Fundy Support Center

[Shane Roach]

It's a little known fact that I was among the people that signed to have this Fundamentalist Forum back before it existed. I note there are a good number of people that post more or less fundamental idea here and there. Perhaps some of them don't come here becuase they feel more at home in their particular denominational forums, I don't know.

What I do know is as a person who has been treated up close and personal to a fair amount of harassment both here and at church due to simply voicing fundamentalist beliefs, I want to find and form some support for people who believe. I came back here after a hiatus and could not tell you how relieved I was to finally see some people posting in the debate forums for the sake of fundamental values, only to have a thread closed

I am asking for better forums to go to if I am not welcome here, or for people I can talk to who share common Christian values that I will be able to share some fellowship with trustworthy believers, as I have found my life under severe strain laltely and need the support of Christians, but not the sort who have no faith.

If this all sounds very severe or as if I am somehow stressing out, it may well be that I am. But it is becoming downright impossible for me to even so much as find people I can marginally trust here anymore. I would like very much if not to find support here, for some guidance as to a place online that I can go where simple Christian values are not more or less against the rules to espouse.

[GreenEyedLady]

You know, I feel the same way. Even in my "home" forum which is Baptist, There are things we cannot discuss or BAM.............offical warning. But others in other forums can go right out and bash our beliefs. I am getting tired of this bondage. I am seeking other places to hang out.

GEL

[jlujan69]

It's a little known fact that I was among the people that signed to have this Fundamentalist Forum back before it existed. I note there are a good number of people that post more or less fundamental idea here and there. Perhaps some of them don't come here becuase they feel more at home in their particular denominational forums, I don't know.

What I do know is as a person who has been treated up close and personal to a fair amount of harassment both here and at church due to simply voicing fundamentalist beliefs, I want to find and form some support for people who believe. I came back here after a hiatus and could not tell you how relieved I was to finally see some people posting in the debate forums for the sake of fundamental values, only to have a thread closed

I am asking for better forums to go to if I am not welcome here, or for people I can talk to who share common Christian values that I will be able to share some fellowship with trustworthy believers, as I have found my life under severe strain laltely and need the support of Christians, but not the sort who have no faith.

If this all sounds very severe or as if I am somehow stressing out, it may well be that I am. But it is becoming downright impossible for me to even so much as find people I can marginally trust here anymore. I would like very much if not to find support here, for some guidance as to a place online that I can go where simple Christian values are not more or less against the rules to espouse.

Ya know, for a time I too took a hiatus from CF because I was beginning to allow myself to get stressed out over what got said on here. This time around, if I find myself experiencing ill feelings again, I know what to do--vacation time!

[Rebirth In Flames]

Unfortunately, fundamentalist Christianity is becoming a taboo in American culture; I understand and agree with the points that you brought up and have been struggling with the same issues not just here on the forums, but out in society as well. People these days in the “post modern” era, prefer a watered-down religion that sounds pretty and makes them feel good; their mistake however, is calling it “Christianity”. Christianity is believing in the infallible Word of God, keeping each verse in context to that of the whole Word. Many will profess that they are Christians, they will also say “Lord, Lord!” but completely neglect the fact that they are living and believing in a manner that is not in accordance to the divine context of the Word but rather in context with their own selfish desires and watered-down joke of a faith. I am a fundamentalist, and I’d be happy to post here more often to help support this section of ChristianForums.

[Shane Roach]

I'm glad to see some folks here! It truly makes me feel better inside, knowing that there are people who understand.

I think the thing that kicks me in the chest the hardest is pain of knowing so desperately that there are people out there just like I was when I was young that need to hear the truth, and when I was young you could hear it at church, but now I fear not. And the thing is, even as a young adult it had already gotten to the point where people simply would not stand up and call a sin a sin, and it emboldens one to try things, just like it says in the Bible, and then when you find out what is wrong, specifically with all manner of sexual sin, it just guts you, and yet these Anti-Christ's are able to pass off their beliefs as somehow 'loving'.

Let me tell you, I have experienced a LOT of things because of equivocating in my own life about sexual matters, and the one thing that sex outside the scope of God's plan is NOT is loving. It is a pit, an absolute pit of despair, and the really sad thing is that there is help for it, but you can't get that message out here. You are drowned out by the voices of deceit, if I may be excused for using flowery sounding language.

Thank you all so very much for posting here and giving me a breath of air and some hope. Hope to see some of you around. Matter of fact, hope some of you will maybe post threads of topics of interest.

Love ya!
Shane

[TwinCrier]

Ya know, for a time I too took a hiatus from CF because I was beginning to allow myself to get stressed out over what got said on here. This time around, if I find myself experiencing ill feelings again, I know what to do--vacation time!I also on occasion take a break from this forum. Sometimes I even start to feel physically ill at the support for idoltry, sexual immorality, sabbath keeping, and as of late, the strange practice of of exulting the murder of the preborn and handicapped but opposing the just execution of those offenders. Sometimes I just have to step away from the keyboard and pray for God's peace. This forum is a spiritual battlefield.

[Shane Roach]

Unfortunately, fundamentalist Christianity is becoming a taboo in American culture; I understand and agree with the points that you brought up and have been struggling with the same issues not just here on the forums, but out in society as well. People these days in the “post modern” era, prefer a watered-down religion that sounds pretty and makes them feel good; their mistake however, is calling it “Christianity”. Christianity is believing in the infallible Word of God, keeping each verse in context to that of the whole Word. Many will profess that they are Christians, they will also say “Lord, Lord!” but completely neglect the fact that they are living and believing in a manner that is not in accordance to the divine context of the Word but rather in context with their own selfish desires and watered-down joke of a faith. I am a fundamentalist, and I’d be happy to post here more often to help support this section of ChristianForums.

Well the really funny thing, as far as one can call it 'funny', is a lot of this liberal theology comes straight from places that are well known NOT to be Christian, like Harvard theology or some such, where many will flat out admit they have no real belief in a literal God.

I have been thinking that a real key to Christian community balancing with Christian discipline is the willingness to kick people out, but also to accept them back repeatedly. It seems people want to either kick em out forever or never give a hint that they even think someone is wrong. Little middle ground for proper church discipline as it seems to be explained Biblically.

Anyone notice this, or am I imagining it?

[Angel4Truth]

Well the really funny thing, as far as one can call it 'funny', is a lot of this liberal theology comes straight from places that are well known NOT to be Christian, like Harvard theology or some such, where many will flat out admit they have no real belief in a literal God.

I have been thinking that a real key to Christian community balancing with Christian discipline is the willingness to kick people out, but also to accept them back repeatedly. It seems people want to either kick em out forever or never give a hint that they even think someone is wrong. Little middle ground for proper church discipline as it seems to be explained Biblically.

Anyone notice this, or am I imagining it?Agreed , too many times churches are being exclusive to others , or allowing anything and everything lest they offend someone with the truth or even compromising the truth for their numbers, and that is not real truth and creates even more division between people and the church instead of oneness in Christ.

[Shane Roach]

I got some reasonably good feedback from two mods today, though they have not answered all my questions and concerns. I am going to try to raise some issues in general without doing anything explicitly regarding admin here or any specific administrator, but to speek in terms of all Christians and all Christian leadership.

I was going through it all and two verses came to mind as to what concerns me. One is In Matthew:

Matthew 5:13-1613 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

It seems to me that this means that Christians should be willing to show their work, not to hide behind clandestine secrecy. Indeed, there is also direct word concerning leadership among Christians:

1 Timothy 3:1-131 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

This seems to me to indicate that the leadership of Christians is to be conducted by people who are publically known and their character is publically scrutinized. I think things of this nature are important because we are also taught in rather forcefull terms that there are certain people, especially among those who claim faith in Christ, that we should not even so much as bid "God Speed" to because that associates us with their sin.

2 John 1:10-1110 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

This is a dire warning as far as I am concerned, and it disturbs me deeply that these things are not more commonly addressed. This is teaching that relates to discipline, and is of utmost importance, and no Christian should be trying to somehow stop or marginalize these teachings, I think. It is applicable not just here, but to any church and all those who believe. I am sometimes asked how we are supposed to tell the false from the true, but unless it is possible to talk of such things without finding ones self in trouble, how can there be a conversation on the matter?

There is also the problem that it's necessary to have everything confirmed by two or three witnesses as is mandated repeatedly throughout the Bible in matters of law or church discipline:

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

All of these sorts of things cannot be done in the absence of an open and accountable leadership.

The goal of good discipline is an orderly and productive fellowship. The blueprint for it is given us in the Bible. I hope there can be more discussion of how to best achieve such things.

[BarbB]

Shane - thanks for reminding me of this forum. I have been neglecting it since it's move to the bottom of the Congregation section. I won't do it again! :hug:

Praise report - my stepdaughter discerned enough to remove herself from an ultra-liberal Episcopalian church to an apolitical Episcopalian church. I sent her some more fundy type reading material and the Holy Spirit is beginning to work in her to make her disgusted with the liberal Christianity that's so prevalent. Thank you, Jesus, for your mercy and the guidance of your Holy Spirit! :clap:

[crossrunner]

Count me in as a fundamental christian (I hate the term fundie). I praise God that I can trust HIS Word and live my life according to it...and I praise God that He is in the center of my life!

[Shane Roach]

I also on occasion take a break from this forum. Sometimes I even start to feel physically ill at the support for idoltry, sexual immorality, sabbath keeping, and as of late, the strange practice of of exulting the murder of the preborn and handicapped but opposing the just execution of those offenders. Sometimes I just have to step away from the keyboard and pray for God's peace. This forum is a spiritual battlefield.

Hi!

I don't know how I missed this post, but may God bless you're heart. It is hard and emotionally draining to see the morals of those around you in a culture that really even within my lifetime has just made incredible moves in the direction of immorality and just plain old fashioned filth.

I'm reminded of the verse about how Lot felt his soul vexed constantly by the conversations of the people of Sodom. I don't know if we've sunk quite that low yet, but it doesn't seem too far off to me. I guess part of my problem is I am a bit at a loss as to what my response is supposed to be. I remember Jesus rebuking Peter for cutting off the ear of the guard that was taking him off to be tried and began his passion. On the other hand, there is the idea that soldiers are not sinning just for being soldiers, as long as they are not abusing power and extorting. I wonder if there is some correct response that somehow I am missing in the political sense. Turn the other cheek how far, how often, to what? I don't really have a good perspective to come to grips with the rapid disinitigration of pretty much anything I ever cared about in life, you know?

Wow... So anyhow yeah. Things have just gotten gross. Even though I know myself I have done some things that frankly most of you would yourselves be disgusted by, because I myself am disgusted by them, so I know the temptation. But I don't know how someone, after once experiencing it, does not at least have an inkling that there has to be a better way to live.

I appear to be rambling. Mostly I was just set off by what you said about how things are just SO bad now.

[Shane Roach]

Count me in as a fundamental christian (I hate the term fundie). I praise God that I can trust HIS Word and live my life according to it...and I praise God that He is in the center of my life!

:wave: Good to seeya. Not much going on tonight here it seems. I share your faith in God and His word as expressed in scripture.

[Shane Roach]

Shane - thanks for reminding me of this forum. I have been neglecting it since it's move to the bottom of the Congregation section. I won't do it again! :hug:

Praise report - my stepdaughter discerned enough to remove herself from an ultra-liberal Episcopalian church to an apolitical Episcopalian church. I sent her some more fundy type reading material and the Holy Spirit is beginning to work in her to make her disgusted with the liberal Christianity that's so prevalent. Thank you, Jesus, for your mercy and the guidance of your Holy Spirit! :clap:

It's always uplifting to me to see or hear of someone learning some spiritual discernment. Praise Jesus is right, and the Holy Spirit who points to Him for us. "Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you," as He said. :amen:

[jangnim]

Hi Shane, and everyone else.


I too have felt that there are so many who are against us here on CF. But, Ya know, the Word of God tells us we are going to be hated, as they hated Christ. We seem to have this idea that this means only people outside of the church, but in Mat 13 we read the story of the weeds and the wheat, (a favorite of mine), so we can know with some certainty that there is no place for us that is generally safe, yet we are admonished to be bold in the face of it.

I am reminded that Jesus said, "The foxes have holes, but the Son of man has no place to lay his head". I have of late wondered if this is not to be our lot in life. Most certainly it is really rough to be a fundamentalist Christian in these present days, but we must "gird up our loins" and "run the good race" and "fight the good fight". Brothers and sisters "having done all to stand, stand firm".

Shane, you and I haven't always aspoused the same ideas, but you are my brother, and all who post here, until the day of judgement when all things are revealed, must be given the same quarter. This to me creates a real quandry, since there are wolves among us who wish to do us harm.

I would really like to see discussions in regard to how we can best deal with these things without giving quarter to the devil.

[BarbB]

Hi Shane, and everyone else.


I too have felt that there are so many who are against us here on CF. But, Ya know, the Word of God tells us we are going to be hated, as they hated Christ. We seem to have this idea that this means only people outside of the church, but in Mat 13 we read the story of the weeds and the wheat, (a favorite of mine), so we can know with some certainty that there is no place for us that is generally safe, yet we are admonished to be bold in the face of it.

....

I just had to comment on your comment on the wheat and the tares. In the story, they were told to wait until both were grown to maturity and then to remove the tares from the wheat. I just learned why they were able to do so - it should have been so difficult to remove the weeds when plowing through mature fields. But not so - the wheat bows down and the tares stand straight up above the wheat for all to see. Wow!

[Shane Roach]

Hi Shane, and everyone else.


I too have felt that there are so many who are against us here on CF. But, Ya know, the Word of God tells us we are going to be hated, as they hated Christ. We seem to have this idea that this means only people outside of the church, but in Mat 13 we read the story of the weeds and the wheat, (a favorite of mine), so we can know with some certainty that there is no place for us that is generally safe, yet we are admonished to be bold in the face of it.

I am reminded that Jesus said, "The foxes have holes, but the Son of man has no place to lay his head". I have of late wondered if this is not to be our lot in life. Most certainly it is really rough to be a fundamentalist Christian in these present days, but we must "gird up our loins" and "run the good race" and "fight the good fight". Brothers and sisters "having done all to stand, stand firm".

Shane, you and I haven't always aspoused the same ideas, but you are my brother, and all who post here, until the day of judgement when all things are revealed, must be given the same quarter. This to me creates a real quandry, since there are wolves among us who wish to do us harm.

I would really like to see discussions in regard to how we can best deal with these things without giving quarter to the devil.

I don't recall what we discussed in the past that we disagreed on. As far as I know, there are few things that seem to draw the sort of discipline that necessitates separation from that person from the body of believers. Every last one of them seems to have to do with unrepentant behavior of some sort. Also, all of them seem to come with the caveat that if the person repents, to accept them back within the body. Using that process, the Bible tells us that some will be shamed into repentance, whereas those who leave do so precisely to show that they were never of Christ to begin with.

Your statements about having no safe place really strike a chord with me though. That's exactly how I feel. Still, we're also called to gather together, and that seems to imply pretty strongly that some way or other we can locate those with whom we're supposed to gather. Lately this has become more or less at the forefront of my walk. For some months now I have stopped going to church, and while I know this is a dead wrong decision, it just seems that I can't find a church to go to with people who give me any confidence they give two shakes about Jesus. I was especially shocked to go to a Baptist church and fill in the little form you usually find so that someone will contact you, and have no one contact me!

I think I have made myself very vulnerable over the past year or two because of all this. No doubt I should have just stuck with it and would have found something, but it was really strange to me that I went there for quite a while, filled out the form as I said, and no one took interest in me at all.

I get the feeling that there is supposed to be something very personal about fellowship in the faith and that when it is lacking, it's really a bad, bad sign, given all the powers arrayed against us as Christians.

I need to go through the thread here on how to find a good church I suppose. I used to not be like this and as I said I absolutely believe I SHOULD be going regularly, but I have just been absolutely worn out by it all for some reason.

[jangnim]

I don't recall what we discussed in the past that we disagreed on. As far as I know, there are few things that seem to draw the sort of discipline that necessitates separation from that person from the body of believers. Every last one of them seems to have to do with unrepentant behavior of some sort. Also, all of them seem to come with the caveat that if the person repents, to accept them back within the body. Using that process, the Bible tells us that some will be shamed into repentance, whereas those who leave do so precisely to show that they were never of Christ to begin with.

Your statements about having no safe place really strike a chord with me though. That's exactly how I feel. Still, we're also called to gather together, and that seems to imply pretty strongly that some way or other we can locate those with whom we're supposed to gather. Lately this has become more or less at the forefront of my walk. For some months now I have stopped going to church, and while I know this is a dead wrong decision, it just seems that I can't find a church to go to with people who give me any confidence they give two shakes about Jesus. I was especially shocked to go to a Baptist church and fill in the little form you usually find so that someone will contact you, and have no one contact me!

I think I have made myself very vulnerable over the past year or two because of all this. No doubt I should have just stuck with it and would have found something, but it was really strange to me that I went there for quite a while, filled out the form as I said, and no one took interest in me at all.

I get the feeling that there is supposed to be something very personal about fellowship in the faith and that when it is lacking, it's really a bad, bad sign, given all the powers arrayed against us as Christians.

I need to go through the thread here on how to find a good church I suppose. I used to not be like this and as I said I absolutely believe I SHOULD be going regularly, but I have just been absolutely worn out by it all for some reason.

My dear friend in Christ,

I do feel your pain, and the grief of your words also strikes me. I believe you are right about fellowship, and this is the point I was making in another thread http://www.christianforums.com/t1417932-do-christians-have-to-go-to-church.html. One of the key issues of church life to me is the ability to depend upon your bretheren and they upon you for loving support in Christ. I too went through a time when I didn't go to church, and my friend, it cost me dearly, as I became too weak spiritually to avoid a fall. It cost me pretty much everything.

"Father in heaven, be with Shane, and guide him in his quest for a fellowship. In our world Lord, it has become increasingly hard to find a place of peaceful fellowship, and I would ask that we all find such a place. Help us to reat in your loving arms dear Lord. Amen."

I wrote this regarding fellowship some years ago:


A quest for fellowship.




Sir Crispian looked longingly at the map of his homeland. Beside the map was the quest writ, which the king had issued. The challenge for a new era was given. Of the myriad of knights, only a few were willing to meet the challenge. The quest began, an adventure fraught with danger and possible loss. The only things that Crispian had to protect him were the writ from the king, his fellow quest knights, and his armor. “Go forth and find the Grail, then return it unto me”, was all that the writ said, but it had the seal of the king upon it.




Crispian knew that the other quest knights shared his desire but they really didn’t know him nor did he know them. The quest demanded that they begin. On the way they would get to know each other. The knowledge that they all served the same king would be enough to bind them together as a unit, dedicated to finding what was lost. Hopefully everyone wanted to achieve for the king.




This is our story too. The Grail is the very spirit of the church. We lost it when we lost touch with God and our fellow Christians. It is not enough to go to church. To many, it is an empty practice anyway. Clearly, a lot of people attend church services, not because of a clear desire to be with God, and worship Him, but simply because it is the thing to do. Mom and Dad did it. We always did it, so we continue.




For many, such is the way of Christianity. Like Crispian, the believer is alone in many ways in his quest, not knowing the others who share the quest. Yes, we have a “church family” but it is just as likely we have much closer relationships with the people at the office. The problems don’t stop there however, in that the world is filled with the unholy. We have television shows that promote the ungodly, the violent, and the criminal. The internet assaults us at every front. The speed of life around us, invades our very spirit. When do we get time to worship God and know each other in this fast paced world?




We don’t spend much time with our fellow Christians, and likely less time with God. If asked why they attend, many folks can’t articulate it. You can rest assured when they talk of fellowship, they likely don’t mean what I mean here. Fellowship and real worship are all but lost. To the average church member, fellowship consists of an hour or so after the service eating stale cookies and drinking cheap punch talking about such things as sports, or the weather. This a desperate attempt to avoid closeness. Worship, to these folks is a relatively unfulfilling time in the space of an hour or two each week. A relationship with Christ is a hollow experience. The Bible, while they really want to believe it, is really not very applicable to their lives today.




Like the knight, we have the seal of the king, but that seal has very little power. We have the very Words of the King, but again can’t find the power of it all. Why? What is it about the church today that is different from the early church, or even the early Methodist movement? Has God changed in some way? Why are we so very different, even as the most orthodox Christians of today, from those powerful men who wrote the New Testament? After all God is no respecter of persons.




Given time spent searching, this author can offer what might be considered light on this. Unpopular as this opinion might be, I feel it has great merit for consideration. The missing elements all boil down to one word. FELLOWSHIP. According to A.W. Tozers article ”Those Amazing Methodists A Tribute to the Ministry of John & Charles Wesley”, theirs was a fellowship set up in a very organized grouping of the Methodist Societies. Each society was broken down into groups of twelve, with a leader put in place over the group. They took this number to imitate the circle of the apostles and the Lord himself, I would guess. The leader had the task of basically staying very close to the members of his team. His job was:


To make certain that the members learned and adhered to, the “Book of Discipline”

To inquire how their souls prosper.

To advise, reprove, comfort, or exhort, as occasion may require.

To report problems to the pastor of the society

. The outcome of such a society was a group dedicated to the benefit of each member, and the spread of the gospel. Today, such a group would likely be branded as a cult.




In modern American society, and for much of our history, we have prided ourselves in independence. We are very competitive, which in many ways is a wonderful asset. It is not likely that we Americans would be very receptive to giving our lives totally over to God, or to allow much guidance from any man. Such is the downfall of American Christianity. Our ability to keep ourselves to God however, is diminished by the lack of time we spend in deep fellowship with either God or our fellow man. As the old song says, We do it our way.




The price we pay for this attitude is , the loss of “spiritual power” . Quality time with God and close friendship with our fellow Christians is more than a little matter. James admonishes us to “16Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed.”(5:16). Many would say that to do so is spiritual suicide in the church today, and they would be right. James assumes the same level of commitment to fellowship with God and the brethren was shared by all. He further assumes that the people are not trying to out spiritualize each other. So the assumption is that these people are close to each other, following the same God in worship to Him. The problem today is, that if a person doesn’t like something in one church family, he can simply go to another. If the denomination makes him angry he goes to another or starts his own “rebel” church.




Jesus said, “A house divided against itself cannot stand” and so Satan has applied this tactic in his battle with the church. Sure enough, it has worked. It has got to the point where we can’t trust our brethren. The fellowship of believers is careful to manage what is shared due to this lack of trust. The average prayer list in church bulletins consist of a group of names, but offers no idea of the problem, so how can we pray intelligently for one another. All of this is assuming that the brother prays for those listed at all.




The solution to all of this was seen by John Wesley, when he set up the societies. Fellowship, the act of sharing our spiritual growth, and weaknesses, is in the end, our only method to the quest for relationship with God. There can be no substitution for time with God, nor any substitution for fellowship with our brethren.

[jangnim]

I just had to comment on your comment on the wheat and the tares. In the story, they were told to wait until both were grown to maturity and then to remove the tares from the wheat. I just learned why they were able to do so - it should have been so difficult to remove the weeds when plowing through mature fields. But not so - the wheat bows down and the tares stand straight up above the wheat for all to see. Wow!
That is a great insight, Thanks.

[Shane Roach]

This echos things I have believed for quite a while now. It's what's motivated me to take such an interest in trying to locate fellow believers here and strenghten those relationships. Thanks for posting it!

:thumbsup:

Still at a loss as to what it was we disagreed about. LOL


My dear friend in Christ,

I do feel your pain, and the grief of your words also strikes me. I believe you are right about fellowship, and this is the point I was making in another thread http://www.christianforums.com/t1417932-do-christians-have-to-go-to-church.html. One of the key issues of church life to me is the ability to depend upon your bretheren and they upon you for loving support in Christ. I too went through a time when I didn't go to church, and my friend, it cost me dearly, as I became too weak spiritually to avoid a fall. It cost me pretty much everything.

"Father in heaven, be with Shane, and guide him in his quest for a fellowship. In our world Lord, it has become increasingly hard to find a place of peaceful fellowship, and I would ask that we all find such a place. Help us to reat in your loving arms dear Lord. Amen."

I wrote this regarding fellowship some years ago:


A quest for fellowship.




Sir Crispian looked longingly at the map of his homeland. Beside the map was the quest writ, which the king had issued. The challenge for a new era was given. Of the myriad of knights, only a few were willing to meet the challenge. The quest began, an adventure fraught with danger and possible loss. The only things that Crispian had to protect him were the writ from the king, his fellow quest knights, and his armor. “Go forth and find the Grail, then return it unto me”, was all that the writ said, but it had the seal of the king upon it.




Crispian knew that the other quest knights shared his desire but they really didn’t know him nor did he know them. The quest demanded that they begin. On the way they would get to know each other. The knowledge that they all served the same king would be enough to bind them together as a unit, dedicated to finding what was lost. Hopefully everyone wanted to achieve for the king.




This is our story too. The Grail is the very spirit of the church. We lost it when we lost touch with God and our fellow Christians. It is not enough to go to church. To many, it is an empty practice anyway. Clearly, a lot of people attend church services, not because of a clear desire to be with God, and worship Him, but simply because it is the thing to do. Mom and Dad did it. We always did it, so we continue.




For many, such is the way of Christianity. Like Crispian, the believer is alone in many ways in his quest, not knowing the others who share the quest. Yes, we have a “church family” but it is just as likely we have much closer relationships with the people at the office. The problems don’t stop there however, in that the world is filled with the unholy. We have television shows that promote the ungodly, the violent, and the criminal. The internet assaults us at every front. The speed of life around us, invades our very spirit. When do we get time to worship God and know each other in this fast paced world?




We don’t spend much time with our fellow Christians, and likely less time with God. If asked why they attend, many folks can’t articulate it. You can rest assured when they talk of fellowship, they likely don’t mean what I mean here. Fellowship and real worship are all but lost. To the average church member, fellowship consists of an hour or so after the service eating stale cookies and drinking cheap punch talking about such things as sports, or the weather. This a desperate attempt to avoid closeness. Worship, to these folks is a relatively unfulfilling time in the space of an hour or two each week. A relationship with Christ is a hollow experience. The Bible, while they really want to believe it, is really not very applicable to their lives today.




Like the knight, we have the seal of the king, but that seal has very little power. We have the very Words of the King, but again can’t find the power of it all. Why? What is it about the church today that is different from the early church, or even the early Methodist movement? Has God changed in some way? Why are we so very different, even as the most orthodox Christians of today, from those powerful men who wrote the New Testament? After all God is no respecter of persons.




Given time spent searching, this author can offer what might be considered light on this. Unpopular as this opinion might be, I feel it has great merit for consideration. The missing elements all boil down to one word. FELLOWSHIP. According to A.W. Tozers article ”Those Amazing Methodists A Tribute to the Ministry of John & Charles Wesley”, theirs was a fellowship set up in a very organized grouping of the Methodist Societies. Each society was broken down into groups of twelve, with a leader put in place over the group. They took this number to imitate the circle of the apostles and the Lord himself, I would guess. The leader had the task of basically staying very close to the members of his team. His job was:

To make certain that the members learned and adhered to, the “Book of Discipline”
To inquire how their souls prosper.
To advise, reprove, comfort, or exhort, as occasion may require.
To report problems to the pastor of the society
. The outcome of such a society was a group dedicated to the benefit of each member, and the spread of the gospel. Today, such a group would likely be branded as a cult.




In modern American society, and for much of our history, we have prided ourselves in independence. We are very competitive, which in many ways is a wonderful asset. It is not likely that we Americans would be very receptive to giving our lives totally over to God, or to allow much guidance from any man. Such is the downfall of American Christianity. Our ability to keep ourselves to God however, is diminished by the lack of time we spend in deep fellowship with either God or our fellow man. As the old song says, We do it our way.




The price we pay for this attitude is , the loss of “spiritual power” . Quality time with God and close friendship with our fellow Christians is more than a little matter. James admonishes us to “16Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed.”(5:16). Many would say that to do so is spiritual suicide in the church today, and they would be right. James assumes the same level of commitment to fellowship with God and the brethren was shared by all. He further assumes that the people are not trying to out spiritualize each other. So the assumption is that these people are close to each other, following the same God in worship to Him. The problem today is, that if a person doesn’t like something in one church family, he can simply go to another. If the denomination makes him angry he goes to another or starts his own “rebel” church.




Jesus said, “A house divided against itself cannot stand” and so Satan has applied this tactic in his battle with the church. Sure enough, it has worked. It has got to the point where we can’t trust our brethren. The fellowship of believers is careful to manage what is shared due to this lack of trust. The average prayer list in church bulletins consist of a group of names, but offers no idea of the problem, so how can we pray intelligently for one another. All of this is assuming that the brother prays for those listed at all.




The solution to all of this was seen by John Wesley, when he set up the societies. Fellowship, the act of sharing our spiritual growth, and weaknesses, is in the end, our only method to the quest for relationship with God. There can be no substitution for time with God, nor any substitution for fellowship with our brethren.

[jangnim]

Still at a loss as to what it was we disagreed about. LOL

Can't say anymore so lets just say we agree now and forget it.:thumbsup:

[Shane Roach]

You could pm me.

And hi all! Still looking for that solid group here. Good to see at least some regular posters!

[Shane Roach]

Just a friendly nudge to remind folks I am looking for Fundamentalists who are willing to fellowship together here! God is blessing us even when we maybe don't know it or feel it. :) I hope you all are well.

[crossrunner]

I am well and ready to engage in supportive and edifying fellowship with our Lord as the center of our converstation.

cr (very happy to be fundamental)

[Shane Roach]

I noticed your vegetarian thingy on your signature.

I like fried eggplant... Does that count? ;)

[crossrunner]

I noticed your vegetarian thingy on your signature.

I like fried eggplant... Does that count? ;)

I love fried eggplant...very vegetarian..but with all that oil and all...not so healthy. But what the heck...bring it on!!! :D

[jangnim]

I love fried eggplant...very vegetarian..but with all that oil and all...not so healthy. But what the heck...bring it on!!! :D

Did somebody say fried eggplant? MMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!:)

I believe that eggplant is supported by many fundimentalists. I'm sure that it is a food from God and thus it is doctrinally unsound not to enjoy eggplant.;) :D ;)

My wife makes an eggplant veggie pie that is so great it defies description.

[crossrunner]

Did somebody say fried eggplant? MMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!:)

I believe that eggplant is supported by many fundimentalists. I'm sure that it is a food from God and thus it is doctrinally unsound not to enjoy eggplant.;) :D ;)

My wife makes an eggplant veggie pie that is so great it defies description.

Yummy! Eggplant is fundimentally delicious! :D This subject made me so hungry that I roasted an eggplant for dinner tonite. It was good! :thumbsup:

[TwinCrier]

We're having chicken. http://www.smilieland.com/graphics3/25_turkey.gif

1 Tim. 4:1-5 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

[Shane Roach]

Well I wasn't so much forbidding meats as saying, like, eggplant. WOW. Goooood...

*grins*

Gotta love that chicken icon tho!!!

[jangnim]

Well I wasn't so much forbidding meats as saying, like, eggplant. WOW. Goooood...

*grins*

Gotta love that chicken icon tho!!!

Chicken was lunch yesterday. MMMMMMMMMMM. Cow was dinner tonight. Slurp.:D

And yes that chicken icon is way cool.:)

[Shane Roach]

I sometimes play with icons....

Unfortunately smily central upgrades are slow to download on dialup....

*sigh* :)

[Waiting for the Verdict]

It's a little known fact that I was among the people that signed to have this Fundamentalist Forum back before it existed. I note there are a good number of people that post more or less fundamental idea here and there. Perhaps some of them don't come here becuase they feel more at home in their particular denominational forums, I don't know.

What I do know is as a person who has been treated up close and personal to a fair amount of harassment both here and at church due to simply voicing fundamentalist beliefs, I want to find and form some support for people who believe. I came back here after a hiatus and could not tell you how relieved I was to finally see some people posting in the debate forums for the sake of fundamental values, only to have a thread closed

I am asking for better forums to go to if I am not welcome here, or for people I can talk to who share common Christian values that I will be able to share some fellowship with trustworthy believers, as I have found my life under severe strain laltely and need the support of Christians, but not the sort who have no faith.

If this all sounds very severe or as if I am somehow stressing out, it may well be that I am. But it is becoming downright impossible for me to even so much as find people I can marginally trust here anymore. I would like very much if not to find support here, for some guidance as to a place online that I can go where simple Christian values are not more or less against the rules to espouse. I don't consider myself a fundamentalist or even a conservative Christian, but I think you might be interested in a sight called christianity.com. It is much more conservative than this site, which is pretty much split between theological conservatism and liberalism.

[Shane Roach]

I don't consider myself a fundamentalist or even a conservative Christian, but I think you might be interested in a sight called christianity.com. It is much more conservative than this site, which is pretty much split between theological conservatism and liberalism.

Thanks! Perhaps a safer place for me to hang out. We'll see.

[Shane Roach]

I just want to reiterate how much I appreciate those who support the Fundy Forums. Please, feel free to contact me through PM's and I sure wish we could build up more members here in the Fundy section!

Keep in touch! I will too!

[Shane Roach]

Anyone else like Homestar Runner?

*cough* Sorry. Bored and lonely. *smiles*

[jangnim]

Anyone else like Homestar Runner?

*cough* Sorry. Bored and lonely. *smiles*

Don't even know what it is but hey, whatever friend.

Loneliness is a bad thing. :(

[Shane Roach]

Don't even know what it is but hey, whatever friend.

Loneliness is a bad thing. :(

It's a little website with cartoons on it. They are modernesque yet strangely inocuous. I can't think of anything offensive at all in them. Anyhow I enjoy the site. Maybe you can check it out sometime, and maybe you even have others like it.

I have been to places like weebl's and the guy who does all the gerbil cartoons on the net (blender, microwave, etc.) Some of them are cute, but both of those sites have a good deal of objectionable content from the standpoint of vulgarity.

Anyhow, if you know of any cool websites, let me know! I actually dug up an antbed the other day looking for a queen ant, so now I got to looking at ant farms...

All this to say, I am rather easily entertained. Just curious what other people's hobbies and so forth might be!:D

[jangnim]

It's a little website with cartoons on it. They are modernesque yet strangely inocuous. I can't think of anything offensive at all in them. Anyhow I enjoy the site. Maybe you can check it out sometime, and maybe you even have others like it.

I have been to places like weebl's and the guy who does all the gerbil cartoons on the net (blender, microwave, etc.) Some of them are cute, but both of those sites have a good deal of objectionable content from the standpoint of vulgarity.

Anyhow, if you know of any cool websites, let me know! I actually dug up an antbed the other day looking for a queen ant, so now I got to looking at ant farms...

All this to say, I am rather easily entertained. Just curious what other people's hobbies and so forth might be!:D

Being retired, everything is pretty much a hobby.

I teach martial arts, http://tkdtutor.com is a favorite site.
I also love oriental stuff so:
Money http://www.pillowrock.com/ronnie/mchina.htm
Characters http://sonicnovel.com/kanjib.html

So when I am not surfing here I am likely in a spot like these.

God Bless You and Share to Good News Today.

[Shane Roach]

Being retired, everything is pretty much a hobby.

I teach martial arts, http://tkdtutor.com (http://tkdtutor.com/) is a favorite site.
I also love oriental stuff so:
Money http://www.pillowrock.com/ronnie/mchina.htm
Characters http://sonicnovel.com/kanjib.html

So when I am not surfing here I am likely in a spot like these.

God Bless You and Share to Good News Today.

Wow, are you retired at 49 or did you just miss a button when you were logging in the first time? *grins* Good job if you are. I will have to check out the links....

Take care!

[Shane Roach]

I think I like the characters best. I have always found oriental writing so arcane looking as to hint at something entirely alien. It's interesting stuff.

[jangnim]

Wow, are you retired at 49 or did you just miss a button when you were logging in the first time? *grins* Good job if you are. I will have to check out the links....

Take care!
Not retired by my own choice.:) It just kind of got dumped on me, I guess so God could really make use of this humble pile of flesh.:thumbsup:

The funny thing is that even now I am as busy with things as before. God is so good as to allow us to keep going even after our job gets exported to Brazil, and no company wants you because you are pushing 50. He even went so far as to allow me to draw early retirement from my career as a teacher so I had the funds to live month to month. Then he taught me how to get along on less that 1/4th of my original income, and took away all of my bills in reposessions and bankruptcy. While others might see this as a horrible thing, what it did was to give me a more heavenly view and rendered reality to Christs statement regarding the importance of each of us to God. (...sparrow can't die without God knowing it...fields arrayed in such beauty....how much more will father care for you...)

The really funny thing is that I do not miss my credit history at all, nor the credit cards or the lines of credit, nor the clammor for getting a bigger better whatever. I do not miss the 50 to 80 hour weeks with no overtime pay. I do not miss the need to work harder so I can make a co-worker look worse than me and I get the raise instead of him. I don't miss the questioning as to why I am asked to perform harder to make more money for the company when I don't really see even a thank you. I really don't miss wondering how the president of the company gets fired and get $4million severance when I was required to practically sell my soul if I wanted to have a severance at all. (I refused it by the way).

There are those who would condemn me for all of this I know. In fact I expect to maybe be flamed for this post yet in these trials I have found God to be more real than I had ever been able to understand before. He personally, has nurtured me, and given me much more than I deserved, much more than enough. He has showed me a better way, a simpler way, and a way of Love. All because I "got retired" by a basically evil world. "His mercy endures forever" has a much clearer meaning to you when you have seen it personally and that is what the trials do, they show us what we could never comprehend about Him, His love, and His mercy.

Thank you Father God.:amen:

[jangnim]

I think I like the characters best. I have always found oriental writing so arcane looking as to hint at something entirely alien. It's interesting stuff.

I love the way a single character is really sort of a story if you study it. I feel a call to China, but have not yet had opportunity.

Please read my previous post re: retirement.

[Shane Roach]

I love the way a single character is really sort of a story if you study it. I feel a call to China, but have not yet had opportunity.

Please read my previous post re: retirement.

I just saw the latest movie to come out from China. Since Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragin it seems we get like one a year. It is interesting to me how all of them have a spiritual side to them. Such spirituality is almost gone from secular entertainment in the U.S.

I don't know what the future holds for our nations, or for your call, but there definitely seem to be things going on there and it would be exciting I am sure to be there, trying to serve Christ in one of the last frontiers of the faith.

[Shane Roach]

I certainly don't know why anyone would flame your post before that! I thought it was a wonderfull testimony. I mean, I'm sure you did what you could to honor whatever debts you had. But when things happen, they happen, and there is no sin I think in taking what protection you can in the law. I definitely agree that working in this world is an exercise in riding the line. As an insurance adjuster, I have to be constantly on the watch for pressures both from dishonest insured's and pushy insurance company's. It is dog eat dog, and all those other phrases you always hear. If you have been freed from that, far from having a bad word to say about it, I am happy for you!

[jangnim]

I've actually had Christians condemn me for my choices at bankruptcy, claiming that the Bible speaks ill of those who default on loans, etc. They are very big on quoting the OT law, but I note they never say anything about the year of jubilee, or the returning a mans cloak to him when you have taken it in pledge.

I would say not only is working in this world an exercise in walking the line but living here is too. It seems you can't do anything any longer without being polluted by the immorality of an evil world. TV is all but out, music on the radio is out (pretty much). Even the "Christian" radio station plays some stuff I question. Sadly even CF is a place of temptation. It is all too tempting, especially when someone is clearly against our theological point of view, to blast them with the "facts". A heart of love is so hard to keep with this world as it is.:cry:

[Shane Roach]

I'm glad you knew yourself about the verses that talk about not lending money heartlessly. There has always been a ballance. There has always been a place for mercy with God.

I can only agree and agree again with you about the whole idea of trying to find a place of comfort spiritually. I'm glad you're around. Just keep in touch, and I will too. We seem to have a similar understanding of a lot of things.

Always good to hear from you!

[Shane Roach]

Saw Kingdom of Heaven this weekend. It was ok. Nothing that was spectacularly moving for me. I was particularly put off at the portrayal of clergy, which was largely negative.

Other than that I had a wonderfull weekend, and hope to hear from some of you as well.

[Shane Roach]

Oooh! And happy Birthday Jang! My mother's birthday was this last week.... Whatever that amounts to, coincidence wise... lol

[jangnim]

Saw Kingdom of Heaven this weekend. It was ok. Nothing that was spectacularly moving for me. I was particularly put off at the portrayal of clergy, which was largely negative.

Other than that I had a wonderfull weekend, and hope to hear from some of you as well.

I saw it too. I agree that the protrayal of clergy is negative, but that is so in nearly every case in American entertainment. Just a fact. I think it is by and large due to the fact that a very liberal industry is tainted by immorality and clergy is what stands in the way of the anarchy they so very much want. So every chance they get they hammer Christians in general and especially the clergy.


Glad you had a good weekend. I'll check in later. Today is going to be a killer for this old retired guy. Many things to accomplish.:thumbsup:


Oooh! And happy Birthday Jang! My mother's birthday was this last week.... Whatever that amounts to, coincidence wise... lol


Thanks bro. It was pretty quiet this year. We went to the national aquarium in Baltimore, which pretty much eats a weekend. Fun time though, got to see new born seahorses. Ya know they are smaller than a grain of rice at birth. It would take 2 or three of them to make a grain of rice sized lump. It was really way cool to see that, as it is rare for us to have such a privilage.

Birthday wishes for your mom.:)

A word of advice if I may. Love your mom and dad while you have them. You never know when the Lord will take them to Himself.

[Shane Roach]

A word of advice if I may. Love your mom and dad while you have them. You never know when the Lord will take them to Himself.

Yeah, and it is important especially for me because my parents divorced and in the process things happened that cause tension between myself and my parents, so it is always important for me to remember not to get bitter and to remember the good times, and not let things get to where some day one of them might die and I had not told them how much I care.

My grandmother is sweet, and me and Mom got her a mothers day boquet, so that was nice.

[jangnim]

Here is a neat thing to experience.


I was asked by a friend to help him repair his computer. It was a situation where he had so much Spyware that the computer couldn't start any longer. So the fix was to reload windows. During the repair, the cd-rom died. I put a USB cdrom on the computer and continued to do the work. The system simply shut off about 1/3 of the way through. My heart sank.

Neither he nor I have the resources for a major repair. So I just set the unit in my office for a few days (actually about a week). I had disassembled it to check fuses and the like, only to find that everything seemed to be okay. Anyway, I spent the week praying over that machine, as it lay in peices on my office floor. Finally I decided to just put is back together, and fess up to the death of the machine. I called the guy, and told him what had gone on and he was quite greived.

Low and behold, God gave me a small miracle. I plugged in the machine and it worked. I finished the system load, and am able to return a working machine to this friend, even though I had absolutely no idea what was wrong. Our Father in heaven is so good. Praise the Lord.:) :)

[Shane Roach]

*smiles* What a relief and a blessing. I have to say, in my experience continual rebooting can do a lot of good things for any computer, but that does sound like an exceptional example, especially if the cd rom came back.

[jangnim]

I actually don't know about the cd-rom as I used my USB one. He said he doesn't use the old one as he has a USB DVD-RW. The fix was not reboot but to completely reload everything. Anyway thank God it came back for him. The guy does art work for me so he really needs the box.

[Shane Roach]

I tried to clean up my grandmothers computer the other week. It has some shell32.dll thing that I can not get rid of. I reloaded their Windows, which is the Millenium edition, but it achieved nothing. I absolutely hate to reformat and reinstall as that means loading all the updates for the last 5 years over her dialup acount...........

I could use one of those computer miracles!

[Shane Roach]

I actually don't know about the cd-rom as I used my USB one. He said he doesn't use the old one as he has a USB DVD-RW. The fix was not reboot but to completely reload everything. Anyway thank God it came back for him. The guy does art work for me so he really needs the box.

Well, it sounded like you meant it crashed in the middle of the reload, which would have meant the next time you went at it it was a reboot, in my little admitedly limited computer repair world. LOL!

[jangnim]

I tried to clean up my grandmothers computer the other week. It has some shell32.dll thing that I can not get rid of. I reloaded their Windows, which is the Millenium edition, but it achieved nothing. I absolutely hate to reformat and reinstall as that means loading all the updates for the last 5 years over her dialup acount...........

I could use one of those computer miracles!

I would suggest you get Norton Ghost. Split the C drive into C and D then format and relaod just one more time. After you have things the way you want, make a ghost image on the D drive of the C drive.

After this, every month or so, copy the ghost image over the C drive partition. This will eliminate the loss of the updates etc, also you now have a great recovery mechanism available. I do this and it takes about a half hour to reghost the machine each month. Great for virus recovery too.:) :thumbsup: :clap:

[Shane Roach]

I would suggest you get Norton Ghost. Split the C drive into C and D then format and relaod just one more time. After you have things the way you want, make a ghost image on the D drive of the C drive.

After this, every month or so, copy the ghost image over the C drive partition. This will eliminate the loss of the updates etc, also you now have a great recovery mechanism available. I do this and it takes about a half hour to reghost the machine each month. Great for virus recovery too.:) :thumbsup: :clap:

WOW! Darn good idea. I er... where do I get it, just at a store? Does it come with Norton's package utilities? I have never bought stuff before. I have done really well with my laptop the past 3 years without even so much as an antivirus program! The only thing that got me was that worm last year or so ago, and I got the patch for that on a floppy. Still, I like the idea of having an image on the disk. Matter of fact, they have those disks that you can hook up to a USB, which would be even better just in case the whole hard disk fried itself. My laptop already did that once. I hear laptops are notrious for frying a disk every year or two. I have a desktop that is ancient, but it has been cranking away since '95 or so. I want to turn it into a linux box but I keep procrastinating getting the external modum I appear to need to make it functional online.

Speaking of which, how do linux boxes work with wireless and high speed? I have never had occasion to try one out, but they must do better than they did with win-modems....

Wow, this has turned into fundie tech corner!

[jangnim]

WOW! Darn good idea. I er... where do I get it, just at a store? Does it come with Norton's package utilities? I have never bought stuff before. I have done really well with my laptop the past 3 years without even so much as an antivirus program! The only thing that got me was that worm last year or so ago, and I got the patch for that on a floppy. Still, I like the idea of having an image on the disk. Matter of fact, they have those disks that you can hook up to a USB, which would be even better just in case the whole hard disk fried itself. My laptop already did that once. I hear laptops are notrious for frying a disk every year or two. I have a desktop that is ancient, but it has been cranking away since '95 or so. I want to turn it into a linux box but I keep procrastinating getting the external modum I appear to need to make it functional online.

Speaking of which, how do linux boxes work with wireless and high speed? I have never had occasion to try one out, but they must do better than they did with win-modems....

Wow, this has turned into fundie tech corner!

I can see this has excited you a bit LOL.

Buy Norton System Works. It contains Ghost as well as Antivirus etc. I just saw it for $35 at Walmart not long ago.

You have 2 choices for the next step. Either 1, re-fdisk your drive and split it (no very pretty and you'll loose all data, or 2. get a copy of Partition Magic. This program allows you to split a drive and set up any number of logical drives.

On my 20 gig laptop I split the drive 5 gig and 15 gig. I try to keep near that ratio. My 100 gig is split into a 15 gig and then the rest is split across D, E, and F. I also have a bunch of USB drives onto which I copied the image. A word of caution however, My little laptop only supports USB drives and one internal, but it can't see the USB drives in Ghost, except for the floppy.

Okay anyway, after you image your drives, it would be a good idea to move your MyDocuments to the D drive, as this protects you from most corruption. At this point you want to make certain all of your Program Files are fully installed and working the way you want. Also move your Outlook file base to the D drive. I avoid Internet until after I have a complete image.

Now run Ghost and place the image onto your D drive. This image is quite a large file, in fact it is 2 files, one is called a span file.

Now you are ready to fly. Just restore from ghost any time the machine gets too slow or is bogged down. If the machine is acting funny, restore from ghost. Really it is a great method to maintain system integrity.

One last thing, make a backup of your D drive to an external USB drive every once in a while.



Now to the rest of my commentary. I have had no real issues with hard drives. I have replaced with bigger faster but not from wear, just to have more space. I am still using a pentium 233 desk unit, a pentium 350 desk unit, and a pentium 3 750 desk unit all with original hard drives. The key is to buy quality IDE and not SCSI.

Linux is the best. It is faster and more stable than Winxx. It has lots of built in features such as compilers and tools. The scripting language is beyond compare. I wrote install programs for unix (linux's grandpa) on it and they are still using them today as far as I know. My linux box is an old old pentium 70 thats right 70 Mhz. It cooks so fast that it outruns my 750.

I haven't done anything with wireless on my linux box. I've seen unsupported drivers in the wireless card CDs but never tried them. There is no reason the linux would not work on a DSL or Cable connection however. To linux, the DSL is just another IP address. A word of warning though: Linux is very techie. You can get into every part of your machine, including the source code for the OS. Be careful.

Anyway I hope this is a blessing to you. The advice just offered, if I gave it to a client (way back then) it would have cost several hundred dollars. :thumbsup:

I've got to get moving here, have a full day of stuff to accomplish. Busier now than when I was "working".:)

[jangnim]

Hi all. I'm taking a break from all of this for a while. Tired of arguments. Will see you again sometime.

Likely I'll lurk but not respond.

[Lynn73]

You know, I feel the same way. Even in my "home" forum which is Baptist, There are things we cannot discuss or BAM.............offical warning. But others in other forums can go right out and bash our beliefs. I am getting tired of this bondage. I am seeking other places to hang out.

GEL

If you guys find someplace good, let me know. I've already asked my account be deleted on another board I go to. I'm tired of debating with people who misuse and abuse Scripture to support any kind of strange doctrince. The word of truth is NOT being rightly divided by a lot of people. Not that I make any claims to perfectly understanding the word of God. But there's much I do understand and I'd like to be around people who accept it as the final authority and who don't twist and misuse it to support unbiblical doctrines. I'm getting sick of it.

[jangnim]

If you guys find someplace good, let me know. I've already asked my account be deleted on another board I go to. I'm tired of debating with people who misuse and abuse Scripture to support any kind of strange doctrince. The word of truth is NOT being rightly divided by a lot of people. Not that I make any claims to perfectly understanding the word of God. But there's much I do understand and I'd like to be around people who accept it as the final authority and who don't twist and misuse it to support unbiblical doctrines. I'm getting sick of it.

I think the issues are to do with the theologies we adhere to. I try not to get too ugly about others beliefs but ya know when people tell us we are wrong, no matter what our stance, it is human nature to dig in our heals and go to the fight. It isn't right. Theology is just the opinion of a group and no theology is 100% correct. We go where the church agrees with our general understanding.

I know that anyplace we go we will deal with these issues, yet I am hurt that people must be so dogmatic in regard to things that their church teaches, to the point of attacking a brother in Christ. To some, if you don't agree 100% with their stance you simply are not saved or Christian. Personally I think there are lots of folks who are saved in Christ in most denominations. I would reserve such judgement in the area of the cults which deny Christ, the Trinity, and see the need for an additional scripture. But honestly, if a person says they are Christian, we should give them the respect we would give any other Christian. This is a big problem in the church.

Okay back to lurking and not posting.

[Shane Roach]

Well, I was trying to stake out this section of the forum to get away from arguing. I think some good fellowship could go on here, with a little work. Anyhow, I am here and feel free to pm me with personal concerns or whatnot. I have pretty conservative beliefs but am able to speak with people who feel as if they may have some sort of linberal point of view as long as they can keep from bashing me over the noggin if I disagree!

Anyhow, I hope to see all of you here. That's my goal - a safe haven for fundies right here. :)

Shaney

[crossrunner]

I think its nice to have a safe place for fundies to hang out. I love CF a lot. I post here a lot...I pray here a lot..but I have learned more about false religions than I ever did before I stumbled upon this website. I pray that those who are decieved will have their eyes opened and know the true Jesus Christ.

[Shane Roach]

I think its nice to have a safe place for fundies to hang out. I love CF a lot. I post here a lot...I pray here a lot..but I have learned more about false religions than I ever did before I stumbled upon this website. I pray that those who are decieved will have their eyes opened and know the true Jesus Christ.

Fellowship is very important. I want to say something about the "a chord of three strands is not easily broken." There, I said it! Hehehe...

Point is, it can be truly grinding for a Christian. Remember how the Bible tells us Lot was vexed night and day by what had gone on in Sodom? And of course we are warned explicitly that the enemy will try to take on the church as well. Here near where I live, in a town named Midland (Yes, the one George Bush lived in for much of his life) there is an Episcopal church. Some of you may know that the Episcopals have been having troubles with the whole gay marriage and gay members. What you may not know is that it is not necessarily something that the rank and file Episcopals agree with. The largest majority of the folk in this church, from what I hear, have left it. The problem? Well, there is the church building, where they will no longer be welcome to worship, even though obviously it was mostly built by and for them.

So bad doctrine has practical results as well. It is not just a matter of standing on principal, you have to be willing to lose something to stand on principal, and those who are leaving that church are doing precisely that. Liberals like to pretend that there is no persecution of the church in the USA, but don't you believe it.

The good news, of course, is that Christ overcame the world. But in the heat of things, it is helpfull to have people you can count on and who you do not have to fight tooth and nail with just to get some agreement on basic things.

[jangnim]

Before I start in here, Yes I am back, I couldn't stay away. I love this tiny corner of CF.
Urgent prayer request:

My sister in law Sharon has been diagnosed with pancriatic cancer. This is a really bad cancer and has been deemed inoperable. Please pray for her healing, for the strenth of the family to accept whatever our Lord does, and for peace over the whole situation. Thanks to all of you my friends and bretheren in Christ.


Shane,

The whole gay issue is a divisive one to be sure. I personally don't understand why the church at large is trying to push an issue so openly against what most of us believe.

I think this all stems from the fact that the church is shrinking, and to maintain income, the governing bodies are willing to make concessions. Ooops, that is a big mistake. Look at the nation of Israel, every time they allowed the ashura poles to be erected they brought down the wrath of an angry God. I personally think that the gay issue is our most current ashura pole.

A time of judgement comes for the churches in America, and America at large. Not just some but all of us, will be in on this judgement. No I am not speaking of final judgement, but a time of trials and tribulations that will soon begin I fear. The loveless way the church does things is truly a sin against God and ourselves. The fact that people can hop churches with the ease of changing a shirt is troublesome to me, as it permits sin to go unchecked. The fact that church authorities are pushing for a thing so openly against Biblical doctrine is horrifying.

I often wonder about how the hardliners of the liberal churches will justify their actions. Of course I have similar thoughts in our own circles as you well know.:)

[Shane Roach]

Welcome back!

The other thing about the whole gay agenda as I tend to call it almost in spite of myself, is that it really is clearly an unhealthy thing even from the most strict secular point of view. As they say, the wisdom of men is foolishness to God.

[Lynn73]

I think its nice to have a safe place for fundies to hang out. I love CF a lot. I post here a lot...I pray here a lot..but I have learned more about false religions than I ever did before I stumbled upon this website. I pray that those who are decieved will have their eyes opened and know the true Jesus Christ.

Even though there's a particular forum for fundamentalists, though, we still can't just say whatever we feel is needed because I'm sure all forums are reviewed regularly and if we get into a discussion on another religion and it's teachings, we'd be shut down in a hurry. Especially if we dare to tell the whole truth about that religion. So things are restricted no matter where you go. And I join you in praying that those who are deceived have their eyes opened by the Lord.

[jangnim]

Shane,

You quote William Penn in your signature. Are you from PA? As you know I am.

[Shane Roach]

Shane,

You quote William Penn in your signature. Are you from PA? As you know I am.

No. No I am from Texas. I was stationed in Philly for a few months while I was in the Navy back in the early 90's, though, and I did enjoy the city. I just found this quote somewhere, and it was appropos of what I had been debating a lot so I stuck it on my finger. Never have run into anything I feel like replacing it with!