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Vasya Davidovich
18th April 2005, 10:50 PM
by Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta
(Entered on her behalf)

I apologise in advance if anything I say here seems prideful and judgemental. I wanted to start this thread because I have been really disturbed by some attitudes around here lately. There has been a serious lack of love and humility from Orthodox Christians. If we do not show love, we do not show Christ. And if we do not show Christ, how can we claim to know Him? I found some words from a very wise Father, Elder Paisios, that I think speak to the heart of this matter:
Although the Good God gives us abundant blessings, acts always for our own good and has made everything to be of service to us and to be sacrificed for us, from plants to animals and birds, whether big or small, and even though God Himself sacrificed His life to redeem man, many of us remain indifferent and wound Him with our great ingratitude and insensitivity. And, all of this even though He has given us our conscience as an inheritance together with all His other blessings.

Conscience is the first law of God, which He deeply carved in the hearts of the First Created, and consequently, each one of us takes it as a "photocopy" from his parents when he is born. Those who have managed to sensitize their consciences through the daily study of themselves feel themselves estranged from this world; and, as a result, worldly people are dumfounded by their discerning behavior. Those, however, who do not examine their consciences are neither benefited by spiritual study nor by the advice of the Elders, nor are they even able to keep God’s commandments, since they quickly become insensitive.

Those who are sensitive and have philotimo, and who observe everything with precision, are usually wronged by the insensitive ones due to the constant concessions they make for them out of love. However, God’s love is always on their side. Oftentimes, they wrong themselves due to their hypersensitivity, overemphasizing their minor sins or bearing the burden of others’ faults; but once again, God comforts them with His heavenly kindness and, at the same time, strengthens them spiritually.

Those who wrong or wound sensitive people inwardly are not human.

Those who claim they are sensitive, loving, and discreet and endure the injustices of others, but say, "Let them receive theirs from God," are fooled by the deceiver without realizing it, since this is a way to curse politely. In this life everyone takes exams in order to pass on to eternal life, Paradise. It is my feeling that this polite curse is below the spiritual passing mark.

Kindness softens and opens up the heart, as oil opens a rusty lock.

Those who come close to people in pain, naturally draw near to God, because God is always by the side of His children who are in pain.

God spiritually strengthens His children who have philotimo, who help their fellow men carry their crosses, and He relieves them from their own crosses (trials).
This is a poem written by St. Silouan the Athonite on the subject of repentence and humility. This should be the prayer of our hearts:

What shall I render unto Thee, O Lord,
for that Thou hast poured such great mercy on my soul?
Grant, I beg Thee, that I may see my iniquities,
and ever weep before Thee,
for Thou art filled with love for humble souls,
and dost give them the grace of the Holy Spirit.

O merciful God, forgive me.
Thou seest how my soul is drawn to Thee, her Creator.
Thou hast wounded my soul with Thy love,
and she thirsts for Thee, and wearies without end,
and day and night, insatiable, reaches toward Thee,
and has no wish to look upon this world, though I do love it,
but above all I love Thee, my Creator,
and my soul longs after Thee.

O my Creator, why have I, Thy little creature,
grieved Thee so often? Yet Thou hast not remembered my sins.

Glory be to the Lord God that He gave us His Only-begotten
Son for the sake of our salvation.
Glory be to the Only-begotten Son that He deigned to be
born of the Most Holy Virgin, and suffered for our salvation,
and gave us His Most Pure Body and Blood to eternal life,
and sent His Holy Spirit on the earth.

O Lord, grant me tears to shed for myself,
and for the whole universe,
that the nations may know Thee and live eternally with Thee,
O Lord, vouchsafe us the gift of Thy humble Holy Spirit,
that we may apprehend Thy glory.

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta
18th April 2005, 11:06 PM
Thanks!:clap: The CF gremlins have been messing with my account, I guess.

countrymouse33ad
18th April 2005, 11:10 PM
Amen.

Thank you, GDE (and Vasya, for re-posting this for her).

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Here are two excerpts from Fr. Thomas Hopko's Lenten Spring, chapter 31, "St. John Chrysostom on Fasting."

So that when we have gone through the labor of fasting we do not lose the crown of fasting, we must understand how and in what manner it is necessary to conduct the business since the Pharisee also fasted, but afterward went away empty and destitute of the fruit of fasting. The Publican did not fast, and yet he was accepted in preference to him who had fasted in order that you may learn that fasting is unprofitable unless all other duties accompany it.

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Let the mouth also fast from disgraceful speeches and railings. For what does it profit if we abstain from fish and fowl and yet bite and devour the brothers and sisters. The evil speaker eats the flesh of his brother and bites the body of his neighbor. Because of this Paul utters the fearful saying, "If you bite and devour one another take heed that you are not consumed by one another." (Gal. 5:15). You have not fixed your teeth in his flesh, but you have fixed your slander in his soul and inflicted the wound of evil suspicion, and you have harmed in a thousand ways yourself and him and many others, for in slandering your neighbor you have made him who listens to the slander worse, for should he be a wicked person, he becomes more careless when he finds a partner in his wickedness. And should he be a just person, he is tempted to arrogance and gets puffed up, being led on by the sin of others to imagining great things concerning himself. Besides this, you have struck at the common welfare of the Church herself, for all those who hear you will not only accuse the supposed sinner, but the entire Christian community..."

Lord, have mercy.

Vasya Davidovich
18th April 2005, 11:14 PM
Thank you for that post, Elizaveta.

It seems to me that there is a danger inherent in debate. We can so easily lose sight of the fact that the person we are addressing is an icon of God.

In Genesis it is said that man was made in the image and likeness of God. That likeness is marred by our sins, our lack of love, our heresies. And if when we attempt to restore that likeness to our friends (or our brothers and sisters), we fall into the habit of speaking harshly or aggressively, then we have failed to see the image (icon) of God in that person while attempting to reestablish the likeness. How weird is that?

Again, in the Gospel, Christ speaks of a mote and a beam in respective eyes. When we speak in anger or in cruelty... a beam clouds our vision, and all our surgery to help another with their mote is for naught. Indeed, we are more likely to wound them deeper.

Practically, theology - doctrine - dogma - is highly important. It is the wall that keeps out the wolves, keeps out the false shepherds, shelters the flock. And thankfully, we are a reasonable sheep, so we can consider and weigh that which threatens us... but we must take caution not to react in fear or anger. Sometimes a sheep is only a sheep, not a wolf in sheep's clothing.

However, and in the final analysis, all our talk is for nothing, all our debate and doctrine is worthless - even following the right Shepherd is useless - if we have not love.

If I speak with all the tongues of angels and have not love, I am what? a clashing cymbal, if memory serves. If I have not love - then I have not the fruit of the Spirit, according to another passage, and if I have not the fruit, Christ says that I am to be cast into the flames.

Orthodoxy is about balance, IMO. Love and doctrine must go together.

As Dianne so aptly said, Lord, have mercy.

Wiffey
19th April 2005, 11:54 AM
Amen. Lord have mercy!

Prawnik
19th April 2005, 08:01 PM
Beautifully put, Tracy. Ignorant rep-fascists.

Stefan Davidovich
19th April 2005, 10:58 PM
We have a thread covering a similar theme in the Baptist forum. I too have been bothered by the way in which posters have been debating in the Baptist forum...it truly is a struggle that we all face.

Excellent post.

Stephen

Michael the Iconographer
19th April 2005, 11:04 PM
Beautifully put, Tracy. Ignorant rep-fascists.

Got you covered there!

Vasya Davidovich
20th April 2005, 02:53 AM
Here's a related question, Elizaveta...

Is gentle teasing allowable?

I would presume it is, provided that it is done in love. This of couse begs the question: how does the recipient of the teasing know it is being done in love? and should teasing therefore be (self-) banned?

Kolya
20th April 2005, 03:10 AM
Here's a related question, Elizaveta...

Is gentle teasing allowable?

I would presume it is, provided that it is done in love. This of couse begs the question: how does the recipient of the teasing know it is being done in love? and should teasing therefore be (self-) banned?

Very interesting observation Vasya. One should bear that in mind as we post; we can not see one onother, or the reader's reaction. But upon reflection, the smilies are there for that reason to assist us in providing "Body language" over the net.

Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta
20th April 2005, 10:01 AM
Here's a related question, Elizaveta...

Is gentle teasing allowable?

I would presume it is, provided that it is done in love. This of couse begs the question: how does the recipient of the teasing know it is being done in love? and should teasing therefore be (self-) banned?
Gosh, I hope so! I have a pretty good sense of humor. I do, however, try to make it obvious that I am only teasing someone, lest they take something the wrong way. I think if one is careful, it should be fine. You also have to know people around here first to know what you can tease about and what you shouldn't. When in doubt, don't do it. I feel like I know most people in TAW well enough that I can tease them a little at times.;)