New Pope Elected for Roman Catholics

[Matrona]

Wince! :doh:

Let's hope Joseph Ratzinger joins the Catholic Church someday.

:clap: ^_^


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Maximus again.



Rats.

[Maximus]

I'll give you a topic. Grape Nuts are neither grapes nor nuts. Discuss.

That undoubtedly would be about as profitable as the discussion we've been having.

[Xpycoctomos]

and yet we participate ;)

[Rilian]

Weren't grape nuts anathematized in some council?

[Xpycoctomos]

It wsa going to be, but then the Fathers gave it 30 days and noticed such a difference that they accepted them.

[Rilian]

- :D

[Highway of Life]

I doubt there is anyone who has the backbone to withstand the nasty backlash that would result from that! Half of the Catholic Church would schism from Rome if Rome tried to do such a thing. I used to view Cardinal Ratzinger as being the answer to many of the problems which now face the Roman Catholic Church, now I understand that it is a systemic issue and can't be solved by any one man. But, as many have said, I don't think anyone should get their hopes up! The only way to fix things completely would be to become Orthodox again! :):amen:
Actually, Cardinal Ratzinger always was laying the boom on the libs, and receiving severe backlash from it... We expect more of that from him since he has become Pope Benedict XVI. The backlash can't get much worse than it already is. The libs are already really whining and in an uproar. And the Church being that it has never split, will never split. They don't even worry about that.

But you are right, :amen: if the libs became Orthodox, it would solve everything. I love it! Cool idea. :thumbsup:

Highway

[Highway of Life]

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I must say that this is one thing I prefer about this new Pope. No disrespect intended towards the late and great Pope Jouhn Paul II, but I could never agree with his 1986 Assisi inter-religious prayer gathering (let alone kissing the Koran, a piece of demonic and anti-christian literature). I was elated to hear that one of the few things that separated Pope Benedict XVI and John Paul II was this very issue of how they viewed such inter-religious gatherings.


I don't think he will because of what you've already stated above. I could be wrong, but I would be surprised since he has said openly that he feels that such displays are confusing and harmful leading an already wavering Catholic "faithful" into a sort of relativism.

Time shall show. In the end though, I don't think this new Pope will will or can take on Orthodox-Catholic dialogue with the same vigor that the last Pope did. He can (and surely will) participate in such dialogues more that past popes pre-JohnPaulII, but moreso out of a new unspoken policy which John Paul II set in place rather than out of his deep-felt conviction. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he truly desires reconciliation and respects the East, but, not being a Slav, I doubt the conviction can be the same as that of John Paul's. And perhaps that's best for now. Although I don't like to admit it, I do not think the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church will ever completely reconcile. No one is willing to budge and no one really can budge without saying they were wrong. I feel deeply commited to the fact that the Orthodox Church is the full expression of the True Faith and that the Catholic Church is lacking. And I know that Catholics feel exactly the same way about the East. I can only respect that for we are both just as deeply commited to our beliefs. I never want to see the Orthodox Church under the yoke of Rome and I am sure that Roman Catholics would be equally offended at the idea of the Bishop of Rome being "just another Patriarch with no special inherent priviledges except that of honor and special respect. We are at a quagmire, an impasse, and I don't see us getting past this. HOWEVER... I hope that I'm wrong and because of this I support any dialogue that can be had between the East and Rome. Despite what others may think, I do believe that Rome's intentions are many times VERY pure, even if we don't agree with Her conclusions. Even if this doesn't lead to reconciliation (which I willingly admit, it may not) it will at least offer our Church a chance to humble Herself... I personally beleive that our Church can use that.

Mypoint earlier (which I didn't finish) is that perhaps this is good that Rome will not be so insistant on reconciliation and dialogue, while still not abandoning Pope John Paul II's call by any means. It is no secret that the Catholic Church has a lot of house cleaning to do (I mean this with no disprespect at all... I'm stating the obvious which most OBOBers has stated themselves, even if in different words) especially in regards to liturgical abuse. It seems that now they have a Pope who will put more of his energies towards liturgical reforms. While inter-religious dialogue (minus the prayer part) and righting the wrongs of the past was Pope John Paul II's underlying noble conviction throughout his papacy, Calling the catholic Church back to orthodoxy (small "o") may be this Pope's noble battle to fight.

God bless Pope Benedict XVI and the Catholic Church!

John
WOW! AMEN! :amen: Nice post John! very understanding. :hug:

Now turn your darn rep thingy on!!!

Highway of Life

[ExOrienteLux]

A heiromonk told me something very interesting today: he's heard that Benedict is thinking of doing something that would remove any and all possibility of Roman reunion with the Church: Fr. says that the Pope may be seriously considering proclaiming the Theotokos as Co-Redemptrix and Mediatrix of All Graces.

Has anyone heard anything along those lines? If that's got even a grain of truth to it, this could be a Very Bad Thing.

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Phillip

[Matrona]

A heiromonk told me something very interesting today: he's heard that Benedict is thinking of doing something that would remove any and all possibility of Roman reunion with the Church: Fr. says that the Pope may be seriously considering proclaiming the Theotokos as Co-Redemptrix and Mediatrix of All Graces.

Has anyone heard anything along those lines? If that's got even a grain of truth to it, this could be a Very Bad Thing.

They've been considering this for awhile. If they do approve those titles, it'll just be another hole in their dinghy.

[Michael the Iconographer]

A heiromonk told me something very interesting today: he's heard that Benedict is thinking of doing something that would remove any and all possibility of Roman reunion with the Church: Fr. says that the Pope may be seriously considering proclaiming the Theotokos as Co-Redemptrix and Mediatrix of All Graces.

Has anyone heard anything along those lines? If that's got even a grain of truth to it, this could be a Very Bad Thing.

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Phillip

Rome has been talking about doing that for atleast 10 years now. Those were the first 2 Roman Doctrines that I found myself openly dissenting from.

[Bonifatius]

Now, if only God would create a German Orthodox Church, then I would be even more happy!



Hi Michael,

you can always come over and start one.

Germany is waiting for you! :wave:

Bonifatius

[Michael the Iconographer]

Hi Michael,

you can always come over and start one.

Germany is waiting for you! :wave:

Bonifatius

The only problem is there are canonical impediments to my being ordained, so if you can find a canonical bishop who is willing to ordain me, that would be great. But first I would need to marry, because I do not plan on being celibate the rest of my life. I would just love to hear the Divine Liturgy prayed in German! "Gebenediet ist den Reich des Vaters, und des Sonnes, und des Heiligen Geist...wieder und wieder lass uns anbeten!" Germany is such a beautiful place and it's people have always been wonderful to me! Not to mention the fact that German bier is by far the best bier in the whole world!

[Julio]

A hieromonk told me something very interesting today: he's heard that Benedict is thinking of doing something that would remove any and all possibility of Roman reunion with the Church: Fr. says that the Pope may be seriously considering proclaiming the Theotokos as Co-Redemptrix and Mediatrix of All Graces.

Has anyone heard anything along those lines? If that's got even a grain of truth to it, this could be a Very Bad Thing.


I myself don't doubt it. In fact, this was the first thing I thought when I heard that he had chosen the name Benedict. Not only did Benedict XV establish the feast of "Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces", but also says in a now famous quote of his encycilcal Inter Sodalicia:

"To such extent did she suffer and almost die with her suffering and dying Son; to such extent did she surrender her maternal rights over her Son for man's salvation, and immolated Him - insofar as she could - in order to appease the justice of God, that we may rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ."

This from the 32nd edition of Denzinger-Schonmetzer's Enchiridion Symbolorum, etc. (but removed from later editions!). The above is important because it was the first time this doctrine was theologically articulated in a document belonging to the ordinary magisterium of the Roman-Latin confession. (Pius XI, however, did refer to her as co-redemptrix point-in-blank in an address, published, as all other pontifical documents, in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis.)
So, to me, "Benedict" sounded like "co-redemption" immediately. We'll see what happens!

[Rilian]

Interesting interview (http://orthodoxytoday.org/articles5/CorrierePatAlexyPope.shtml) with Patriarch Alexy II.

[Alexis OCA]

Interesting interview (http://orthodoxytoday.org/articles5/CorrierePatAlexyPope.shtml) with Patriarch Alexy II.

Thank you for sharing that!

[Rilian]

Also, perhaps something of a little known fact is that Patriarch Alexy II is himself ethnically German (his last name is Ridiger). He is from Estonia, which formed part of the Germanic trading bloc known as the Hanseatic League.

[Padraig]

The only problem is there are canonical impediments to my being ordained, so if you can find a canonical bishop who is willing to ordain me, that would be great. But first I would need to marry, because I do not plan on being celibate the rest of my life. I would just love to hear the Divine Liturgy prayed in German! "Gebenediet ist den Reich des Vaters, und des Sonnes, und des Heiligen Geist...wieder und wieder lass uns anbeten!" Germany is such a beautiful place and it's people have always been wonderful to me! Not to mention the fact that German bier is by far the best bier in the whole world!

Michael,
My Confessor at St Tikhon's is German lineage and he's done some of the petitions in German at his parish. Way cool!

padraig

[Rilian]

Another interesting article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55210-2005Apr14.html) that appeared in the Washington Post.

erfreuen!

[Rilian]

and another (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=globalNews&storyID=2005-04-20T100543Z_01_L20126609_RTRIDST_0_BIGSTORY-POPE-RUSSIA-DC.XML).

[MariaRegina]

and another (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=globalNews&storyID=2005-04-20T100543Z_01_L20126609_RTRIDST_0_BIGSTORY-POPE-RUSSIA-DC.XML).


Thanks for posting those Rilian. Good research.

[Rilian]

No problem. I thought they were interesting.