Quick question on OSAS

[Freedom&Light]

I've never heard the term OSAS until l came to CF, so I just have a quick question:

Is the idea behind OSAS that if a Christian strays from Christ, but later comes back, his/her salvation is still assured?

Can one "lose" salvation- by choosing to walk away from God completely?

Am I on the right track?

[Sword-In-Hand]

I've never heard the term OSAS until l came to CF, so I just have a quick question:

Is the idea behind OSAS that if a Christian strays from Christ, but later comes back, his/her salvation is still assured?

Can one "lose" salvation- by choosing to walk away from God completely?

Am I on the right track?

I usually don't answer questions about OSAS, because I firmly believe in it and don't see the point of debating, but I'll try to explain something.

It's more commonly known, at least around my parts, as Eternal Security.

No, I think the point of OSAS is that we can do nothing to get ourselves saved, so there is nothing we can do to get ourselves "unsaved" either. Salvation is by God's grace and we are kept by His Spirit.

You might hear people say people can freely give up their salvation, but I don't believe that at all.

[Freedom&Light]

I was a little reluctant to ask, because I don't want a debate either, just info.

Thanks!! :)

[Fat]

I've never heard the term OSAS until l came to CF, so I just have a quick question:

Is the idea behind OSAS that if a Christian strays from Christ, but later comes back, his/her salvation is still assured?

Can one "lose" salvation- by choosing to walk away from God completely?

Am I on the right track?

Matthew 10:28*Don't fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; but rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29*Aren't two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them falls to the ground without your Father's consent.

Matthew 18:13*And if he finds it, I assure you: He rejoices over that sheep more than over the 99 that did not go astray. 14*In the same way, it is not the will of your Father in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

John 17:11-16
11*I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, protect them by Your name that You have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are. 12*While I was with them I was protecting them by Your name that You have given Me. I guarded them and not one of them is lost, except the son of destruction, that the Scripture may be fulfilled. 13*Now I am coming to You, and I speak these things in the world so that they may have My joy completed in them. 14*I have given them Your word. The world hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15*I am not praying that You take them out of the world, but that You protect them from the evil one. 16*They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.



I just don't see any man having the power to fight the will of God.

[Stinker]

I've never heard the term OSAS until l came to CF, so I just have a quick question:

Is the idea behind OSAS that if a Christian strays from Christ, but later comes back, his/her salvation is still assured?

Can one "lose" salvation- by choosing to walk away from God completely?

Am I on the right track?


Only people who have never had a born-again experience (Jn.3:3-8) can "lose salvation- by choosing to walk away from God completely."


If a born-again person strays from the path and gets mixed up in a sinful situation (such as if a born-again HS Senior ends up being enticed to drink with others at prom time) then gets into a car crash and is killed, God will overlook the mess up.

All other Denominations and so called non-denominational churches, teach that this young person's mess up cost them their eternal salvation.

[kyzar]

All other Denominations and so called non-denominational churches, teach that this young person's mess up cost them their eternal salvation.

Not entirely true. I know a reformed chuch and man non-baptist denominations that would be totally secure with the fact that the above young person would go to heaven despite this one mix up...

I do tend to agree however that many denominations have difficulty explaining why they believe this without OSAS...

I have also heard of instead of OSAS it should be OTSAS (Once Truely Saved Always Saved). Although this always brought up the dilemma of "how do you know if your truely saved"...

This is a very in depth and difficult emotional topic, I find it best to not get into heated debates around it and save myself and others from spiritual insucurity...

[JustinWindsor]

Do you feel secure in your salvation? Do you enjoy the peace of Christ? Do you see assurance of salvation in Scripture? Are you serving God as a slave to Christ out of your love for Him? This should indicate to you that you are 'born from above'.

If you are doing 'good' in order to be worthy of heaven, that's wrong motive. Then you're doing it for you. You are a slave to sin.

Then again...there are those who think they're saved and wrongly think they can sin all the more, of course that's silly. That is an unrepentant heart. It is unscriptural, however, to think that you lose your salvation everytime you sin. If you are 'born from above' your Counsellor and Guide will unfailingly lead you to repent. And Scripture says, you will be forgiven every time you repent.

[If Not For Grace]

As always I'm a little different, I believe YOU can walk away from God. (Turn your back so to speak). (See threads on "The unpardonable sin"). Remember

Judas I. was also chosen and walked with Jesus..

Lucifer was also in Heaven.. "and 1/3 of heaven went with him"...

You can choose to leave but WHY would you? That's what I can not comprehend.

I do not beleive God will turn His back on you. (Debates unnecessary, it's already been done).. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_1_204.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm11798US) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_12_9.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm11798US)

[A Brother In Christ]

I've never heard the term OSAS until l came to CF, so I just have a quick question:

Is the idea behind OSAS that if a Christian strays from Christ, but later comes back, his/her salvation is still assured?

Can one "lose" salvation- by choosing to walk away from God completely?

Am I on the right track?

eternal security

God judges the heart...

If a sheep walks away from God then God goes and gets him one way or another matt 18:12-14, Hebrews 12:3-11, John 10:26-27, ect

if God does not get him ...he is a goat

[newbeliever02072005]

You might hear people say people can freely give up their salvation, but I don't believe that at all.

Why? Can you believe in Jesus and the salvation that he has given us one minute. Find ourselves straying from the word/relationship of the Lord and get consumed by the views of other religions....ie: hinduism? Couldn't the evil of satan work his mis-doings on someones mind so much that he has snatched a "OSAS" person from the Lord?

God Bless!
newbeliever :)

[rural_preacher]

Ephesians 1:13,14


And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.



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[novcncy]

Only people who have never had a born-again experience (Jn.3:3-8) can "lose salvation- by choosing to walk away from God completely."


If a born-again person strays from the path and gets mixed up in a sinful situation (such as if a born-again HS Senior ends up being enticed to drink with others at prom time) then gets into a car crash and is killed, God will overlook the mess up.

All other Denominations and so called non-denominational churches, teach that this young person's mess up cost them their eternal salvation.

I have a small issue with this...God WILL NOT overlook sin. Rather, Jesus' blood has paid for ALL of our sins, so it is covered and paid for by Jesus' blood, and His atoning work on the cross. That is why no amount of sin after salvation will cause one to become "unsaved"; because while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, and prepaid the penalty for each and every sin ever committed.

[mesue]

I've never heard the term OSAS until l came to CF, so I just have a quick question:

Is the idea behind OSAS that if a Christian strays from Christ, but later comes back, his/her salvation is still assured?

Can one "lose" salvation- by choosing to walk away from God completely?

Am I on the right track?


Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[novcncy]

Why? Can you believe in Jesus and the salvation that he has given us one minute. Find ourselves straying from the word/relationship of the Lord and get consumed by the views of other religions....ie: hinduism? Couldn't the evil of satan work his mis-doings on someones mind so much that he has snatched a "OSAS" person from the Lord?

God Bless!
newbeliever :)

If the "evil of Satan" could trick people out of their salvation, then the entire human race is doomed. Satan is far beyond us, and easily able to trick us, so it's just a matter of time, if it is at all possible. Praise God, it is not possible; God is able to keep that which is His. Here are some scriptures on the topic. Read up on them, I would recommend at least the entire chapters so as to get the context, and see how God impresses them on your heart.

John 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

All of 2 Timothy 1, but summed up in verse 12,

2 Timothy 1:12 - for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Jude 24 - Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 - To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.