I may be removed from posting here

[SonOfThunder]

A thread is happening in the suggestions forum that came from a regular here that is objecting to anyone not totally agreeing to the Nicene Creed to carry another banner and not being allowed to post in the Christian area.

I want to show you what I typed in responce .....



HI :wave:

***** knows me, and perhaps this whole thread is because I post in the Baptist forum as an ex Jehovah's Witness, now attending a Baptist church.

I confess I do not understand trinity, but LOVE God a whole heap, enough to leave all I know and hold dear (including family) to come to being Labelled a NOTHING, or relegated to the non christian area, or eben given a black cross and called a 'Disputed Christian'

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' hurts.

When I was posting serious questions in the non christian area, I had all the odd bods, giving their opionions on The Bible to sift through, and fellow Jehovah's Witnesses ringing the elders of my congregation getting involved.

Life isn't easy when your not sure, in my church at present I am forbidden from joining in any Biblical dicussions due to my upbringing and the opinion I am 'not saved' yet.
I am refused to take communion as I am not a member. I am informed I must be baptised again in order to become a member.

Please consider the pain you cause others in pinning tags and black crosses next to their name and limiting their involvement with the loving kind people I have fellowshipped with in the Baptist forum here in Christian Forum.

I also doubt that the term 'christian' throughout the body of Christ have read, accepted and feel totally comfortable with the Nicene Creed.

If I had been rejected and unloved by the loving people in the Baptist forum a few months ago when things were very very tough, I would have most certainly taken my own life whilst in the pit of depression. They have accepted me with open arms, they answer questions and give me perspective whilst I tred this new road of following Jesus Christ. We all have fun as well. The admins know my position and have never ever said I should not be carrying the banner of the cross or be posting in The Baptist Forum.

Therein is LOVE

James

[FreeinChrist]

Well, I would like to see you continue posting here.

I suspect that person has their own issues, and is speaking out of turn.

[SumTinWong]

If I had been rejected and unloved by the loving people in the Baptist forum a few months ago when things were very very tough, I would have most certainly taken my own life whilst in the pit of depression. They have accepted me with open arms, they answer questions and give me perspective whilst I tred this new road of following Jesus Christ. We all have fun as well. The admins know my position and have never ever said I should not be carrying the banner of the cross or be posting in The Baptist Forum.
No James here, no Bud here. Simple as that.

[rural_preacher]

Stick around James. We like having you here. :thumbsup:


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[Iollain]

If this person thinks they have the definition of the Trinity all explained out i would love to hear it. I don't think it is humanly possible to fully understand the Trinity.

[SumTinWong]

A thread is happening in the suggestions forum that came from a regular here that is objecting to anyone not totally agreeing to the Nicene Creed to carry another banner and not being allowed to post in the Christian area.
By the way James, this person is trying to advocate for people who do not fall into that catagorey of following the whole creed, to have a Christian icon, but still not post in the Christian only section. They want to be viewed as Christians, and because they do not follow the creed they are told they are not. He is trying to change that. I agreed with him by the way.

It is a rule set by Erwin, that if you do not adhere to the creed, you cannot post in Christian only sections. I disagree with this, as in your case you are in a Baptist church and are honestly seeking the truth, but this aint my shebang.

[Gold Dragon]

According to the letter of the law of the rules here in CF, the person who is objecting to you posting on the Christian only forums is correct, you shouldn't be posting here. However, taking that to its logical conclusions, almost every young Christian that hasn't gone through a course on theology or the nicene creed should also be excluded.

I think the spirit of the rule is to exclude those who actively oppose specific sections of the Nicene creed and not simply those who are ignorant (through lack of exposure) or struggling to understand and agree with sections of the creed.

I would say most baptists should be excluded too because few can agree to the line about baptism if interpreted at face value as water baptism.

[Gold Dragon]

Also James, I think they should definitely let you stay in the Christian-Only forums and I will be in your corner if they don't. :)

I should also add that if in some point in time you decide that you do reject the doctrine of the Trinity, I believe you would have the integrity to remove yourself from the Christian-Only forums.

[LostnFound]

I'm with Bud...No James, No Stephanie

[Matthan]

James, if they do anything at all to you, then they do it to every Christian who frequents this particular forum. I, like many others, will leave in a heartbeat if I find they have suspended you. I have noticed that yahwehLove has not been around for a spell, and I am beginning to suspect he has been suspended. (Mods, speak out if I am wrong on this one.)

If anyone expects me to give approval to any creed, I sure hope they are not holding their breath during the wait. I would refer them quickly to my close friend and advisor, who is Helen Waite. They can also go to Helen Waite for my answer.....

Matthan <J><

[Matthan]

Could somebody help me out here. Where can I find the "Suggestions" forum?????

Matthan <J><

[Gold Dragon]

yahwehLove has not been around for a spell, and I am beginning to suspect he has been suspended.

If YahwehLove was suspended or banned, it was because he couldn't behave himself with folks he disagreed with and act in a gracious manner. Not because of any particular position he held or didn't hold.

[Freedom&Light]

SonsofThunder,

I don't think there's any danger of being removed from here. 1. You attend a Baptist church, which is one of the rules of this forum. 2. You don't deny the existence of the Trinity (at least not to my knowledge)- you just haven't wrapped your head completely around it yet, which is true of a lot of Christians. As long as you don't outright deny the possibility of the exitence, I think (from what I've read about the rules) you're ok.

Try not to worry- it seems like you are completely welcomed in here, regardless. :)

[SumTinWong]

Could somebody help me out here. Where can I find the "Suggestions" forum?????

Matthan <J><
http://www.christianforums.com/f398-questions-about-cf.html

[Facing East]

Why would a Christian reject the Nicene Creed?

[newbeliever02072005]

Why would a Christian reject the Nicene Creed?

Please keep in mind I'm new at this but I have a question....what is a Nicene Creed?

To make a comment about Sons of Thunder's worry. It is sad to think that you have to worry about fellowshiping with fellow christians just because you don't "belong" to a certain group. I thought one of the two greatest commandments was this:

Mark 12:31 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' - There is NO commandment greater than these."

Everyone of us has an important part to play in the Body of Christ and we shouldn't be hurting each other like this. IMHO

God Bless!
newbeliever :)

[SumTinWong]

Why would a Christian reject the Nicene Creed?
It is not really about rejecting the creed, but in this instance not understanding what the details of the creed are, or in other words, what the various beliefs included in the creed mean.

[Matthan]

Why would a Christian reject the Nicene Creed?

Why would a Christian need the Nicene Creed, or any other creed save that which is found in the 66 books of Holy Scripture?

Matthan <J><

[unimportantbuthisnameis]

Please keep in mind I'm new at this but I have a question....what is a Nicene Creed?

To make a comment about Sons of Thunder's worry. It is sad to think that you have to worry about fellowshiping with fellow christians just because you don't "belong" to a certain group. I thought one of the two greatest commandments was this:

Mark 12:31 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' - There is NO commandment greater than these."

Everyone of us has an important part to play in the Body of Christ and we shouldn't be hurting each other like this. IMHO

God Bless!
newbeliever :)


The Nicene Creed was drafted in AD 325 to clearly define the orthodox view on the trinity.

As for the concern of sonsofthunder, I would love to see him continue to post here so that myself and others could try to answer the questions that he asks.

[ZiSunka]

If James gets thrown out of here because he is an ex JW and doesn't yet fully understand that Nicene creed, then I'm outa here, too. Why stick around a place that excludes the people we love and have come to mean so much to us? I can't imagine B/A without you James!

[Victrixa]

I'm really sorry for the struggle you're going through, Son of Thunder. God bless you as you seek Him! :hug:

[Terri]

Don't worry James--your not going anywhere!! :hug:

[SonOfThunder]

:wave: hi all

It is my understanding when you decide to set up in this forum, you chose an icon that best fits you.

When I joint CF I chose one that befitted my (then) current denonination, and was only able to post my serious questions about various Biblical beliefs in the area for non christians, in the unorthodox theology threads.

Upon the decision to follow Jesus and allow being disfellowshipped and consequentially leave home to follow this path. I approached Erwin about changing names and moving within the Christian area of CF.

I still could not meet the criteria of the forum, but it was suggested that I should adopt the current icon I now have, in order that I could maintain positive feedback and fellowship with others.

It is my 'thoughts' about being thrown out, should I be backed into a corner about changing my icon to what ahs been suggested by another member. Not the admins placing pressure on me.

I love you guys all sticking up for me :hug: and thank you all for your love and support while I get straight. But to be fair to any admin staff, it's me not them. :blush:

James

[aReformedPatriot]

No James here, no Bud here. Simple as that.

Amen, UB! No James, No TLE.

Bro. James we enjoy your company and fellowship. Your an encouragement to many here and have also edified many here with your solid posts, though you may not feel that way.

Stick around and grow with us.

- mark

[seebs]

The issue, I think, is that if we move to a simpler Creed, such as the Apostle's Creed, the JW's and Mormons can be called "Christians", and many people consider them cults. Me, I don't really care. I think they're wrong on some theology, but I also think the Catholics, Calvinists, Baptists, Lutherans, Orthodox, Presbyterians, and Methodists are wrong on some theology. I am pretty sure I'm wrong on some theology, although I haven't figured out which parts yet.

I don't much care. I'd rather talk with people and have discussions with 'em than kick 'em out.

(Disclaimer: My church has no doctrine at all, so I'm obviously biased towards a fairly mellow approach.)

[Stefan Davidovich]

but I also think the Catholics, Calvinists, Baptists, Lutherans, Orthodox, Presbyterians, and Methodists are wrong on some theology. I am pretty sure I'm wrong on some theology, although I haven't figured out which parts yet.

Yes...on minor points.



The issue, I think, is that if we move to a simpler Creed, such as the Apostle's Creed, the JW's and Mormons can be called "Christians", and many people consider them cults. Me, I don't really care.



The problem with the Mormons and JW's is VERY different from the problems within Christendom. JW's and Mormons are missing the major points! They are missing out on the very heart of Christianity...I don't know about them being cults but they certainly are different religions and therefore false and without hope.


It is not really about rejecting the creed, but in this instance not understanding what the details of the creed are, or in other words, what the various beliefs included in the creed mean.


Yes and that is truly unfortunate.

[aReformedPatriot]

The issue, I think, is that if we move to a simpler Creed, such as the Apostle's Creed, the JW's and Mormons can be called "Christians", and many people consider them cults. Me, I don't really care. I think they're wrong on some theology, but I also think the Catholics, Calvinists, Baptists, Lutherans, Orthodox, Presbyterians, and Methodists are wrong on some theology. I am pretty sure I'm wrong on some theology, although I haven't figured out which parts yet.

I don't much care. I'd rather talk with people and have discussions with 'em than kick 'em out.

I'd be totally opposed.

(Disclaimer: My church has no doctrine at all, so I'm obviously biased towards a fairly mellow approach.)

:scratch: No doctrine? No "didaskalia" διδασκαλίa for seebs?

[seebs]

No doctrine at all. We leave the question up to individuals to work out.

That said... The current policy is that we say "Nicene Creed", but obviously, we don't really enforce it; most of the users have never even read it.

[aReformedPatriot]

No doctrine at all. We leave the question up to individuals to work out.

That said... The current policy is that we say "Nicene Creed", but obviously, we don't really enforce it; most of the users have never even read it.

Your a strange one Seebs. Im afraid I havent met anybody like you before.

[aReformedPatriot]

Why would a Christian need the Nicene Creed, or any other creed save that which is found in the 66 books of Holy Scripture?

Matthan <J><


To save space? :confused:

[seebs]

Your a strange one Seebs. Im afraid I havent met anybody like you before.

I think there are a couple of other people who go to Quaker churches here.

The underlying concern is that, given fallible human understanding, no set of words assures correct doctrine. So why waste time arguing over words?

[eldermike]

One thing we have to keep in mind. All statements of faith are adopted on faith. They all begin with "we believe" , and are filled with impossible to prove statements. Intellectual assent is not only not required, it's an impossible standard, not to mention, faith to accept is itself a gift.

So, James please stay and grow in faith, but don't expect a careful answer given here or there to be the key to understanding our creeds. They are statements of faith, taken on faith, a faith given as a gift from God.

Again, stick around, don't let this get you down.

[ZiSunka]

No doctrine at all. We leave the question up to individuals to work out.

That said... The current policy is that we say "Nicene Creed", but obviously, we don't really enforce it; most of the users have never even read it.

When I first started coming here, there were no "Christians only" areas. But after we had a couple attacks by atheists and militant gays who totally spammed and flamed everything they could and posted obscene links and pictures, the rules were changed. Then because there were complaints that JWs and mormons were posting as Christians, the system of agreeing to the creed came to be.

I personally liked interacting with all kinds of people regardless of denomination or acceptance of Christ, but I understand how difficult it would be for the mods to keep everything sorted out if interdenominational or interfaith fighting started up all over again.

[seebs]

What mostly bothers me is simply that, in fact, we have more people who go to mainstream denominations, but do not accept the Creed, than we have ever had Mormons or JWs. I don't like a policy which isn't really what it says it is.

[SonOfThunder]

What mostly bothers me is simply that, in fact, we have more people who go to mainstream denominations, but do not accept the Creed, than we have ever had Mormons or JWs. I don't like a policy which isn't really what it says it is.

you will never ever have a creed that fits the label of 'christianity'
our only hope (thank God) is through Jesus Christ who gave us mere humans an easy way to Him.

Humans will always complicate the most simple words. Thats life. The more you try to tag people the longer the list.

James

[Warren Peace]

Dear SonOfThunder,

You are facing tough times and rejection my brother, but don't give up. Jesus never gave up, in fact He gave everything He had when it seemed that everyone was rejecting Him!

Stand up for your beliefs. You say you love God but don't understand the Trinity? I don't see a sin there! Loving God is what He wants! Understanding will come in its time with reading the Word of God and asking questions.

I was born Jewish. I've been a Christian for three and a half years now. I understood even less of the Trinity when I confessed my sins and accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour than you do. How did I do it? By faith, and the hunger to know more.

God bless you brother, and don't be fooled by people disguising themselves as Christians while they point fingers at you... pointing fingers is the devil's job. Just ignore them and listen to what God has put into your heart.

:amen:

[Crazy Liz]

:topic: question:

Hey, how come there are now 2 different formats for quotes?

Posts #29 and #30 both have quotes, but #29 has a square around the quotes like I've seen in some other forums, but #30 has the bubble I usually see on CF.

Do they look different to everybody?

[aReformedPatriot]

:topic: question:

Hey, how come there are now 2 different formats for quotes?

Posts #29 and #30 both have quotes, but #29 has a square around the quotes like I've seen in some other forums, but #30 has the bubble I usually see on CF.

Do they look different to everybody?

Yes. Its a bug in the system. Erwin recently created the option to turn off the JAVA Countdowns that people put in their SIGS. Those who have the Java things off now have a weird style of quoteing. I have it off and if I have a normal quote box then the bug was fixed.

[mesue]

I was born Jewish. I've been a Christian for three and a half years now. I understood even less of the Trinity when I confessed my sins and accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour than you do. How did I do it? By faith, and the hunger to know more.

Hey! How cool!
I have heard Jews that convert to Christianity called Completed Jews. I think that would be the utmost coolest title to have, to be completed in Christ. What a blessing.

[Warren Peace]

Hey! How cool!
I have heard Jews that convert to Christianity called Completed Jews. I think that would be the utmost coolest title to have, to be completed in Christ. What a blessing.Thank you for the kind compliment.

Jews who accept Christ have many names... some good, some bad. The important thing is that we have accepted Christ. All the rest are bells and whistles.

God bless...

[Gwenyfur]

Hang tough buddy...

Don't let 'em get to ya ;)

Huggles,
K