Korn guitarist finds God, leaves band

[SumTinWong]

Great News !!!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/23/music.korn.reut/

[SumTinWong]

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=554474

Even got baptized in the Jordan river... wow...

[ZiSunka]

Old news, but YEAH!!!!!! :)

[SumTinWong]

Well I just found out about it yesterday:( Next time some druggy guitar player leaves a popular band to become a Christian let me know will ya? :D

[Lockheed]

Too bad he's already being paraded around and called upon to give his "testimony" at churches. He needs to take some time and really study the Word before getting involved in public ministry... if he falls away he'll take a lot of people with him.

[seebs]

I'm sorta selfishly sad about this, because I liked his musical work; I wish he felt able to continue using his artistic talents. Maybe he'll start another band!

[Iollain]

Amen!

I hope Marylin Manson is next! I pay for that guy all the time.

[seebs]

I wonder how many people used to pray for Alice Cooper.

[SumTinWong]

Since his dad was a minster in Berkly Mich, I know of at least one who probably did ;)

[seebs]

Since his dad was a minster in Berkly Mich, I know of at least one who probably did ;)

There was a newspaper article a while back about the Pat Boone metal album, where it was mentioned that he and Alice Cooper were on tour together, and it turns out they're both devout Christians. My favorite part of the article was a reference to Marilyn Manson as "the current gothic shock rocker with a girl's name".

[SumTinWong]

hehe. Alice Cooper may have at one point become a Christian I am not sure if I have heard that, but that would be awesome. I loved that guy when I was a kid, and especially the Alice Cooper Goes to hell album. Favorite song by him was Clones (we're all).

I also know that the guys in Black Sabbath don't worship Satan, and Ronnie James Dio did two Christian songs on Kansas' lead guitarist Kerry ivgren album seeds of change. Live for the king, and mask of the great deciever, while he wa with Black Sabbath.

It would be tough for me to profess Christ and go out on stage and "pretend" to be evil in some way. Just me though :)

[ZiSunka]

Too bad he's already being paraded around and called upon to give his "testimony" at churches. He needs to take some time and really study the Word before getting involved in public ministry... if he falls away he'll take a lot of people with him.

Amen to that!

[Lockheed]

It would be tough for me to profess Christ and go out on stage and "pretend" to be evil in some way. Just me though



LOL, I've seen a lot of people "profess Christ and go out" and actually be evil!

[ZiSunka]

hehe. Alice Cooper may have at one point become a Christian I am not sure if I have heard that, but that would be awesome. I loved that guy when I was a kid, and especially the Alice Cooper Goes to hell album. Favorite song by him was Clones (we're all).

I also know that the guys in Black Sabbath don't worship Satan, and Ronnie James Dio did two Christian songs on Kansas' lead guitarist Kerry ivgren album seeds of change. Live for the king, and mask of the great deciever, while he wa with Black Sabbath.

It would be tough for me to profess Christ and go out on stage and "pretend" to be evil in some way. Just me though :)

Back in the late 80s, Cooper was seen playing golf with Billy Graham and the rumor started that Graham had led him to the Lord, but they were, in fact, just playing on the same team for a charity event. No conversion ever materialized.

[Sword-In-Hand]

Alice Cooper is a Christian.

I saw about a year ago where he either got a diploma, ged or a degree of some sorts and when he went up to the podium in front of the large crowd he said, "my first responsibility is to lift up my savior Jesus Christ."

Yep....sounds like a Christian to me.

Head is planning on releasing some music, while he doesn't call it Christian, he says its from the Lord. What's sad is that he said in an interview that the band doesn't talk to him anymore.

Gotta ask, though, what's wrong with being asked to give his testimony so soon? Are we not supposed to proclaim what Christ has done for us? I think it's great what he's doing.

[Lockheed]

Gotta ask, though, what's wrong with being asked to give his testimony so soon? Are we not supposed to proclaim what Christ has done for us? I think it's great what he's doing.

We are to proclaim the "hope that is within us", yes. But a person who has only recently converted to Christianity and who is basically a 'baby Christian' needs the milk of the Word, not the limelight of christian-stardom. Such things can sometimes serve to puff up the man, rather than the Lord.

Instead, like a newborn, such people need to be carefully taught and led in the doctrines of our Lord and Savior that they might, at some point in the future, tell of the glorious grace of God.

[Sword-In-Hand]

We are to proclaim the "hope that is within us", yes. But a person who has only recently converted to Christianity and who is basically a 'baby Christian' needs the milk of the Word, not the limelight of christian-stardom. Such things can sometimes serve to puff up the man, rather than the Lord.

Instead, like a newborn, such people need to be carefully taught and led in the doctrines of our Lord and Savior that they might, at some point in the future, tell of the glorious grace of God.

And what if he is reading and delving into the Word? Do we know? To me all of that seems to be placing a judgment on the man when all he is doing is telling of how great Jesus is. Yes, please silence him.

If he slips and falls, then I'll retract the statement, but until then, we don't know the man, his heart or what he's doing outside of being on television.

[Lockheed]

And what if he is reading and delving into the Word? Do we know? To me all of that seems to be placing a judgment on the man when all he is doing is telling of how great Jesus is. Yes, please silence him.

What if as a new Christian, he gets out on stage and tells all the people how the father came to earth and died in his place? (I've seen this happen!)
...and then tells them all how they can have a wonderful life and new car just by saying a prayer... (I've seen this too.)



See, disciples need to be discipled, just as children need training before they they're allowed to venture into the World. He may be reading and delving into the Word, but he only recently announced his faith. Baptize the man and get him into study. Save the limelight for Christ.2 Tim 2:15

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

If he slips and falls, then I'll retract the statement, but until then, we don't know the man, his heart or what he's doing outside of being on television.


I'm tired of this subtle accusation when someone offers an admonishment or warning that another is 'judging'. The fact is, even if this guy WASN'T a superstar, I'd recommend the very same thing.

Rather than waiting for this new believer to 'slip and fall' we aught to seek that hebe immersed in the Word, as Paul told Timothy to be... For there are plenty of examples of superstars who became Christian for a time and then fell away. Like seed on rocky soil. The world and its riches is a very powerful lure for folks like these.

I recall a certain guy who was a 'Christian comedian' for years and who had all these great stories... he was paraded around and placed in the limelight, he sold tickets and albums.. only to get divorced three times and start his own strange church. Then there's Bob Dylan, who did a whole album on Christ, only now to be back in the secular world.

Christians were all excited about these guys and gave them the spotlight... but our faith isn't about the name recognition of some superstar, it's about the blood of Christ shed on Calvary.

[Iollain]

Alice also goes to church every week.

[Lockheed]

I think we were talking about the Korn guy.

[Iollain]

Yes, i know you are talking about the Korn guy, i was talking about Alice.

[Lockheed]

One of these days, Alice! POW ZAM BOOM!

[GreenEyedLady]

Does this Korn guy think that the water saved him somehow and changed him, or did he go through the plan of salvation?
I am confused to why the Jordon is such a big deal.
GEL

[Sword-In-Hand]

Does this Korn guy think that the water saved him somehow and changed him, or did he go through the plan of salvation?
I am confused to why the Jordon is such a big deal.
GEL

Yes, I've heard his testimony more than a few times and this man is saved and he gave his testimony before baptism. I think, but am not for certain, he just wanted to be baptized in the Jordan because that's where John baptized people. I think he wants people to understand that he is serious about his conversion. Nothing wrong with that.

[Iollain]

Yeah, and Jesus was baptised in the Jordan.

[Sword-In-Hand]

What if as a new Christian, he gets out on stage and tells all the people how the father came to earth and died in his place? (I've seen this happen!)
...and then tells them all how they can have a wonderful life and new car just by saying a prayer... (I've seen this too.)







See, disciples need to be discipled, just as children need training before they they're allowed to venture into the World. He may be reading and delving into the Word, but he only recently announced his faith. Baptize the man and get him into study. Save the limelight for Christ.2 Tim 2:15



Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.






I'm tired of this subtle accusation when someone offers an admonishment or warning that another is 'judging'. The fact is, even if this guy WASN'T a superstar, I'd recommend the very same thing.

Rather than waiting for this new believer to 'slip and fall' we aught to seek that hebe immersed in the Word, as Paul told Timothy to be... For there are plenty of examples of superstars who became Christian for a time and then fell away. Like seed on rocky soil. The world and its riches is a very powerful lure for folks like these.

I recall a certain guy who was a 'Christian comedian' for years and who had all these great stories... he was paraded around and placed in the limelight, he sold tickets and albums.. only to get divorced three times and start his own strange church. Then there's Bob Dylan, who did a whole album on Christ, only now to be back in the secular world.

Christians were all excited about these guys and gave them the spotlight... but our faith isn't about the name recognition of some superstar, it's about the blood of Christ shed on Calvary.

Honestly, and its nothing against you Lockheed, but its discussions like these, that I really hope that non-believers never stumble upon, because what they see is that not even Christian people, who are supposed to be in support of Head, aren't giving him much support at all and instead just seem to be waiting for his downfall. Give the man a chance, don't condemn him before he's even been saved a month.

But anyway, I'm done with this, or its going to make me mad. I stand by the man's choice to accept Jesus, obviously, and I think him going out and telling what Jesus has done for him is awesome.

I mean he actually wants to tell people about Jesus. That's a rarity for Christians these days.

[Cright]

I think that sometimes we get so caught up in what someone "might" say wrong, that we often advise people not to talk.

When "baby" Christians are around they are usually ON FIRE for the Lord! They spread that back to the unsaved as well as the "old" Christians. Let them speak away! Us older Christians can correct or rebuke him (from the Word of course 2 Tim 2) him if he says something wrong, and in the mean time he'll reach alot more unsaved if the more he talks!

Have any of you tried to learn an instument? For an example a sax or a flute? Did your teachers make you learn the music first and the finger placement for each note before they'd let you blow into the instrument and actually make the music? Sure we get notes wrong here and there.. or maybe screech out an unplesent sound.. but we are making music from the beginning. The same that he will go out and proclaim the gospel and he might get a few minor details a little muttled.. but he's getting the message out there and learning by doing it.. next time he'll do better.. and the next time too..

quit worrying about the what if's!! You were new once to Christianity too... and I bet you talked more to unsaved then than maybe you do now?

Anyway.. I'm starting to ramble.. I'll get off my soap box! :preach:

:hug: ,
Carina

[SumTinWong]

Good points birthday lady!!!

I think there is a fear by some that many of these stars are just doing the popular thing and when the glitz is off they move on. Bob Dylan has been accused of this. I don't know if that is true or not.

I think as some have said we are going to be suprised who we find in heaven.

[ZiSunka]

I think there is a fear by some that many of these stars are just doing the popular thing and when the glitz is off they move on. Bob Dylan has been accused of this. I don't know if that is true or not.

About 5 or so years ago, Bob Dylan did an interview about his faith and he said, "It was just a phase I was going through. That's all over now. I just don't think that way anymore. "


I think as some have said we are going to be suprised who we find in heaven.

And who isn't in heaven, too. :(

[SumTinWong]

Thanks for the info on Dylan LL, I didn't know that.

[Lockheed]

Honestly, and its nothing against you Lockheed, but its discussions like these, that I really hope that non-believers never stumble upon, because what they see is that not even Christian people, who are supposed to be in support of Head, aren't giving him much support at all and instead just seem to be waiting for his downfall. Give the man a chance, don't condemn him before he's even been saved a month.

I hope non-believers do, then they'll see that we're not interested in 'marketing' Christ to them by any means possible but rather are diligent students of Christ and deadly serious about what we believe.


Non-believers hate our gimmicks, and proping up some former-pagan as a spotlight of "what Christ can do for you" might be seen that way.

But anyway, I'm done with this, or its going to make me mad. I stand by the man's choice to accept Jesus, obviously, and I think him going out and telling what Jesus has done for him is awesome.

Well, Scripture states that it is Christ who "seeks and saves the lost" meanwhile of men it is written, "no one seeks for God." A very important, humbling notion for this young man is that he realize that it is God who is in control and that his new-found faith is not of his making.

Yet, again, as I stated at the beginning of my posts, I think Scripture recommends that all new believers diligently study rather than seek positions in the limelight.

Also, can I ask, what do you mean "what God has done for him"? What is it exactly that "God has done" for him?



---

UncleBud,

Fortunately the "Christ is cool" movement died in the 80s I think, right about the time Dylan recanted.
Mat 13:22 "And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful."

[SumTinWong]

UncleBud,

Fortunately the "Christ is cool" movement died in the 80s I think, right about the time Dylan recanted.
Mat 13:22"And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful."


Hey buddy, good morning :)
I think that verse would describe a great many people nowdays. I think in the famous situation that the scripture it is easier for a camel fits just as well here.

[_sunshinegirl]

I am happy about this.
Extremely.
For all those who aren't ... HA.
:)

[ZiSunka]

Non-believers hate our gimmicks, and proping up some former-pagan as a spotlight of "what Christ can do for you" might be seen that way.

Perhaps it is better to just have preachers stand on street corners and yell at them. I mean, why have a happy positive role model when someone can scream at them with scary visions of hell. No pagan thinks of hell as a joke or anything.

[Lockheed]

Perhaps it is better to just have preachers stand on street corners and yell at them. I mean, why have a happy positive role model when someone can scream at them with scary visions of hell. No pagan thinks of hell as a joke or anything.

That's obviously not the answer... cars can't hear. ;)

Seriously, when I lived in NC there was a 'team' of guys on the street corner on a hot day yelling at cars... I say "cars" cause everyone had their windows up and air conditioners running at full blast, I wouldn't have noticed them except one person crossed the street at the light.

No... I don't think that 'having preachers stand on street corners and yell' is appropriate, but I think using the Scripture as our guide to evangelism we seek to engage our fellow citizens in discussion about the issues rather than attempt to charm them with moxie.

I'm an advertising manager at a medium-sized company. I know all about getting people to buy-into things. Using celebrities as spokesmen is a common tactic of marketing gurus. Yet "we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness"... this message of the cross is offensive to unbelievers cause it teaches that they're not good enough and that they need a Savior.

We're not talking about a "positive" message here, we're talking "believe in Christ or die in hell". We're talking the blood, gore and suffering of Christ. We're talking about the believer's own walk of suffering unto death. That's the truth of the matter, is it not? Should we dress it up in nice words and catch phrases as to limit the offensiveness of the message, even though it is that very message that God declares "is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes".

This message is diametrically opposed to the world's wisdom and likewise the world's methods. This is not a product we can sell, this is life to a dead world. We are to preach the Word, as Paul says we are to "beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God".

It seems to me that Christians want to play up this "come to Christ and get a great life" concept, as if Christ's one goal was to save you from boredom and financial problems rather than the impending wrath of God. The Gospel is not a Country Western Song Played Backwards ;).

Sure, sometimes faith in Christ does lead one out of addiction (as Brian Head, the Guitarist for Korn said in his message to a church), yet sometimes the desires remain and the life of faith is always a struggle. I hope, when the afterglow of conversion wears off, that there is a solid foundation of the Word of Christ built under him for him to lean on.

[Lockheed]

You can listen to Brian Welch's testimony here: mms://66.40.9.62/goodfight.org/msgs/brianwelchtestimony-1.wma

I'm worried for the guy, and praying for him.

[SonOfThunder]

the Bible is full of human traits, we are warned over and over of our failings i.e the money tables within the temple walls. Those who stand and pray out loud for man to approve, those who fast and do it to let others see how spiritual they are etc etc. God knows.

Lets please remember many many of the lost will read these threads.

Please also pray for these 'high profile' people who do convert, they need your continued prayers.

James

[P_G]

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[Lockheed]

That's a hat?! :o

[SonOfThunder]

That's a hat?! :o

looked like a paper mache volcano to me

[centuri0n]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the complaints here are all about. Is anyone honestly trying to say that because Lockheed thinks that a new Christian should not be thrust into the center stage that Lockheed is saying, "I think this guy is going to hell"?

Even Paul spent time in the wilderness after he was called as an apostle by Christ to become fully equipped by the Gospel. Why, exactly, should a meth addict who has recently reformed not follow that example rather than the example of the world?

[BBAS 64]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the complaints here are all about. Is anyone honestly trying to say that because Lockheed thinks that a new Christian should not be thrust into the center stage that Lockheed is saying, "I think this guy is going to hell"?

Even Paul spent time in the wilderness after he was called as an apostle by Christ to become fully equipped by the Gospel. Why, exactly, should a meth addict who has recently reformed not follow that example rather than the example of the world?

Good Day, Cent

Welcome to CF! :clap: I agree with you here all new "believers" must spend some time learning about and a firm understanding it used to be called "discipleship" and is lacking IMHO now a days.

Peace to u,

Bill

[P_G]

That's a hat?! :o

It is a tie dyed Kippot or Yarmulke I thought everyone had one of these! :D


Pastor George

[ZiSunka]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the complaints here are all about. Is anyone honestly trying to say that because Lockheed thinks that a new Christian should not be thrust into the center stage that Lockheed is saying, "I think this guy is going to hell"?

Even Paul spent time in the wilderness after he was called as an apostle by Christ to become fully equipped by the Gospel. Why, exactly, should a meth addict who has recently reformed not follow that example rather than the example of the world?

Yes, that is everyone's point, that a new Christian should NOT be thrust into the spotlight, but be allowed to become more mature in the faith before being asked to give testimony in public. That goes for all new Christians, not just the famous ones.

[Lockheed]

Amen, sis!

[Cright]

It is a tie dyed Kippot or Yarmulke I thought everyone had one of these! :D


Pastor George


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[Tenorvoice]

I found out back in early Feb. the Eddie Money came to the Lord recently too. He was on a plane ride and was siting next to Junior Hill up in first class, and neither of them had heard of the other. But before they had landed Junior had led him through the prayer of salvation using the Romas Road.

Yee Haw!!!!

[Melly Monster]

:amen: Praise God I love Korn and I want to see them in concert, but praise God for his soul, maybe he can reach the others in his band/old band, I don't care if I ever see them in concert I would rather see them all in heaven:).

[A1nitewolf]

another one for the kingdom ..... so whos next??????

[Lockheed]

Maybe Billy Graham? ;)