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Droobie
7th May 2002, 09:54 AM
Have you ever seen or experienced healing? Have you laid hands on someone and have had God work through you?

Project 86
7th May 2002, 11:44 AM
I was healed of terrible depression. No way to let you know how bad it was but think about this. Imagine thinking negative about everything, wanting to die everyday. Wanting to curse the world for the depression you have and to curse what people called god. Then one night I had a weird urge to pray to God. I asked him to forgive me of my sins and that I wanted to know more about him and to allow the Holy Spirit to dwell within me. Shortly after that prayer I went to bed and for the first time in over a year I had NO depression! After being on the right path 8 months later the depression never has shown it's ugly head again. It didn't take medicine, doctors or anything like that to heal me. Just God. Now if I could get my brother to see that. He's on medicine but that's not helping him. One thing he lacks is God in his life.

DeleseRose
7th May 2002, 11:36 PM
May GOD continue 2 bless u and Lord give him the right words 2 minister 2 his brother. :priest: :pray:

iLoveLife
13th May 2002, 04:50 AM
I have never been healed....And I really need to be. I have depression, and many other problems that will never end. My life is a never ending battle of stress, unhappines, and lonliness. I rarely ever associate with my friends anymore. It sucks. I wish something would help me change my life.

solo66 man
13th May 2002, 07:19 AM
I have read your signature. I see you dont believe Christianity is reality. You dont have a way out until you see, that God is the center of reality. What you are seeing as reality is only a facade. Simply a face on what is so much deeper. All around you are activities, spiritual
activity. There are whole dimensions of life we may never visit. Tear away the facade and lay bare the inner workings of the universe and beyond. God is the omnipotent,
omnipresent Spirit we believe He is. He is the Creator. Suddenly, all things are possible. Now, our realm of influence is expanded trillions of miles futher than depending on our own senses, abilities, and direction.
But now, unbelieveable things will happen. Wonderfully
amazing things begin to unfold before your very own eyes.
Suddenly, you realize, if you are devoted, unblievable things are happening. No wonder so many dont believe it. It is unbelieveable.

RayNay714
14th May 2002, 12:37 AM
I was healed of cancer!!!

6littleblessings
15th May 2002, 04:41 PM
I have seen and have experienced healing! God is SO wonderful! :)

owen_rocks
15th May 2002, 05:08 PM
The closest thing I would classify as a miraculous healing occured to me about 12 years ago. I had cancer that had spread to various parts of my body. The doctors operated and were able to "get" all the cancer. One of the doctors said it was a "miracle" that they were able to get it all.

12 years later I'm cancer free by God's mercy. In truth any time I'm healed of anything I count it a mercy from God, whether He uses medicine, doctors or some other means.

peace,
owen_rocks

Project 86
17th May 2002, 06:03 PM
Yes there are some obvious miracles that happen every day and then there are smaller ones that even Christians over look that are actually miracles by God.

Julie
22nd May 2002, 08:09 AM
I wish something would help me change my life.

Jesus Christ can! Ask me how.

Julie

Gunny
22nd May 2002, 09:37 AM
I have witnessed God's manifestation of healing through the mighty power of the Holy Spirit.
I was healed from alcoholic/pathological drinking on August 13, 1983. No desire, no craving, complete deliverence.
I have worked as a chemical dependency counselor both in secular and Christian enviroments since 1984. I have ministered to many, many individuals suffering from bondages to addictions be it to substances or behaviors.
Depression is sometimes healed instanly or over a period of time from God and His healing power.
God is sovereign in all things and He heals who He chooses and in the manner He chooses.
I am a Vietnam Vet and have worked with many Nam Vets over the years that suffer terribly from depression. Also, many of Vietnam Vets suffer from PTSD. Vets from WWII and the Korean War were told they suffered from shell shock and/or battle fatigue. I as many Vets deal with depression, PTSD(shell shock/battle fatigue) and physical ailments from being wounded in combat.

I rejoice in all things in spite of how I feel emotionally or physically for I know that someday I shall see my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ when my body dies.

Depression is very real and many of Gods great men(pastors & evangelists) of faith stuggled with depression throughout their lifes. I as a Christian have no qualms with an individual seeking treatment for depression if it is deemed necessary. I do not believe that lack of faith( as the health, wealth/prosperity gospel crowd does) is the cause of any affliction. I have known great men and women of faith contend with great affliction and still praise the Lord.

I pray for healing, I have witnessed and experienced instant healing but I have no issue with seeking the counsel of a physician(as scriptue suggests) if it is warranted.

In Christ
James

amie
26th May 2002, 01:54 AM
I was healed and given a second chance at life. I was 19, it was February 1,1991 and I never felt so alive in all my life...
Amie

KraKto$is8
27th May 2002, 11:24 AM
God can heal people if they have faith. Even if they don't have faith, if some1 else prays for them they will be healed.

Gunny
7th June 2002, 04:26 AM
Yep, the elder deacon said one day, God is God and He heals who He wants when He wants if He wants, and we are going to die, even if healed, just like old Laz.

GySgt
James

jimigold
23rd June 2002, 05:59 AM
yeah once we all prayed for a friends dog ,who had been diagnosed with cancer and was about to go under the knife, to be healed and guess what! When they opened him up there was no trace of there ever being cancer!
pretty cool eh :clap:

Also i was kinda 'healed' when i became a christian but it was more 'being prevented from being hurt'. I was hit by a car and well lets ust say all i got was a graze on my head. No broken bones or nething. it didn't even draw blood!

The car however had a dented bonnet and a smashed windscreen, but the driver didn't even show any anger towards me or anything, even though it was kinda my fault.

Praise God :bow: :clap: :pray:

mld3three
26th June 2002, 03:54 PM
God is in the process of healing me. It is something that has taken a while, and will take a while longer. Everytime I feal as if I do not belong, or that I am just a fifth wheel I just need to remember that God created me and He loves me. That is the only thing that stops the emotional downpoar with in my soal.

All I have to do is praise His name. That takes the focus off of me and puts it on him.

Praise Him :bow:

Jenna
5th July 2002, 11:16 PM
Well, I've never witnessed any type of miraculous healing or anything, but I completely believe that it is possible and has happened before.

I know that I am in need of healing. Maybe one day when I let go of my huge inferiority complex, I will be able to accpet the great things that God could heap on me if I were to just accept them. :) I hear people say all of the time that there is nothing too great for God to handle, but I almost never hear about us poor smucks who battle with feeling as though our problems are unimportant compared to the 'greater' plights of the unsaved, starving, diseased, etc. lol

arab4christ
18th November 2002, 03:19 AM
Yes I have been healed I pray everyone gets healed too !

God bless and thanx

a4c

Droobie
26th November 2002, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by gunnysgt
Yep, the elder deacon said one day, God is God and He heals who He wants when He wants if He wants, and we are going to die, even if healed, just like old Laz.

GySgt
James

So there is doubt as to whether God wants to heal?

life_boy
17th February 2003, 09:59 PM
Benny Hinn can do anything through the Lord who gives him strength!

healthwoman
23rd February 2003, 09:51 AM
I was healed years ago by God when I requested that a deacon in the church pray over me for a brown recluse spider bite. By the end of that day there was no evidence the bite was ever there! Also, I have been healed of arthritis. This occurred as I prayed with a TV evangelist believe it or not!

HesMyAll
23rd February 2003, 10:07 AM
I have had a few miraculous healings and a miraculous deliverance.  I was smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day and had tried so many times to quit and couldn't.  I went to the pastor for prayer and was completely set free from an addiction to nicotene.  I can honestly say that I have not had a craving for cigarettes since then.  God also healed me of asthma and one time I stepped in a hole.  When I did, my foot twisted up underneath me.  I heard a loud snap. :eek:   The pain was so bad that I couldn't walk.  Fortunately there was a set of crutches in the basement.  I had no medical insurance so couldn't get medical help.  I went to church on crutches.  The pastor layed hands on me and prayed for me.  Instantly the pain was gone and I could walk without the aid of crutches.  For as long as I live I'll never forget that moment!  I was utterly amazed even though I knew God could heal.  To receive such complete release from such agonizing pain was just astounding to me.

Yes; God does heal, I'm proof! :D

 

 

sunshine
23rd February 2003, 02:52 PM
I believe that God does heal. he healed me both physically and emotionally from a car accident about 4 years ago. he is healing a good friend of mine from many health ailments. he is also healing my dad from cancer. currently I'm praying for healing from my bitterness and depression....it's a long process, but I believe that God can heal me again.

MetalBlade
25th February 2003, 12:01 AM
I have been healed many times by the Lord. Whether it was the Lord himself or just regular healing, I don't really know. But I believe that the power of prayer helps!!!!!

357magnum
30th March 2003, 09:34 PM
My life has been spared twice by the power of prayer. I don't believe in the laying on of hands, but I do believe in the power of prayer. I also believe that God may give healing if he has further work or plans for you. I have heard many say that you are ill only because your faith in God is not strong enough. I don't believe this is Biblical. We all have illness, pain, and eventual physical death in this mortal body. This is the reason why Christians should "Keep Looking Up". Our perfect peace, joy, happiness, and health will be as a citizen of heaven after we leave these mortal bodies.

357magnum
30th March 2003, 09:52 PM
13th May 2002 at 03:50 AM iLoveLife said this in Post #4 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=168403#post168403)

I have never been healed....And I really need to be. I have depression, and many other problems that will never end. My life is a never ending battle of stress, unhappines, and lonliness. I rarely ever associate with my friends anymore. It sucks. I wish something would help me change my life.



One of the most positive and uplifting people I ever met was a young man dying with brain cancer. He lived 3 years longer than any of his doctors thought would be possible. He found his strength and happiness in God's Holy Word and by witnessing to young people. He died at the age of 22, but God allowed him to touch many lives first.

I think the peace you seek is in the Holy Bible. Helping others may be the best medicine for you. My young friend who died said he was going to have fun with every minute God gave him. He had fun in witnessing, and I'm positive God gave him joy in that work. I know this doesn't sound easy, but all things are possible with God.

healthwoman
4th April 2003, 10:07 AM
You don't have to have hands layed on you to be healed, but within each one of us God has put the energy to heal, so it helps. All healings are "of God" whether you believe in Him or not.
Linda

357magnum
4th April 2003, 05:59 PM
4th April 2003 at 08:07 AM healthwoman said this in Post #27 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=762509#post762509)

You don't have to have hands layed on you to be healed, but within each one of us God has put the energy to heal, so it helps. All healings are "of God" whether you believe in Him or not.
Linda



I hope you didn't misunderstand what I said. Jesus Christ is my personal Saviour, and I certainly believe that God does heal if it His will. I also believe that God gives doctors and nurses skill in treating the ill. I also strongly believe in the power of prayer.

Francie
4th April 2003, 11:44 PM
I watched God heal my son last year when he was in a car wreck and suffered a broken back in seven places, Brain hemorrage, lung injury. He was on a resperator . His neurosurgon told me that He had a bleed on his brain and that they expected that he would have swelling of the brain, that he could have permanent brain damage. As soon as people heard about my son s wreck people started prayer chains all over. He had to be air lifted to a trauma center , His injuries were severe and Drs were telling me to take it hour by hour. People flooded the phone lines at the waiting room asking what specific thing do we need to pray for now this minute . Well let me tell you His brain did not continue to swell. and one day his lungs filled with fluid the next day it was comepletely cleared. All the breaks were in an area not affecting his spine except for one compression fracture that was just a hars breath away from the spinal cord. I watched in amazement as God Healed Him ! even His DRs were Surprised. He had to wear a body brace for several months but has been released from his drs to return to work . Praise the Lord!

LastMaxim
11th April 2003, 10:52 PM
17th February 2003 at 08:59 PM life_boy said this in Post #20 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=659487#post659487)

Benny Hinn can do anything through the Lord who gives him strength!



...actually, it's something that is supposed to be able to be appropriated by all christians...

...my church has been doing alot of study in this area, recently...and we've seen some miraculous things begin to occur...healings included...it's absolutly awesome, though this word doesn't even begin to do the 'movement of God' justice...these gifts were never withdrawn from us,...instead it was us who withdrew from god, even to the point that many of the body of Christ stopped believing that these things were even possible! if we endeaver to get right with God, oursellves, it's amazing what He is able to accomplish through us...:bow: :clap: :clap:

...I know, cause I've seen it happen in myself and in others...

Konnie
17th April 2003, 05:15 PM
No - But I do believe it can happen.

bop1997
30th June 2003, 02:21 AM
I have never laid hands on someone and healed them, but I have witnessed it all in my church and all around. GOD healed my MOM form a 100lb tumor(SHE IS SOOO MUCH HEALITHER NOW), he healed my Pastor form blood clots in his body that toopk his ability to walk(HE IS RUNNING NOW! PRAISE GOD), and healed his wife of cancer(SHE ALMOST DIED)! These are just a few!

KJV_Cameron
7th July 2003, 11:17 PM
Yes, God can perform miracles, but in this dispensation does not use miracle workers (according to scripture).

So, yes that means I believe Benny Hinn and the like are frauds.

SUNSTONE
8th July 2003, 12:02 AM
Something really erks me when people talk bad about Benny. I don't know why.


I have personaly seen healings, done healings, and have recieved healings. Alot of them!
Check out answered prayers for some of them.

I will tell about this one, at my church. I didn't actually witness this one, but I think it fits right here.
This man had nerve damage, in his left hand. He couldn't feel anything. This totally threw off his cordination. He couldn't take his thumb and touch each of his fingers, unless he was looking at them.
He had this damage for a long time, due to a motorcycle wreck.

He had it prayed for, and nothing happened. So he was working on his bike one day. And he needed to hold this bolt with his left hand. He would look at his hand, and put the bolt into it. Well the bolt fell out. So he did it again, and again the bolt fell out of his hand.
He did this a few times, and by this time he was really worked up over it. Cussing up a storn and everything.

Now I am not sure what he said exactly, but he basicly yelled at his hand to be healed!
Well it worked, he realized that he had to really want it. So he commanded his hand to be healed, and it was.

After he told that experience, he turned away so he couldn't see his hand. He then touched each digit with his thumb. And shouted "If you don't believe that miracles and healings work, you can walk right out that door, and don't let it hit you on the....rump.Because I am walking,talking, shouting proof!" (he didn't say rump). :D

KJV_Cameron
8th July 2003, 12:30 AM
I don't contest that healings occur. God doesn't use >healers< ; someone else does. The Bible requirements for a miracle worker cannot be fulfilled in this age.

Swearing and cursing isn't exactly something God would be impressed with. What makes you think God healed him?

SUNSTONE
8th July 2003, 02:30 AM
What does that mean, that God doesn't use healers, that someone else does?

What are the requirements for a miracle worker?

He had nerve damage in his hand. This was a medical fact. For a long time, atleast many months it was damaged. All of a sudden in a blink of an eye, by coincedence that he spoke words referring to a healing over it, you think it wasn't a healing?

How does God heal now?
How does He work miracles now?

RevKidd
8th July 2003, 04:17 PM
Something really erks me when people talk bad about Benny. I don't know why.

You shouln't feel bad. In fact, you should stay away from anyone who associates themselves with the whole word-faith movement. They are teaching doctrinal heresy. And that's the bottom line. If you want proof, all you have to do is a word search on the internet, "Benny Hinn", and you will see and read and hear all the heretical comments that Benny Hinn has stated. And what you will find is recorded comments from Benny Hinn and many other's who associate with him and TBN.

Believe me, I would be the first person to back him up if he could provide evidence of his healings. In fact, and you may already know about this. Hank Hannegraf asked Benny to provide 5 healings that could be backed up by practicing clinical professionals. Benny delivered 5 accounts. All 5 were proven to be false healings by clinical practicing physicians. There is an account where a women is being healed on stage of cancer. He is saying something like, God is telling me that you are being healed right now, that the cancer is leaving and that you are going to live. She died 6 months later of cancer. But GOD TOLD HIM.

Please just because someone can fill a stadium, or gets a book published, or is on tv, does not make them spiritual superior to you or I.

I firmly believe that God can and does heal today. That "this dispensation" has nothing to do with it. Remember what Jesus said to those that asked for a sign? He called them a wicked and cursed Generation. Why? IMO it's because God does not want us coming to him because he heals, and performs miracles, rather he wants us coming to him because he saves us and delivers us from the eternal torment of hell. If I die, my miracle is going to be my new perfect body that will inhabit the eternal presence of Jesus Christ.

SUNSTONE
8th July 2003, 06:03 PM
I have only heard benny hinn once. It was a message on salvation. It was flawless, I didn't see anything wrong with it.

But thats all I have heard of him.

Hank Hanagraf bad mouths everyone. People like Joyce Myers. He looks for things to catch people on. He dissects there words, and even takes them out of context. You can do that with the bible, and even Jesus's words.


Benny Hinn is no more special than you or I. And I think he realizes this, because a friend went and saw him. As well as having the lines for healings, he got people in the audience to lay hands and to believe for healings, and miracles.

But like I said, I don't know Benny, and from what I gather, neither do you. This Hank guy spends all his time, bashing, and I never remember him praying for anyone! Has he ever led anyone to the Lord? Not on those shows, he hasn't.
Benny on the other hand, had alot of people come and except the Lord, during his alter call. Are they fakes?

imasharp
8th July 2003, 07:08 PM
I believe in healing and I also believe that God has vessels on this Earth that he uses. I also will say that there is NO ONE on the Earth that can do the healing. God is the healer. He does work thru us, as we are his hands, feet and mouthpiece. I don't know who is and who isn't a fraud, I am sure that there are both around. My husband and I went to see Benny Hinn in person and I did feel the spirit of God there. All I do know for sure, is that false prophets will pay and those that are heading God's word will have a beautiful crown.

SUNSTONE
8th July 2003, 07:23 PM
Thats why its called the gifts of the spirit.

KJV_Cameron
8th July 2003, 10:34 PM
(Excerpts from Dr. J. G. Williams "In Spirit And In Truth")

You may want to get your Bible, there are alot of references and I won't type all of the out, I will list references.

Mark 16:18 "...they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"

Acts 2:43

Acts 5:12-15 "And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people..."

The Gifts of Healing were a confirmation from God that the healer was indeed an apostle or indeed speaking new truth from God.

Mark 16:20 "And they went forth, adn preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen"

Acts 14:3

All who came to the apostles or Jesus himself were healed with A 100% SUCCESS RATE. There were no backfires, partial healings, or relapses.

Matt 12:15

Luke 6:19

The gift of healing was complete and guarunteed.

Mark 16:18 "...they shall lay hands on the sick, and they SHALL RECOVER"

A common excuse today for a failed healing is that the subject did not have enough faith. True, on some occasions, Jesus and the apostles did heal because of someone's faith (Mark 10:52).
But on other occasions, healings were done where no faith was demonstrated at all!
Mark 2:2-5. No mention is made of teh sick man's faith, but of the faith of his friends.

Acts 3:4-7 This man expected no healing, didn't ask for healing, but for alms. He was healed irrespective of his faith or even his expectation.

Mark 6:5-6. Here Jesus heals people, while marvelling at their UNBELIEF!

Healing was a sign associated with the nation of Israel, and had specific application to them. (Exodus 15:26)

Healing accompanied the Gospel of the Kingdom preached by Jesus. (Matt 4:17 & 23) When the Jews rejected the Kingdom offer, the associaed healings were phased out.

So Paul was given a new Gospel, the Gospel of the Grace of God. The gifts of healing only accompanied this gospel when Jews were present. (The Jews require a sign)

There is no doubt that the Apostle Paul had the apostolic gifts of healing, and used them frequently. However, there is clear evidence that towards teh end of his ministry he was no longer able to use this gift. This is perfectly consistent with the context of Scripture, as God turned his attention away from the Jews to the Gentiles. His written word was completed, and there was no longer any need to identify his apostles.

Paul could not heal himself: II Corinthians 12:7-9

Paul could not heal Epaphroditus: Phillipians 2:25-27

Paul could not heal Timothy: I Timothy 5:23

Paul could not heal Trophimus: II Timothy 4:20

DIVINE healing, however, is a clear biblical doctrine in any age. God can sovereignly heal in response to prayer at any time and place he chooses. This is an ENTIRELY different matter to the gifts of healing that involved a man miraculously healing someone by the power of God under certain, limited conditions. Don't confuse the two!

There were thtree major purposes of the signs and wonders used by teh Apostles.
1: To identify an apostle as being genuinely from God.

2: To convince unbeleiving Jews of some new truth

3: To confirm the word that was being preached. (Mark 16:20)

These signs have ceased because:

1: All the apostles died out

2: God has turned his attention from teh Jews to the Gentiles

3: There is no longer any new truth to confirm


So what of these miracles we see today?

Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and flase prophets, and shall shew many signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the VERY ELECT!" (Emphasis mine)

Notice also that many paces in Scripture there were signs and wonders done that WERE NOT of God. A good exaple is Jannes and Jambres, the wizards in Egypt before the exodus.

We do not require signs and wonders today. Healing is one of them.

There are many more verse, many more points I could use. But I hope that these have shown some of you something you haven't known before.

"blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." (John 20:29)

SUNSTONE
9th July 2003, 12:43 AM
Ok I have some work to do. I will dig in my new super deluxe turbo charged bible, and make an arguement, for my case. :)

KJV_Cameron
9th July 2003, 01:15 AM
That sounds like a... KJV! :D

SUNSTONE
9th July 2003, 02:57 AM
It has four versions all in one bible. KJV, AMP, NASB, NIV. All running side by side.
:)

KJV_Cameron
9th July 2003, 03:24 AM
Heh my Bible is as big as a Strong's Concordance (literally), you know, the type you don't carry on an airplane if you want it to take-off? ;) And it's only KJV! :D

Anyway, back to the discussion...

ceeg17
9th July 2003, 07:49 AM
"Is any sick amoung you? let him for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, annointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith SHALL save the sick, and the Lord SHALL raise him up, and if he hath committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5:14-15

My Gran was diagnosed with liver cancer late 2001. She was prayed over and annointed with oil in accordance with this verse, she had much faith.

In November 2002 she died, of the cancer.

Is God a liar???

"God forbid, yea let God be true and every man a liar..." Romans 3:4

I know that God is faithful, and he was no less faithful to my treasured Gran.
Healing was a sign to affirm God's new truth to the JEWS, who seek after A SIGN. WE do not need this sign because A: Gospel is being spread among primarily gentiles at this point in time and B: We have God's written Word which tells us everything we need to know, 2Timothy 3:16-17.

If you have an argument against this, I am most willing to listen, but only if you have proof from God's Word. Satan can and will perform many miracles Matthew 24:24, therefore doctrine cannot be based on personal experience but by what God has plainly told us in His Word.

Do Right!

~Ceeg

imasharp
9th July 2003, 10:27 AM
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. How can his healing just "poof" go away. He is just as strong in this day as he was in the days of the Bible. He also says that we can have the gifts of the spirit and one of those is healing. I believe he wants us to use these gifts. There are a lot of people in this day and age that need to see healing so that they will know that God is real and others just need the healing. God is real and He is here today also.

SUNSTONE
9th July 2003, 02:48 PM
"Is any sick amoung you? let him for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, annointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith SHALL save the sick, and the Lord SHALL raise him up, and if he hath committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5:14-15

My Gran was diagnosed with liver cancer late 2001. She was prayed over and annointed with oil in accordance with this verse, she had much faith.

In November 2002 she died, of the cancer.

Is God a liar???

"God forbid, yea let God be true and every man a liar..." Romans 3:4

I know that God is faithful, and he was no less faithful to my treasured Gran.
Healing was a sign to affirm God's new truth to the JEWS, who seek after A SIGN. WE do not need this sign because A: Gospel is being spread among primarily gentiles at this point in time and B: We have God's written Word which tells us everything we need to know, 2Timothy 3:16-17.

If you have an argument against this, I am most willing to listen, but only if you have proof from God's Word. Satan can and will perform many miracles Matthew 24:24, therefore doctrine cannot be based on personal experience but by what God has plainly told us in His Word.

Do Right!

~Ceeg

You just put a double standard up. You are taking your experience, and conforming the word to it. You laid hands, and such, and nothing happened. So you think, well it didn't happen so that part of the bible must not be true any longer, so lets conform this word to my experience.

The double standard is that you won't except anyone elses experience to be truely from God. But at the same time, you believe God can heal, but somewhere in your thinking, he rarely rarely does. But anyone who has healings, and mircles, well then it must have come from the devil??

Let me ask you this.
When you and your family get sick, do you go to God, with prayer, laying on of the hands, and oil? I am talking about little things, like colds, viruses, things that are not life threatening.
I seriously doubt it. Sure you will pray, and ask, but at the same time, you would be real surprised if a healing took place, and even further you are, or have reached for medicine or have made an oppontment with the doctor.
Do you know that that is called? Unbelief, lack of faith.

And that is most likely what happened with your aunt. Maybe her time was up. I doubt it.
You trust in man and science over and over, and then when they fail, and all hope seems gone, then you turn to God!?!?
If you don't see God doing the little things in your life, how in the world are you going to have confidence(faith) in the big things like cancer?

I believe there are four reasons why prayers are not answered.
1. It could be from sin.
2. It could be, that a persons time is up.
3. It could be a trial (temporary).
4. It could be from lack of faith.

If you never see any prayers answered, in healings, either your always fine, and never sick. Or there is something wrong with what you believe.

I'm on lunch break so I didn't have time to get into the word. And that is what I really need to do, because I believe it will benefit, you and I. I really need to get my verses down. :wave:

SUNSTONE
9th July 2003, 07:05 PM
Cameron


Mark 16:18 "...they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"

Acts 2:43


Reread Mark 16:14-?

Basicly it saying that Jesus came back and gave the apostles instructions.
"..Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to all of creaction.
....
These signs will accompany those who have believed:..cast out demons.....new languages.....lay hands on the sick and they shall recover."

Here it clearly says those that believe will do this. But then you goto acts 2:43, and it talks about how the Apostles were doing miracles.

You see, its talking about the signs of those who believe the good news. The Apostles(disciples at the time) were already doing might works in Jesus name, before Jesus went to the cross.

KJV_Cameron
9th July 2003, 09:20 PM
Sure. I have no problem with beleivers today doing these things if they can fulfill the biblical requirements. :)

SUNSTONE
10th July 2003, 12:34 AM
All who came to the apostles or Jesus himself were healed with A 100% SUCCESS RATE. There were no backfires, partial healings, or relapses.

Matt 12:15

Luke 6:19

The gift of healing was complete and guarunteed.

Mark 16:18 "...they shall lay hands on the sick, and they SHALL RECOVER"

A common excuse today for a failed healing is that the subject did not have enough faith. True, on some occasions, Jesus and the apostles did heal because of someone's faith (Mark 10:52).
But on other occasions, healings were done where no faith was demonstrated at all!
Mark 2:2-5. No mention is made of teh sick man's faith, but of the faith of his friends.

Acts 3:4-7 This man expected no healing, didn't ask for healing, but for alms. He was healed irrespective of his faith or even his expectation.

Mark 6:5-6. Here Jesus heals people, while marvelling at their UNBELIEF!




Mark 6 says that he could do no miracles. And he marveled at there unbelief.

Amp: And He was not able to do even one work of power there,except that He laid His hands on a few sickly people [and] cured them.

The man in acts that didn't ask for it, didn't need to. You see, he didn't have unbelief, like the one in Mark 6. Its like raising the dead, you don't have to worry about them, countering your faith. :)

The way it was explained to me, is faith is like a horse pulling a plow. And unbelief is like another horse tied to the same plow, going in the opposite direction.

This doctor, can say all he wants about faith not being the factor, the bible says otherwise.

James 1:5-8 Talks about those who lack wisdom, let them ask God, who gives "generously".Then goes on to say....
"But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind. For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord."

Then goto James 5. This is an awesome chapter, that helps guide you in the right ways to live, not everything, but good stuff.
Talking about not letting money corrupt you, and your attitudes, and such.
Then it talks about those that are sick, and how they should call the elders of the church.
"and the prayer offered in FAITH WILL RESTORE the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up , and if he has commited sins, they will be forgiven him."

This FAITH is the same as it is in chapter 1.

SUNSTONE
10th July 2003, 12:34 AM
Sure. I have no problem with beleivers today doing these things if they can fulfill the biblical requirements. :)

What are the biblical requirements?

ceeg17
10th July 2003, 11:48 PM
"Is any sick amoung you? let him for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, annointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith SHALL save the sick, and the Lord SHALL raise him up, and if he hath committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5:14-15

My Gran was diagnosed with liver cancer late 2001. She was prayed over and annointed with oil in accordance with this verse, she had much faith.

In November 2002 she died, of the cancer.

Is God a liar???

"God forbid, yea let God be true and every man a liar..." Romans 3:4

I know that God is faithful, and he was no less faithful to my treasured Gran.
Healing was a sign to affirm God's new truth to the JEWS, who seek after A SIGN. WE do not need this sign because A: Gospel is being spread among primarily gentiles at this point in time and B: We have God's written Word which tells us everything we need to know, 2Timothy 3:16-17.

If you have an argument against this, I am most willing to listen, but only if you have proof from God's Word. Satan can and will perform many miracles Matthew 24:24, therefore doctrine cannot be based on personal experience but by what God has plainly told us in His Word.

Do Right!

~Ceeg

SUNSTONE
11th July 2003, 12:42 AM
Your right, God isn't a liar. So who is? You basicly posted the same post, and didn't answer any of my questions. But I will explain to you Mathew 24:24

The key to this verse is Matthew 24:15.
"Therefore when you see the Abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet,...."

Jesus is talking in the future, at a much later date. A date that has not even come yet. Has there been a Abomination of Desolation? Nope.

In Matthew 24:21-24
"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved: but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him.
For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."

As you can see, you mis took that verse out of context. Jesus is obviosly talking about the great tribulation period.


Now please show me where it says in the bible, where the gifts have a certian time frame. As if they are no more.

Because Paul taught about the gifts of the spirit. And if they were only for the apostles, then why would he teach the other churchs?

Some of those gifts, are teaching, preaching, and other common things that you see today. If the higher gifts, like healings(not sure if that is higher or not), prophecy, and miracles are done away with(which there is no verse to back this up) then these gifts(teaching, preaching) are done away with also.

So who was a lier(according to the bible)? Not God, it was your aunts faith, or the person doing the praying.
Has your aunt ever have a healing of any kind? A cold? Anything?
If not, then how could she be so confident on a life threatening problem as cancer?


I hope this post doesn't sound harsh, its actually great news! You can't do anything about the past, but the present and future, you can.
What do you think?

ceeg17
11th July 2003, 06:14 AM
Okay, starters, it wasn't my Aunt, it was my Gran!:)

Next, it was not I that tried to heal my Gran, neither did I agree with it.Is that what you are referring to as a double standard?

Also, I was basing everything on SCRIPTURE, and just added my EXPERIENCE into the equation, seeing as some people take personal experience to be more of an authority than God's Word, hitting two birds with one stone...

I do accept peoples experiences, but I do not think they are from God when they do not line up with what He has said in His Bible.

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Hebrews 13:8

Biblically, the apostles only healed as a sign, to prove that what they were telling folks about salvation was from God, and not some heresey. Otherwise Y didn't Paul heal himself of his thorn in the flesh?!?!?

This is a very indepth study, and I certainly don't profess to know all the answers. Thankfully, God does, so if you study the HIs Holy preserved Word, and rightly divide, deeming only God to be true, and all men liarsa if they cross what He says, you'll find truth.

Jesus is Faithful and True, Trust HIm, not Experiences.

~Ceeg

KJV_Cameron
11th July 2003, 07:54 AM
Sorry about teh delay Sunstone. I'll get back to you very soon, quite busy at the moment.

Just quickly on your reply on Mt 24:24, yes it is in teh contex of the G Trib, but oit speaks in plural in a general sense. Yes, there wil be A false Christ then, but in speaking in a plural and general sense, it can apply elsewhere also.

SUNSTONE
11th July 2003, 08:14 PM
Okay, starters, it wasn't my Aunt, it was my Gran!:)

Next, it was not I that tried to heal my Gran, neither did I agree with it.Is that what you are referring to as a double standard?

Also, I was basing everything on SCRIPTURE, and just added my EXPERIENCE into the equation, seeing as some people take personal experience to be more of an authority than God's Word, hitting two birds with one stone...

I do accept peoples experiences, but I do not think they are from God when they do not line up with what He has said in His Bible.

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Hebrews 13:8

Biblically, the apostles only healed as a sign, to prove that what they were telling folks about salvation was from God, and not some heresey. Otherwise Y didn't Paul heal himself of his thorn in the flesh?!?!?

This is a very indepth study, and I certainly don't profess to know all the answers. Thankfully, God does, so if you study the HIs Holy preserved Word, and rightly divide, deeming only God to be true, and all men liarsa if they cross what He says, you'll find truth.

Jesus is Faithful and True, Trust HIm, not Experiences.

~Ceeg

The double standard, is you are allowing your experience but not mine.


But I am going to flip this back in your court the same way you threw it in mine.

-Show me in the bible where it says that the apostles could only do healings and miracles? (I can show you where Paul teachs the church{not the apostles} about the fruits of the spirit)

-Show me in the bible where it says that the gifts of the spirit are no longer available to us today.

Questions
1. Why did Paul teach the gifts of the spirit?
2. If the apostles were the only ones to use the gifts, then why did Jesus talk about the signs that would follow a believer(one of them being heal the sick)?
3. Why do you only agree with only some of the gifts of the spirit, and not the rest? (What I mean is, wouldn't all the gifts be done away with?)


Now please answer all of these questions and points,I usually keep bringing them up, untill there answered.

SUNSTONE
11th July 2003, 08:24 PM
Sorry about teh delay Sunstone. I'll get back to you very soon, quite busy at the moment.

Just quickly on your reply on Mt 24:24, yes it is in teh contex of the G Trib, but oit speaks in plural in a general sense. Yes, there wil be A false Christ then, but in speaking in a plural and general sense, it can apply elsewhere also.


You may think so, but the fact is, that the word of God has the Gifts of the Spirit.
Its backed up with the word in James. And no where does it say that the gifts are done away with.

Matthew 24:24 is talking about the tribulation only, in context with the rest of the bible. There is no doubt that Matt 24:24 is talking about the GT. and to see anything else into it, would require some scriptures.
But the truth is there are scriptures that clearly support the view of healings. And if you take a look at the poll results, those numbers are powerful.

wonder111
2nd August 2003, 01:36 PM
from personal experience, faith is the most important thing to have when healing. When you don't even have a shadow of a doubt; the power is overwhelming. Last week, I had an infection in my foot, and I am type 1 diabetic so I have to be extra careful. I prayed so sincerely for healing and had 100% faith that it would be healed, the next morning it had healed in the perfect shape of a heart and around it was an even larger heart. My whole family saw it and couln't believe it, even the "not quite believers"

a couple of times I've felt overwhelming compassion for someone in pain, and I strongly felt to lay my hands on them, I felt so much love and warmth from my hands. The person believed at that point that they had been healed or at least the pain was gone.

all things are possible with God!

BarbB
6th August 2003, 11:45 AM
Was healed of huge black bitterness upon the death of my beloved husband! A wonderful grief counselor at the Church of the Nazarene recommended that I offer it up to God as I couldn't bear it. I did and He took it all. Within a few weeks I could feel joy that I never felt before and soon I was saved. Thank you Jesus.

JesseB.
6th August 2003, 11:50 AM
I have not as of yet been healed by Christ's pow'r but I do believe it could happen anyday and anytime.

Karrinne
30th August 2003, 09:15 PM
I had tried for quite a long time to have a baby and went to church one Wed. evening and my friend dragged me up front and had the preacher and some ladies lay hands on and pray over me that I could have a baby. Within a month I was pregnant! And I had a second baby 15 months later. Not only was I healed, God is either generous or reallllllllllllllllllllllllllly funny!!!!!!!! I had been told by drs it would be very hard for me to get pregnant before this time. I had a third baby 2 years after the second too!!!! My friend was shocked, she said she just did it because she was tired of hearing me whine!!!
When my oldest daughter got married, our preacher told this story in church the next morning of how he officiated at the wedding of my "miracle baby."

Henaynei
8th September 2003, 08:54 PM
Have you ever seen or experienced healing? Have you laid hands on someone and have had God work through you?

Shalom,

I was paralized, 3 doctors said I had a 50% chance of walking *IF* I had surgery. I chose to not have surgery. G-d did raise me up and I walk, I work - May His Name be Praised!

I had lung cancer - they took out my entire right middle lobe. But I needed no chemo or further surgery and have been cancer free for 7 years. I will Bless His Name all my days!

May you serve Him in peace adn bring glory to His Name!
Henaynei:clap:

Snowy
10th September 2003, 10:15 AM
yes...I can handle things more strongly now that I am saved :)

GirlForChrist
10th September 2003, 08:54 PM
I love the Lord so much and have felt His presents in such a powerful way I accually cried tears of joy. I had a misscarriage a while back and he heeled me naturally I didn't even have to go to the doctor.

Kathy
13th September 2003, 05:58 PM
I have been healed by the Lord,of alcoholism...it's been 3 yrs now. Thank you Lord Praise GOD! http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gifhttp://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/bow.gif

A Taffer
6th October 2003, 11:09 PM
I have never personally seen someone healed I think. Maybe at church. Not sure. But I believe it can happen. I have read many stories on another internet forum (Rapture Ready) of people being healed. I think its great! :)

GirlForChrist
9th October 2003, 07:58 PM
i have experianced healing in some form. I was born prematurely and I wasn't supposed to live but an hour or two and I've made it through almost 18 years come November 11th

lostangel
12th October 2003, 02:56 PM
yes, I believe God heals!

oneshot012
16th October 2003, 12:11 AM
Healing definately happens God is the same today yestarday and forever and what he did 2000 years ago he can do today becasue we are one with him John 17:21-23

John 17
21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.

Also he gave us the same Holy Spirit he gave the apostles to distibute the gifts of healing and he said in John 14:12

John 14
12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

Right there since Christ is the word and the word was in the begging and it is
never changing miracles and healing canhappen and i ma living proof and so is my sisiter and my mother.

I personally had Bipolar II (rapid cycling). I was prayed over rededicasted my life stopped taking my meds went back to the doc and he says i have nothing now and he can't believe it because this condition is irreverisble you don't get ride of it you just stabilize it.

My sister not by blood but such close family i call her my sister she had CF (cystic Fibrosis sp?) well the doctors gave her 6 months to live and bame that was two years ago and by the way she had only 12% lung usage now she has over 50% and again that is impossible with CF.

My mom was about to die she had viral meningitis and bam my dad prayed and the next day she was cured and the doctors couldn't believe it.

I could go on and on about personal stories of healing and what not and i could talk to you about famous tent revivalist healers which you can't deny such as John G. Lake and the reasoon i use him is becausein the early 1900's his city Spokan washington was declared the healthiest city because of his healing homes. In 5 years he had over 100,000 miracles recorded not by ordinary people but by doctors. So to say that you don't believe in healings come to my church and see for real what the acts apostles did back in the 40-90 ad and see god manifest that same power of the same holy spirit in peple like you and me. Just becaue we have faith.

May God Bless you.

alonenomore2
17th October 2003, 08:15 PM
Right after I was saved (a few months),I lit the furnace in our home.There was an explosion and I was thrown across the room.I had metal frags in my face and eyes,my hair was burnt off and my skin was bright red.My wife started driving me to the hospital,30 miles away.I was a bloody mess and hurting really bad.Ijust kept saying,"thank you Jesus" or "bless you Jesus" over and over.
Halfway there I told my wife that the pain was gone.Other than the frags being pulled out,the doctors didn't have to do a thing.I was no longer burnt and there are no scars at all.He also delivered me from 26 years of drug and alcohol addiction.I believe.

yajyu
21st October 2003, 12:00 AM
I have seen some cool things, even the dead rasied. So you can say, "Yes, I do believe that GOD Can heal".

mesue
24th October 2003, 02:00 AM
As an RN I see a lot of cool things happen. The best is seeing prayers answered in a most profound way that you know only the hand of God could have worked that miracle.

gailmac
31st October 2003, 12:13 AM
I was healed of terrible depression. No way to let you know how bad it was but think about this. Imagine thinking negative about everything, wanting to die everyday. Wanting to curse the world for the depression you have and to curse what people called god. Then one night I had a weird urge to pray to God. I asked him to forgive me of my sins and that I wanted to know more about him and to allow the Holy Spirit to dwell within me. Shortly after that prayer I went to bed and for the first time in over a year I had NO depression! After being on the right path 8 months later the depression never has shown it's ugly head again. It didn't take medicine, doctors or anything like that to heal me. Just God. Now if I could get my brother to see that. He's on medicine but that's not helping him. One thing he lacks is God in his life.
I am a believer and God healed me of depression, but it was through medication. All of my Christian family layed hands on me in prayer and I appreciated that. But, it wasn't until I was put on God given meds, that saved my life. I look at it as a miracle too because it's never been like that for over 15 years since my medication.

gailmac
31st October 2003, 12:16 AM
I have never been healed....And I really need to be. I have depression, and many other problems that will never end. My life is a never ending battle of stress, unhappines, and lonliness. I rarely ever associate with my friends anymore. It sucks. I wish something would help me change my life.
Try lexapro (from your doctor) It has helped many many people. You have a chemical imbalance and there is hope for you. Also, eat healthy...avoid sugar and white flour...and exercise...vitamins are great too! And pray of course.

createdbyHim
31st October 2003, 12:20 AM
I suffered with a herniated disk in my neck and also carpal tunnel. I was in misery and living on LorTab 10 every 4 hours. One morning I realized this isn't how I wanted to live or the way the Lord wanted me to live. I quit taking pain pills and claimed healing in the name of Jesus! I have not taken any meds since that time! Praise the Lord. The pain and misery is gone!:wave:

gailmac
1st November 2003, 05:53 AM
I have seen some cool things, even the dead rasied. So you can say, "Yes, I do believe that GOD Can heal".
I am in the medical field, and I would love for you to give me the names of the dead raised...we are talking in the grave and then get up and walk. Not just in the hospital when they thought this person was dying. I used to work in ICU and I would see people come to near death where we would call a code blue, and the people had no blood pressure and appeared dead...but they either died or didn't. I've never seen someone who was pronounced dead... the corner comes for the body...but the deaad uncovered their own bag to pop out and start walking.

gailmac
1st November 2003, 05:56 AM
As an RN I see a lot of cool things happen. The best is seeing prayers answered in a most profound way that you know only the hand of God could have worked that miracle.
I am an RN too. I see "cool" things, but haven't seen legs grown that had been amputated, have you? I am not saying God doesn't do good and wonderful things, because I know He does. I just am not sure He is allowing us to see these unbelievable miracles today....saving them for later;)

gailmac
1st November 2003, 06:01 AM
Does deaf and blindness come from God?

HesMyAll
1st November 2003, 09:21 AM
Gailmac, I can assure you that God is still in the miracle working business today. We have a gentleman in our church who had had a massive heart attack. He was pronounced dead by a doctor after a team of medical personnel had worked on him to no avail. His wife came in and prayed for him using a blessed cloth. This man is now alive and well with no evidence of any heart problems. Just because you have never seen this happen doesn't mean that it doesn't. I have never seen a million dollars but that does not change the fact that a million dollars exists.

LastMaxim
1st November 2003, 10:32 AM
:sigh:...I was wondering when the 'nay-sayers' would find this post :(...

yajyu
1st November 2003, 02:17 PM
I am in the medical field, and I would love for you to give me the names of the dead raised...we are talking in the grave and then get up and walk. Not just in the hospital when they thought this person was dying. I used to work in ICU and I would see people come to near death where we would call a code blue, and the people had no blood pressure and appeared dead...but they either died or didn't. I've never seen someone who was pronounced dead... the corner comes for the body...but the deaad uncovered their own bag to pop out and start walking.

What i saw, was a guy dead for 3 days, or so. a bunch of people prayed, and the next thing you know he's trying to move. of corse he can't cause because all the blood has settled. so after about an hour or so, he was able to move and talk.

gailmac
1st November 2003, 06:07 PM
Gailmac, I can assure you that God is still in the miracle working business today. We have a gentleman in our church who had had a massive heart attack. He was pronounced dead by a doctor after a team of medical personnel had worked on him to no avail. His wife came in and prayed for him using a blessed cloth. This man is now alive and well with no evidence of any heart problems. Just because you have never seen this happen doesn't mean that it doesn't. I have never seen a million dollars but that does not change the fact that a million dollars exists.
Oh, I have seen people flat line when I worked in ICU, and you hear the family say they were dead, but CPR brought them back.

If this person was actually pronounced dead and about to be body bagged, but then unzipped it and got up and walked, I would love to see that report.

gailmac
1st November 2003, 06:10 PM
What i saw, was a guy dead for 3 days, or so. a bunch of people prayed, and the next thing you know he's trying to move. of corse he can't cause because all the blood has settled. so after about an hour or so, he was able to move and talk.
I am sorry, but a guy dead for 3 days?:confused: Please try to get the name so I can contact them. Do you realize how this would be the biggest news to ever hit planet earth? And, don't say that they wouldn't want to show it because of the non-christian media. This would still make headline news.

gailmac
1st November 2003, 07:02 PM
Why God may or may not heal today. This is a great resource. Many times people mistake healing for illness, when it may mean something else....check it out!

http://www.audiowebman.org/bbc/books/articles/faith_movement/healing_does_god_always_heal.htm

HesMyAll
1st November 2003, 07:10 PM
Oh, I have seen people flat line when I worked in ICU, and you hear the family say they were dead, but CPR brought them back.

If this person was actually pronounced dead and about to be body bagged, but then unzipped it and got up and walked, I would love to see that report. Would he have to dig his way out of his grave too? He was pronounced DEAD by an MD and remained that way for 20 minutes. They were waiting on the coroner to take him away.
BTW, as someone who is in the medical field, I'm sure you are aware of the legalities involved with patient confidentiality. Maybe these people prefer to remain anonymous for fear of negative reactions and unbelief.

gailmac
1st November 2003, 07:34 PM
"Is any sick amoung you? let him for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, annointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith SHALL save the sick, and the Lord SHALL raise him up, and if he hath committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5:14-15
~Ceeg

If you put James 5:14 into context, James directs those who are "sick" meaning weakened by their suffering (the antidote to the suffering caused by evil treatment)

cf> Pss 27:13,14:15,jon2:7; Phil 4:6; 1Pet 5:7

This verse is not speaking of the health and wealth gospel that you may be thinking of.

gailmac
1st November 2003, 07:42 PM
Cameron

Mark 16:18 "...they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"

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Why did you leave out the part in that verse that says you drink anything deadly. Why don't you try drinking the most deadly poison? Come on, do you think this verse pertains to today?:scratch:

gailmac
1st November 2003, 07:45 PM
"Is any sick amoung you? let him for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, annointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith SHALL save the sick, and the Lord SHALL raise him up, and if he hath committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5:14-15

My Gran was diagnosed with liver cancer late 2001. She was prayed over and annointed with oil in accordance with this verse, she had much faith.

In November 2002 she died, of the cancer.

Is God a liar???

"God forbid, yea let God be true and every man a liar..." Romans 3:4

I know that God is faithful, and he was no less faithful to my treasured Gran.
Healing was a sign to affirm God's new truth to the JEWS, who seek after A SIGN. WE do not need this sign because A: Gospel is being spread among primarily gentiles at this point in time and B: We have God's written Word which tells us everything we need to know, 2Timothy 3:16-17.

If you have an argument against this, I am most willing to listen, but only if you have proof from God's Word. Satan can and will perform many miracles Matthew 24:24, therefore doctrine cannot be based on personal experience but by what God has plainly told us in His Word.

Do Right!

~CeegSorry to hear about your Gran. When I saw you post the James verse, I am only speaking to those WoFers

gailmac
1st November 2003, 07:48 PM
Would he have to dig his way out of his grave too? He was pronounced DEAD by an MD and remained that way for 20 minutes. They were waiting on the coroner to take him away.
BTW, as someone who is in the medical field, I'm sure you are aware of the legalities involved with patient confidentiality. Maybe these people prefer to remain anonymous for fear of negative reactions and unbelief.
Hey, if I was pronounced dead for 20 minutes, and then came out of it, I would show my records to the world!

That's what I am saying: Let me talk to one person who is not afraid to show thier records. They can sign a release at the hospital, copy it and post it online for all to see.

You'd think there would be at least one of them...especially since Benny Hinn's crusades claim thousands of healings.

gailmac
1st November 2003, 07:54 PM
If Paul taught on the gifts of the Spirit, why could he not heal himself? Timothy? Why was there a need for Luke to be a Physician?

The_Saint
2nd November 2003, 10:02 PM
There was a girl with a broken arm and I inquired of her if she believed God could heal her. And she said, "Yes." Then I inquired of her if she believed that God could heal her through Jesus Christ. And she said, "Yes." Then I said, "In the name of Jesus of Nazareth, stretch forth your arm!" And she did and everyone in the room heard a popping sound and her arm was healed.

Another time, a woman got hit by a taxi cab and was instantly killed. The incident occured next to Charity Hospital in New Orleans, Louisiana and I happened to be caught in the traffic backup. So, I prayed to God in the name of Jesus to raise the woman from the dead. God must have heard me because as soon as I lifted my hand in a manner of raising her from the dead, God restored her soul to her body and she began to move.

So here are two examples of God's miraculous healing. Jesus said that the things He did were for us to do and even greater because He was to go to The Father in Heaven. So, when you believe the Word of God, all things are possible!

HesMyAll
3rd November 2003, 09:25 AM
Hey, if I was pronounced dead for 20 minutes, and then came out of it, I would show my records to the world!

That's what I am saying: Let me talk to one person who is not afraid to show thier records. They can sign a release at the hospital, copy it and post it online for all to see.

You'd think there would be at least one of them...especially since Benny Hinn's crusades claim thousands of healings.
Nobody in their right mind would want their medical records posted online for all to see. If you won't believe their testimony then there is no further need to try to convince you. You have an argument or an experience. These who have been mentioned have an experience and your argument can't change that.

Glorianna
30th March 2004, 06:57 PM
I've seen it happen. A group of us gathered together to pray for my youth pastor because his leg was broken and he couldn't walk on it. When we finished praying, he started walking around as though nothing had ever been wrong with his leg!

Chriswoods83
7th April 2004, 01:16 AM
I can just look at how God healed my broken heart and changed it. Thats heal enough for me.

The Sun
7th April 2004, 12:04 PM
I've never seen anyone healed, but I dont need to - I believe in God's power and so there wouldnt be any reason not to believe - of course he can, and does, heal people!

jeshohaia
14th April 2004, 06:18 PM
Hmmm...where do I start?
Lungs completly filled with blood, I stop breathing, somehow I lived? Doctors said it was a miracle and it took me forever to be able to breath again. But I still lived.

I tried to kill my self via alcohol. 2 full bottles of wine (merlot and a cabernet), 1/2 bottle of tequilla, bottle of kalua, 12 oz of brandy, and 4 beers. My blood alcohol level was so high that the paramedics had to air lift me to the hospital. No one thought I was going to make it. Really having a 2.1 blood alcohol level I should have died. But I didnt.

I tried to kill myself by overdosing with sleeping pills. 30 250 mg tabs of Soma (perscription mind you). Didnt die. Which it should have killed me out right.

The earliest was being struck in the temple with a baseball bat while umpiring a baseball game. (Not on purpose) My right optical nerve swelled to 4 times its normal size within minutes resulting in my loss of vision in my right eye. For weeks I was in and out of various brain doctors and surgeons. Optiscians and optical surgeons. All of them said that I needed to have my eye removed. The only cure to remove the swelling and the intense headaches that I suffered not to mention no depth perception. The day before I was to go in, I just prayed to G-D and almost instantaniously I could see. No blind spot. No loss of depth perception. I saw perfectly fine. The doctors all said it was nothing short of a miracle that it happened. I didnt even have residual affects from the injury. The only record is in my medical charts.

So I have proof. But no one really believes until it happens to them.

TheMainException
14th June 2004, 09:41 PM
I have been healed from some serious depressive episodes.

signwonder
9th July 2004, 04:20 AM
I have been healed in church, out of church , by being anoited with oil and alone with God quoting healing scriptures through faith. I have laid hands on people and saw them receiving thier healing including seeing deaf ears open. The facial expressions are so amazing to watch. The people really can't believe it themselves so I know that many of you that have yet to experience these things will find it hard to believe without experiencing it. Peter had to get out of the boat to experience a miracle! He had to trust God but when He did, he experience walking on water. Healing and miracles mostly come to those that are willing to trust God and His word.

What ever you believe right now is what is already happening in your life right now. Think about that!

Niko
9th July 2004, 08:32 AM
Healed spiritually, mentally, and physically, not all at the same time.

lilchristiangurl
10th July 2004, 03:50 PM
ive seen it on the show Its a Miracle

Krystina661
11th July 2004, 01:08 PM
My aunt was healed of ovarian cancer in the 70's. Back then, no one survived that. She was given only a short time to live but received a blessing from our church and the cancer disappeared.


I was also healed of something at 15 after receiving a blessing. I am truly thankful.

Philled-one
11th July 2004, 02:46 PM
Just this morning someont testified in church that she no longer neede two canes to walk with. She had been using at least one cane for the past ten years.

stillblessed
17th July 2004, 01:17 AM
no,but it's a coming,with faith believing and my brothers and sisters in christ,coming together in one mind and one accord,to lay hands on me,and rebuking satan in the name of jesus,that i will be healed of copd! GLORY TO HIS NAME

rhemarob
19th July 2004, 06:11 PM
My wife and I have both experienced healing, my wife was scheduled for surgery to remove a mass and was prayed for the day before the surgery, when the surgeons went in with the scope nothing was there, no mass, no surgery.

Jesus did it again!

DanielJamesSimon
20th July 2004, 10:49 AM
I've never seen it. I didn't vote, because it was neither of the top three choices, but I do believe that the recordings of healings in the Bible are absolutely accurate - more than just "nice stories". I just do not believe that it happens today. I believe God can do anything, but I just frankly don't think that things like laying on hands and so forth actually does anything - I believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit given to Paul and the Apostles after Jesus left the Earth were given directly to those people and are not in existence today, in humans.

I know I'm about to have everyone tell me that they've seen it themselves. Well, I do need to see it to believe it. I can honestly say I don't think the day will come that I will see somebody "healed" miraculously, like I've heard accounts of, but if it does, I'll believe it then.:)

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Dark_Adonis
20th July 2004, 11:03 AM
Have you ever seen or experienced healing? Have you laid hands on someone and have had God work through you? I've never witnessed it, nor have abandoned my skepticism of Televangelists, but its a wacky world so I don't really see any problem with it happening...

SaintGeorge
21st July 2004, 11:29 PM
God healed me when I was young. I now have full use of my hands.

just_dance
1st August 2004, 01:14 AM
Here is what happened to me...

my grandma is now in the hospital, but two nights before I knew something was wrong I could sense it, but I didn't know what it was. The next day, it was just in the background it was the calm before the storm. The very next day my grandma was in the hospital. That night I felt so guilty, because I knew, so I read the Bible a bit looking for advice. Finally, I sat up, and pictured myself with my grandma. All of a sudden I felt a jerk, and then I felt like I was there. I could hear the nurses talking in the hall the humm of the machiens.

Then I placed my hand on her and said "Lord I am your servant and you said "Ask it in my name and it shall be given. So grandma in Jesus name I command your body to heal. I command your body to heal in Jesus name." Then I felt the Lord's power so strongly in me, and it flowed out of my hand it to her.

After I opened my eyes, which were closed the whole time, and I was back in my bed and i climbed into bed. The next day, they said she was 95% better, and she could walk because when she went in she couldn't even walk she was so weak.

IcThUs316
14th August 2004, 12:24 AM
i used to suffer from a terrible depression from the age of 8 where my parents just couldn't believe how mad and cynical their son had become until they took me to a psychologist whereupon i was given medication. it worked. but if i ever missed a dose then i would have a extremely short temper and many times i had been locked in a room so that i couldn't hurt myself. I couldn't stand my complete and utter dependence on those drugs. I prayed every night that I would have a healing. Until one night I just didn't take my medication. The next day I felt a little bit of effects but nothing else. I havn't taken medication in 2 months and i went cold turkey, which they say is really dangerous if you don't temper off. But i'm fine now and off that medication

j3sus fr3ak 777
14th August 2004, 12:37 AM
I have been healed of asthma and of depression and loneliness. God is so stinkin' awesome.

faith by day
15th August 2004, 07:29 PM
Yes- i have seen it happen-

@ chruch camp the directors back was hurting the the prayer lady prayed with him, and his pain was gone!

Healing helps me believe in the Lord a whole bunch more!

The "J"
2nd September 2004, 12:21 AM
I'm not so sure miraculous healing such as seen in the Bible still occur.

Moros
3rd September 2004, 02:25 AM
Not personally.

brinny
23rd September 2004, 01:25 AM
I have been healed on several occasions. Once I almost died from a bacterial pneumonia...the doctors misdiagnosed me and I should've had penicillin but I didn't. I had lost weight and I had a high fever. Then God healed me. There were other times when I was ill and He healed me. He is more than able.

Praise His name!

indeep
24th September 2004, 08:07 AM
I used to suffer from incredibly agonising knee pain, that went on for five years... then one day my friends prayed over me, and I was healed. :)

New to the Spirit
24th September 2004, 11:11 AM
Yes, I was healed two years ago. I had a congenital brain aneurysm that bled big time into my brain, and in my case it came close to being fatal. My skin was gray the color of death and friends were making plans for a wake for me. At this time my wife and family laid hands on me and asked the Lord Jesus to heal me, and many Christians prayed for me. It wasn't quick but I did recover and not only did I live but I didn't get the terrible side effects so common with this illness. I thank my doctors but more I thank our awesome God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well, I didn't deserve this healing. I had been once close to the Lord, but in the months prior to this illness I had gone down the wrong road. I think I was healed so I wouldn't die without the Lord.
Now I try to slightly justify my being here by ministering to some others who are also very ill, specifically to ask Jesus to heal them as I was healed. I lay hands on people when I can and I pray online for them if that is the easiest way to get to them.
I am not allowed to accept any thanks from them, because all I do is ask. The thanks and the glory all belong to our Holy Lord. I will tell them that they must have some faith to be healed, not a great deal, but SOME. It is true. The Lord has healed many of those I have prayed for. Illnesses disappear, new treatments suddenly arrive, "mistakes" were made and illnesses were really not there in the first place. All these things supposedly happen, but all we care about is that the Lord is merciful!
Thanks to our wonderful God! Thanks to the Christ! Thanks to the Spirit!

yashuaskid
24th September 2004, 11:29 AM
:clap: I was healed of severe back pain that kept me from holding my toddler. After I was completely healed...I was asked to lay hands on another person for healing of their back. It was an awesome experience! Praise God...Where there was pain...there is no more!

okiemommy26
26th September 2004, 03:09 PM
I have seen it done

Neal
6th October 2004, 04:31 PM
Actual healing? Never seen or done it. I try to stay away from that kind of thing, actually, because I do feel humans will, by nature, get caught up in emotionalism and even pride. Well... they can, anyway.

HesMyAll
6th October 2004, 07:16 PM
Actual healing? Never seen or done it. I try to stay away from that kind of thing, actually, because I do feel humans will, by nature, get caught up in emotionalism and even pride. Well... they can, anyway.
As long as people are giving God all the glory, they won't get caught up in pride. As for emotionalism...its hard not to get emotional when God gives you a miracle. If you are unable to walk and are on crutches, and instantaneously you are healed, free of pain, and able to walk again, how could you not get emotional?

GodFlute2
15th December 2004, 06:22 PM
I have seen God heal MANY times.

Godslilgurlalways
8th April 2006, 05:35 PM
I didn't choose b/c for me it was two of them I have both seen it and experienced it. Seen it many times:)

handmaiden97
8th April 2006, 10:32 PM
God word says He is our healer, I know that to be true! I have expereince healing in my life (nothing amazing) but I do know a woman who was rasied from the dead and have seen some pretty big, amazing miracles!!!! I have prayed over folks for little stuff like headaches and such and seen them healed by Jesus. It was cool cause I did not have much faith in my praying but God did it anyway!!!

Angeldove97
8th April 2006, 11:26 PM
Yes - I have been healed before!

Lake
9th April 2006, 04:07 PM
some of these responses.^_^ ^_^
It can happen.I believe.

gal4God
9th April 2006, 05:37 PM
No - But I do believe it can happen.

brokenbeliever
29th April 2006, 09:00 PM
I was healed of terrible depression. No way to let you know how bad it was but think about this. Imagine thinking negative about everything, wanting to die everyday. Wanting to curse the world for the depression you have and to curse what people called god. Then one night I had a weird urge to pray to God. I asked him to forgive me of my sins and that I wanted to know more about him and to allow the Holy Spirit to dwell within me. Shortly after that prayer I went to bed and for the first time in over a year I had NO depression! After being on the right path 8 months later the depression never has shown it's ugly head again. It didn't take medicine, doctors or anything like that to heal me. Just God. Now if I could get my brother to see that. He's on medicine but that's not helping him. One thing he lacks is God in his life.
i have also been healed of depression and anxiety. mine also involved a lot of repentance. however mine was more gradual.

blakey
2nd May 2006, 04:24 AM
God heals through prayer.

Myself and a few friends prayed for someone who had a bad back. By the time we finished prayer the pain had gone.

Are God is an awsome God!

justnw3
5th May 2006, 06:35 PM
One time....Our youth group's Worship Leader had come down with a sudden illness:sick: and the doctors had no clue what it was... He had been in the hospital for a few days and some friends of ours from Jamaica were like, man, lets go see him and pray over him..
Well, the jamaican's grabbed their guitars too and we went into a hospital room and were singing praises and worshipping God. Then we :groupray: prayed for like 20 minutes over Lewis (the worship leader).. The singing was so loud that doctors and nurses came to the room...The funny thing was that they actually liked the music and rather than kicking us out, they asked us to sing songs for them!
Well anyways..back to the story... Lewis said, i feel a lot better:thumbsup: ..at first we figured he was just saying it so he could leave because he had been cooped up in the tiny room forever! But it was true, he had been healed..the doc released him a little over an hour after we had left..:clap:
It was amazing...from being sick to his stomach he was fine and back to being himself again after and hour of praise and worship and 20 minutes of prayer.. :crossrc:
I found it to be very moving and something that i will remember FOREVER!!

Love In Christ,
--Justin--

AnimalMother
21st March 2008, 01:48 PM
never seen it.