God marries the UN-saved as well.

[daverain]

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I feel that God marries (=spirit-bonds)

the UNSAVED as well as the saved.


I feel if one looks around,

one can see MANY examples of non-Christians who

cling together for 'their lives'.


(God uses their true-love for each other to 'spirit-bind' them.)


I feel this MAY be a good 'witnessing opportunity':


eg. "Hey, did you know that it's GOD who's holding you two-together?"



Also...

(Something to consider)


Apparently, Killer-Whales,

and Wolves,

'cling together' for 'their lives'.

(Interesting.)




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[Iron Lion]

huh? im confused

[ninja]

yeah what are you on about man?

[New_Wineskin]

For Christians that think that they can decide who may or may not divorce , nonchristians cannot be rightfully married . For these Christians , they should insist that any who come to their group who have been saved must present evidence that they were married after being saved or they must go through the process again . To make the issue of divorce such a high priority would make marraige one as well .

But , what am I saying ? That would mean that I thought that they were interested in consistancy . Nevermind . :)

[WashedClean]

This is a very perplexing thread. :scratch:

I agree with much of what Dave said though. God considers unsaved people to be married. I don't think if my husband gets saved, we would have to remarry before God in order to us to be married in His eyes. We may choose to do it, but it won't make us "more married". The Word says the unsaved spouse is sanctified through the one who is saved, so how can New Wineskin say that I'm not married in God's eyes??

[New_Wineskin]

... so how can New Wineskin say that I'm not married in God's eyes??

I didn't say that .

[WashedClean]

I didn't say that .

Great, glad to hear it ;) . Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. :blush:

[New_Wineskin]

Great, glad to hear it ;) . Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. :blush:;)

[revrobor]

Just because God "...Created the institution..." does NOT mean every marriage is ordained by Him.

Biblical marriages (when a man and woman became husband and wife) occured when the couple had sexual intercourse ("...and the two became one flesh..."). Today there are civil marriage (one requiring a license from the state) in which the couple is considered married LEGALLY when they and the officiating person (minister, Judge, Justice of the Peace or county clerk) sign the marriage license. Unfortunately most churches have adopted the civil marriage in place of the Biblical and religious marriage.

UN-saved persons can be married LEGALLY (civilly) but are NOT married by God.

[Knight]

Where is the Biblical evedince that God would not honor vows taken outside of a biblical marriage?

Should those who convert to Christ after marriage be re-married?

[revrobor]

Where is the Biblical evedince that God would not honor vows taken outside of a biblical marriage?

Should those who convert to Christ after marriage be re-married?

Where is the Biblical evidence that He will?

If a couple is saved after they marry they should also dedicate their marriage to God. If they want to have a Christian ceremony they should. They're already married civilly.

[Tavita]

I agree with revrobor, I see no biblical evidence to say that marriage's outside of christianity, or biblical faith, are honoured by God. In fact I believe a lot of christian marriages are not put together by God, with many christians marrying non-christians (this is after salvation, not before). How can God honour such marriages? And how can they be truly married in His eyes if they go against scripture..

(2Co 6:14) Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Of course the word says, if after salvation we find ourselves in this situation we should stay there as the unbeliever is considered sanctified through the spouse.

[Gary B]

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I feel that God marries (=spirit-bonds)

the UNSAVED as well as the saved.


I feel if one looks around,

one can see MANY examples of non-Christians who

cling together for 'their lives'.


(God uses their true-love for each other to 'spirit-bind' them.)

How doe's God "spirit-binds" anyone? Are you talking like with a rope? Or two spirits becoming one? And if it's two spirits becoming one, How does that happen?

I'll assume like a rope...for this post...

So when Adam said "one flesh", he really meant "spirit-bond" or God bonded their spirits together.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Seems like Jesus Quoted this very verse:

Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Now why didn't Jesus say the man and his wife are spirit-bonded? He said they are no longer two but one flesh...

I won't even go into a believer and unbeliever marriage...If they are "spirit-bonded", then why doe's one of them have to be sanctified by the believing spouse as Paul says?

1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
1Co 7:16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

I would have thought that if one of them were a believer and if what your saying is true (spirit-bonded}, then the unbeliever would already be saved...their spirits would be bound by God but Paul says the Christian isn't under bondage...

So I'm guessing that God didn't really bind them together...They bound themselves (with a contract)

Please define a "spirit-bind" marriage or "spirit-bonded" marriage...

Oh,,,I think I'll stop now before my head spins off...

[Knight]

Where is the Biblical evidence that He will?

If a couple is saved after they marry they should also dedicate their marriage to God. If they want to have a Christian ceremony they should. They're already married civilly.

I'll ask again, where is the Scripture for this?

Simply reversing the issue does not address it. You have claimed that a couple married outside the church should get married or at least dedicated once they become believers. Where is the command to do this? God is very clear about what He wants us to do. I do not recall this specific thing being addressed anywhere in Scripture.

[James1979]

A couple (man/woman) that is married according to the law of the land is seen by God as marriage. That goes for unsaved couples or saved couples or one saved/other unsaved. Remember the whole human race is accountable to keep God's laws. I don't know where we get these type of ideas that God did not ordain some marriages and some he did.

[daverain]

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with many christians marrying non-christians (this is after salvation, not before). How can God honour such marriages?

(2Co 6:14) Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Of course the word says, if after salvation we find ourselves in this situation we should stay there as the unbeliever is considered sanctified through the spouse.



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There's SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT KEEP COMING AT ME.



Please have patience, if I take a little time to get to everything, and to everyone.

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So...



Just beause Christians CAN be 'spirit-bound',

to a non-believer...


Does NOT mean that this is a GOOD idea, to do so.


It's a BAD idea, that leads to MUCH misery.




(an example is: 'Others' I know of, who see their loved ones ONLY going to hell. How miserable.)



'Sancifying the spouse', means leading them to Christ (which MOST LIKELY
-WONT- HAPPEN in a non-believer (but please pray that it does).



(And that's the way I see it, only because it's true.)



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[daverain]

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Dear 'Gary B',

Yes please think of it as a 'spirit-rope' (I like that).

I have to leave here now, but I will try to get back to you on any other pending issues put to me.

(for now, please read my other 'threads', and I think you'll see what I mean.)

-p.i.C.)

[daverain]

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A couple (man/woman) that is married according to the law of the land is seen by God as marriage.

That goes for unsaved couples or saved couples or one saved/other unsaved. Remember the whole human race is accountable to keep God's laws.


I don't know where we get these type of ideas that God did not ordain some marriages and some he did.





Yes.


And from my understanding as well...


Comman Law Marriage IS legal-marriage, 'according to the law of the land'.




(gotta write somewhere else now)

Peace in Christ.



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[revrobor]

I'll ask again, where is the Scripture for this?

Simply reversing the issue does not address it. You have claimed that a couple married outside the church should get married or at least dedicated once they become believers. Where is the command to do this? God is very clear about what He wants us to do. I do not recall this specific thing being addressed anywhere in Scripture.

You've answered your own question. There are many "specifics" that are not mentioned in Scripture and I suspect you knew that when you asked the question. However, I believe most couples who become Christians after they are married civilly would WANT to dedicate their marriage to God.

[revrobor]

A couple (man/woman) that is married according to the law of the land is seen by God as marriage. That goes for unsaved couples or saved couples or one saved/other unsaved. Remember the whole human race is accountable to keep God's laws. I don't know where we get these type of ideas that God did not ordain some marriages and some he did.

Except for salvation issues God's laws and Jesus' commands were issued to HIS people. Yes, ultimately all mankind will have to answer to God for their lives but those who live outside the will of God or choose to reject His salvation are on their own.

[daverain]

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(posted by: james1079:

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A couple (man/woman) that is married according to the law of the land is seen by God as marriage.
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Im sorry, I view this teaching-among-many as: FALSE.


(this is only because I'm right)



True-Love MAY NOT EXIST within a

"Legal-Marriage"

that is

NOT OF GOD.

(Does anybody here agree with me, on that?)

However...

If there IS True Love, THEY SHOULD AND MUST

NEVER SEEK LOVE

FROM ANOTHER

AS LONG AS THEY BOTH SHALL LIVE.


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[daverain]

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In response to the other 'ongoing-debate',

-I- would say one should merely



ALWAYS dedidacate ones LIFE to GOD

(Yet THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE IN A 'church building', By GOD.)



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[daverain]

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Does anyone know -personally- of any:

non-believers

who 'cling together'

for 'their lives?

I do.

(Could this be of God?)



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[christosdoulos]

UN-saved persons can be married LEGALLY (civilly) but are NOT married by God.

What is the difference between being "married by God" and "Not married by God?"

So now, in order to have sex (and not be considered having sex outside of marriage) the couple must be a Christian??? That sounds completely hokey and unbiblical.

[daverain]

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(Responding to some one else, who said that God COULDN'T marry non-believers)...


What is the difference between being "married by God" and "Not married by God?"

So now, in order to have sex (and not be considered having sex outside of marriage) the couple must be a Christian??? That sounds completely hokey and unbiblical.


(My response to both):



First:
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Of COURSE.

GOD joins ALL man-and-woman CONNECTIONS.

(Unbelieving man-and-woman joined, = joined by GOD -their sprirts are attached -like two 'ropes', -tied together- if you will.)


Second:
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<Married by God>

is: Spiritual

(=HE does it)
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<NOT married by God>

is: 'legal',

WITHOUT true-love EVER being present.


-Peace in Christ.



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[christosdoulos]

WITHOUT true-love EVER being present.


How have you come about this knowledge? I have yet to find that non-christians don't truly love eachother. I'd like to see some objective proof of this.

[daverain]

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How have you come about this knowledge? I have yet to find that non-christians don't truly love eachother. I'd like to see some objective proof of this.





A man COULD lie to a woman:

"I love you, please marry me."


They have a 'ceremony', and SHE believes it's a true marriage of God.


BUT IT'S NOT!!!


Can't you see this being possible?



I see this MOST DEFINATELY happening in the world.


However...

I feel that non-Christians CAN love each other.



(Christians MUST NOT marry Non-Christians.

-Let the reader understand what to 'marry' means.-

But If it's already the case,

it's already the case.)




-Peace in Christ.



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