New Found Respect

[BjBarnett]

Ive always had a lot of respect for Baptists because basically my entire family is Baptist and I have learned a lot about the faith from Baptist influences. But tonight I was watching the local news and come across this story (http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=3195806). It is about a Baptist church that put up a sign that comes off really bad to Catholics. Now I know what your thinking. Why would you have respect for that? Well I dont have respect for that. I find it really offensive. What I have respect for is all the other Baptist churches and organizations that have stepped up and publically denounced the sign. They could have ignored it and let it go but they done the right thing and that is what makes me have great respect for Baptist. Even the SBC denounced it (even though the church was no associated with them). Very cool in my book! I know you guys probably didnt know anything about this and all but I just wanted to extend a great big thanks to all Baptist and tell about the great respect that the local baptist churches have gained from me! :hug: :hug: :crossrc:

Ben

[SumTinWong]

You in Knoxville? My wife and i lived there for a about three months. Great town.

[Gwenyfur]

Not all baptists are catholic hating heretic screaming maniacs....;) In fact a few of us believe in the Universal Church...;)
God Bless ya man!

[BjBarnett]

You in Knoxville? My wife and i lived there for a about three months. Great town.

nope. I live fairly close to Knoxville so most of our local TV stations come out of Knoxville. I live about 70 miles north of knoxville in a place called Middlesboro, Ky.

[GreenEyedLady]

What did the sign say. I could not see on the link what it said

[BjBarnett]

"No Truth No Hope Following a Hellbound Pope" and "False hope in a fake pope." on the back.

[SumTinWong]

Yikes. Methinks this fella has bit of 'splaining to do come judgement day.

[BBAS 64]

"No Truth No Hope Following a Hellbound Pope" and "False hope in a fake pope." on the back.

Good Day, BJ

I am a little concerned at why you have no respect for a group of people who are not Romanist and belive that the teaching of the Roman Catholic "denomination" to be contray to the Gospel contained in the Scriptures. It seems that this Pope did very little to correct the errors of that church to bring them in line with soild biblical teachings which Trent erred on. Some of what he wrote I would agree with him on.

It appears that these people have the guts to write and post what they feel on an issue wheather you agree with them or not, At least you have to admit they are consistant. It seems that those who belive one thing but from some form of post modern garbage will not stand up for what they say they believe when push comes to shove:mad: .

A good listen if you are so inclined, for a non RC perspective:

http://www.cmfnow.com/Download/gb1432.mp3

Bj, I hope you take this in the way I intended it.

Peace to u,

Bill

[SumTinWong]

I am a little concerned at why you have no respect for a group of people who are not Romanist and belive that the teaching of the Roman Catholic "denomination" to be contray to the Gospel contained in the Scriptures.
Then you must be really concerned about me because I am agreeing with him and think these people are sickening, along with those who agree with them.

How is that?

It seems that this Pope did very little to correct the errors of that church to bring them in line with soild biblical teachings which Trent erred on. Some of what he wrote I would agree with him on.
Why not worry about the errors in your own church BBAS? Have they got it all together yet? No? Then quit barking at the fire truck while your own house is on fire...

It appears that these people have the guts to write and post what they feel on an issue wheather you agree with them or not, At least you have to admit they are consistant.
Charles Manson has been consistant too, does that make him right? It does not take guts to put up a sign, anymore than it takes guts to call out people on an internet chat board when you probably wouldn;t say boo to a Catholic in real life.

It seems that those who belive one thing but from some form of post modern garbage will not stand up for what they say they believe when push comes to shove:mad: .
You are right. The correct thing to do is to put up a sign in a church lot denouncing someone who lived a good life, or to take pot shots at a person who cannot debate in your forum... :rollseyes:

[LostnFound]

GO BUD GO BUD GO BUD

I agree...in a nutshell...juvenile cheapshot, to the poster and the church sign!

[BBAS 64]

Not all baptists are catholic hating heretic screaming maniacs....;) In fact a few of us believe in the Universal Church...;)
God Bless ya man!

Good Day, Gwenfur

What does that mean, who are people like that?

Peace to u,

Bill

[Veritas]

Then you must be really concerned about me because I am agreeing with him and think these people are sickening, along with those who agree with them.

How is that?


Why not worry about the errors in your own church BBAS? Have they got it all together yet? No? Then quit barking at the fire truck while your own house is on fire...


Charles Manson has been consistant too, does that make him right? It does not take guts to put up a sign, anymore than it takes guts to call out people on an internet chat board when you probably wouldn;t say boo to a Catholic in real life.


You are right. The correct thing to do is to put up a sign in a church lot denouncing someone who lived a good life, or to take pot shots at a person who cannot debate in your forum... :rollseyes:

:thumbsup: :amen: Props to you, Bud! And a million rep points as well! (Oops, can't do that...no thumbs up available)

[BBAS 64]

Then you must be really concerned about me because I am agreeing with him and think these people are sickening, along with those who agree with them.

How is that?


Why not worry about the errors in your own church BBAS? Have they got it all together yet? No? Then quit barking at the fire truck while your own house is on fire...


Charles Manson has been consistant too, does that make him right? It does not take guts to put up a sign, anymore than it takes guts to call out people on an internet chat board when you probably wouldn;t say boo to a Catholic in real life.


You are right. The correct thing to do is to put up a sign in a church lot denouncing someone who lived a good life, or to take pot shots at a person who cannot debate in your forum... :rollseyes:

Good Day, UB

My goodness I should have put on the fire gear. It was not my intent to call any one out. Wheather we agree or dis agree consistant is always a good thing.

Lived a good life maybe define "good"? What does that have to do with any thing? Would not bet to much on my not saying "boo" to any one.

I was not seeking to debate with any one on this issue, did you listen to the link?

I have nothing againt any one who is a Roman Catholic as a person, though I do think the "denomination" has taught grave errors and contary to the Scriptures, and should be pointed out when possible.

contending for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

Peace to u,

Bill

[Lockheed]

Lived a good life maybe define "good"? What does that have to do with any thing? Would not bet to much on my not saying "boo" to any one.

Right... seems that the focus is off salvation by faith alone in Christ alone and on good works. All the sudden God (or is it Mary as the Vatican has stated) flings the doors of heaven open for a man who's personal motto was "Totally Yours" and was address not to Christ, but to Mary... because his good works outweighed his bad. Tsk tsk.

I have nothing againt any one who is a Roman Catholic as a person, though I do think the "denomination" has taught grave errors and contary to the Scriptures, and should be pointed out when possible.

contending for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

It's unpopular to contend for the once for all delivered faith, BBAS, God bless you.

[Facing East]

Not entirely convinced you;re doing that (defending the faith once for all delivered) - but I don't want to get dinged for debating in a tradition that isn't my own (as it relates to these forums)

[mesue]

The link is bad

Not finding it any where on Google
No Truth No Hope Following a Hellbound Pope Sign Baptist Church

:scratch:

I won't debate nor be bated.

[BjBarnett]

try http://www.wate.com on the frontpage under "news headline" theres a "more" link. if you click that its in that listing. its says "Church sign about pope draws criticism in Newport".

although its the same link that i posted except it works. I dunno why it wont work from CF here it is again if you want to try it before navigating there website
http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=3195806

[SumTinWong]

Good Day, UB
My goodness I should have put on the fire gear. It was not my intent to call any one out. Wheather we agree or dis agree consistant is always a good thing.
Good day it is, the sun is shining and the good Lord has blessed us with one more day!!!
Got your asbestos britches on? Because I plan on being consistantly against people who put up dastardly signs along with the people who shout halleluiah to them when driving by. Is the Baptist faith consistant? Some are Calvinists, some are free, some are Arminian, some are independant fundies, some are liberal gays, some have women pastors and some don't, and some are even just plain arrogant jerks.

So yeah let's be consistant here, shall we?

Lived a good life maybe define "good"?
hahaha man I forget some people just think there is nothing good any of us can do. I must write myself a note to start to care what Calvinistic people think, as it is not sinking in with me yet.
A definition of good:
Possessing desirable qualities; adapted to answer the end designed; promoting success, welfare, or happiness; serviceable; useful; fit; excellent; admirable; commendable; not bad, corrupt, evil, noxious, offensive, or troublesome, etc.

John Paul did possess desirable qualities, promoted success, happiness, and welfare, was useful, servicable, commendable, and was not corrupt, evil, noxious, etc...

He was a good and decent man.

Let me guess now you will tell me that this aint God's definition. So be it, i could care less what you think of that. There are alot of good people who do good things for others on this earth, and while you will say it means nothing in the end, this guy we are talking about did these things in the name of God, for God, and by the power of God. I know you don't agree, but until you have done half as much or even a tenth as much as that man did in the name of God, I think you had better get off the soap box.

The point I was making is that there are people who call themselves, including you and I, Baptists that have done far less for the Lord than he did, and to whistle them on to hell because they are not reformed, is a pretty pathetic and arrogant thing to do.

What does that have to do with any thing?
Alot actually.

I was not seeking to debate with any one on this issue, did you listen to the link?
As much of it as I could stand. Wasn't a bad sermon, I have heard worse, but it seems ultimatley pathetic to preach out about other Christian denominations from the pulpit when your own Christian denomination has gaping holes in it.

I have nothing againt any one who is a Roman Catholic as a person, though I do think the "denomination" has taught grave errors and contary to the Scriptures, and should be pointed out when possible.
I agree with you that there are errors, and I agree that they should be pointed out, but I do not agree with your conclusion of what these errors are.

[BjBarnett]

Actually.... heres the article and the sign. Dunno if I can post this or not but if I cant mods just tell me and ill remove it.

April 11, 2005

By SHASTA CLARK
6 News Reporter

NEWPORT (WATE) -- A sign in front of a Baptist church in Newport is drawing criticism from other churchgoers because of its reference to the pope and hell.

Posted on the sign in front of Hilltop Baptist Church is the message, "No truth. No hope following a hell-bound pope." The other side of the sign reads, "False hope in a fake pope."

An assistant pastor at the church, who declined to go on camera, told 6 News the sign's main message is that people shouldn't put their hope in the pope alone. He insisted the church isn't trying to say the pope is in hell, saying that people are misunderstanding the sign.

"That's what Catholics would say, too. We don't put our hope in the pope alone," explained Father Vann Johnston, with the Knoxville Catholic Diocese. "The pope has a specific office to...a specific function within the Catholic church. But we only claim Jesus Christ as our lord and savior."

Dr. Dan Riley, pastor of Calvary Baptist Church in Knoxville, said, "That's pretty strong language. It's really not about whether you're part of the Catholic church or if you're a Baptist. I know some Baptists who I think are probably not going to be in heaven and I know some Catholics who I think are. That's not our decision. It's really all about Jesus and your relationship with him.""

Johnston said his reaction to the sign is, "It certainly doesn't make me feel good. It makes me feel sad."

Hilltop Baptist isn't listed as part of the Southern Baptist Convention, the umbrella group for most Baptist churches.

A spokesman from the Southern Baptist Convention in Nashville would not specifically comment about the sign, but added, "It's highly presumptuous for any person or church to assume they know for certain the eternal destination of any person."

Father Johnston says some people have misconceptions about the Catholic church's beliefs. Before they judge Catholics, he suggests they talk to a knowledgeable source about the faith.

[SumTinWong]

Right... seems that the focus is off salvation by faith alone in Christ alone and on good works. All the sudden God (or is it Mary as the Vatican has stated) flings the doors of heaven open for a man who's personal motto was "Totally Yours" and was address not to Christ, but to Mary... because his good works outweighed his bad. Tsk tsk. [/size]
Hey we went how many posts about a Catholic subject without Mary?

Must be a record...

[SumTinWong]

"An assistant pastor at the church, who declined to go on camera, told 6 News the sign's main message is that people shouldn't put their hope in the pope alone. He insisted the church isn't trying to say the pope is in hell, saying that people are misunderstanding the sign."

Technically he is right. He said they didn't say the pope was in hell they said he was hell bound. Perhaps they believe in purgatory? :shrugs:

Talks real tough when the camera is on him. Has the guts to put up a sign but when questioned softens it up. Heh.

[BjBarnett]

"An assistant pastor at the church, who declined to go on camera, told 6 News the sign's main message is that people shouldn't put their hope in the pope alone. He insisted the church isn't trying to say the pope is in hell, saying that people are misunderstanding the sign."

Technically he is right. He said they didn't say the pope was in hell they said he was hell bound. Perhaps they believe in purgatory? :shrugs:

Talks real tough when the camera is on him. Has the guts to put up a sign but when questioned softens it up. Heh.

no doubt.

[Terri]

The link is bad

Not finding it any where on Google
No Truth No Hope Following a Hellbound Pope Sign Baptist Church

:scratch:

I won't debate nor be bated.

Yes, the link never worked for me either. But, this thread has achieved it's goal to cause trouble amongst us anyway. Afraid I don't have much respect for people that like to bait others.

[GreenEyedLady]

Yes, the link never worked for me either. But, this thread has achieved it's goal to cause trouble amongst us anyway. Afraid I don't have much respect for people that like to bait others.

Ditto.
This thread should have never been started in here. IMHO, its just a way to cause division among us in here.

[RED that's ME]

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