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kimberli33
4th April 2005, 04:35 PM
Hi-Im interested in what a fundimentalist Christian believes?
Ive been reading these boards and realize that alot of the time I agree with what is being said here.I have actually had some problems getting flamed in other forums for my beliefs.
1st off Ive NEVER told anyone that they are sinning (ever) but I do call sin sin and I believe what the bible says about not compromising.I hate(yes its a strong word) sin,struggle with it in my own life(im human) but Dont ok it.Seems im considered extreme for this and it leaves me feeling frustrated.We are called to LOVE each other but since when do we have to LOVE(accept) sin?

TwinCrier
4th April 2005, 06:18 PM
The 5 "fundamentals" are


1. The Trinity: God is one in three

2. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is virgin born and is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity.

3. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge.

4. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

5. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life.

Of course every religion has different fundamentals, but these are the commonly accepted ones for Christianity and not everyone who believes in all 5 of these appreciates being called a fundamentalist. Some even feel that being called a 'fundie' is an insult.

jangnim
5th April 2005, 12:56 PM
Hi-Im interested in what a fundimentalist Christian believes?
Ive been reading these boards and realize that alot of the time I agree with what is being said here.I have actually had some problems getting flamed in other forums for my beliefs.
In Ecclesiastes it say only one in a thousand men is found upright. Sadly this is also true with Christians. We are our own worst enemies.

1st off Ive NEVER told anyone that they are sinning (ever) but I do call sin sin and I believe what the bible says about not compromising.I hate(yes its a strong word) sin,struggle with it in my own life(im human) but Dont ok it.Seems im considered extreme for this and it leaves me feeling frustrated.We are called to LOVE each other but since when do we have to LOVE(accept) sin?

To be human is to sin. None of us is free of it. Oddly our sin, in my beliefs, is caused by failure to obey Christ and keep ourselves pure. Our task as Christians is to love the sinner and hate the sin. Not an easy task.

You may well be extreme. That is niether a bad thing, nor something to be ashamed of. Look at the patriarchs, the prophets, and the apostles. All perfect examples of "extreme believers." At issue is what the other guy thinks is a sin. I note that to the devil, almost everything is a sin, so he can hound us for our weakness. If we simply take the Bible at face value we can know what is a sin, the devil can't get to us then.

Now to call sin a sin to someone who is involved in that sin is to rub them the wrong way. So our more liberal friends have said, oh "thats okay that you do this, Jesus loves you anyway." That being said it doesn't take long until everything is okay. When everything is okay, it becomes a part of their belief system that this is how God sees things. So they doggedly defend their stand that sin is okay, although they will not actually say it.

Sadly this poison has infiltrated the church at large. Such a poison is responsible for the downfall of many denominations, because to allow sin unchecked in our midst is to quench the Holy Spirit. This is the reason you got flamed.

twistedsketch
8th April 2005, 01:02 PM
Seems im considered extreme for this and it leaves me feeling frustrated.We are called to LOVE each other but since when do we have to LOVE(accept) sin?
Never. I'm glad you're standing firm against the world. Their likely problem is that they just don't want to hear about their sins.

"This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil." - John 3:19

You understand we need to have compassion for the sinner, yet not put up with the sin. Good. As long as they are not reacting to any sins on your part, it is clearly their problem. Continue to love them and pray for them, but be don't stay any more than God would have you stay - I made that mistake, and found myself bitter for years.

kimberli33
8th April 2005, 04:21 PM
I do feel differently about someone bound in sin praying to get free......its sin being okayed that gets me upset

Edouard
10th April 2005, 04:01 PM
Kimberli,

take note of this fact. even though we may sin we are free!!
Most conservative or fundamentalist believe also in baptism ( Matthew 28 ).

If you read the book of romans it talks about how we are saved by grace, justified through our faith.

My thoughts are the bible is 100% accurate, the question comes to what do you believe, and what supports that fact!

In my personal encounters with christians and non christian conversation is as following:

Christians are no different than those that are not, except two things, we are saved by Christ., and we live to serve him.. I am not perfect or any better than anyone else.
But remember Christ has made us perfefct in Hi Father's sight!

Edouard
May God Bless you and give you wisdom! :amen:

Shane Roach
10th April 2005, 11:33 PM
I am very excited to see all the "fundamentalists" here. Personally, what we used to call a fundamentalist is not so much what is considered a fundamentalist anymore. I used to associate that term with very judgemental people, and these people were real, not imagined.

Nowadays, to believe in God and the changing power of the Holy Spirit at all is labelled "fundamentalist" whereas to me that is just plain old fashioned faith in the Lord.

You're someone I would like to see and hear more from, kimberlee33, and that goes for all y'all who posted in support of her as well!

So glad to see all of you. It's refreshing and gives me hope. You may notices I am posting that all over here, so maybe I better stop before it gets monotonous, but the simple fact is I need the company of some fellow believers, and it's not as easy to find as one might think in a place labelled "Christian Forums".

May God bless you.

PaladinGirl
24th April 2005, 04:53 AM
The 5 "fundamentals" are


1. The Trinity: God is one in three

2. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is virgin born and is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity.

3. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge.

4. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

5. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life.

Of course every religion has different fundamentals, but these are the commonly accepted ones for Christianity and not everyone who believes in all 5 of these appreciates being called a fundamentalist. Some even feel that being called a 'fundie' is an insult.

Would this exclude someone who does not believe in "Sola Scriptura"? :confused:

twistedsketch
24th April 2005, 05:21 PM
Yup.

Shane Roach
25th April 2005, 01:08 AM
Would this exclude someone who does not believe in "Sola Scriptura"? :confused:

Wow, that hasn't happened to me in a while. I just got booted at the very instant I went to post a long post and lost it because the line had disconnected!

I am sometimes not real sure about "Sola Scriptura". I only know to trust the scriptures because of the same Spirit that told me that Jesus is Lord. However, I do believe in the vast majority of the Bible being trustworthy. The parts I have seen that seem to have problems are silly things to worry about, like whether there are two versions of the story about the man with a legion of demons possessing him, or verses I have been shown that seem to describe the same pillar but give it slightly different dimensions.

I believe in the Genesis account, and in Adam and Eve. I am not sure what to make of some parts of Genesis, but to be honest I am also not sure what to make about certain claims in science. Looking at one group vs the other, I tend to trust those who follow scipture more than scientists. I tend to think of the educational community in general, even down to our public schools now, as something of a little syndicate more interested in their own power and prestige these days than in education or truth.


How could it be a harmfull thing just to DISCUSS creationism in classes that have to do with the beginning of all creation? There are at the very very least legitimate philosophical issues in simply assuming that things have gone on infinitely back into the past without interruption of anything modern science hasn't taken into account.

Sevryn45
25th April 2005, 01:16 PM
A fundamentalist is someone who bases their entire belief on scripture and not on imaginary dellusions that are added on top of sacred scripture.

WarriorAngel
25th April 2005, 01:45 PM
Curious...what does Sola Scriptura mean to you?
AND why does it state even in Scripture to believe both the oral and written?
If you are strictly scripture believing, then why does even scripture then counter itself?
IF you believe in the WHOLE of scripture, then you cannot exclude the oral scripture...or can you?

WE must never love sin...:o
WE must love the sinner, but hate the sin. We must counsel them to acknowledge sin, and show then the difference between judging the person's soul and judging the sin's towards one's eternity. :)

WE cannot say a person is inherently evil and are unworthy of eternal life, but that sins can take the reward of heaven away from them.

Shane Roach
26th April 2005, 12:03 AM
Curious...what does Sola Scriptura mean to you?
AND why does it state even in Scripture to believe both the oral and written?
If you are strictly scripture believing, then why does even scripture then counter itself?
IF you believe in the WHOLE of scripture, then you cannot exclude the oral scripture...or can you?

When oral traditions find themselves at odds with scripture, that's a sign to me that the tradition might have gone astray. 2 Timothy has a verse that describes how the scirptures should be referenced to keep teaching sound.

2 timothy 3:10-17

There is I believe another verse that speaks to making sure that all who come after teach even as the apostles taught, and not to depart from it. Something along the lines of, "If any man is wise, let him teach even as we," or something along those lines, if anyone can remember the verse or one similar.

Anyhow, that is why I put such a premium on comparing anything I hear to what I find in scripture.

So that's the jist of things as I understand them.

Edouard
8th May 2005, 12:54 AM
Revelations 1 & 2:

Great scripture on differect scenarios of current day churches and so-called christians.
God tells us in scripture that it is a great deal to teach and preach.. the responsibility is not to be taken lightly!

Christ came to complete the law, not to aboligh it! yet the people of His day, saw it as a change of tradition and a challenge to their authority or "interests."

Edouard
May we discover truth in our Lord through His Word!

JimfromOhio
8th May 2005, 01:02 AM
The term "fundamentalist" has become commonly used by the news media to refer to any religious group whom they consider to hold radical views. Liberal society uses the term fundamentalist to identify any Christian whom they consider to be an extremist.

From the Christian perspective, fundamentalist has traditionally referred to any follower of Christ who believes that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and who believes in its literal interpretation and fundamental teachings. The fundamental Christian believes in the experience of the "new birth" which occurs when faith is placed in Christ as Savior and Lord. To the world this may be viewed as radical, but is very basic to the Christian faith.

Fundamentalism has been redefined by our society and fundamentalism may no longer be a term which accurately conveys what Christians really believe.

jangnim
8th May 2005, 07:56 AM
The term "fundamentalist" has become commonly used by the news media to refer to any religious group whom they consider to hold radical views. Liberal society uses the term fundamentalist to identify any Christian whom they consider to be an extremist.

From the Christian perspective, fundamentalist has traditionally referred to any follower of Christ who believes that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and who believes in its literal interpretation and fundamental teachings. The fundamental Christian believes in the experience of the "new birth" which occurs when faith is placed in Christ as Savior and Lord. To the world this may be viewed as radical, but is very basic to the Christian faith.

Fundamentalism has been redefined by our society and fundamentalism may no longer be a term which accurately conveys what Christians really believe.

It doesn't matter what we call ourselves, the world will twist it and make us out to be evil, because they hated Jesus they too will hate us.