schism, as well as of dogma (the Confessions), divinely-ordained liturgy, and divinely-ordained government (the Church Order), made it a world easier to become Orthodox. It was a logical progression.

I'm glad that's an easier transition. I came from the pop/rock/powerpoint denominations and I had a hard time conforming to some Orthodox stuff. Some of it I readily embraced, at other times, I had to let the Church Fathers "beat the protestant out of me." :D

nicodemus

23rd April 2005, 10:05 AM

What they need is a Puerto Rican temp with an attitude to tell them to quit their <rap! Luckily, I'm available. :D

If you live in Central Florida I'll recommend you. :)

They tell me to "deal with" the Spanish speaking clients. How can you deal with someone who either doesn't speak or claims to not speak English? It's frustrating. I have to leave to go down there in about an hour or so. :( Can't wait to find another job.

In all fairness though, I don't mind the Spanish speakers, they've all been nice. It's the drunk people and the ones cussing me that make it so unpleasant.

Julio

23rd April 2005, 10:20 AM

I'm glad that's an easier transition. I came from the pop/rock/powerpoint denominations and I had a hard time conforming to some Orthodox stuff. Some of it I readily embraced, at other times, I had to let the Church Fathers "beat the protestant out of me." :D

Gasp! The horror! ;) When I was a Reformed minister, I even refused to attend services at such showbiz faith communities. See how Orthodox I was? ^_^

If you live in Central Florida I'll recommend you. :)

Nah, I live in Puerto Rico. And I'm only available because we, the students at the University of Puerto Rico, are strikin'. Oh yeah.

They tell me to "deal with" the Spanish speaking clients. How can you deal with someone who either doesn't speak or claims to not speak English? It's frustrating. I have to leave to go down there in about an hour or so. :( Can't wait to find another job.

In all fairness though, I don't mind the Spanish speakers, they've all been nice. It's the drunk people and the ones cussing me that make it so unpleasant.

Wow, that's really, um, special of the company. "Deal" with them and all. And keep the belligerent drunks and pottymouths at bay, too! I hope they're paying you $56/hour! Geez. I'll pray for a new job for you.

nicodemus

23rd April 2005, 10:23 AM

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Wow, that's really, um, special of the company. "Deal" with them and all. The crazy party is, the woman that told me that is Puerto Rican and bilingual! She just said she gets tired of dealing with people that refuse to do business in English. She claims the majority can speak English, they just don't want too.

I hope they're paying you $56/hour! Geez.
Not even close. :(

I'll pray for a new job for you.

Muchos gracias.

Maximus

23rd April 2005, 11:53 AM

We have several TAWers who are becoming full-fledged Orthodox Christians today, don't we?

What a memorable day!

It's been nearly five years for me.

Maximus

23rd April 2005, 12:15 PM

Anyone besides me posting here today?

xenia

23rd April 2005, 12:24 PM

I'm here.

Maximus

23rd April 2005, 12:27 PM

I'm here.

I probably won't be for much longer. My eyes are starting to bug out from looking at the computer.

:eek:

ExOrienteLux

23rd April 2005, 12:54 PM

I'm here.

Julio, I agree that R/Deformed Protestanism is a bit easier to swallow than the Free Churches and wacky nondenoms and Pentecostals, but I never could accept Predestination. They can try to explain it all they want, but they'll never convince me.

But, being raised Methodist helped me in my conversion as well. They have a relatively established liturgy, a modified Episcopal structure of government, Wesley pushed for weekly (or even daily) Communion, a measure of ritual, and a soteriology that's definitely closer to Orthodoxy in some ways (ie. free will) than Reformed Protestantism.

Oy. Yes, I attend Genevil.... er, Gayneva..... I mean GENEVA College. Sadly. I can't wait till next spring when I'll be away for a semester (in Russia, nonetheless!). Sometimes the people with a centimetre-deep understanding of Christianity (who yet label themselves 'Christian') and the Hyper-Calvinists grate on me. It's then that I run to the Monastery in Ellwood City, St. Mary's in South Side, or St. John's downtown to get away from the insanity.

Thank God I only have two more years, and that I have a devoted girlfriend to help shoulder the burden (though she's got more than enough troubles of her own, sadly).

Oh, and many years to all those being united to the Holy Church today! Come Holy Tuesday, it'll be four months for me.

+IC XC NIKA+
Phillip

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 01:56 PM

We have several TAWers who are becoming full-fledged Orthodox Christians today, don't we?

What a memorable day!

It's been nearly five years for me.

Meeee!!!! :wave:

and congrats to you!

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 01:57 PM

Happy Anniversary Michael!!

Warmest regards,

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 01:58 PM

Oh, by the way, this is my 5000th post! :)

Not bad Matrona, not bad at all! Congrats!

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 02:06 PM

I have been Orthodox for 38 years...... Congrats Alexis!!!

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 08:40 PM

over 6 hours without a post in the taverna???? It must be spring somewhere.

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 09:17 PM

Well Iam new I do not think anybody would talk to me as I dont know what has been going on here!! :)

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 09:22 PM

Well Iam new I do not think anybody would talk to me as I dont know what has been going on here!! :)

This is the place to sit and hang out and just say whatever you want...it can be a fun place or a place to just get some quiet fellowship.

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta

23rd April 2005, 09:24 PM

Well Iam new I do not think anybody would talk to me as I dont know what has been going on here!!
That's okay! I'll still talk to you.:) What has been going on in here? Everything! This thread flows as if you are walking through a large room full of people, and as you pass by smaller groups of people, you hear bits and pieces of everyone's conversations. We generally just post thoughts and comments on anything and everything. It's fun.:cool:

And it definitely isn't spring here anymore. It's snowing outside!:( Last weekend it was 80 degrees. Who turned the heat down?;)

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 09:24 PM

OH so how is evreyone doing this fine morning?

Rilian

23rd April 2005, 09:26 PM

Tired, I just put my kids to bed. There are huge thunderstorms rolling through here now.

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 09:27 PM

Getting the kids ready for bed here in NYC........well not yet really..it's 9:30 in the evening...what time is it where you are?

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 09:28 PM

I hate Thunderstorms!!!!!! HATE THEM!!!! (ever since I went to visit my Uncle Spiro in Texas and we had a Tornado Ive never been more scared in my life!!!) Im just getting Music for Choir ready for palm sunday. (BTW Happy palm Sunday Evreyone. Holy week has Begun)

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 09:32 PM

I hate Thunderstorms!!!!!! HATE THEM!!!!

(BTW Happy palm Sunday Evreyone. Holy week has Begun)

AMen!!!! (but I love a good thunderstorm)

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 09:35 PM

Its 4:30 AM here busy getting the music together. Practice is at 6:00 and as director I cant be late!!! I could hardly sleep last night!!! (as long as the strom isnt severe its alright :D

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 09:37 PM

I think it is so cool to be talking to someone in Turkey!

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 09:39 PM

Yes its amazing what the Internet has done!!! Im Talking to you from the Other side of the World!!!!! Im not in Turkey Were The federated republic of Orthodox Constantinopolitans :P :D

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 09:43 PM

Yes its amazing what the Internet has done!!! Im Talking to you from the Other side of the World!!!!! Im not in Turkey Were The federated republic of Orthodox Constantinopolitans :P :D

AMEN!:thumbsup: I teach Global Studies and always call "you know what" Constantinople;)

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 09:46 PM

Amen to that! :D did you Know Istanbul is a play off of Greek words? Dueing the siege The Turks heard the Byzantines while they were retreating saying E stan Poli!! (to the city) so being the brilliant people they are :rolleyes: they thought it was the name!

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 09:56 PM

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 10:04 PM

Alexis OCA

23rd April 2005, 10:08 PM

And The Turkish Word for Greek is Rum because the Byzantines called themselves the Romaion Autokratoria The Roman Empire so the Turks thought we were Roman!!!!! and Orthodox is Ortodoks so In turkish Iam Rum Ortodox :D So nerveous about later!!

Great stories brother, keep em coming!

Peace be with you on this Palm Sunday. You will be fine Konstantinos!

For now I am turning in...big day today.....I am a bit exhausted.....and up again for DL in the morning,,,,A blessed Palm Sunday to all!

With Affection,

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 10:09 PM

Good night (saying that is just weird :D) Alexis!!! Congrats again and welcome home!!!

Rilian

23rd April 2005, 10:17 PM

so In turkish Iam Rum Ortodox

Of the Rum Patrikhanesi.

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 10:18 PM

very true :D

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 10:22 PM

Who lives in the Fener

Michael the Iconographer

23rd April 2005, 10:22 PM

Hi all!

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 10:25 PM

Hello Michael! Good Morning!

Michael the Iconographer

23rd April 2005, 10:32 PM

Hello Michael! Good Morning!

Hey Konstantinos! I pray you have a blessed day today. Everyone please pray for me, I feel I have a cold moving into my lungs which gives me fears that I might have a flare up of my usually dormant asthma.

Konstantinos

23rd April 2005, 10:38 PM

Thank you! (prays for michael) I also have Astma! I HATE it more then I hate Thunderstorms!!!!!! LOL. well practice starts soon Got to go. Evreyone Have a blessed palm sunday!!! I hope your not Sick for Holy week services !!!

Michael the Iconographer

23rd April 2005, 10:44 PM

gzt

23rd April 2005, 11:48 PM

d'oh! vigil with litiya was a bit lame tonight. we don't do vigils anymore so i wasn't sure of the order of things and litiya doesn't come up often so i wasn't sure of the order of things there. clumsiness all around. nearly 40 people present. and Christ, of course, is coming on a donkey. blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! hosanna in the highest! doot doot! and i hope i'm not the only one who is tempted to fence with the palms and pussywillows.

nicodemus

24th April 2005, 12:19 AM

over 6 hours without a post in the taverna???? It must be spring somewhere.
It's always spring (or summer) in Florida. Winter lasts about 2 weeks. :p

ExOrienteLux

24th April 2005, 01:59 AM

Vasya Davidovich

24th April 2005, 01:59 AM

Well, good night, everybody.

God be with all of you.

MariaRegina

24th April 2005, 02:01 AM

Good evening to you all. Must do my take-home midterm which is due on Monday.

Michael the Iconographer

24th April 2005, 02:24 AM

Well, folks, I'm going to bow out of TAW for the time being. With Holy Week being here, I have much more important things to worry about than being online. God be with you all, and by the time I'm back, we'll be shouting the Good News: Christ is Risen!

+IC XC NIKA+
Phillip

I think I will join you. I have alot of painting to do and I need to get my health back, not to mention there is much time to be spent in Church this upcoming week. Whether or not I shall return remains to be seen.

Alexis OCA

24th April 2005, 07:24 AM

Hey Konstantinos! I pray you have a blessed day today. Everyone please pray for me, I feel I have a cold moving into my lungs which gives me fears that I might have a flare up of my usually dormant asthma.

A candle for you today! And the usual one one I light for all TAW (right under Sts. Contatntine and Helena of course).

A blessed Palm Sunday to all!

And Good Afternoon Konstantinos!!!

Stephanida

24th April 2005, 11:15 AM

I will pray for you Michael. I understand entirely the worry about the athsma flare up.

I am going to have to bow out of TAW for a few days simply to get ahead on my school work so I can go to church and not have my teachers coming after me with text books and assignments. Jabbing me with pens and calculators.:sigh: On the bright side I may not have to worry! The teachers are planning to go on strike tuesday! :) Yay!

Matrona

24th April 2005, 01:12 PM

Good afternoon, everybody. How was everybody's Palm Sunday?

Stephanida

24th April 2005, 01:22 PM

Busy. We did a quick service the best we could and then I ran upstairs to start on my essay that I have been putting off, to find that my computer is dying.

Matrona

24th April 2005, 01:43 PM

Busy. We did a quick service the best we could and then I ran upstairs to start on my essay that I have been putting off, to find that my computer is dying.
Good luck on your essay!

Greg the byzantine

24th April 2005, 01:44 PM

Wow. thank God the New York City Board of Ed is giving us the whole week off for Passover/Spring Break.

Hope everyone is having a blessed Palm Sunday and is eating lots baccalia and scordalia :wave:

nicodemus

24th April 2005, 02:13 PM

Afternoon all. I've actually added photos to the photo thread.

Alexis OCA

24th April 2005, 03:32 PM

Good afternoon, everybody. How was everybody's Palm Sunday?

Really, really nice!!!

nicodemus

24th April 2005, 05:35 PM

so cool, check this out:

http://orthodoxinfo.com/images/hmstanthony/slides/1-66.jpg

The really tall fellow in the background with the black beard is my godfather. :) This was taken at St. Anthony's in Arizona. I haven't seen a picture of him since he left the world. :)

Khaleas

24th April 2005, 05:42 PM

Hey there everyone!

Yea, someone really turned down the heat (they did it even all the way to Florida). We had a nasty trip down due to stoms in GA so we weren't even in Tampa until 2 am on Saturday. And then we waited for the following flight to get in so we could actually get our bags (there was no reason for them to have missed the original flight but someone messed up). The party we went to was insane, wayyyy over the top and we just left early because you couldn't even talk to anyone because of the crowd and the music. Flight back here to VA today was uneventful and tomorrow I'm flying back to MD... I have tons to do tonight and tomorrow!
And of course I'm getting sick... :( Don't have time to get sick... School and church will take up all my time next week and being sick is not part of the plan. BLECH!

Matrona

24th April 2005, 05:45 PM

Neat picture, Nicodemus! :clap:

Stephanida

24th April 2005, 06:31 PM

Thanks Matrona

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta

24th April 2005, 07:05 PM

Hello.:wave: I really enjoyed celebrating Christ's entrance into Jerusalem this morning. In my parish, children ring bells while we sing the festive troparian and also wave palm branches (adults do this, too.). It was lovely. The parish I was in last year did not have bells for this service. Does anyone else have this custom in their parish?

Konstantinos

24th April 2005, 07:12 PM

Here In Constantinople we cant ring bells it is Illegal. But In Greece most Churches do it. Hello all! How is Evreyone this fine Morning!?

nicodemus

24th April 2005, 07:26 PM

Here In Constantinople we cant ring bells it is Illegal. But In Greece most Churches do it. Hello all! How is Evreyone this fine Morning!?
Is the semantron allowed in Turkey?

Konstantinos

24th April 2005, 07:32 PM

Well we have no Monestaries here so I dont Know :D But Prob. Not.

Stephanida

24th April 2005, 08:08 PM

I don't know I have never made it to church for Palm Sunday :sigh: One of my first goals when I live by myself!

ufonium2

24th April 2005, 08:23 PM

We processed around in the snow this morning, and it was great. Unfortunately my SARS (okay, allergies, but really bad allergies) prevented me from going to Matins tonight, since I was in a benadryl-induced coma from 1pm until a few minutes ago.

nicodemus

24th April 2005, 08:24 PM

Well we have no Monestaries here so I dont Know :D But Prob. Not.
I thought I remembered reading stories of the semantron being used in Christian areas in lieu of bells even amongst lay people during the Ottoman period.

Konstantinos

24th April 2005, 08:38 PM

No not nowadays. There are too few of us.

nicodemus

24th April 2005, 08:39 PM

No not nowadays. There are too few of us.
Sadly, that's what I figured. :(

Konstantinos

24th April 2005, 08:41 PM

:cry: Well we do have hope. If Halki thrological school re opens then we hope More Orthodox will come to Constantinople again.

nicodemus

24th April 2005, 08:53 PM

:cry: Well we do have hope. If Halki thrological school re opens then we hope More Orthodox will come to Constantinople again.
I really hope the pressure stays on the government to open that back up. It's hard to believe they feel so threatened by such a small amount of people. I guess they know the power of Orthodoxy deep down even if they don't conciously recognize it. :)

Konstantinos

24th April 2005, 09:06 PM

YES!!!! Once Istanbul was Run almost entirely by Greeks!!! :D

Matrona

24th April 2005, 09:17 PM

I wonder why the EU isn't putting pressure on Turkey to give the Greek community more rights and to reopen Halki. I guess they don't care if it's Orthodox being persecuted, as usual, since we are those woman-haters who keep women off Mount Athos. :(

Konstantinos

24th April 2005, 09:18 PM

/11/2005

Turkish laws that were meant to harmonise with EU norms still fail to protect the property of religious minorities

George Gilson in Istanbul

AS TURKEY steams towards the start of European Union Accession talks in October, Istanbul's Greeks say the country's laws continue to discriminate against minorities.

The 2,000-member community has complained bitterly that new laws designed to protect the property rights of religious minorities have done nothing to help them to retrieve hundreds of properties expropriated by the state over several decades.

Members of the Greek minority charge that properties confiscated over the years by the state's General Directorate of Foundations are being sold off to third parties in order to prevent the dwindling community from regaining their property under EU rules in the future.

Greeks claim that a new law due to be tabled in May continues to discriminate against religious minorities. That view is shared by the Turkey Economic and Social Studies Foundation (TESEV), a non-governmental organisation, which says the draft bill does not meet the EU's Copenhagen criteria and demands that minorities at least be compensated for confiscated properties. TESEV argues that the draft bill tramples on the basic rights of ownership and of association, and that it unacceptably allows the state to fire an entire board of directors of a foundation.

"You cannot take a community's property, just because the community does not have enough people to create a governing body. The state says that if you can't hold board elections, the real estate is ungoverned, so the state declares it state-occupied (mazbut) and grabs it," Dimitris Frangopoulos, the retired principal of Istanbul's historic Zografeion Lyceum told the Athens News.

The most recent property seizure was that of a huge, decrepit wooden structure that once served as an orphanage in the upscale resort of Prinkipos island, the only property that belonged directly to the Ecumenical Patriarchate. The Turkish supreme court revoked the title of the patriarchate, claiming that in 1936 the orphanage foundation was registered as owner, and not the patriarchate, which acquired title to the land in 1902.

The state foundations' directorate took over the administration of the enormous prime property in 1997, after the patriarchate tried to make a deal to build a 300-room resort hotel there. The patriarchate is planning an appeal to the European Court.

Foundations under siege

All of the property of the Greek communities of Istanbul - their churches, monasteries, schools, community centres and other communal real estate - are owned by minority foundations that fall under the authority of the state's General Directorate of Foundations (GDF) in Ankara. For decades the foundations have laboured under restrictive laws. A 1935 law required the minorities to register all their foundation properties in the land registry. Title to properties not registered then or acquired later is not recognised, and most have been expropriated by the state.

In 1974, the Turkish supreme court ruled that foundations could not acquire any real estate, a decision that blocked Greek pious foundations from legally gaining title to real-estate donations or bequests from faithful. Thus, properties bequeathed to Greek foundations from 1936 onward were seized by the state, and the wills of Greek donors were annulled.

A 2003 law designed to harmonise Turkey's legislation with that of the EU reversed the 1974 law, allowing non-Muslim foundations to acquire real estate - though the reversal was not retroactive. Greek foundations submitted 1,647 applications for the state to recognise their ownership of as many pieces of Istanbul real properties. Of these, according to Metropolitan Bishop Meliton of Philadelphia, who handled the matter on behalf of the patriarchate, only 390 were initially recognised by the state, while another 200 were recognised on appeal. "The law does not effectively protect minority property rights. It recognises only property declared in 1936," Meliton told the Athens News, referring to the land registry law.

But even that law does not wholly protect the foundations that complied. It allows the state to confiscate real estate if a foundation has ceased the active pursuit of charitable activity. "I argued that this is not applicable to non-Muslim foundations," law professor Ata Sakmar, the attorney for the Ecumenical Patriarchate, told the Athens News in an exclusive interview.

The patriarchate has coordinated the efforts to save the properties of the Greek minority, which views the church as its sole pillar of spiritual and moral support. Sakmar has marshalled legal arguments from as far afield as the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, under which Greece and Turkey agreed to protect minority foundations.

Indeed, under article 40 of the treaty, the recognised Greek minority is granted the right to independently administer its own foundations. But the provision remained a dead letter, and the state has systematically intervened in the financial management of minority foundations and regularly dissolves their governing boards.

Sakmar said that the chief of the Directorate of Foundations claims that "the government is doing its best and that minorities are never happy with what is given".

"I have to say that the reasons of refusal to register some lands were correct," Sakmar continued, "because some of the properties we applied for were already sold [by the state]. The legal way to take them back is to go to court, if possible. Secondly, we applied to register some properties which were supposed to be owned by the Greek foundations, but we were not able to produce any evidence of such ownership. Almost half of our applications were hopeless, because we could not prove - with electricity or phone bills or tax receipts - that these properties were used by the foundations," he said.

Sakmar says 45 foundations have been taken over by the state due to lack of minority residents in the area. He notes that this is due largely to the exodus of Greeks in 1964, when Turkey deported several thousands of Greek citizens who had been living in Istanbul under a prior bilateral agreement. "This is the biggest problem for Greeks: If they have all the rights to acquire property and the state can take over the administration, their rights are not guaranteed," he says.

EU finds fault

The European Commission''s last report on Turkey's progress, in October 2004, noted the deficiencies of new laws as far as protecting minority properties. "Religious foundations continue to be subject to the interference of the Directorate-General for Foundations, which is able to dissolve the foundations, seize their properties, dismiss the trustees without a judicial decision and intervene in the management of their assets and accountancy," read the report. The commission was also critical of the new draft law.

The commission also found fault with a June 2004 law meant to address the problems regarding the election of foundation boards, "which if not held, or not held on time, can threaten their existence and lead to the confiscation of their properties." Because minority communities have died out in certain areas, the new law allowed for the enlargement of the geographical area in which elections of a foundation board could be held, but only to the adjacent province. Equally importantly, the commission noted that the law left it to the discretion of local authorities whether or not to enlarge the electoral district, leaving the fate of a foundation to the whims of state functionaries.

The Greek community refused to hold board elections under the new law so as to avoid setting a precedent.

The desperation and disgust of the aged teacher Frangopoulos reflects that of the entire Greek minority. "I as a Greek want to donate my property to a Greek pious foundation. What right do you have to take it away? Â It belongs to the Greek community. This is my land! The era when we said ''Slay me so that I can become a saint'' is over," he says. Not incouraging news!!!! :cry:

Rilian

24th April 2005, 11:39 PM

I wonder why the EU isn't putting pressure on Turkey to give the Greek community more rights and to reopen Halki.

Read about the history of the Crimean War.

More importantly though are these factors:

Western Europe has a large population of Turks, particularly Germany where they came as guest workers in the 50's and 60's, but stayed.

Turkey is a member of NATO and generally friendly to western interests in the Middle East.

I think there is very little sympathy for Christian minority groups.

Matrona

25th April 2005, 01:46 AM

Read about the history of the Crimean War.

More importantly though are these factors:

Western Europe has a large population of Turks, particularly Germany where they came as guest workers in the 50's and 60's, but stayed.

Turkey is a member of NATO and generally friendly to western interests in the Middle East.

I think there is very little sympathy for Christian minority groups.
Will do, Rilian.

Everybody, please keep me in your prayers. I have my Russian Civ exam tomorrow. Off to give thanks for my professor's leniency!

Vasya Davidovich

25th April 2005, 01:50 AM

What specifically about the Crimean War?

And in other things Russo-Turkic:

Can anyone confirm that Russia was unsympathetic to the pleas of the persecuted Greeks during the Armenian/Greek holocaust?

xenia

25th April 2005, 01:51 AM

Good night everybody. Please pray for me- I have been getting a lot of migraines lately.

Love,
Xenia

Vasya Davidovich

25th April 2005, 01:52 AM

Lord have mercy. :crosseo:

(Are you going for annointing on Wednesday, Xenia?)

xenia

25th April 2005, 01:55 AM

Lord have mercy. :crosseo:

(Are you going for annointing on Wednesday, Xenia?)

I think I will, yes.

Vasya Davidovich

25th April 2005, 02:18 AM

I think I will, yes.
Awesome. I know of more than one person healed in those services.

I will pray for your healing, Xenia.

Vasya.

Vasya Davidovich

25th April 2005, 02:48 AM

I think that, as I am disturbing others' Holy Week, that I should leave TAW for a while.

God bless, all.

Vasya.

Macarius Peregrinus

25th April 2005, 03:09 AM

:) hi!

Stephanida

25th April 2005, 03:26 AM

Welcome to TAW Marcarius!

Macarius Peregrinus

25th April 2005, 03:28 AM

thanks stepahnida

Stephanida

25th April 2005, 03:36 AM

Good Morning TAW! :wave:

Alexis OCA

25th April 2005, 06:15 AM

:) hi!

Good morning all. Welcome Marcarius!

Have a blessed day!

Greg the byzantine

25th April 2005, 07:15 AM

:wave: hi everyone

Michael the Iconographer

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