Michael Rood

[Misty Minister]

What are your thoughts about Michael Rood's teachings?

[Child of the Most High]

Some of them are reviewed on the net:

http://www.isitso.org/guide/rood.html

[Jasmine-FL]

I may not agree with him, but it saddens me that some people choose to bash whomever has a different theology. Many people in the hebrew roots movement have been victims of this. Instead of refuting any of their theology, people prefer to attack their characters.

[Child of the Most High]

you don't have to like him, but a lot of people in the hebrew roots movement do and they ought to be respected and besides that site is full of lies.



I posted what was out there, so don't get mad at me. I have watched three or four of his teachings, and I personally thought that he presented a lot of stuff that wasn't really provable. That is my opinion. I would recommend that people just read the scriptures, and quit taking someone else's word for what the book says.

[Velcro]

Mr. Rood was in my area for years, and his books were being sold in the local Christian book stores. I will say this much: his books, which were eventually removed from the shelves in the stores at the suggestion of Messianics in this area, had prophecies with dates in them that had not come true upon those dates or for several months after those dates. This is not gossip; it is a fact which I saw personally, and this needs to be held up to the Light of the Scriptures. That, alone, is enough, but sin can be forgiven and the sinner can move on.

[Child of the Most High]

I had some friends that were really into this guy a few years ago. They were non-Jews, and all of a sudden then started telling me that they were Jews.I don't know if that is something they got from him or not. I explained to them that you are either born a Jew or convert, you do not magically become one. They got mad at me then, but we laugh about it now.

[Child of the Most High]

The site "seek g-d" (in fact "seek lashon hara" would be more appropriate) pretty much attacks everyone who is in the hebrew roots movement, says that the hebrew roots movement will lead to the babylonian ecumenical religion and advocates a 1-prayer, 30-second cheap-grace salvation.

you don't have to like him, but a lot of people in the hebrew roots movement do and they ought to be respected and besides that site is full of lies.

After re-reading the reviews, it appears that they were written by a Messianic or hebrew roots person. :confused:

[Child of the Most High]

He was also discussed on a huge Messianic forum where a lot of Jewish believers and Jewish non believers hang out.The comments below are from the moderator, who is a Jewish believer.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/message/9099

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/message/9095

[Jasmine-FL]

Personally I hate that yahoo group. I sense a lot of arrogance there and they bash any messianic they don't agree with theologically. And in fact I find them more Christian than messianic. Nobody has appointed them judges over what is and what is not legitimate in the hebrew roots movement.

Oh, and just for what its worth i'm not a fan or Rood either but it annoys me that a lot of people they disagree with get nuked at their group.

He was also discussed on a huge Messianic forum where a lot of Jewish believers and Jewish non believers hang out.The comments below are from the moderator, who is a Jewish believer.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/message/9099

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/message/9095

[Child of the Most High]

Jasmine,

In your earlier post which you toned down (thankfully) you commented about the link that I posted being from a site that is anti Messianic. I would suggest that the site appears to me to be anti- falsehood on all accounts (church included) and is far from anti semetic. The site that I posted (censored) is posted by many frequently on other Messianic forums that I read with absolutely no problems. One traditional rabbi in Florida actually used information on that site to expose a Hebrew roots teacher who had a picture of a tallit draped over his dog on his website. The webmaster of (censored) had commented about what an offense that must be to the Jewish people.

[Child of the Most High]

Personally I hate that yahoo group. I sense a lot of arrogance there and they bash any messianic they don't agree with theologically. And in fact I find them more Christian than messianic. Nobody has appointed them judges over what is and what is not legitimate in the hebrew roots movement.

Oh, and just for what its worth i'm not a fan or Rood either but it annoys me that a lot of people they disagree with get nuked at their group.

Messianic Apologetic is not really about Hebrew roots.If you are oing there for the feel good theology of roots you will not find it there. It is about Messianic Judaism, and is run by a Jewish believer named Schmuel from "Noo Yawk" city and is full of Jewish contributors believers and non-believers alike. Jews for Jesus' Moishe Rosen is on there and Jews for Judaism even has a few reps that post on there. Yes, they tip over a lot of golden calves on that forum, but you will be hard pressed to find another forum that exposes falsehood, and presents scholarly information such as found on there. As far as your comment about them being more Christian than Jewish, I feel that that is an unfounded claim that many would disagree with. Did you read the discussion on the HRV that was on there? The information was substantiated quite well, and was not just a bunch of wild accusations. You may want to reconsider the translation that you are using.

[Jasmine-FL]

The site which you advocated, COTMH, says that hebrew roots movement will eventually lead to the one-world religion described in Revelation. Besides bashing all things messianic, the site also promotes 1-prayer, 1-minute, cheap-grace salvation. That waters down the gospel to a fast-food restaurant menu item, which disgusts me. There is nothing good about that site, so why should I use it as a reference to attack people I disagree with theologically speaking? There are also many sites out there refuting the lies placed in the site in question. I'm sure you can google them up, if you're interested.

[Jasmine-FL]

Messianic Apologetic is not really about Hebrew roots.If you are oing there for the feel good theology of roots you will not find it there.

Feel good theology? If you really knew what many of the people who get bashed in there are really saying, it is anything but feel good theology. Have you read Avi Ben Mordechai's commentary on Galatians? Is THAT feel good theology? Please!


It is about Messianic Judaism

It is about Messianic Judaism as they define it, and they make it quite clear they are not open to the theological differences there are in MJism.


, and is run by a Jewish believer named Schmuel from "Noo Yawk" city and is full of Jewish contributors believers and non-believers alike. Jews for Jesus' Moishe Rosen is on there

The presence of J4J, a group I stay away from, is enough for me to say they are more Christian than Messianic.


and Jews for Judaism even has a few reps that post on there. Yes, they tip over a lot of golden calves on that forum, but you will be hard pressed to find another forum that exposes falsehood, and presents scholarly information such as found on there.

And arrogantly reject any scholarly information that goes against whatever their agenda is. Just for the record, nazarene-judaism yahoo group is equally full of scholarly information, decent and knowledgeable people.


As far as your comment about them being more Christian than Jewish, I feel that that is an unfounded claim that many would disagree with.

J4J being in there makes my claim anything but unfounded.


Did you read the discussion on the HRV that was on there? The information was substantiated quite well, and was not just a bunch of wild accusations.


Yes I did. I also read the HRV for myself, which is a lot more than most will do. Did YOU read what was being said FOR the HRV, or did you stick only to those reviews which bashed it?

[/quote]You may want to reconsider the translation that you are using.[/QUOTE]

And you may want to reconsider giving ears to lashon hara and actually read for yourself what such people are saying.

~J~

[Child of the Most High]

The site which you advocated, COTMH, says that hebrew roots movement will eventually lead to the one-world religion described in Revelation.

Correction Jasmine. I says that all false teaching will lead to that. Are you saying that the Hebrew roots movement doesn't have false teaching?



Besides bashing all things messianic, the site also promotes 1-prayer, 1-minute, cheap-grace salvation. That waters down the gospel to a fast-food restaurant menu item, which disgusts me.

What disgusts me is people that preach another Messiah and another Gospel, as many teachers in the hebrew roots movement do.




There is nothing good about that site, so why should I use it as a reference to attack people I disagree with theologically speaking? There are also many sites out there refuting the lies placed in the site in question. .

Why don't you tell me what they are. I haven't seen any refutation of anything, just a bunch of people shouting lashon hara after they have been exposed.

[Child of the Most High]

Feel good theology? If you really knew what many of the people who get bashed in there are really saying, it is anything but feel good theology. Have you read Avi Ben Mordechai's commentary on Galatians? Is THAT feel good theology?

Avi's teachings are feel good theology that is in error, and change at will..



It is about Messianic Judaism as they define it, and they make it quite clear they are not open to the theological differences there are in MJism.

The presence of J4J, a group I stay away from, is enough for me to say they are more Christian than Messianic.


That forum has all sorts of opinions flying around on it. JFJ founder is just one of the many. Jews for Judaism is another. Quite a selection huh?



And arrogantly reject any scholarly information that goes against whatever their agenda is. Just for the record, nazarene-judaism yahoo group is equally full of scholarly information, decent and knowledgeable people.

I beg to differ. That forum is a mess, and full of unprovable claims used to promote products.


Yes I did. I also read the HRV for myself, which is a lot more than most will do. Did YOU read what was being said FOR the HRV, or did you stick only to those reviews which bashed it?

And you may want to reconsider giving ears to lashon hara and actually read for yourself what such people are saying.


I saw his book, and was not that impressed. I check out everything for myself. Just because we do not agree on this Jasmine, does not mean that I dislike you. I am making these statements so that you will consider them, because there are many deceivers out there that will attempt to mislead us (as written in scripture), therefore we must be careful to guard ourselves as well as each other.

[Sephania]

What are your thoughts about Michael Rood's teachings?

Here are some early opinions on this man, dating back a few years from this forum


http://www.christianforums.com/t21289&page=1



And here's a more recent and lenghtier discussion http://www.christianforums.com/t1225440-michael-rood-a-rood-awakening.html that got closed for review over a month ago and was never re-opened. That ought to tell you the various feelings about this man without any one else here starting it all up again. ( Not addressing the OP) :)

[yod]

I am no fan of Mr Rood but I would like to add that I've seen false information given on the "seekgod" website also.

It does seem to be a rather narrowly slanted perspective being given there and messianics get the short end of the 2 sticks. (LOL)

[Child of the Most High]

I am no fan of Mr Rood but I would like to add that I've seen false information given on the "seekgod" website also.

Yod,

Could you please be specific on what information that you are referring to. I have been in this movement for many years, I have have seen a lot of things on that site that was dead on even before it was general public knowledge. That site is tough on all groups that are teaching error, with the church being the one most criticized.

[Misty Minister]

Thank you for returning to the OP topic Zayit.

[shmuel]

On one of the threads referenced by Zayit, I noted a specific erroneous teaching about Hebrew. Either Rood does not know basic Hebrew (in which case he is not qualified to be a Hebrew roots teacher) or else he is deliberately being misleading. Either way I don't believe that he should be defended.

Because Vicky tries to cover so much, she sometimes goes beyond her areas of knowledge. That said, I find her site to be very informative. It was there I found a copy of James Trimm's so called transcript from the seminary granting his doctorate. I've spent my entire professional life (well over 30 years now) in research and academia. I know what college transcripts look like and how to interpret them. Trimm's "doctorate" from an obscure unacredited defunct seminary is worthless as a scholarly credential. At Vicky's site I also found the connections between MBI and Trimm.

S

[Sephania]

Thank you for returning to the OP topic Zayit.

I tried. :doh:

[Child of the Most High]

On one of the threads referenced by Zayit, I noted a specific erroneous teaching about Hebrew. Either Rood does not know basic Hebrew (in which case he is not qualified to be a Hebrew roots teacher) or else he is deliberately being misleading. Either way I don't believe that he should be defended.



I concur Shmuel. I saw a copy of his latest book, and in it he stated the following as fact.

"ROOD-imentary Explanation
Y'shua: a common, compound name in Hebrew (in English, "Joshua")
Where does it come from and what does it mean?
Yah: the short form of the name of the Almighty---Yahweh
Yeshua: Hebrew for "salvation"
Yahweh -- Yeshua: commonly contracted, Yahshua
Yahshua" Yahweh is our Salvation".

Do you want to take apart this supposedly Hebrew grammatical explanation Shmuel, or should I?

[insaneinthebrain]

Okay, 2 problems here:

1) this discussion is about a man who denies the divinity of Messiah, something that is forbidden on this forum.

2) this thread has turned into a discussion of an anti-messianic site. We don't allow links to it posted, so claims cannot be backed up.

Therefore, this thread is closed.

insaneinthebrain - Senior Moderator