Sanctus Bells?

[gtsecc]

Does your parish use sanctus bells?
Do you wish they did or didn't?

[RobNJ]

My Parish uses them:thumbsup:

[Fish and Bread]

The poll needs an option for "sometimes". My parish seems to go back and forth on santus bells depending on how high the holiday is.

John

[AveMaria]

Strangely enough, they use them at the 'Zoo Mass' but not the others.

(Zoo Mass = the child-centric family service. The only reason they seem to use them is because they let the children ring them, and half the time they don't get rung at the right time)

[Father Rick]

Yep, we use them.... (you'll never guess who's responsible for that:D )

[RobNJ]

Yep, we use them.... (you'll never guess who's responsible for that:D )

The guy that goes to work, with a funny collar?;)

[SirTimothy]

Uh... bells? We don't have any bells at St H's...

Timothy

[Albion]

Does your parish use sanctus bells?
Do you wish they did or didn't?

Heck no. Never have and wouldn't want to.

[benedictine]

Yes. In fact, I rang them this morning.

[murron]

yes, our parish uses them - every Mass. I love the use of them, it really adds to the service for me to hear the sound as it echos through the solemnity of the nave.

[gtsecc]

Heck no. Never have and wouldn't want to.
Let me guess, no Barretas either?! ;)

[trooper]

We never have though I have been at many parishes that used them. In fact, I am really glad about this post. I have volunteered to lead some acolyte training to include the use of bells. And, though I'm familiar with them, can anyone provide specific instructions that I could use during training? Acolyte instructions in general would be great.

[benedictine]

The Sanctus Bells are used at the Words : Holy(ring), Holy (ring), Holy (ring), Lord, God of power and might...... Blessed(ring[optional, never dopne this at hiome, butI have seen this])

God and father of all(ring[optional])

Sacricfice for the whole world(ring)

Rememberance of me(Ring) occurs twice

now and forever. AMEN. (ring three times)

This is with Eucharistic Prayer A, though they work for most.

[Albion]

Let me guess, no Barretas either?! ;)

Right you are.

I guess our approach is that Anglican vestments, etc. are good enough. :D

[trooper]

The Sanctus Bells are used at the Words : Holy(ring), Holy (ring), Holy (ring), Lord, God of power and might...... Blessed(ring[optional, never dopne this at hiome, butI have seen this])

God and father of all(ring[optional])

Sacricfice for the whole world(ring)

Rememberance of me(Ring) occurs twice

now and forever. AMEN. (ring three times)

This is with Eucharistic Prayer A, though they work for most.

:thumbsup: Thanks, that really helps. Everyone do it this way or does anyone else have others ideas? I'm going to teach it this way unless otherwise directed.

[benedictine]

:thumbsup: Thanks, that really helps. Everyone do it this way or does anyone else have others ideas? I'm going to teach it this way unless otherwise directed.


Some people ring thisduring the Gloria on Maundy Thursday, perhaps on other days.

[Paul S]

For those of you whose parishes do use the bells, are they used on Good Friday?

[benedictine]

My priest didn't use them in Lent or Holy Week.

[gtsecc]

For those of you whose parishes do use the bells, are they used on Good Friday?

We used reserve sacrament, so no.

[Zacharias]

We use them! :clap:

[Songspinner]

well I should say that yes, one little old lady at my church uses them, and she won't let the rest of us touch them, even when she drops, bumps, kicks, or even sits on them (its a pretty noisey service)

[thejesusfish90]

Lol... never even heard of them before now... though Im guessing their something like Alter Bells... Even still never seen them or seen them used....

[Brian Augustyn]

Does your parish use sanctus bells? Do you wish they did or didn't?

No we don't have or use bells. I'm glad we don't.

Do most Roman Catholic churches still use sanctus bells?

Brian

[gtsecc]

No we don't have or use bells. I'm glad we don't.

Do most Roman Catholic churches still use sanctus bells?

Brian

Come and See...
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=1430546

[Albion]

Come and See...
http://www.christianforums.com/t1430546

BTW, I wish I had a name, even an alias, for you. that acronym just can't be pronounced and comes out with me as "gits."
:)

Anyway, I wonder if I could inject a related subject here. As we know, I'm not supportive of Anglicans discarding the vestments and worship style that prevailed up until the Anglo-Catholic movement succeeded in popularizing the use of such things as found in most Roman Catholic churches. That is mainly because--from all that I've observed--they are distractions more than helps to worship.

Sanctus bells? Well, not such a big deal really. BUT, what about bells at the "elevation?" Since that practice stems from a questionable theological point, I have more of an aversion to it than to bells at the Sanctus. Comments about those bells or to the meaning of their use?

[Paul S]

I asked about Good Friday, because we don't use them from after the Gloria on Maundy Thursday until the Easter Vigil. They're replaced by a sort of wooden clacker. The organ also remains silent during this time.

Do most Roman Catholic churches still use sanctus bells?

Some do, some don't. At the traditional (pre-Vatican II) Mass, they're always used. At the new Mass, it really varies.

My parish uses them. I even got to ring them last Sunday.

Sanctus bells? Well, not such a big deal really. BUT, what about bells at the "elevation?" Since that practice stems from a questionable theological point, I have more of an aversion to it than to bells at the Sanctus. Comments about those bells or to the meaning of their use?

The bells at the elevation are rung three times (actually, six) - once when the priest genuflects, once when he elevates the Host, and once when he genuflects again. This is repeated for the Chalice.

The elevation was added to emphasise the Catholic belief in the Real Presence, which many of the new Protestant denominations were denying. So if you don't believe that Jesus is truly present on the altar, the bells don't make sense.

Also, the Canon is said silently by the priest, so they're also a signal that something important is about to happen.

[PaladinValer]

Absolutely at St. Michael's :)

Never at St. John's :(

[AveMaria]

And some Anglicans find such "Roman Catholic affectations" to be helpful worship enhancements. . . :angel:

[benedictine]

And some Anglicans find such "Roman Catholic affectations" to be helpful worship enhancements. . . :angel::amen: :clap: :amen:

[PaladinValer]

I so love my Queen...she's got beauty and brains :clap: :kiss:

[benedictine]

what about the jester?

[PaladinValer]

The brains to make people laugh, the wit to make excellent jokes, the grace to juggle, the wisdom to inspire...

...and as my son, the heir to AveMaria's and my kingdom :)

[benedictine]

***discovers he is the air to the throne, and gets a three legged stool and sits beside Palaidin Valer.***

[PaladinValer]

**Reminds himself to talk with the queen about sending the prince-jester to spelling school** :P

((Don't worry about it too much; my spell is usually horrible too :)))

[Albion]

And some Anglicans find such "Roman Catholic affectations" to be helpful worship enhancements. . . :angel:

Of course. That's what I said.

But say, why not incorporate more and more, if emotional appeal is what moves you?

Seriously, is there something missing from the appreciation of what Our Lord has done for us that we feel it necessary to enhance our love and adoration of him with as much pomp and ceremony as the mind of man can conceive?

And if so, why would the use of vestments and etc., which were common in Roman Catholic churches before the Nineteenth Century but only began to be seen in Anglican churches with the coming of the Oxford Movement about 150 years ago, be preferable to other kinds of emotional stimuli?

[gitlance]

What would you wear if you went to meet Queen Elizabeth, or President Bush? How would you act? Or the Pope, perhaps? I think you would dress your best, act your best, watch what you say, and otherwise try to treat that person with the respect they deserve. How much more, then, should we treat the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords in our worship and adoration of Him? Look at the worship in heaven according to Isaiah and John! I see quite a bit of "pomp and circumstance." Look at the temple liturgies that God REQUIRED under the Old Covenant. I hardly think it is appropriate to treat the Queen of England with respect in our acknowledging of her, and yet attack ceremony in honor of the King of all Kings in our public WORSHIP of Him.

Not to mention, you can pull out all the stops when you wed your fiance... giving her pomp and circumstance and ceremony. But you can't show equal or greater affections to Christ in public gatherings?

[pmcleanj]

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[pmcleanj]

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[Albion]

What would you wear if you went to meet Queen Elizabeth, or President Bush? How would you act? Or the Pope, perhaps? I think you would dress your best, act your best, watch what you say, and otherwise try to treat that person with the respect they deserve. How much more, then, should we treat the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords in our worship and adoration of Him? Look at the worship in heaven according to Isaiah and John! I see quite a bit of "pomp and circumstance." Look at the temple liturgies that God REQUIRED under the Old Covenant. I hardly think it is appropriate to treat the Queen of England with respect in our acknowledging of her, and yet attack ceremony in honor of the King of all Kings in our public WORSHIP of Him.

Not to mention, you can pull out all the stops when you wed your fiance... giving her pomp and circumstance and ceremony. But you can't show equal or greater affections to Christ in public gatherings?

Well Lance, I think I would wear a business suit. That's what I wore the last time. No one seemed to think it disrespectful. Do you think it would be more respectful if I wore alb, chasuble, maniple, amice, stole, and cope? How so? And in what specific way, do you find the Anglican liturgy conducted as the rubrics call for to be unaffectionate to Christ? I need specifics to understand your point since the liturgy conducted as you might call "Low Mass" and with a minister attired as Anglican ministers were for hundereds of years to be quite affectionate, moving, and worshipful.

[benedictine]

Albion, could you extrapolate on how they were dressed?

[Colabomb]

Does your parish use sanctus bells?
Do you wish they did or didn't?
If you are referring to what I think you are referring to, yes, we use them.

[Albion]

Albion, could you extrapolate on how they were dressed?

There was a time when even surplice and cassock were considered to reflect a too-sacrificial belief about the Supper. That aside, this was common for ministers conducting worship. Others wore only the black gown. Bishops did not wear purple and no one wore barettas or zuchettos. Preaching scarfs were commonly worn during the Communion service instead of colored stoles.

Look at the pictures we've all seen of bishops from earlier times, Cranmer for instance. No mitres. No chasubles. Most Aglicans today, I'm sure, don't realize how much has changed precisely because of the pressure for it from followers of the early Tractarian Movement. There were, in fact, legal battles over such things because they were (in England) not permitted by canon law. There is zilch to be found in the 1928 BCP (and forgive me for not checking out the 1979 book right now) that mentions bells, incense, and much else that is, yes, to be found now in most churches.

But it is not all that way. Ever seen one of Anglicanism's most famous and influential living ministers, John Stott, at worship?

Business suit.

[trooper]

For folks who love to wax poetic about the inclusiveness and diversity of Anglican worship, aren't we kind of getting off point. I love the whole smells and bells thing because it helps me to worship, to come into the awe of God, to be humbled by the Gift of the Incarnation. In fact, I find "low church" worship to be down right boring, uninspiring, and occassionally tacky. THAT BEING SAID, whatever it takes to get the people closer to Him makes me happy. If that involves a business suit, or dancing in the aisles, then so be it. It doesn't have to make me happy to work. I have invited some friends to my beautiful high church liturgy and a fair number of them have found it to be gross theatre that distracts them from the mesage of the gospel. So, I send them to another parish, wish them luck, and remain joyfully listening to the sanctus bells.

[gtsecc]

Albion, are you a crypto papist?

[AveMaria]

Err, what'a s crypto papist?

It's been a long day and I don't think I know that term.

[gtsecc]

Err, what'a s crypto papist?

It's been a long day and I don't think I know that term.
Crypto -One who covertly supports a certain doctrine, group, or party.
Papist - dispariging term usually for the Roman Catholic Church or simply a descriptive term to someoen loyal to the Pope.

So, a crypto-papist is one who is secretly Roman Catholic.

But, unless you are an English monarch, it is not quiet as sensational to be crypto papist.



Of course I am kidding him since eshewes things like santus bells.

[AveMaria]

Thanks for the explanation! Love learning new words!

[Albion]

Thanks for the explanation! Love learning new words!

Not only "crypto-Papist," but I kinda liked the rarely-used "eschews," too!

[Fish and Bread]

I personally prefer a high-church liturgy and the associated trappings, but I think it is important to recognize that a low-church liturgy is equally of God and that God is equally present in such liturgies. Liturgies and traditions which have to do with things other than morality are usually not things ordained by God, but rather things ordained by people as sensory aids in order to help them draw closer to God. So, if they work for people, as they work for me, I'm all for them. If a group of people prefers not to have them, though, I find that perfectly right and acceptable also (Though I personally would probably attend a different parish).

John

[Albion]

I personally prefer a high-church liturgy and the associated trappings, but I think it is important to recognize that a low-church liturgy is equally of God and that God is equally present in such liturgies. Liturgies and traditions which have to do with things other than morality are usually not things ordained by God, but rather things ordained by people as sensory aids in order to help them draw closer to God. So, if they work for people, as they work for me, I'm all for them. If a group of people prefers not to have them, though, I find that perfectly right and acceptable also (Though I personally would probably attend a different parish).

John

In principle, I'm right in step with your sentiments. If we wanted to go deeper into this subject, though, we'd have to recognize that not every gesture, devotion, and trapping is entirely doctrine-neutral. It is often for the reason that these things are meant to demonstrate some belief or other, not just be uplifting, that controversies have historically arisen.

[benedictine]

Albion, I'm curious. What are your sentiments regarding priestly collars, the direction the priest faces, Daily Office, the sign of the cross, and incensce.

[UberLutheran]

:clap:

And at the correct time, no less!

The Sanctus Bells are used at the Words: Holy(ring), Holy (ring), Holy (ring), Lord, God of power and might... Blessed(ring)

God and father of all(ring)

Sacrifice for the whole world(ring)

Remembrance of me(ring) occurs twice

now and forever. AMEN. (ring three times)

I am strongly leaning towards entering seminary here in Austin, and I'm ever so tempted to do a service entirely in Latin (chanted, of course!) just to show people that a classically-trained musician can high-church with the best of them!


Celebrans Dominus vobiscum.
Populus Et cum spiritu tuo.
Celebrans Sursum corda.
Populus Habemus ad Dominum.
Celebrans Gratias agamus Domino Deo nostro.
Populus Dignum et iustum est.

[gtsecc]

:clap:


I am strongly leaning towards entering seminary here in Austin, and I'm ever so tempted to do a service entirely in Latin (chanted, of course!) just to show people that a classically-trained musician can high-church with the best of them!



I think you would rather go to Nashotah house.
I am sure your church will accept their training.

[trooper]

Hey Uber, (bet I've never written that phrase before) and others on this post:

I am going to teach the way that you have posted to our young acolytes, though I wonder about something: in my other parishes, the priest always did: genuflect, elevate, genuflect, which works out perfectly with three rings. Though here in the low church diocese of MN, my priest just bows, elevates, bows. Do you think that we should just ring once because it takes less time to bow than to genuflect? or is the three rings really important symbolically?

[benedictine]

Not sure.

[Albion]

Albion, I'm curious. What are your sentiments regarding priestly collars, the direction the priest faces, Daily Office, the sign of the cross, and incensce.

A fair question, my friend, but it's not just a personal opinion you are asking for. I try in these discussions to have that part of the Anglican spectrum that is called Low Church or Evangelical Anglican not be marginalized, or worse--treated as some historic embarrassment, something that doesn't exist anymore, or if does exist somewhere, shouldn't. There are some here who actually have argued that Evangelical Anglicanism can't be found anymore or that it only bothered the church for a couple of generations a long time ago!

What I usually am trying to keep alive in these discussions is that we (Evangelicals) are here, too, just as you are. So often, it seems, people post that Anglicanism is diverse and wonderfully so...but when anything that is not typically High Church or doctrinally Catholic is mentioned, the "Oh, no one believes that stuff that's in all of our Books of Common Prayer" routine. Huh?

Anyway, on with your questions--

Clerical collars are not anything special among Evangelical Anglicans, although a minister in a business suit would not be out of the question in Britain. Pretty uncommon here, though, even among Low Churchmen. There's certainly no doctrinal implication built into them. Cassocks, BTW, are of recent origin whether one is High Church or Low Church.

The Daily Office. Archbishop Cranmer incorporated the Daily Office of monks, etc. into the Book of Common Prayer, compressing them into Morning and Evening Prayer for the reason that he believed every Christian, lay as well as any other, should be familiar and comfortable with this kind of daily prayer. To that extent, these prayers--modified of course from Matins, Lauds, etc.--remain a part of the heritage of Anglicans because of their standing with Evangelical/Low Churchmen. Here, I could ask you the question in reverse: are you in favor of deemphasizing the Daily Office (in the form of MP and EP)?

The sign of the cross. This ancient practice is maintained by Anglicans High and Low. I would only add that Evangelicals don't do it dozens of times during the service or think that it makes us more devout than if we didn't. There are places, of course, that its use is standard. At the Creed, for instance,or upon receiving the Cmmunion elements.

Incense? No, nothing I'd have any interest in. I can appreciate the symbolism behind it, of course, but it's one of those things that have been referred to here before as probably more of a distraction than a help to worship.

[benedictine]

I am in favor of expanding the Daily Office. I am in fact, currently working on my own breviary, under the direction of a priest whom I have great respect for.

What are your thoughts on the new offices (Noon, Evening Worship, and Compline) in the '79 prayer book?

[Albion]

I am in favor of expanding the Daily Office. I am in fact, currently working on my own breviary, under the direction of a priest whom I have great respect for.

What are your thoughts on the new offices (Noon, Evening Worship, and Compline) in the '79 prayer book?

That makes them neither fish nor fowl, to my mind. More than MP/EP but not the real Daily Office, either. So I wonder if this wasn't doing of some committee trying to balance opposing views.

Morning and Evening Prayer brought something almost unique to our church, but if one wanted to make every layman into unofficial monks, I suppose we could put the entire Daily Office into the BCP. Doing that, however, would work against the idea of the Book of "Common" Prayer. The occasional layperson who takes an interest in the Daily Office can do so with no difficulty on his own.

[benedictine]

So, you say that just sticking to MP/EP is better than adding the toher three offices? I'm just wondering.

[Paul S]

I am in favor of expanding the Daily Office. I am in fact, currently working on my own breviary, under the direction of a priest whom I have great respect for.

What are your thoughts on the new offices (Noon, Evening Worship, and Compline) in the '79 prayer book?

Not sure if you'd know this, but I'll ask anyway - any idea how similar the (I assume 1979) Office is to the current Catholic Office?

I pray the 1911 Breviary, myself, but whatever version you use, it's a great way to sanctify the entire day.

[Albion]

So, you say that just sticking to MP/EP is better than adding the toher three offices? I'm just wondering.

Yes.

[gtsecc]

Not sure if you'd know this, but I'll ask anyway - any idea how similar the (I assume 1979) Office is to the current Catholic Office?
Very.
Rite II is close to a modern RCC Mass, I think.
What do you think?

The Great Thanksgiving



Alternative forms will be found on page 367 and following.



Eucharistic Prayer A



The people remain standing. The Celebrant, whether bishop or priest,

faces them and sings or says



The Lord be with you.

People And also with you.

Celebrant Lift up your hearts.

People We lift them to the Lord.

Celebrant Let us give thanks to the Lord our God.

People It is right to give him thanks and praise.



Then, facing the Holy Table, the Celebrant proceeds



It is right, and a good and joyful thing, always and every‑

where to give thanks to you, Father Almighty, Creator of

heaven and earth.



Here a Proper Preface is sung or said on all Sundays, and on other

occasions as appointed.



Therefore we praise you, joining our voices with Angels and

Archangels and with all the company of heaven, who for ever

sing this hymn to proclaim the glory of your Name:



Celebrant and People



Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, God of power and might,

heaven and earth are full of your glory.

Hosanna in the highest.

Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Hosanna in the highest.



The people stand or kneel.



Then the Celebrant continues



Holy and gracious Father: In your infinite love you made us

for yourself; and, when we had fallen into sin and become

subject to evil and death, you, in your mercy, sent Jesus

Christ, your only and eternal Son, to share our human

nature, to live and die as one of us, to reconcile us to you, the

God and Father of all.



He stretched out his arms upon the cross, and offered himself,

in obedience to your will, a perfect sacrifice for the whole

world.



At the following words concerning the bread, the Celebrant is to hold it,

or lay a hand upon it; and at the words concerning the cup, to hold or

place a hand upon the cup and any other vessel containing wine to be consecrated.



On the night he was handed over to suffering and death, our

Lord Jesus Christ took bread; and when he had given thanks

to you, he broke it, and gave it to his disciples, and said, “Take,

eat: This is my Body, which is given for you. Do this for the

remembrance of me.”







After supper he took the cup of wine; and when he had given

thanks, he gave it to them, and said, “Drink this, all of you:

This is my Blood of the new Covenant, which is shed for you

and for many for the forgiveness of sins. Whenever you drink

it, do this for the remembrance of me.”



Therefore we proclaim the mystery of faith:



Celebrant and People



Christ has died.

Christ is risen.

Christ will come again.



The Celebrant continues



We celebrate the memorial of our redemption, O Father, in

this sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving. Recalling his death,

resurrection, and ascension, we offer you these gifts.



Sanctify them by your Holy Spirit to be for your people the

Body and Blood of your Son, the holy food and drink of new

and unending life in him. Sanctify us also that we may faithfully receive this holy Sacrament, and serve you in unity, constancy, and peace; and at the last day bring us with all your saints into the joy of your eternal kingdom.



All this we ask through your Son Jesus Christ. By him, and

with him, and in him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit all honor

and glory is yours, Almighty Father, now and for ever. AMEN.



And now, as our Savior

Christ has taught us,

we are bold to say,





People and Celebrant



Our Father, who art in heaven,

hallowed be thy Name,

thy kingdom come,

thy will be done,

on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our trespasses,

as we forgive those

who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation,

but deliver us from evil.

For thine is the kingdom,

and the power, and the glory,

for ever and ever.
Amen.





The Breaking of the Bread



The Celebrant breaks the consecrated Bread.



A period of silence is kept.



Then may be sung or said



[Alleluia.] Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us;

Therefore let us keep the feast. [Alleluia.]

[erin74]

I don't even know what sanctus bells are - never heard of them!

Just stumbled across the anglican part of CF and thought I'd have a look around, and answer a poll or two. Read through this tread, and learnt a lot of new words!

[benedictine]

Actually, I believe he was refering to the Daily Office.

Welcome to the forum, Erin. Stop by the Cantebury Alehouse!

[gtsecc]

Not sure if you'd know this, but I'll ask anyway - any idea how similar the (I assume 1979) Office is to the current Catholic Office?

I pray the 1911 Breviary, myself, but whatever version you use, it's a great way to sanctify the entire day.
oops!
I am not sure I answered your question.
If you can post an example of the RCC office, I can find the one we and then we can compare them.

[Paul S]

oops!
I am not sure I answered your question.
If you can post an example of the RCC office, I can find the one we and then we can compare them.

I was referring to the Office, not the Mass, but thanks for that comparison, too.

The current Liturgy of the Hours can be found at http://www.liturgyhours.org. The main hours are Morning Prayer (Lauds), Evening Prayer (Vespers) and Night Prayer (Compline), as well as the Office of Readings (Matins) which can now be said anytime. There's three smaller hours, Terce, Sext, and None (I forget the English names), Prime having been abolished as part of the Vatican II reforms.

Are the various Anglican rites of Mass (liturgy?) available online somewhere?

[gtsecc]

Are the various Anglican rites of Mass (liturgy?) available online somewhere?
All the Current and Historical Books of Common Prayer (http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/)

[Albion]

Albion, I'm curious. What are your sentiments regarding priestly collars, the direction the priest faces, Daily Office, the sign of the cross, and incensce.

benedictine, I thought the Blessing of a Civil Marriage of Charles and Camilla today was quite nice. Was there anything in the ceremonies that would make an Anglo-Catholic disappointed? I know of course that it wasn't a regular service, but just the same...

[SirTimothy]

Superb music at the service today, though, for those of us that saw it, wasn't it? I only saw a bit, but what I did see was fantastic. Besides which--we can't really complain, the ABC was involved.... :P

Timothy

[benedictine]

benedictine, I thought the Blessing of a Civil Marriage of Charles and Camilla today was quite nice. Was there anything in the ceremonies that would make an Anglo-Catholic disappointed? I know of course that it wasn't a regular service, but just the same...

I confess I didn't watch the ceremony. All the same, I don';t like Prince Charles, or Camilla.

[gtsecc]

benedictine, I thought the Blessing of a Civil Marriage of Charles and Camilla today was quite nice. Was there anything in the ceremonies that would make an Anglo-Catholic disappointed? I know of course that it wasn't a regular service, but just the same...
Was it a marriage or the blessing of a civil union?
How did you see it?
Can it be downloaded?

[Albion]

Was it a marriage or the blessing of a civil union?
How did you see it?
Can it be downloaded?

The civil marriage at the Guildhall was not telecast, but the blessing in St. George's Chapel, Windsor, with the Abp of Canterbury officiating was. The previous AbC, George Carey also participated. The cable news networks (CNN, MSNBC, FOX) carried it all morning yesterday. But, if anyone missed it, I think Fox News at least made mention of the intention to rebroadcast it Sunday evening. (I think. Check listings!)

Whatever one thinks of the bride and groom, you ought to see the ceremony if it is indeed going to be on again.

[gtsecc]

Whatever one thinks of the bride and groom, you ought to see the ceremony if it is indeed going to be on again.

Was there a Eucharistic celebration?
Did they have incense or Sanctus Bells or birretas?

[Albion]

Was there a Eucharistic celebration?
Did they have incense or Sanctus Bells or birretas?

BTW, I can't find a TV listing that indicates a rebroadcast of the event, but I'm sure I heard it somewhere. Just don't want to misinform you about that.

No incense, no bells, no birettas. As I said, this was the blessing of a civil union, something provided for in the lesser offices, plus the general confession from the liturgy. Officiant in rochet and chimere with scarf. My comment was that it was a beautiful, very uplifting, very nice Anglican service and had none of the elements I don't care for--but you may. I was wondering if it seemed undignified or lacking to your taste. But, of course, that presumes that you got a chance to see it.