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Sephania
29th March 2005, 02:23 PM
What do you think that the L-RD is trying to get across with this repetition in Amos?

{I find this interesting too:

1 The words of 'Amos, one of the sheep owners in T'koa, which he saw concerning Isra'el in the days of 'Uziyah king of Y'hudah and Yarov'am the son of Yo'ash, king of Isra'el, two years before the earthquake; }

3 Here is what ADONAI says:
"For Dammesek's three crimes, no, four - I will not reverse it - because they threshed Gil'ad with an iron-spiked threshing-sledge; 4 I will send fire to the house of Haza'el, and it will consume the palaces of Ben-Hadad. 5 I will break the bars of Dammesek's gates. I will cut off the inhabitants from Bik'at-Aven, and him who holds the scepter from Beit-'Eden. Then the people of Aram will go into exile in Kir," says ADONAI.

6 Here is what ADONAI says:
"For 'Azah's three crimes, no, four - I will not reverse it because they exiled a whole population and handed them over to Edom; 7 I will send fire to the wall of 'Azah, and it will consume its palaces. 8 I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him who holds the scepter from Ashkelon. I will turn my hand against 'Ekron, and the rest of the P'lishtim will perish," says ADONAI, God.

9 Here is what ADONAI says:
"For Tzor's three crimes, no, four - I will not reverse it because they exiled a whole population to Edom and did not remember the covenant with kinsmen; 10 I will send fire to the wall of Tzor, and it will consume its palaces."

11 Here is what ADONAI says:
"For Edom's three crimes, no, four - I will not reverse it because with sword he pursued his kinsman and threw aside all pity, constantly nursing his anger, forever fomenting his fury; 12 I will send fire on Teman, and it will consume the palaces of Botzrah."

13 Here is what ADONAI says:
"For the people of 'Amon's three crimes, no, four - I will not reverse it - because they ripped apart pregnant women just to expand their territory, 14 I will set fire to the wall of Rabbah, and it will consume its palaces amid shouts on the day of battle, amid a storm on the day of the whirlwind. 15 Their king will go into exile, he and his princes together," says ADONAI.

2:1 Here is what ADONAI says:
"For Mo'av's three crimes, no, four - I will not reverse it because he burned the bones of the king of Edom, turning them into lime; 2 I will send fire on Mo'av, and it will consume the palaces of K'riot. Mo'av will die with turmoil and shouting, along with the sound of the shofar. 3 I will cut off the judge from among them and kill all his princes with him," says ADONAI.

4 Here is what ADONAI says:
"For Y'hudah's three crimes, no, four - I will not reverse it because they rejected ADONAI's Torah and haven't observed his laws, and their lies caused them to fall into error and live the way their ancestors did; 5 I will send fire on Y'hudah, and it will consume the palaces of Yerushalayim.

6 Here is what ADONAI says:
"For Isra'el's three crimes, no, four - I will not reverse it because they sell the upright for silver and the poor for a pair of shoes, 7 grinding the heads of the poor in the dust and pushing the lowly out of the way; father and son sleep with the same girl, profaning my holy name; 8 lying down beside any altar on clothes taken in pledge; drinking wine in the house of their God bought with fines they imposed.

visionary
29th March 2005, 02:36 PM
Four crimes,....
Crimes against the Father
Crimes against the Son
Crimes against the Holy Spirit

no four....

Crimes against the Torah/Kingdom

Sephania
8th April 2005, 09:02 AM
I just found more in Proverbs 30:

15-16

Three things are never satisfied;
four never say, "Enough!"__________
Sh'ol and a barren womb;
the earth, never satisfied with water;
and fire, which never says, "Enough!"

18

Three things are too wonderful for me:
four beyond my knowledge--------

the way of an eagle in the sky,
the way of a snake on a rock,
the way of a ship on the open sea,
and the way of a man with a girl.


21-23

Three things make the earth quake,
four things it can't bear -
a slave who becomes king,
a boor gorged with food,
a hated [wife] when her husband takes her [back],
and a slave-girl who inherits from her mistress.

29-31
Three things are stately in their stride,
four of stately gait
the lion, mightiest of beasts, which turns aside for none;
the greyhound,
the billy-goat
and the king when his army is with him.

Sephania
8th April 2005, 09:05 AM
Four crimes,....
Crimes against the Father
Crimes against the Son
Crimes against the Holy Spirit

no four....

Crimes against the Torah/Kingdom:scratch: Not sure what you are saying Vis?

Sephania
8th April 2005, 09:08 AM
Not exactly worded like the others but I see a similarity.

1 N'vukhadnetzar the king had a gold statue made, ninety feet high and nine feet wide, which he set up on the plain of Dura, in the province of Bavel...............................................................
16 Shadrakh, Meishakh and 'Aved-N'go answered the king, "Your question doesn't require an answer from us. 17 Your majesty, if our God, whom we serve, is able to save us, he will save us from the blazing hot furnace and from your power. 18 But even if he doesn't, we want you to know, your majesty, that we will neither serve your gods nor worship the gold statue which you have set up."

23 These three men, Shadrakh, Meishakh and 'Aved-N'go, fell, bound, into the blazing hot furnace. 24 Suddenly N'vukhadnetzar sprang to his feet. Alarmed, he asked his advisers, "Didn't we throw three men, bound, into the flames?"They answered the king, "Yes, of course, your majesty." 25 But he exclaimed, "Look! I see four men, not tied up, walking around there in the flames, unhurt; and the fourth looks like one of the gods!"


We put in three men, now I see four!!!! :)

debi b
8th April 2005, 12:03 PM
Generally speaking, the graded numerical sequence provides a frame within which a list of items can be given. Sometimes only one number of the pair is intended and that is the one the writer desires to draw our attention to. This is possibly the case here and is a style of writing - poetry provides us with alot of different literary styles that need to be considered before we can try to understand their meaning.