Why I believe Believers should be taught Torah

[ShirChadash]

Here is the crux of why I think Believers ought to be told about Torah-obedience, be taught to follow Torah (as they are open to growing in this area), and be encouraged and supported in their endeavors to follow Torah as they are personally led to embrace and learn more, over time, as the faith-walk of righteousness in Y'shua:

CJB
Matthew 28:

16 So the eleven talmidim went to the hill in the Galil where Yeshua had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they prostrated themselves before him; but some hesitated. 18 Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age."


1) Because I understand Torah to be instructions from G-d, teachings on how to live as children of G-d in a saved and obedient relationship with G-d (Savior + Lord), and

2) because I understand the WORD of G-d which delivered/spoke these instructions directly to Moshe to speak to the people and to write down to be the very WORD of G-d that is Y'shua, the Memra...

3) and because these are the commands that Y'shua gave in the "Old" testament and also clarified some of in the "New" testament

4) I understand that Torah commands are exactly the commands Y'shua gave, instructed, told His followers to live in accordance with and I believe it to be the very walk of righteousness *that Y'shua commanded His talmidim to go forth and teach people to obey and to walk "the way" of. I believe it is the "narrow path" that many are called to embrace and few actually do because it requires the fruit of the Spirit known as self-discipline, one of the most difficult to cultivate (remember the teaching on taming the tongue?)

* walk of righteousness -- the intended path of life and instruction for living provided by G-d for those who are already in a saved- AND obedient relationship with Him, that we may have life and have it in abundance.

[MyZz]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Zemirah again.
GRRRRR! still cant rep anyone..as can be seen

[Bon]

In agreeance with you Zemirah :)

Now why doesn't everyone understand it to be so?

I am having a frustrated moment! (I just read about Zayits friend and I am feeling sad. :cry:

I have heard some come up with the idea that it wasnt until the death of Yahshua that the Law was nullified (on the cross).

What a lame excuse!

Basically, this tells me that many people place a greater importance on the words of those who followed Yahshua, than on the words of Yahshua Himself.

Even then, the words of the Apostles who followed have been misinterpreted.

And the teachings of the Church Father's?.....well I had better not go there, while I am in this frame of mind.

My apologies....

Shalom from Bon

[ShirChadash]

Shalom Bon... I just read about Zayit's sad news and I was too sad to even post anything on that thread. :( I will in a bit when I can bring myself to.

But, I wanted to say I understand what you're expressing. I decided a long while back on my journey to simply read the words directly attributed to Y'shua... and to read them without saying to myself, "OH, yes, I recognize this passage... it says and means... (XYZ,ABC ______________________ fill in the blank etc.) -- because I used to do that often... I would recognize the passage and then end up rushing on through it because I figured I knew what it said...

Anyway, it blew me away to read the Gospels and see how much time Y'shua devoted to teaching Torah, interpreting and expounding Torah, instructing His followers to embrace and obey and teach Torah to others... He spent so much time ratifying Torah -- giving it weight and validity and increasing it, not decreasing or detracting from it at all... and I asked myself why He would waste so much time doing that if He was about to "obey-it-so-we-don't-have-to" and make it so the "Law" was nullified after His death.

Off to post my regrets to Dear Zayit.

[MyLittleWonders]

In agreeance with you Zemirah :)

Now why doesn't everyone understand it to be so?

I am having a frustrated moment! (I just read about Zayits friend and I am feeling sad. :cry:

I have heard some come up with the idea that it wasnt until the death of Yahshua that the Law was nullified (on the cross).

What a lame excuse!

Basically, this tells me that many people place a greater importance on the words of those who followed Yahshua, than on the words of Yahshua Himself.

Even then, the words of the Apostles who followed have been misinterpreted.

And the teachings of the Church Father's?.....well I had better not go there, while I am in this frame of mind.

My apologies....

Shalom from Bon

:amen: :thumbsup: :amen: :thumbsup: :amen:

[plum]

Thank you for saying it so simply, Zemirah! My sister :hug: you are a blessing.

[Beth-el girl]

Here is the crux of why I think Believers ought to be told about Torah-obedience, be taught to follow Torah (as they are open to growing in this area), and be encouraged and supported in their endeavors to follow Torah as they are personally led to embrace and learn more, over time, as the faith-walk of righteousness in Y'shua:

CJB
Matthew 28:

16 So the eleven talmidim went to the hill in the Galil where Yeshua had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they prostrated themselves before him; but some hesitated. 18 Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age."


1) Because I understand Torah to be instructions from G-d, teachings on how to live as children of G-d in a saved and obedient relationship with G-d (Savior + Lord), and

2) because I understand the WORD of G-d which delivered/spoke these instructions directly to Moshe to speak to the people and to write down to be the very WORD of G-d that is Y'shua, the Memra...

3) and because these are the commands that Y'shua gave in the "Old" testament and also clarified some of in the "New" testament

4) I understand that Torah commands are exactly the commands Y'shua gave, instructed, told His followers to live in accordance with and I believe it to be the very walk of righteousness *that Y'shua commanded His talmidim to go forth and teach people to obey and to walk "the way" of. I believe it is the "narrow path" that many are called to embrace and few actually do because it requires the fruit of the Spirit known as self-discipline, one of the most difficult to cultivate (remember the teaching on taming the tongue?)

* walk of righteousness -- the intended path of life and instruction for living provided by G-d for those who are already in a saved- AND obedient relationship with Him, that we may have life and have it in abundance.




You study these things and once you understand the truth of following what HE commands you want to shout it out to others. Also you want to ask how people think they're on the narrow path when so much of what people believe is Far from what the Lord teaches. But there again he himelf says these people worship with their lips but their hearts are far from me.
I don't think anyone thinks their hearts are but the bible says they love lies.

[yod]

"All things I have commanded you" is probably a lot more than just the observance of
torah....more likely it was a revelation of how He interpreted the instruction (torah) by the Spirit.

All believers should study the Torah because it is the very foundation of our faith. Without a basic knowledge of this foundation one "could" have an incorrect understanding the New Covenant....just as not knowing the New Covenant "could" give one a bad understanding of the purpose of the law.

It's like a movie where the jews watch the first half and leave at intermission, then christians come in and watch the end of it

Only someone who sees the whole thing can understand completely.

[visionary]

"All things I have commanded you" is probably a lot more than just the observance of
torah....more likely it was a revelation of how He interpreted the instruction (torah) by the Spirit.

All believers should study the Torah because it is the very foundation of our faith. Without a basic knowledge of this foundation one "could" have an incorrect understanding the New Covenant....just as not knowing the New Covenant "could" give one a bad understanding of the purpose of the law.

It's like a movie where the jews watch the first half and leave at intermission, then christians come in and watch the end of it

Only someone who sees the whole thing can understand completely.
Especially if that someone is sitting by the author and director of the movie and getting the background information as to why it was played out the way that He did.

[ShirChadash]

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