Problem

[mjterry87]

Hey guys, I have a problem that I can't solve by myself. Last night I was on a web site called myspace, it is a place where thousands of young people go and make profiles, talk, and stuff like that. Well, they also have groups, and I joined the Myspace Jews group, and they had a thread on what denomination of Judaism you are. I wanted to put reformed, because MJ is sort of reformed, but I did not want to lie, so I started a new thread telling them that I was a Messianic. I told them that J4J is nothing like MJ, and I also told them a little about MJ. Well, there were some nice people who replied, but there were some who were just really rude and were telling me that I am not Jewish anymore, and that me accepting Yeshua is sinful, and the millions of Jews have died because of him, and that most of them would rather die than accept him. Well, it really hurt, I mean I know why Jews don't accept Yeshua, and I know how they feel about Messianics, at east I thought I did. There was this one guy who made a good point, don't ask don't tell, when it comes to the Messiah issue.

The problem is that I am Jewish, and I respect, and identify myself with the Jewish people. I live a Jewish life, and love Israel. But they don't like me. Espically the proud Jews, like me, people who I have so much in common with, hate me. I just don't understand. What do you guys do in the regular Jewish community? Just play the don't ask don't tell game? Besides some kids at school, my family, and Temple, I don't know that many Jews. I don't want to lie, but I want to fit in with my people. Shalom :cry:

[Sephania]

MJ, I know this is difficult for you, and very hurtful, but remember Yeshua said, "they will hate you because they hated me". Now who do you think he was referring to? Remember they are His people too. If you want to associate with them, then do so on a common ground. Share talks about Kosher, or Shabbat or school even, Hebrew, things that will let them get to know you first. I am afraid that you showed your cards too soon and they may be very leary of talking to you now. Perhaps wait a little while and maybe registar with a different name? that way you won't be stigmatized.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not telling you to lie, just that you don't need to reveal your whole heart at once. Remember Yeshua did not run around claiming to be the Messiah, he let his works and the way he conducted his life, speak for itself. That is why he asked his talmidim "who do people say I am?" And Kefa was given the truth from the Father that he was indeed the Messiah, the Son of the Living G-d , but yet Yeshua told them to not broadcast that.

[visionary]

Zayit is right, MJterry....the Lord gave us His example of how to walk among the people and talk at their level.

[blessed2]

Great reply Zayit!
Keep your chin up Michael, remember that our every situation and our every longing is
taken care of by someone who loves us so very much. Bring this request to Him in prayer and He will provide a fellowship for you who will fulfill your need and enrich your life.

[simchat_torah]

This...The problem is that I am Jewish,and this... and I respect, and identify myself with the Jewish people. are two totally different things.

Careful there.
-Yafet

[MyZz]

MJterry,just wanna give you a :hug:
As Zayit said there will be some that hate you because of Him and at those moments when you feel so torn remember how Yeshua felt when he wept for Jersusalem, he loved his people so much,so much that he was going to lay down his life for them, yet they understood him not.
Shalom achi:hug:

[Yael]

Hey guys, I have a problem that I can't solve by myself. Last night I was on a web site called myspace, it is a place where thousands of young people go and make profiles, talk, and stuff like that. Well, they also have groups, and I joined the Myspace Jews group, and they had a thread on what denomination of Judaism you are. I wanted to put reformed, because MJ is sort of reformed, but I did not want to lie, so I started a new thread telling them that I was a Messianic. I told them that J4J is nothing like MJ, and I also told them a little about MJ. Well, there were some nice people who replied, but there were some who were just really rude and were telling me that I am not Jewish anymore, and that me accepting Yeshua is sinful, and the millions of Jews have died because of him, and that most of them would rather die than accept him. Well, it really hurt, I mean I know why Jews don't accept Yeshua, and I know how they feel about Messianics, at east I thought I did. There was this one guy who made a good point, don't ask don't tell, when it comes to the Messiah issue.

The problem is that I am Jewish, and I respect, and identify myself with the Jewish people. I live a Jewish life, and love Israel. But they don't like me. Espically the proud Jews, like me, people who I have so much in common with, hate me. I just don't understand. What do you guys do in the regular Jewish community? Just play the don't ask don't tell game? Besides some kids at school, my family, and Temple, I don't know that many Jews. I don't want to lie, but I want to fit in with my people. Shalom :cry:

If you were born a Jew you are always a Jew. There will always be an opinion of someone as to how "good" a Jew you are.

[mjterry87]

Thanks guys, you are right. Not revealing who I totally am right up front is not lying. Thanks, shalom :wave:

[shmuel]

I wanted to see what myspace was about. From what I could see (not being a member), I don't see how a believer could be comfortable there.

Just my $.02!

S

[Mary_Magdalene]

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Careful there.
-Yafet


Yafet,

Could you elaborate? Thanks. :wave:

[simchat_torah]

Merely because one respects or identifies with the Jewish people does not make them Jewish (religious or racial).

[Tishri1]

MJTerry, I am so sorry that happened to you. I can't imajine how that must have made you feel.:sigh:

I had been sneaking about a few Jewish sights for a couple of months, I was invited there by an Israeli Jew and a non Jew convert who was a teenager and I believe had missed the messianic movement before he started his convertion, (I still talk to and pray for him) and would have found all his answers right here but missed this whole thing somehow. The Israeli Jew on the other hand is more like a missionary for Judiasm. He has a concern for me especially because my mother is Jewish(by blood) and that makes me Jewish, and so they both invited me to come but told me not to tell anyone I was Messianic.

Well I learned alot there about the Torah BUT I saw alot of anger there towards Yeshua. I supposed that they were just hurt at what "Christians" did to them over the centuries, and I felt they were intitled to be hurt and angry and if they knew better they would stop blaming Him(Yeshua) and put the blame where it belonged.

They may indeed do that someday so I feel for them...but after a while the abuse they threw at ,not Christians persay;but at My Yeshua started to get to me. He was Satan to them. They had a demon named "J." and they abused, ridiculed, lied about, and demoralised Him daily. I was starting to get sick by it :sick: so I stopped visiting that place real fast.

Honestly it was as if Yeshua wore the mask of all the people who had ever abused them,(murdered them) not Satan as we see it, but Yeshua did that to them. There was sooo much hatred there for Yeshua and there was nothing I could think of to do about it.

If I could show them that People who were pons of the enemy, demon possessed, crazy people were to blame not my Yeshua; I would have been so happy....but I don't think, from what I saw, they want to see the truth, they are fine with believing the lie that Yeshua brought hell into their lives and deserves all the trash and insults they throw at him each day.

I'm not mad surprizingly, just incredibly saddened and scared to think that He is portrayed so horribly.

I wished I could fix it ...I was paralized...and in hiding...:cry:

[MyZz]

the way Yeshua seems to our jewish brethren reminds me of the passage in yeshayahu/isaiah where it says that he was so disfigured and many were appalled at him.It seems yeshua has been so disfigured by what some and i stress only some so called christians have done in his name that now his own people cannot recognise him in isaiah 53 it says like someone from whom peole turned their faces,he was despised and they did not value him

Maybe this isnt meant to be the context for tht but i always think this is what many of what the jewish people feel about him.I always wonder what would have happened,if the christian church hadnt abandoned all its jewish practices and turned so anti semitic -there would not have been such a vehement reason for them to hate yeshua so much.Like you say,Tishri,all the centuries of hate are dumped on him.I also think that while the jewish people have been in the past continually wrongly accused of having crucified yeshua,by some people,(and that was their justification of such atrocities) in the last judgmeent the jewish people could accuse the christian church of having also disfigured and done away with the real jewish yeshua.
Dunno if im putting this across right or not LOL..just some rambling thoughts..

[Mikhail]

The problem is that I am Jewish, and I respect, and identify myself with the Jewish people. I live a Jewish life, and love Israel. But they don't like me. Espically the proud Jews, like me, people who I have so much in common with, hate me. I just don't understand. What do you guys do in the regular Jewish community? Just play the don't ask don't tell game? Besides some kids at school, my family, and Temple, I don't know that many Jews. I don't want to lie, but I want to fit in with my people. Shalom :cry:

Here is a little story, I have an Israeli friends who live in Australia, he used to attend early morning prayers at a local shul. They new he was a beleiver in Yeshua. It got to the point that the Rabbi told him you are not Jewish and was best if he did not attend. My friends was hurt, but a week or so later decided to go to early morning prayer anyway even though he had decided to no longer go anymore. As it happens he walked in just as they were at the point of decding whether their was a Minyan to be able to open the Torah.

He was the tenth man, the Rabbi looked at my friend then at the others and gave the ok to open the Torah.

The point is HaShem set this up to prove to this biased rabbi that he had to accept that my friend despite his faith in Yeshua still is a Hebrew regardless of anything he says.
Shalom,
Mikhail

[Tishri1]

the way Yeshua seems to our jewish brethren reminds me of the passage in yeshayahu/isaiah where it says that he was so disfigured and many were appalled at him.It seems yeshua has been so disfigured by what some and i stress only some so called christians have done in his name that now his own people cannot recognise him in isaiah 53 it says like someone from whom peole turned their faces,he was despised and they did not value him

Maybe this isnt meant to be the context for tht but i always think this is what many of what the jewish people feel about him.I always wonder what would have happened,if the christian church hadnt abandoned all its jewish practices and turned so anti semitic -there would not have been such a vehement reason for them to hate yeshua so much.Like you say,Tishri,all the centuries of hate are dumped on him.I also think that while the jewish people have been in the past continually wrongly accused of having crucified yeshua,by some people,(and that was their justification of such atrocities) in the last judgmeent the jewish people could accuse the christian church of having also disfigured and done away with the real jewish yeshua.
Dunno if im putting this across right or not LOL..just some rambling thoughts..MyZz,
I like those rambling thoughts:thumbsup: My thoughts exactly:wave:

[Tishri1]

Here is a little story, I have an Israeli friends who live in Australia, he used to attend early morning prayers at a local shul. They new he was a beleiver in Yeshua. It got to the point that the Rabbi told him you are not Jewish and was best if he did not attend. My friends was hurt, but a week or so later decided to go to early morning prayer anyway even though he had decided to no longer go anymore. As it happens he walked in just as they were at the point of decding whether their was a Minyan to be able to open the Torah.

He was the tenth man, the Rabbi looked at my friend then at the others and gave the ok to open the Torah.

The point is HaShem set this up to prove to this biased rabbi that he had to accept that my friend despite his faith in Yeshua still is a Hebrew regardless of anything he says.
Shalom,
Mikhail

I love your story! It speaks volumes to me. Yeshua is the one who completes the Minyon! Also we are included in this too (as gentiles being grafted in )
Zechariah 8:23 23 "Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'In those days ten men(A Minyon/Congregation) from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."'" ...:clap: and It doesn't say that they refused either

[MyZz]

Happy birthday:clap: MIKHAILI loved ur post about the minyan..t'was just awesome and bet it made the Rabbi think too eh?;)

[beej7]

I have an Israeli friend in Beer Sheva. We have had a discussion on Yeshua, because I had seen so many web sites that were so cruel and said dispicable things about Him...She said she didn't want to hurt my feelings, but that most Israeli's she knew never really give Him a thought.

I agree with what has been said here on behalf of Mj. It would be difficult to want to be part of something you feel so deeply about and identify with so closely. But as has been said---they hated Him first.

We need to pray that your needs will be met by the Holy Spirit, and also that He will send you friends and supporters to be with. I guess it can sometimes be a lonely existence. Show your faith by your love of others, your love of G-d, and you will be known as a Godly person. You won't have to label yourself at all. You are already
walking on that path.

Beej