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Sephania
23rd March 2005, 01:12 PM
John 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

AKA Y'hudah Ben-Shim`on from K'riot.

Joshua 19:1 And the second lot came forth to Simeon, even for the tribe of the children of Simeon according to their families: and their inheritance was within the inheritance of the children of Judah.


19:9 The inheritance of the descendants of Shim'on was taken out of the allotment for the descendants of Y'hudah, because the portion given to the descendants of Y'hudah was too much for them, so the descendants of Shim'on had an inheritance inside the descendants of Y'hudah.



Just what was the mission of Judah, called Judas?

visionary
23rd March 2005, 01:53 PM
Kingdom now philosophy.

Shimshon
23rd March 2005, 02:26 PM
Kingdom now philosophy.Very good Visionary. Having been through much Kingdom Now theology myself I recognize exactly what you are refering to.

Do you not also see how Y'hudah itself fits this 'philosophy' as well?

Sephania
28th March 2005, 04:27 PM
Do you think these verses are prophetic about this man?

Joshua 19:1 And the second lot came forth to Simeon, even for the tribe of the children of Simeon according to their families: and their inheritance was within the inheritance of the children of Judah.


19:9 The inheritance of the descendants of Shim'on was taken out of the allotment for the descendants of Y'hudah, because the portion given to the descendants of Y'hudah was too much for them, so the descendants of Shim'on had an inheritance inside the descendants of Y'hudah.

visionary
28th March 2005, 04:44 PM
Then why did they not crown Yeshua King since they were wanting the Messiah now?

Mikhail
28th March 2005, 05:24 PM
Then why did they not crown Yeshua King since they were wanting the Messiah now?

Because he was looking for a crown given by his Father in Heaven, not by the consensus of men.

Crowns/Authority given from Heaven cannot be taken away, but crowns given by men cab always be removed.

Sephania
29th March 2005, 06:04 PM
Why was it important to know where Judah(s) was from?

What/where is K'riot anyway?


The english translation - Iskariotes - Iscariot = "men of Kerioth"

Strongs says: of Hebrew origin probably

Kerioth = "cities"

a town in the southern district of Judah
a city in Moab

Jos 15:25 And Hazor, Hadattah, and Kerioth, and Hezron, which is Hazor,

Jer 48:24 And upon Kerioth, and upon Bozrah, and upon all the cities of the land of Moab, far or near.

Jer 48:41 Kerioth is taken, and the strong holds are surprised, and the mighty men's hearts in Moab at that day shall be as the heart of a woman in her pangs.

Am 2:2 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:


Isn't Moab figured in "end-time" prophecies?