Canadian Call to Arms

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To my Canadian Brothers and Sisters; Hello All!

I am presenting you with a national online petition to enshrine the definition of marriage in the constitution (setting it, essentially, in stone). I have signed it, because I feel that marriage is one of the most basic foundations to a healthy and strong nation, and because it is God's institution. The last 50 or so years have seen a national spurning of the Lord and of His mandates, and gay marriage is the first openly anti-biblical legislation to have been proposed. This cannot, must not stand.

Please unite behind this banner, take 30 seconds, and sign the petition. You may also receive information from your MP, to vote on the issue; I have. Please do not overlook them, because it is the voice of the people which will decide this. Our children need us now, because they will grow up in a different Canada.

http://www.enshrinemarriage.ca/english/petition.html (http://www.enshrinemarriage.ca/english/petition.html)

If you feel it is important to send this to your online contacts, I ask you to do so.

Let's draw the line, and stand behind it.

In hope for the nation of Canada under God,
Degory Boyce

[daverain]

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KEEP THE CHURCH SEPERATE FROM THE STATE!!!


GOVERNMENT HAS -NO- BUSINESS IN THE AREAS OF GOD.


LOOK WHAT YOU GET:

GAY MARRIAGES.


OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE:

GOVERNMENT HAS -NO- BUSINESS IN THE AREAS OF GOD.


(Also, beware of 'BLIND SCRIBES' in 'church-leadership'.)




My Marriage Threads:
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(What a Man has said about marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1222090-what-a-man-has-said-about-marriage-.html

(marriage in MAN'S image)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1232352-marriage-in-mans-image.html

(Marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1172184-marriage.html

(To clarify marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1192438-to-clarify-marriage.html

(Ships Ahoy)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1184107-ships-ahoy.html

(Money to marry)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1183330-money-to-marry-wtt.html

(Common Law Marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1207405-comman-law-marriage.html

(My Wife)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1200648-my-wife.html

(True Story)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1203990-true-story.html

(My view on ceremonies past)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1207789-my-view-on-ceremonies-past.html

(Some marriage ramblings)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1219400-some-marriage-ramblings.html


(God can tell us if a legal marriage is NOT true love.)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1223816-god-can-tell-us-if-a-legal-marriage-is-not-true-love.html

(Is divorce EVER an option?)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1210900-is-divorce-ever-an-option.html

(God marries the un-saved , as well)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1214189-god-marries-the-un-saved-as-well.html




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-Peace in Christ.



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KEEP THE CHURCH SEPERATE FROM THE STATE!!!

GOVERNMENT HAS -NO- BUISINESS IN THE AREAS OF GOD.

LOOK WHAT YOU GET:

GAY MARRIAGES.

OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE:

GOVERNMENT HAS -NO- BUISINESS IN THE AREAS OF GOD.

(Also, beware of 'BLIND SCRIBES' in 'church-leadership'.)

Exactly. Keep church and state separate, and then you get gay marriage. did I miss something?

???Are you ok??? You sound like you don't even think God exists! So you're saying I shouldn't stand for what God has said then? What do you think makes North America stand out like a gleaming gem? Could it be the fact that our legal system is founded on God's Laws? Open your eyes brother. Read the Old Testament. God wants to be deeply involved in the entirety of our lives.

Areas of God? Don't you know that all of life is the "area of God?" Everything from political to personal, brother, is under the direct control and sight of God, and I know that He has an opinion on the way countries are to be run. Seriously, open your eyes.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/scdoor3.jpg
Supreme Court doors

http://www.retakingamerica.com/files/house_representatives_moses_001.jpg
House of Representatives Plaque
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/WhatWE/WhatsMEDIA/SupremeCtMoses.jpg
Supreme Court Facade Carving

Read the any founding documents. You will see the Lord's name in there, every single time. Keep church and state separate? GOOD LORD, YOU'D HAVE TO LEAVE NORTH AMERICA!!! AND I'M NOT EVEN POLITICALLY ACTIVE!! But I know that I know that I know that our Laws need to reflect God's mandates, or this country will fall.

[daverain]

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The MAIN ISSUE in the FIRST POST is:

"Gay marriage is the first openly anti-biblical legislation to have been proposed."

(do -YOU- see 'God's hand' in this?)

(=In 'anti-biblical legislation')

(I don't)


Governments -ARE- (FALSELY) declaring that gays can be 'married'.


IF one understands marriage properly,

one will see that marriage is between a-man-and-a-woman.

(And that GOD joins them, NOT some 'government'.)



If one insists that it's governments who marry people,

and NOT GOD...


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LIES will be told

(like gays 'marrying' is 'A possibility.')

(THAT is a LIE.)


(God spirit-'bonds' a-man-and-a-woman for 'their lives')

(WITHOUT ANY help EVER from 'mankind'.)


(even if 'blind-mankind' refuses to see it in that way.)
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The wind has been sown.

The whirl-wind is being reaped.

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-Peace in Christ.




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[daverain]

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What do you think makes North America stand out like a gleaming gem?

Could it be the fact that our legal system is founded on God's Laws?

Open your eyes brother.

Read the Old Testament.





Since Christ's sacrifice,

Christians are UNDER THE GRACE OF CHRIST (NOT THE LAW)

(Christ FULFILLS the law.)


(=one CAN eat pork)

(=one CAN work on Saturday)

(etc.)


Galations 3:10:
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"Anyone under the LAW, is under A CURSE."

Open -YOUR- eyes, -please- :

Read the NEW-testament.

(Please read Galations-specifically)


(Perhaps this 'gem' -"built on laws", is really an 'Abomi-Nation'.)





"Anyone under the LAW, is under A CURSE."




When considering 'governments', please consider:
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THIS following biblical view of some earthly 'governments'

(would you serve this?):


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Revelation 17:1 to 6:
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1Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, "Come here, I will show you the judgment of

THE GREAT HARLOT

who sits on many waters,



2with whom



the kings of the earth



committed acts of


immorality,



and those who dwell on the earth



were made drunk



with the wine of her



immorality."



3And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and



I saw



a woman



sitting on a scarlet beast, full of





blasphemous names ,





having seven heads and ten horns.



4The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls,



having in her hand



a gold cup full of



abominations



and of the unclean things of her



immorality,



5and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery,



"BABYLON THE GREAT,



THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS



AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS



OF THE EARTH."



6And I saw the woman



drunk with


the blood of the saints ,



and with


the blood of the witnesses of Jesus .



When I saw her, I wondered greatly.





Revelation 17:18:

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18"The woman whom you saw is

the great city,

which reigns over the kings of the earth."





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(Would you really expect mankind's government to EVER be in 'perfect-sync' with God?)



(One should rather, expect them to be in sync...



with the enemy.)






My Marriage Threads:
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(What a Man has said about marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t122...-marriage-.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1222090-what-a-man-has-said-about-marriage-.html)

(marriage in MAN'S image)

http://www.christianforums.com/t123...mans-image.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1232352-marriage-in-mans-image.html)

(Marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1172184-marriage.html

(To clarify marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t119...y-marriage.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1192438-to-clarify-marriage.html)

(Ships Ahoy)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1184107-ships-ahoy.html

(Money to marry)

http://www.christianforums.com/t118...-marry-wtt.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1183330-money-to-marry-wtt.html)

(Common Law Marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t120...w-marriage.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1207405-comman-law-marriage.html)

(My Wife)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1200648-my-wife.html

(True Story)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1203990-true-story.html

(My view on ceremonies past)

http://www.christianforums.com/t120...onies-past.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1207789-my-view-on-ceremonies-past.html)

(Some marriage ramblings)

http://www.christianforums.com/t121...-ramblings.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1219400-some-marriage-ramblings.html)


(God can tell us if a legal marriage is NOT true love.)

http://www.christianforums.com/t122...-true-love.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1223816-god-can-tell-us-if-a-legal-marriage-is-not-true-love.html)

(Is divorce EVER an option?)

http://www.christianforums.com/t121...-an-option.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1210900-is-divorce-ever-an-option.html)

(God marries the un-saved , as well)

http://www.christianforums.com/t121...ed-as-well.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1214189-god-marries-the-un-saved-as-well.html)




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-Peace in Christ.




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I'm sure you know that gay relations are against God's mandate. I feel it's important for our political system to reflect His mandate. Are people united by God in spirit, and not a ceremony? Yes, I don't disagree with you one iota! But are there political and legal (earthly) implications to that union? Yes, there are, and to "legitmize" and "give place" to spiritual bankruptcy is extremely dangerous. It is no union, as you say. It is perversion, God hates it. I hate it. I hate it as I hate all hell, I and I would to God that all of those involved would see the absolutely lie and perversion that it is, and turn to the Lord for inward healing. It should not be "established" in law, it should be "abolished" from all thought. This countries laws should strive for holiness. You cannot politically guard against internal corruption (without becoming big brother), but you can limit corrupt deeds, and not give them the "place" and "voice" that they are striving for.

I want this nation to be as close to God as it is able, as I'm sure you do too. I'm not here to argue about God's purpose in marriage, nor the political beast, but our duty to the Lord's current desire. I believe it is the Lord's desire to quell the political stirrings of acceptance of immorality, brother, and if you investigate your heart, I believe you will too.

[daverain]

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It should not be "established" in law, it should be "abolished" from all thought. This countries laws should strive for holiness.







Not only should GAY marriages NOT be established in law...



NO MARRIAGE SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED IN LAW.

(=As if to say it's LAW that marries a-man-and-a-woman, and NOT GOD)


(To me, that's ALMOST blasphemous.)


Galations 3:10:
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"Anyone under the LAW, is under a CURSE."


(Please re-read my posts on this thread.)



Please ALSO see...


My Marriage Threads:
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(What a Man has said about marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t122...-marriage-.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1222090-what-a-man-has-said-about-marriage-.html)

(marriage in MAN'S image)

http://www.christianforums.com/t123...mans-image.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1232352-marriage-in-mans-image.html)

(Marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1172184-marriage.html

(To clarify marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t119...y-marriage.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1192438-to-clarify-marriage.html)

(Ships Ahoy)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1184107-ships-ahoy.html

(Money to marry)

http://www.christianforums.com/t118...-marry-wtt.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1183330-money-to-marry-wtt.html)

(Common Law Marriage)

http://www.christianforums.com/t120...w-marriage.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1207405-comman-law-marriage.html)

(My Wife)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1200648-my-wife.html

(True Story)

http://www.christianforums.com/t1203990-true-story.html

(My view on ceremonies past)

http://www.christianforums.com/t120...onies-past.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1207789-my-view-on-ceremonies-past.html)

(Some marriage ramblings)

http://www.christianforums.com/t121...-ramblings.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1219400-some-marriage-ramblings.html)


(God can tell us if a legal marriage is NOT true love.)

http://www.christianforums.com/t122...-true-love.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1223816-god-can-tell-us-if-a-legal-marriage-is-not-true-love.html)

(Is divorce EVER an option?)

http://www.christianforums.com/t121...-an-option.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1210900-is-divorce-ever-an-option.html)

(God marries the un-saved , as well)

http://www.christianforums.com/t121...ed-as-well.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t1214189-god-marries-the-un-saved-as-well.html)




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Peace in Christ.







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[daverain]

The following, is from a pastor of a MAJOR denomination.

(My words are in brackets)

I've omitted some of his words.

I've done this to be 'biblical'.

I MAY not agree with EVERYTHING that is said, but please consider the possibilities. I provide it for your edification:

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By Dan Hatch
July-August 2000

We all know them: the elderly couple who has fallen in love but cannot afford to get married because of the loss of Social Security or complications with medical insurance; the young couple who want to get married but at this time in their lives cannot afford the I.R.S.'s "marriage tax;"

Where love is of God, the church should be in the business of sanctifying and blessing holy unions that we feel are ordained by (-God-). We should not be in the marriage license signing business.

We are called to be agents of the church, not agents of the state. Signing marriage licenses confuses this distinction.

The state does not grant us ecclesiological endorsement. The spiritual sanctification of love between individuals should be solely a (matter of God).

Legal authorization should be a civil matter.

Jesus was keenly aware of this distinction when he admonished the Pharisees and Herodians, "Give to the emperor the things that are the emperor's and to God the things that are God's" (Mark 12:17).

The fact that we have a service in our Book of Worship for Blessing of a Civil Marriage indicates we understand this distinction.

There is nothing to indicate that we should sign marriage licenses. This is an unwritten expectation that has been passed down from the times when the church was an instrument of the state. It is an archaic vestige that should not be perpetuated within the (Cerain denomination) of Christ.

This is a justice issue. If we limit ourselves to blessing only holy unions, we can treat equally all those (They MUST be man-and-woman couples) who seek such a blessing.

We need not be concerned about the civil or financial consequences of such a union. If those whose union has been blessed by (God) wish to also have it recognized by the state, they can seek such authorization.

I strongly believe it would not take much education for civil authorities, when presented with a duly signed and witnessed certificate of holy union, to accept same as sufficient basis for civil legal authorization (although this would not be needed by God).

As those called as partners in Christ's service, henceforth let us develop our own Certificates of Holy Union (although these would NOT be necessary for GOD to join a-man-and-a-woman) and simply refuse to sign government marriage licenses!

The Rev. Dan Hatch, an Associate Conference Minister in the Missouri-Mid South Conference, last signed a marriage license in 1993. http://www.ucc.org/logo/email-bot.gif (http://www.ucc.org/cgi-bin/emailit.cgi?action=refer&title=UCNews Article)


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Peace in Christ.




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[daverain]

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Please consider someone elses words.


I have NOT ommited or added anything.


While I MAY not agree with everything in the following (off of Google), please consider the possibilities. I provide this for your edification:


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Someone who thinks like me:
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Marriage licenses – documents conferring the state’s blessing on a marital union – have no biblical basis. There is no scripture mandating such authorization for marriage. In Genesis 2:24, when God ordains marriage, He says that “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” Neither Genesis 2:25 – nor any other Scripture – states that this union can only be official with a piece of paper from the local magistrate.

During the late 1960s, it was common for couples who shacked up out of wedlock to say that “marriage is just a piece of paper.” This is what we – including about 99 percent of Christians – have reduced marriage to in the modern age. Today, Christians and conservatives insist on the need for the government to issue a document before a marriage to be genuine. They, too, have "redefined" marriage.

Matt Trewhella pastors the Mercy Seat Christian Church in Milwaukee. For years, he has been marrying couples without licenses. He has some fascinating things to say about why Christians should not obtain a marriage license.

Pastor Trewhella quotes the Black’s Law Dictionary’s definition of a license as "the permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal." Why do we need permission from the state to participate in something ordained by God? Also, when you obtain a license to marry, you give the state unbiblical authority over your marriage and over your children, as well as placing yourself under all sorts of immoral laws. You may read Pastor Trewhella’s entire message here.

Pastor Trewhella goes on to give a brief outline of the history of marriage licenses in America. Marriage licenses were not issued in America until the mid-1800s. In 1923, the federal government passed the Uniform Marriage and Marriage License Act. It was not until 1929 that every state had marriage license laws. Is it merely a coincidence that the demise of the traditional family in America only took place after we gave the government the authority to regulate marriage? I don’t think so.

Big government groupies – this includes Republicans, Democrats and most pastors – will always seek big government solutions. The proposed marriage amendment is just such a thing. It may make its proponents feel good, but it will solve nothing. It will merely intensify a trend – government regulation of marriage – that has been going on for decades.

Benton County, Oregon, the home of Oregon State University, is a pretty liberal place. On March 24, Benton County commissioners did the right thing, albeit for the wrong reasons: they stopped issuing marriage licenses. According to one commissioner, the ostensible purpose of this action was to “uphold Oregon's Constitution's anti-discrimination provisions.”

Tim Nashif, of the Defense of Marriage Coalition stated the following with regard to the Benton County decision: "We are happy Benton County is not going to violate the law by issuing illegal marriage licenses, but we are perplexed as to why they would not issue legal licenses."

Here we have a classic example of the contemporary confusion over what defines marriage. Since the Bible defines marriage, a license (i.e. permission) from the secular authorities is not necessary.
What then shall we do?

If two men or two women want to shack up and call it marriage, I cannot forcibly stop them. Utopia is not an option. However, calling it marriage does not make it marriage. Calling a book a telephone does not make it a telephone. Calling a dog a cat does not make it a cat.

In a free society, which America has not been for many decades, no one would be compelled to recognize such a union as a marriage. No employer would be required to pay benefits to your same-sex significant other. No insurer would be required to write life insurance if your same-sex partner was a beneficiary. No landlord would be required to rent to two people of the same gender if he thought they were living immorally.
A few years ago, a well-known evangelical Christian broadcaster commented that if gay marriage were to become legal, schools would be required to teach your children that there was nothing wrong with it. In a free society, you would not be required to send your child to such a school, or even to pay for it through taxes.

Both sides in the debate over the proposed marriage amendment, as portrayed by the media, are wrong. Those who advocate gay marriage are wrong for openly promoting a perverted and perilous lifestyle.

Those who propose a constitutional ban on gay marriage are also wrong. They only intensify the problem by putting the kingdom of man before the Kingdom of God. From the Garden of Eden until about 150 years ago, marriage was a covenant made before God. The state had nothing to do with it. It is only when the state got its tentacles all over the sacred institution of marriage that it -- as well as the traditional family in general -- started to come apart. Surprise!

It all reminds me of a quote attributed to Beatle drummer Ringo Starr: “Everything the government touches turns to ****.”


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Peace in Christ.




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Daverain, this is insane!!! seperate church and state? The church is the only thing Godly in the government. Look at the bible, look at what happened to Israel and Juda when they had a corupt government. We live in this country, we are a part of it, we pay taxes to it, our children live and grow up here. I don't want my children to grow up in a moral sewer. Do you? I fail to see how a Christian, son of God, would desire to see GOd abolished from a governing body. We are not to group to ourselves, but to impact our country and the world. This includes fighting for what is right where ever there is injustice to God. Everything in this earth is God's, government included. I will not sit around and do nothing while God's country is slipping into destruction. People that I love live hear, and a God fearing government will help keep them safe.

My friend is rising in the ranks of government seeking to change as much as he can in this country, and he is deeply rooted in God. His name is Sam Ribeiro, and he is a member of the Conservative Party. If you see his name, vote for him. He is there for one reason, to bring Christ further into government. Peace.

[daverain]

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What I mean:
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Government should NEVER declare that it has the POWER to marry.

I view that as ALMOST blasphemous:

(God marries people, people DON'T marry people.)


It's been said that a society can be judged by the way it treats it's prisoners.

Also, considering that certain 'acts of abomination' are sanctioned by the government,

I would say that GOD is WELL SEPERATED from 'prideful-evil' 'fallen' mankind.

"Babylon The Great IS FALLEN."





Peace in Christ.






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Legal authorization should be a civil matter.

Dave, I agree with you. Marriage is a spiritual event, and no piece of paper can declare that marriage is present or not. Some people get a marriage license without internally being "united" with the other, true. Some never get the license, and yet are married. But there are civil matters involved too. The state wants to recognize the union! In fact, it demands to be able to recognize the union, by law. I personally feel that to recognize the gay union is the fly in the face of the purpose of union itself. It gives gay rights legitimacy, and in a world which relies on legal and political power (legitimacy), I think it would be a severe folly to grant this political "nod" to the gay community. Our children will grow up thinking "well, it's legal, so it's not that bad."

Civil matters are extremely important in shaping a country's quality of life, and in the national blessing they evoke from God! The voice of truth needs to declare truth. The gay lifestyle is sensual, sexually driven, animalistic, and simply perverted (been "bent" or "twisted"). Government is supposed to be a civil expression of God's judgement and justice! And to offer the gay community this "respectful" gesture is to instill confidence and legitimacy in something which deserves NEITHER! Call it a sexual partnership. Call it a special phenomenon. Call it a whoredom, but whatever you do, just don't call it marriage. Don't EVER equate something disgusting with something pure, especially not legally.

I know the legal form in Canada has helped to instill in me an understanding of the laws of God. I know these things aren't present in countries which don't have these laws, so I thank God everyday for a legal system which reflects Him. It was the foundation for this Land of Freedom and Peace, and I think you'll agree. God gave laws so we would follow them, not make litigation which "legitimizes" and "respects" the opposite.

But I agree with you, Dave, no man can write or unwrite the fact of spiritual union with one of the opposite sex.

[daverain]

But there are civil matters involved too. The state wants to recognize the union! In fact, it demands to be able to recognize the union, by law.



Are you sure?

What about COMMON LAW MARRIAGE?:

In my Country (=Canada),

This is defined as:

The Joining of a man and woman together.

(Go ahead, type in the above sentence into Google, and see if I'm right.)

(Although that's quickly being eroded.)


This can happen instantly (by law even)


Indeed, have you ever heard of someone monogomous being arrested for NOT having a marriage license.


No one is COMMANDED by law to get a marriage license,

AND...

The law recognizes "Common law MARRIAGE."



(Do YOU see it that way?)

(That a man and a woman COULD POSSIBLY be 'married' like Adam and Eve were?)

-Or would you RATHER be put under a 'yoke of slavery'?






Peace in Christ.



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[daverain]

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Once upon a time...


God married people (He still does).


However...


There was a greedy 'false-pastor', named:

Rev. Grubber.


There was also an evil mayor named:

I.M. Initforthemoney.


Reverend Grubber, who loved placing 'burdens' on others' backs, was very CRAFTY. He came up with a PLAN: to increase his 'revenues'.

The exalted rev.Grubber WENT TO: Mayor I.M. Initforthemoney,
and CONVINCED him to SELL something called 'marriage licenses'.

Although NONE were ever FORBIDDEN to 'be married in God's eyes' WITHOUT one (=no one EVER went to jail)...

Rev. Grubber KNEW that MANY A CHRISTIAN (who are NOT wise as serpents), could EASILY be persuaded, that God -NEEDED- this 'piece of paper' to 'join' a-man-and-a-woman together for 'their lives'.

He was right.

As is human-nature (to ADD mankind's WORKS to the things of GOD)...

They bought the 'marriage lie' IN DROVES (hook, line, and sinker).
Many a 'blind scribe' (in church leadership), also bought into: 'the lie'.


However...



(Chapter 2)

GOD -chose- to IGNORE Rev. Grubber's False-Doctrines, and CONTINUED to marry people ON HIS OWN (He still does this today).


Sadly however...

Many people who God HAD joined (without a 'piece of paper', or a 'ceremony')...

'BROKE UP' (as is in 'human-nature' to do so).


But...


They CAN'T (truly)
be broken up.

ONLY the death of one of them can seperate this bond.


Since Reverend Grubber's 'leaven' had spread everywhere like a cancer, those people COULDN'T SEE that they had a SPOUSE.

How could they:

Because of all the FALSE TEACHINGS saying: "God requires a 'ceremony', and a 'piece of paper', or THUS: NO MARRIAGE has taken place.


The Reverend Grubber caused MUCH DAMAGE to others for 'their lives'.

(because of his greed)


To conclude...


The un-repentant Rev. Grubber:

died, and went to hell for his sins.


THE END


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Peace in Christ.







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[CWLite]

Daverain, that is rebellion. Honor the government and seek its change. If the govrnment allows gay marriages, the whole social structure of our country will collapse. Your views are damaging to the kingdom of God, which desires to see this country on fire for God. I find your view selfish and dangerous, you wish to ailianate the church, the church that this world needs. I hope that you can see the scope of what you are saying.

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Daverain, that is rebellion.

Honor the government and seek its change.

If the govrnment allows gay marriages, the whole social structure of our country will collapse.

Your views are damaging to the kingdom of God, which desires to see this country on fire for God.

I find your view selfish and dangerous, you wish to ailianate the church, the church that this world needs. I hope that you can see the scope of what you are saying.





Dear CWlite,


Yes.

I'm in rebellion against the devil.


I choose to honor: JESUS

(and I don't honor what <I> consider to be 'false-idols'.)



Your teaching says: "If the government allows gay marriages..."



THEY CAN'T DO THIS (GOD -ALONE- ALLOWS PEOPLE TO BE MARRIED)

GOD ALONE will marry a-man-and-a-woman for 'their lives'.


Your teaching says: "If the government allows gay marriages..."


Your teaching, THUS DECLARES: ONE SHOULD HONOR AN EVIL GOVERNMENT.

A government who would even DARE TO CONSIDER calling the IMPOSSIBLE (=same sex marriages), a 'thing of God'.

A government who DARES to (even now) SELL 'marriage licenses' as if THEY'RE NEEDED BY GOD.

One day -at this rate-, they WILL -command- people to get them (=or go to jail).


I feel my views lead people to Jesus (those people who would NOT receive a 'yoke of slavery-Christianity',

But a

"Whoever The Son sets free, will be free indeed."-Christianity.)



Your last two sentences are a PERSONAL-INSULT.



That is a VIOLATION of the rules of this forum:



Ahem:
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It has been brought to my attention,
that you have violated the rules of this forum.

While perhaps one day these rules may change...
Please obey the current rules of this forum.

(Otherwise: One MIGHT find oneself in a little
'hot-water', shall we say.)


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Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"
1.1 You will not post any messages that harass, INSULT, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest.
1.2 You may discuss another member's beliefs but there will be no personal (ad hominem) attacks on the member himself or herself.
1.3 You will not misquote another member regardless of context.
1.4 You will not directly state or otherwise imply that another member is not a Christian.
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I politely ask you to:


Please refrain from any further: flaming-activities.




Peace in Christ.




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[deg]

Are you sure?

What about COMMON LAW MARRIAGE?:

Dave;

Brother, I think it's important you forgive this pastor and the civil system. Don't begrudge, it wont' help you. Bitterness will burden you, let it go! Please, in the name of the Lord, forgive these things. People have sinned against you, we can all see that. You do not need to rail others. Forgive them. Pray for them earnestly. This is a board for fellowship and growth, not backpeddling and remorse. Read Isaiah 52, verse 2, and forgive (By the way, I'm not calling you a captive)! In other words; where do you go from here? What has the Lord lead you to do? How do you deal with this situation, if indeed your wife has left you? I am sorry to hear that brother, the pain must be something great.

About common law marriage; that is the state recognizing the union! Why is this so hard to see? They're saying "so there was no open legal declaration of marriage, but we know they're married." These are the necessary legal effects that the governement experiences because of your choices.

??? Brother, why are you having such difficultly? Are you really ok? Is there something I could ask the Lord for on your behalf?

There are always "lower" effects of spiritual events, and one of the outlays for marriage is legal recognition. There is a law, and no matter what God says, we need to comply with Caesar too (as long as they don't contradict!). The physical body is involved in marriage, and the government has asked to know who is in what marital state. I don't think it's unreasonable; marriage is for a sense of formality and family; it's not for God, as you have so clearly indicated. It's more an official event where people can celebrate the union, and rejoice!! So then rejoice!! Leave your burdens and past, and follow the Lord!

With hope,
Deg

[daverain]

??? Brother, why are you having such difficultly? Are you really ok? Is there something I could ask the Lord for on your behalf?




YES.

Please pray that my peace, would increase.

Also,

Please pray for others who've been given 'burdens upon their backs', by False Teachings (fueled by GREED).


This is outlined in:


'A Marriage Tragedy':
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http://www.christianforums.com/t1242204-a-marriage-tragedy.html




Peace in Christ.









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[daverain]

Re: Marriage:
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**** LOOK TO

THE LUTHERINS

MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS *********

(At last, I've found The One True Marriage Denomination.)


Peace in Christ.




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