Coptic family slain in Jersey City

[Konstantinos]

http://www.islamreview.com/news/2005_newsa.htm#9 This is terrible!! opinions?

[Irish Melkite]

Konstantinos,

This story is 3 months old. Arrests were recently made and the whole horrible affair was determined to be unrelated to their faith.

Many years,

Neil

[Konstantinos]

Ok uh then never Mind Sorry :D

[Yeznik]

Ok uh then never Mind Sorry :D

Happy birthday. Are you a Syrian living in Turkey?

[CopticGirl]

This was a horrible story. I still wonder if it was religion related at all.

God Bless.

[domi]

some people r just stupid...killing n e one is just dumb..no matter what reason it's for..no one has the right to take someone else's life into their own hands...that just..AUGH!

[erinipassi]

Hi Everyone,



I disagree that slaying Armanius family was “just a robbery”. Anyone who lived among Muslims fanatics, and knows the way they think and work, can recognise the Islamic handy work. Unfortunately the west still doesn’t understand the way Muslims operate, and this makes it easy for Muslims to target the west.



The Muslims fanatics are known to recruit people to do their handy work, but they will never ever admit in a western world that it was done for religious purposes because that would mean the Federal government being involved and a harsher sentence applied than a “robbery gone wrong” because it would be classified under an act of Terrorism. And the Muslim community will be under more close scrutiny than before and under constant surveillance.



Secondly, Hossam Armanious was very active person who brought several Muslims to become Christian. The Confessional Priest of Hossam and the Coptic Church Congregation in NJ were aware of threats targeting Hossam from the Muslim relatives of those who converted to Christianity. Suffice is to say, that a group of Coptic people in Australia have had contact with Hossam before his death and we are very much aware of what happened.



Here is a link that shows you some Evidence why it is religious related:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005241.php (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005241.php)



In Egypt, when Muslims want to get rid of someone, they either do it with brute force or make it look like an accident. Close relatives, who were active and Muslims threatened to kill them, were burned alive by a Muslim going to their house while they slept, putting on the gas stove and then lighting the whole apartment. So even then, you can’t arrest the culprit because they made it look like an accident. Another Incident happened to a priest in Egypt who the Muslims wanted to get rid because he was active in helping the people. They shaved his brakes so when he drove a few meters from his home, he couldn’t apply the breaks and hit someone. So the Muslim people were waiting for it, and took him out of the car and beat him to death. Then there are accounts of private brutal Coptic killings in Egypt, either by gun or by knife, that never gets spoken about because the families are worried that the Muslims will target the rest of their families.



You also hear about the recent massacre of a Coptic Village “Al-Kosheh” and here are websites about the Al-Kosheh massacre and other killings of Christians:



http://www.copts.net/photos.asp (http://www.copts.net/photos.asp)

http://www.copts.net/martyrs.asp (http://www.copts.net/martyrs.asp)

http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/Egypt.htm (http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/Egypt.htm)



I’ve posted this information, not so that we would hate Muslims, but to be aware of what actually is happening. There are many Muslims who are a product of the religious conditioning they received when they were young. In their Koran, they are taught to kill all Christians and Jews. We need to love them still, have compassion for them and pray for them, but at the same time be extra cautious when we are dealing with them because the conditioning they received can sometimes make them irrational.



Love and blessings

erini

[Konstantinos]

Are you a Syrian living in Turkey? Nope a GREEK living in Turkey (constantinople) OPA OPA YASOU!!!!

[domi]

constantinople.......

Hey i remeber that town from like what is it World history..I didnt know that was Turkey now...I would have kept it Constantinople..sure people wouln't know how to spell it but that's a compelty rocking name..

[Globalnomad]

constantinople.......

Hey i remeber that town from like what is it World history..I didnt know that was Turkey now...I would have kept it Constantinople..sure people wouln't know how to spell it but that's a compelty rocking name..

Domi, you probably know the name Istanbul. The big city at the end of the Mediterranean Sea. That's the new name of Constantinople. (Turkey is the COUNTRY.) It was the Turks who re-named it Istanbul after they captured it in 1453. That is one of the BIG dates in world history - the final fall of the Byzantine (Orthodox) Empire to the Muslim Turks.

You must travel there some day. It is one of the most awesome cities of the world!

[domi]

Domi, you probably know the name Istanbul. The big city at the end of the Mediterranean Sea. That's the new name of Constantinople. (Turkey is the COUNTRY.) It was the Turks who re-named it Istanbul after they captured it in 1453. That is one of the BIG dates in world history - the final fall of the Byzantine (Orthodox) Empire to the Muslim Turks.

That sounds familar...that sounds realy familar..although I think it should have stayed Constantaoble..how cool does that sound? Instanble sounds cool 2 though.

You must travel there some day. It is one of the most awesome cities of the world!

Yah i'm relay hopeing to that. See i'm intersted in medicine and i want to be a peiditriction so i figured mabye i could be a travleing peditration and treat differnt desies around the world...I took a carrerr test adn that was one of the otpions and now I defanilty want to do it.

How did u make ur way all the way to the coptic orthodox forums?! U come here often? I never heard from u before. I mean I'm sure my poast was great n all but I dun think that's how u got here.

[Theophorus]

Robbery was the secondary motive, or an afterthought. This was not a simple robbery gone bad. At the very least, the motive for the killing developed as the robbery was taking place, and it was not simply to conceal the killers' identity.

I hope the truth come out in this.

[domi]

I would like to hear the truth in the situation but no matter what the truth is what thye did was worng..and no one desreved to go though n e of it..makes me wonder why people do these things. What trama were these people put though as chidren that makes them think this is ok?

If we weren't ever torched as children and if we were all brought up with out hate in our hearts and without tramitic experinces then none of this would happen. Why can't this happen? How can god allow this? When is he going to come back to fix it?

[erinipassi]

Hi Domi,

A lot of people ask if God exists why is there so much evil? And the answer is, because God has given us human beings freedom and free will. We have the freedom to do what we want and think what we want, and what happens? We abuse this freedom which is a gift from God that he has given us. It's a bit like Cain and Abel. Why did Cain kill Abel?

God doesnt forget the sufferings of his People. Often People forget that one die they must die and face God. We are comforted to know that those who are faithful to God will have eternal (forever) life in heaven. But those who are not faithful to him and do the wrong things will face eternal Judgement.

Here is a really important verse that St. Paul talks about and I've chosen the NIV version of the bible so the words make sense to you Domi, "Everything is permissible—but not everything is beneficial. Everything is permissible—but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others." (I Corinthians 11: 23-24)

love and blessings
erini

[domi]

oooooo ok i c