Arab agenda

[rooster]

(March 31, 1977), Zahir Muhsein, a member of the PLO's executive committee, explained the Arab world's plan for the Palestinians, in a remarkably candid interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism . . . For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

[ShirChadash]

Could we have a link for the article, please, or wherever you found it, rooster? Thankie!

[Toney]

So Golda Meir was right, "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people."

It should be highlighted that the above interview dates from 1977 when this issue was less confused. Regardless, thank you Rooster for giving it a bump.

[simchat_torah]

Goal of the Palestinians? kill all Jews/Israelis.

*sigh*

[rooster]

I got it off from here:

http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/neareast/ne16a.html

If anybody could read dutch then maybe you could search the archive here

http://www.trouw.nl/

tried to verify it myself and came up with corresponding qoutations elsewhere

http://www.think-israel.org/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/715735/posts

[oldrooster]

There has been no Palistinian people since 1948.

[Henaynei]

There has been no Palistinian people since 1948.not *quite* right -----;)

There has never been any group or people known as Palestinian UNTIL 1968. There were the Arabs in Palestine, the Jews in Palestine - but there were none who were called, nor called themselves, Palestinians - until Arafat did it in 1968.

[Flavius]

The concept of a Palistinian people is that Arabs from Egypt and Babylon were placed in the houses of the House of Israel in 722 bc by the king of Assyria.These arabs represent the flesh.The northern kingdom was takin away and Arabs came and occupied their houses being grafted into the northern kingdom.They asked to be taught the religion of Israel because famine came on the land.
One priest was returned to teach them the pagan practices that got Ephraim{northern kingdom} in trouble. These Arabs called themselves Israel when it benifitted them but if a king came against Judah they would say.We are not Israel we were planted here by the king of Assyria.
In the days of Zerubabel these people came up and tried to help build the temple saying that they are part of Israel also but they weren't allowed.

The concept about a Palistinian state is that Arabs were grafted by the flesh and still are there today symbolicaly occupying the Northern kingdom claiming to be the seed of Abraham.But the concept is about the flesh and the spirit.
Palistine is owned by the 2 sons of Joseph who were grafted into the sons of Jacob and called the children of Rachel. The first son Mannasse represents the flesh and Ephraim represents the spirit.

Nobody can deny that Arabs were grafted into the houses of the Northern Kingdom and that these Arabs also took on the same charachteristics of the now 10 lost tribes.

When Yeshuah came,he called gentiles to be grafted into this same kingdom also but he didn't cause us to occuppy the northern kingdom by flesh but by spirit.

The house of Joseph owns Palistine and the northern kingdom.
The house of Joseph has 3 players.

Psalms 80-
Give ear oh shephard of Israel that leadest Joseph like a flock;Thou that dwellest between the cherubims,Shine forth,Before Ephraim and Benjamin and Mannasseh stir up thy strength and come and save us.

Jerusalem is in the land of Benjamin.Most people will tell you that Benjamin can be found only in Judah but we can see by this scripture that Benjamin belongs to both kindgom and is the reason David built his city in the land of Benjamin because Benjamin can be found in both kingdoms.

Benjamin is the beloved of the lord who rest between his fathers bussom.

The house of Joseph is the flesh of Mannasseh,the spirit of Ephraim and the life of Benjamin.
If a Palistinian Arab became a christian he would occuppy Palistine by the flesh and the spirit and if this same Arab got really serious and sought after G-d with all his heart,all his mind and all his sould,this Arab could become Benjamin the true owner of Jerusalem by the spirit.

The house of Israel called Ephraim the northern kingdom and now known as the ten lost tribes are not of the house of Judah but Judah has the same concept working.

The house of Judah are there today by flesh and strive with Palistine.
There are Jews there that don't accept the truth but there are jews all over the world that do accept Yeshuah.These Jews occuppy Judea also.They might not live there but they certainly have an inheritance there.
Just like the house of Israel some Jews will succeed further and become Benjamin and have rightfull claim to the spiritual Jerusalem.

The fight isn't really about the physical Jerusalem is it?

[Henaynei]

HUH???? :scratch:

[Flavius]

HUH???? :scratch:
In order to become the people of Israel and the people of the G-d of Israel,you must be grafted into Israel.If so then what tribe are you called of?
In the end there will be a great city coming down from Heaven 12 stories high and each floor called by the names of the 12 tribes.If you live in this city,what tribe will you be called by? What floor will you live on?

Romans 9 explains that gentiles are grafted into the house of Israel and called Ephraim, The Northern Kingdom.

Romans explains quoting the verses of Hosea as Hosea spoke to Ephraim.
Not my people become my people.The northern kingdom were completely cast off but G-d would take gentiles and plant them in his own house and call them Ephraim spiritually.The ten lost are now found.

The flesh always comes first.The flesh always have the same characteristics. He is Cain,Ham,Esau,Ishmael.The first born was givin a chance as it pertains to the flesh because in 722 bc the descendents of Ham esau and Ishmael were planted into the house of Israel.But the flesh is always the same.they think by the flesh and live by the flesh.

But when Yeshuah came he didn't call the flesh.He called the spirit.

That's why Romans quotes Hosea speaking of the future Ephraim.

Palistine in 722 bc was seeded by the first graft of the first born {mannasseh}.

Palistine in Yeshuah's day was seeded by the second graft of the second born{Ephraim}

The thousands of Mannessah and the ten thousands of Ephraim.

Unto Joseph was born two sons before the famine came wich Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On bare unto him.

Mannasseh devours Ephraim and Ephraim devours Mannasseh and both are against Judah.

But one day G-d will take the stick of Ephraim and make it one with the stick of Judah.

[Henaynei]

That is what I thought - "two house" aka Ephriamite

[Flavius]

That is what I thought - "two house" aka Ephriamite
I wasn't sure what you meant by Aka Ephraimite? Are calling me an Ephraimite or were you making a point about what I said.

I have heard people talk about a two house theory and heard about British Israelism where supposedly that g-d will bring the lost ten tribes again to Israel by the blood.But If G-d finds the ten lost tribes I don't see where that gives me a way to be called Israel.

But there are two Houses and have been for over 3000 years.
There were 19 kings of Judah and their capital is Jerusalem
There were 19 kings of Israel from nine diffrent families of Ephraim.
Judah built there Temple in Jerusalem
Israel built the high places at Bethel and Dan and their Temple at Shechem
2 kingdoms,2 houses
Ephraim,Judah

[nicodemus]

Goal of the Palestinians? kill all Jews/Israelis.

*sigh*

Is that a quote or your statement? Either way its completely inaccurate. What about the tens of thousands of Arab Christians in Israel/Palestine that just want a Christian presence in the Holy Land and have been there for thousands of years? I'm not an Arab, but I have the Palestinian flag on my ID to show solidarity with the Arab Christians of Israel and to raise awareness of thier plight that they live an incredibly difficult life because they are often lumped in as jihadis by Israelis and aren't fully trusted by Arab Muslims. Talk about a rock and a hard place!

[ShirChadash]

not *quite* right -----;)

There has never been any group or people known as Palestinian UNTIL 1968. There were the Arabs in Palestine, the Jews in Palestine - but there were none who were called, nor called themselves, Palestinians - until Arafat did it in 1968.
And Arafat himself is Egyptian-born, no?

[rooster]

And Arafat himself is Egyptian-born, no?

Egyptian born(born in cairo) and a distant relation to the grand mufti of Jerusalem(The guy with whom Hilter was pretty chummy with).
Also served in the egyptian army and studied at Cairo University.

[Henaynei]

Egyptian born(born in cairo) and a distant relation to the grand mufti of Jerusalem(The guy with whom Hilter was pretty chummy with).
Also served in the egyptian army and studied at Cairo University.
Yes, he came to Israel and started his reign of terror and teaching hate after Jordan threw him and his supporters out of Jordan for trying to overthrow the government.

So, he moved to Israel where he figured, and correctly so, that the Arab world would not oppose him because they would not want to be seen as being on the side of Israel against a fellow arab no matter how despicable he and his army of thugs and terrorists became. Here he can pursue his vision of running his own country and he has used the quran and the political asperations of Islamic leadership to corrupt and infect generations of Israeli arabs with extremist hatred.

[Henaynei]

Is that a quote or your statement? Either way its completely inaccurate. What about the tens of thousands of Arab Christians in Israel/Palestine that just want a Christian presence in the Holy Land and have been there for thousands of years? I'm not an Arab, but I have the Palestinian flag on my ID to show solidarity with the Arab Christians of Israel and to raise awareness of thier plight that they live an incredibly difficult life because they are often lumped in as jihadis by Israelis and aren't fully trusted by Arab Muslims. Talk about a rock and a hard place!
Yes, that are many righteous Arab Christians and their plight is heart breaking :cry: :pray:

There are many more Arab Christians who hate the Israelis and agree with Arafat that the true goal is to remove all Jews from the Land - even several highly placed Arab bishops. Numerous homicide bombers have been Arab Christians - some forced, some not.

[nicodemus]

I don't condone anyone that suicide bombs...it is one of the most deplorable sins to take another's life, but it has to be hard to not hate a government that is bulldozing your home and prevents you to travel freely within your own country.

The whole situation is messy. Both sides need to be more flexible. All I can do is pray that the violence ceases and that everyone can live together peacefully.

[Henaynei]

hmmmmm - which came first - chicken.....egg......egg.....chicken....... there is an answer.....

you may find part of it here:
http://conceptwizard.com/pipeline_of_hatred.html

[nicodemus]

hmmmmm - which came first - chicken.....egg......egg.....chicken....... there is an answer..... exactly. nobody can say with certainty. the only thing that can be said is that Arafat and Sharon are both hotheads.

also, i forgot to mention in my earlier post that i've never heard of a Christian suicide bomber, and I follow events over there pretty closely.

[Henaynei]

There is an answer -- you may find part of it here:
http://conceptwizard.com/pipeline_of_hatred.html (http://conceptwizard.com/pipeline_of_hatred.html)

[Toney]

also, i forgot to mention in my earlier post that i've never heard of a Christian suicide bomber, and I follow events over there pretty closely.

Then you are probably aware of the Orthodox priest fired for supporting Christian involvement in Palestinian violence against Israel.

Here is an article from Arabic News. (http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020713/2002071311.html)

[Henaynei]

todah Toney ......

[nicodemus]

Then you are probably aware of the Orthodox priest fired for supporting Christian involvement in Palestinian violence against Israel.

Here is an article from Arabic News. (http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020713/2002071311.html)

Good, he should've been fired. At least that's being responsible. There's crazies/extremists in every religion. Unfortunately most people "protect their own" rather than calling them out when they're wrong. I'm pleased by the fact that the leaders of my church give somebody the boot when they need to go.

[Starstreak M86]

I think both the Israelis and the Palestianians need to be flexible. Both governments have committed some acts that were not the best or most moral thing to do. Both of them have reason to complain about persecution.

I sympathize with the plights of both Messianic Jews and Arab Christians.