100%

[abednego]

Is there one single church in this country or anywhere that is 100% right? What do you think ..... I think there are tons of churches that are 100% right and tons that arent .... either you're right or wrong. In the bible it says there is no middle ground. You are either on one side of the fence or on the other side. I believe that my church is 100% right.
The bible says to be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. If you dont think your church is 100% right then why go there why take a risk like a risk between life or death , heaven or hell. And in no way am i saying that the methodist is wrong or the baptist is wrong or any denomonation on this whole site. I havent been to most of the churches y'all talk about. We as people or humans cant not be perfect at all its not possiable. We cant! But through God we can be. Through the new way that Christ set up, we can be perfect and go to heaven were no unperfect thing is allowed. But those are just my thoughts let me know what ya think thanks!

[wendythepooh]

I don't believe there is any one church that is 100% correct in all biblical matters. I do believe, however, that there are people from many if not all churches who are 100% saved. We are always growing and learning. If that were to stop, then we'd already be with our Father. We will not be made holy until we meet Him. At least that is what I believe. I am not the final judge! ;) I hope that makes sense. :) It's just my humble opinion.

[Highland Watchman]

Nope... The only way to have a perfect church with no mistakes, no misinterpretations, and no hypocrisy is to have a church without people, which is a total contradiction in terms, as the church is a gathering of people... all of whom are broken, and all of whom have differences of opinion and interpretation (some which is bang on and correct, and some that is WAY off...).

But even in saying that, there are those in every church who are the true, invisible church of Christ, who are truly seeking HIS will and plan, and who are eagerly and earnestly seeking out the truth. Are they 100% right in all that they think and do? No. We all make mistakes, and we are all learning as we move along this path that we call life... Not only this, but we are in a broken and fallen world that is trapped in darkness, so there is much that these people must become accustomed to...

[SnoopyDogDog]

The problem, as I see it, anyway, with your philosophy is that the "church" you're speaking of isn't the "church" of the Bible. The is only one true church, and that is the body of Christ, and I really doubt any one person is completely 100% correct on every issue that comes along, much less any one large group of believers.

:thumbsup:

[PapaLandShark]

The problem, as I see it, anyway, with your philosophy is that the "church" you're speaking of isn't the "church" of the Bible. The is only one true church, and that is the body of Christ, and I really doubt any one person is completely 100% correct on every issue that comes along, much less any one large group of believers.

:thumbsup:

Indeed. :thumbsup:

A church is just a gathering of believers. Could be in a building. Could be in a field of flowers. The issue perhaps that you are having is how to tell which Denom, if any, is correct. The answer is "All of them" providing they hold true to Jesus Christ.

No single church, no matter what Denom, is perfect. No single follower of Jesus is perfect. No...not one. We each walk in a relationship with our Savior striving to become closer to Him day by day...breath by breath.

So why the different Denom's? Different humans. Different emphasis on the same basic principles/doctrines.

Now...that being said...Are there places and people out there that call themselves "churches" and "Christians" and yet are not? Certainly.

[- DRA -]

Is there one single church in this country or anywhere that is 100% right? What do you think ..... I think there are tons of churches that are 100% right and tons that arent .... either you're right or wrong. In the bible it says there is no middle ground. You are either on one side of the fence or on the other side. I believe that my church is 100% right.
The bible says to be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. If you dont think your church is 100% right then why go there why take a risk like a risk between life or death , heaven or hell. And in no way am i saying that the methodist is wrong or the baptist is wrong or any denomonation on this whole site. I havent been to most of the churches y'all talk about. We as people or humans cant not be perfect at all its not possiable. We cant! But through God we can be. Through the new way that Christ set up, we can be perfect and go to heaven were no unperfect thing is allowed. But those are just my thoughts let me know what ya think thanks!

Jesus is the sole way to the Father (John 14:6). Jesus promised to build only one church (Matt. 16:18 & Eph. 1:22-23; 4:4), and purchased it with His blood (Acts 20:28). It was established in Acts chapter 2 (see Acts 2:36-38,41,47), and made up of individual Christians (see 1 Cor. 12:27). Christians that live in different geographical regions make up churches (note the plural usage e.g. the seven churches of Asia in Rev. chapters 2-3).

Was there a church in the N.T. that was 100% perfect? Read what Jesus has to say to each of the seven churches in Asia in those early chapters of Revelation. See what was wrong and what was right. Also, think about the church in Corinth and the many problems that the apostle Paul brought to their attention in his 1st. Epistle to the Corinthians. There were problems . . . and they still were a church of Christ. Now, what were they told to do about their problems? Take the issue of who taught them the gospel or baptized them into Christ (see Acts 18:8). Read the first chapter of 1st. Corinthians and determine if the division caused by misplaced attention given to various teachers or preachers is acceptable. Then, go over to chapter 5. See if fornication is acceptable and to be tolerated among God's people. The point? God's people are admonished to make correction when sin enters their lives. They are NOT perfect -- but always seeking to serve God, repent of sin (e.g. Acts 8:22) that is brought to their attention, and strive to better serve God in the future. :bow:

The key thing to consider in the context of this discussion is deciding which church Jesus established. Any churches NOT based on the authority of the Lord (Col. 3:17) - - lacking Scriptural authority for the name of the church, the name its member call themselves by, how the church is organized, how the church worships, and the plan of salvation it teaches - - is 100% wrong.
Why NOT start comparing the many churches that exist today with what the New Testament teaches about the church. :eek: What you find may really be surprising.

[ChristianMuse]

I believe the church will only be 100% when the church meets the Lord in the air... without spot or wrinkle. At this time however I know the scripture says judgment begins in the church and the Spirit of God is constantly washing the sins of the church in the blood of Jesus and ironing out the wrinkles of error.

:)

[Imageek]

Interesting thread,

I,m new, please be patient with me concerning quote function.

Not too surprised. Years ago I realized calling myself non-denominational was a denomination too. Oh well. I wasn't out to start a new congregation, still not.

Perfect, No. Forgiven, Yes.

I'm glad you brought up the seven churches John wrote about in Revelation. It does seem that there was a special message to the weak Philadelphia church without correction or rebuke(Revelation 3:7-13).

Indeed I do agree with you. We need to weigh what we hear from the pulpit, what is established as denominational creed, and the overall behavior of those who profess to be Christians regardless of denomination.

Since I do agree with you, and you presented plenty of NT scripture pointing to our only hope, Jesus Christ, I'll throw this one out there from the OT I believe is in agreement. (He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8).

Have an excellent,

Imageek



Jesus is the sole way to the Father (John 14:6). Jesus promised to build only one church (Matt. 16:18 & Eph. 1:22-23; 4:4), and purchased it with His blood (Acts 20:28). It was established in Acts chapter 2 (see Acts 2:36-38,41,47), and made up of individual Christians (see 1 Cor. 12:27). Christians that live in different geographical regions worship in churches (note the plural usage e.g. the seven churches of Asia in Rev. chapters 2-3).

Was there a church in the N.T. that was 100% perfect? Read what Jesus has to say to each of the seven churches in Asia in those early chapters of Revelation. See what was wrong and what was right. Also, think about the church in Corinth and the many problems that the apostle Paul brought to their attention in his 1st. Epistle to the Corinthians. There were problems . . . and they still were a church of Christ. Now, what were they told to do about their problems? Take the issue of who taught them the gospel or baptized them into Christ (see Acts 18:8). Read the first chapter of 1st. Corinthians and determine if the division caused by misplaced attention given to various teachers or preachers is acceptable. Then, go over to chapter 5. See if fornication is acceptable and to be tolerated among God's people. The point? God's people are admonished to make correction when sin enters their lives. They are NOT perfect -- but always seeking to serve God, repent of sin (e.g. Acts 8:22) that is brought to their attention, and strive to better serve God in the future. :bow:

The key thing to consider in the context of this discussion is deciding which church Jesus established. Any churches NOT based on the authority of the Lord (Col. 3:17) - - lacking Scriptural authority for the name of the church, the name its member call themselves by, how the church is organized, how the church worships, and the plan of salvation it teaches - - is 100% wrong.
Why NOT start comparing the many churches that exist today with what the New Testament teaches about the church. :eek: What you find may really be surprising.

[JVD]

Is there one single church in this country or anywhere that is 100% right? What do you think ..... I think there are tons of churches that are 100% right and tons that arent .... either you're right or wrong. In the bible it says there is no middle ground. You are either on one side of the fence or on the other side. I believe that my church is 100% right.
The bible says to be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. If you dont think your church is 100% right then why go there why take a risk like a risk between life or death , heaven or hell. And in no way am i saying that the methodist is wrong or the baptist is wrong or any denomonation on this whole site. I havent been to most of the churches y'all talk about. We as people or humans cant not be perfect at all its not possiable. We cant! But through God we can be. Through the new way that Christ set up, we can be perfect and go to heaven were no unperfect thing is allowed. But those are just my thoughts let me know what ya think thanks!

I'd like to see the doctrinal statement of your church so that I can know what is 100% right!

[abednego]

To all that have posted --- seems the easiest way to do this --- What does perfect mean to you? 100%? Say I look a girl and think wow she "perfect" ( you know how guys will sometimes say that about a girl) but another guy may dislike her very much and think she is a far from perfect. I said earlier that no HUMAN can be PERFECT OR 100% RIGHT! But it is through Christ that we are perfect, he makes us a new creater when we are saved. Many times he corrects us or our church. In the bible it says that we must repent daily. Because sometimes we think things we shouldnt but God is always there to help us and keep us without spot or wrinkle, we have to be ready at all times, like someone said hes always ironing us out and keeping the wrinkles out. Its not by any good works we have done but it is through Jesus Christ that we are saved.

[abednego]

I hope that makes more sense

[- DRA -]

To all that have posted --- seems the easiest way to do this --- What does perfect mean to you? 100%? Say I look a girl and think wow she "perfect" ( you know how guys will sometimes say that about a girl) but another guy may dislike her very much and think she is a far from perfect. I said earlier that no HUMAN can be PERFECT OR 100% RIGHT! But it is through Christ that we are perfect, he makes us a new creater when we are saved. Many times he corrects us or our church. In the bible it says that we must repent daily. Because sometimes we think things we shouldnt but God is always there to help us and keep us without spot or wrinkle, we have to be ready at all times, like someone said hes always ironing us out and keeping the wrinkles out. Its not by any good works we have done but it is through Jesus Christ that we are saved.

"Perfect" suggests that which is complete e.g. 2 Timothy 3:16-17, James 1:25.

A number of factors are involved in our salvation i.e. Titus 2:11, Eph. 2:5, 8-9, James 2:14-26, 1 Peter 1:22, 3:21.

The process of dying to sin and becoming alive to God is described in detail in Romans 6:3-11, but I encourage you to continue reading through the end of the chapter. Many like to focus on the "gift of God" in verse 26 without considering the context of the discussion and how the gift was obtained.

Cornelius is an example of one who did good works but still needed to hear the gospel of Christ (see Acts chapter 10).

Jesus discusses where sin originates in Matthew 5:28; 15:18-20. :idea:

[abednego]

"Perfect" suggests that which is complete e.g. 2 Timothy 3:16-17, James 1:25.

A number of factors are involved in our salvation i.e. Titus 2:11, Eph. 2:5, 8-9, James 2:14-26, 1 Peter 1:22, 3:21.

The process of dying to sin and becoming alive to God is described in detail in Romans 6:3-11, but I encourage you to continue reading through the end of the chapter. Many like to focus on the "gift of God" in verse 26 without considering the context of the discussion and how the gift was obtained.

Cornelius is an example of one who did good works but still needed to hear the gospel of Christ (see Acts chapter 10).

Jesus discusses where sin originates in Matthew 5:28; 15:18-20. :idea:
2 Timothy 3: 16-17 - 2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

James 1:25 - James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:14
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James 2:15
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
James 2:16
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
James 2:22
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James 2:25
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:


Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:8
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Romans 6:9
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Romans 6:10
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Matthew 15:20
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.