Is divorce... EVER an option?

[daverain]

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In my opinion (only because it's true)....
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IN a TRUE (=spirit-bonded) marriage of God,

divorce is NEVER an option.


Unfortunately, MANY (but not all) Christians,

believe (falsely) that -ADULTERY- can 'severe'

a True-Marriage-of-God.

(=A spirit-to-spirit-man-and-woman connection.)


Adultery, is a 'sign' (not NECESSARILY the proof),

that 'true-love' NEVER was there (=NO 'spirit-bond').


So...

Adultery is THE 'sign' that allows one to 'escape'

ANY 'legal-marriage-contract', which MAY exist.


I feel this is true, based on the words of jesus.

These words (in Mark) are said to: THE DISCIPLES.


Please note:
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This is a DIFFERENT answer than what was

given to THE PHARISEES (in Matthew).


Mark 10:10 to 12:
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IN THE HOUSE, THE DISCIPLES began

questioning Him about this AGAIN.


And He said to them, "Whoever divorces

his wife and marries another woman

-COMMITS- adultery against her;


and if she herself divorces her husband

and marries another man;

she -IS COMMITING- adultery.


(N.A.S.V. emphasis mine)



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[New_Wineskin]

In a TRUE marraige , divorce will not even be brought up . If it is brought up , the marraige never existed in the first place . So , even then , it isn't a divorce .

[Bible2]

"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be
for fornication..."

(Matthew 19:9)

"...Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came
together, she was found with child of the Holy
Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man,
and not willing to make her a publick example,
was minded to put her away privily."

(Matthew 1:18-19)

"If any man take a wife... and say, I took this
woman, and when I came to her, I found her not
a maid..."

(Deuteronomy 22:13-14)

[Telrunya]

The bible tells us two things that apply here that I think you are overlooking. Satan can attack believers and the love of some will grow cold. All christians stumble from time to time which is why we are called to keep a short account with God. Be wise as a serpent and realize that Satan loves to attack marriages and that his favorite form of attack is the enticement to sin through adultry. That doesn't mean there was never true love (spirit bond) between the husband and wife. It means they fell for one of Satan's lies. They can in some instances be reconciled. One of my best friends chose to stay weith his wife and fight for their marriage after her infidelity. Years later now their marriage is one of the strongest I've seen. For others though there is no regaining that trust once broken. The intamacy of the wounding is too deep to repair and divorce is the way God provided for them to recover and focus on serving Him again. It is very clear in scripture that is the only reason for divorce and it should not be taken lightly as so many do today. I'm all for having a requirement of a 5 year period of marital counciling before a divorce is final.

[Rafael]

Unbelievers or marriage to unbelievers has different rules given by Paul in 1 Corinthians. It takes discernment to know if ones mate is a Christian or not - especially in they take the name of Christ in vain - such as beating a wife and then telling her she is bound to a man who calls Himself Christian yet does not show any fruit that would signify that relationship of the indwelling Spirit of God. Of course this could be missused, as with all things.

1 Cor. 7:10 Now, for those who are married I have a command that comes not from me, but from the Lord. A wife must not leave her husband.
11 But if she does leave him, let her remain single or else go back to him. And the husband must not leave his wife.
12 Now, I will speak to the rest of you, though I do not have a direct command from the Lord. If a Christian man has a wife who is an unbeliever and she is willing to continue living with him, he must not leave her.
13 And if a Christian woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he is willing to continue living with her, she must not leave him.
14 For the Christian wife brings holiness to her marriage, and the Christian husband brings holiness to his marriage. Otherwise, your children would not have a godly influence, but now they are set apart for him.
15 (But if the husband or wife who isn’t a Christian insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is not required to stay with them, for God wants his children to live in peace.)
16 You wives must remember that your husbands might be converted because of you. And you husbands must remember that your wives might be converted because of you.

[daverain]

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At THIS point (in THIS thread),

I wish to point out the VAST differences of opinion,

on DIVORCE among CHRISTIANS.


(Please re-read the replys. Can you all NOT see this?)


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[helmikaarina]

Life is very complicated and sometimes - were you a Christian or not - it's too complicated. Then there are no easy answers and no such answers which were only good and what ever you do feels not right from some point of view. But for a Christian there is not such situations which could not be solved and lived through with God.

[heartnsoul]

Daverain, I finally got you figured out. You are a true "romantic" at heart.:) (...maybe a little too arrogant at times, but I'm sure God will humble you in time.;) :D)

When you talk about TRUE (spiritually-bonded) marriages, I think you are referring "soulmates". I agree with you on this thread about TRUE love/marriage. The problem I see in society is that many people do not wait on God's timing for the right one (soulmate=true love). Instead, our society is an "instant" mashed potato (so to speak) society that wants things NOW and thus have little to no regard for God's will and perfect timing. So people end up marrying too early or prematurely and end up not marrying what could have been their "TRUE partner" and live "happily ever after" as you said.

I have read extensively on soul mates and the one thing that separates a godly marriage from a man-made marriage is this: Godly marriages are based on SPIRITUAL attraction not physical attraction. If more people were patient and waited on God's timing as they prepare themselves for their soulmates, we would probably have a lot less divorces, more spiritually mature Christians pairing up and thus, producing more TRUE (spiritually-bonded) marriages in this world.

The good news, however, is that even when a TRUE pair is not married, God can still work his awesome power and magic in that relationship and the two can grow to love each other as Christ loved us. So there is still hope for the marriage to grow into a godly, blessed one, true? ;) But I'm with you brother--I agree that there is nothing more precious than being married to a soul mate. I personally know of someone in this forum who married his soul mate. Although it is his second marriage, he has been tremendously blessed by God.

May all of us who are not married, continually seek Him and grow in faith while waiting on God's perfect timing for the perfect match. And for those of us who are married and are struggling, may we lean on God for His guidance and love, learn to love God deeper and, in return, love others! God bless all! :angel:

[daverain]

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Daverain, I finally got you figured out. You are a true "romantic" at heart.:) (...maybe a little too arrogant at times, but I'm sure God will humble you in time.;) :D)

When you talk about TRUE (spiritually-bonded) marriages, I think you are referring "soulmates". I agree with you on this thread about TRUE love/marriage. The problem I see in society is that many people do not wait on God's timing for the right one (soulmate=true love). Instead, our society is an "instant" mashed potato (so to speak) society that wants things NOW and thus have little to no regard for God's will and perfect timing. So people end up marrying too early or prematurely and end up not marrying what could have been their "TRUE partner" and live "happily ever after" as you said.

I have read extensively on soul mates and the one thing that separates a godly marriage from a man-made marriage is this: Godly marriages are based on SPIRITUAL attraction not physical attraction. If more people were patient and waited on God's timing as they prepare themselves for their soulmates, we would probably have a lot less divorces, more spiritually mature Christians pairing up and thus, producing more TRUE (spiritually-bonded) marriages in this world.

The good news, however, is that even when a TRUE pair is not married, God can still work his awesome power and magic in that relationship and the two can grow to love each other as Christ loved us. So there is still hope for the marriage to grow into a godly, blessed one, true? ;) But I'm with you brother--I agree that there is nothing more precious than being married to a soul mate. I personally know of someone in this forum who married his soul mate. Although it is his second marriage, he has been tremendously blessed by God.

May all of us who are not married, continually seek Him and grow in faith while waiting on God's perfect timing for the perfect match. And for those of us who are married and are struggling, may we lean on God for His guidance and love, learn to love God deeper and, in return, love others! God bless all! :angel:


While I MAY feel a little insulted by the term 'arrogant',

I'll let this slide,

considering everything else you've said.



-Peace in Christ.




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[but'n'ben]

I was a child in an abusive marriage and I know that if my parents hadn't split up I'd be a very, very different person. My mum is a Catholic and so didn't want to divorce but my dad did so even though he was the abuser.

Marriages don't walways work and in some instances divorce is the best option. I speak from experience. I don't know what the rest of my childhhod would have been like had my brother not taken the steps to protect me and my brother.

[daverain]

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I was a child in an abusive marriage and I know that if my parents hadn't split up I'd be a very, very different person. My mum is a Catholic and so didn't want to divorce but my dad did so even though he was the abuser.

Marriages don't walways work and in some instances divorce is the best option. I speak from experience. I don't know what the rest of my childhhod would have been like had my brother not taken the steps to protect me and my brother.


I'm deeply-sorry for what you (plural) went through.



I feel this would (probably) be a case, where...


There is a 'legal marriage', with NO true-love (ever).

(The LAW doesn't gaurantee a true-love-spirit-bond of God.)


(This -in my opinion- is The Reason that one can 'escape' ANY 'legal contract'

that may be in place.)



-Peace in Christ.


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[but'n'ben]

Are you speaking of true love marriages? I understand law and love are two completely different things. I think in the circumstances that if two people were lucky enough to fall deeply in love and it's God's plan there would be no need for divorce so whether it's right or wrong so it wouldn't be an option.

:)

[daverain]

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Are you speaking of true love marriages?

I understand law and love are two completely different things.

I think in the circumstances that if two people were lucky enough to fall deeply in love and it's God's plan

there would be no need for divorce...


....so it wouldn't be an option.

:)



I agree to EVERYTHING: within-the-above-quotes.

=AMEN. (100%)


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[DutchLady]

So many of us were not Christians when we got married and, to be honest, got married for all of the wrong reasons -- physical attraction, most likely. The world teaches us that, if it doesn't work out, we can throw it away and try again.

Statisticians tell us 57% of marriages of people who say they are Christians end in divorce. A higher percentage even than for those who do not profess to be Christians. That's really :( , but it tells me that Satan knows he can harm us and our families for generations to come by tempting us to do things that will destroy our marriages.

I disagree with another poster that, if divorce is even "brought up, the marriage never existed in the first place. So, even then, it isn't a divorce."

I believe a marriage is a marriage, and a divorce is a divorce. I do believe sometimes there is no choice in the case of a spouse who repeatedly commits adultery and is not looking to God for help to break that "addiction", someone who is not really, honestly trying to stop being an adulterer. I believe that God accepts such adultery as good cause for divorce. Neither would I expect any woman or man to stay with a spouse who is a mental or physical abuser. Whether or not they get a divorce is between them and God.

As for "true love marriages", I've seen only a handful of them in the 59 years I've lived. Some were between Christians and some were not. Actually, the majority were not, which doesn't say much for us Christians, does it?

I believe the best thing we can do is teach our children that marriage is for a lifetime, except in very extreme cases. Teach them how to love and to wait for true love before even considering marriage. They also need to know that marriage is a full-time job that requires give and take, and always putting the other person first. Hopefully the next generation will do a lot better than we have.:prayer:

[daverain]

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In my opinion (only because it's true),

A 'legal marriage' might -not- be of God,


So...



One is free to leave something that is:

NOT A MARRIAGE OF GOD.


In a TRUE MARRIAGE OF GOD (=True-Love) however...

one MUST NEVER LEAVE FOR ANOTHER (until one dies).


-Peace in Christ.




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[Rafael]

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In my opinion (only because it's true),

A 'legal marriage' might -not- be of God,


So...



One is free to leave something that is:

NOT A MARRIAGE OF GOD.


In a TRUE MARRIAGE OF GOD (=True-Love) however...

one MUST NEVER LEAVE FOR ANOTHER (until one dies).


-Peace in Christ.




.This is true. The believers in the Old Testament where told to leave unbelieving wives immediately. Nehemiah pulled some beards and punched a few in the nose for not obeying God with illegal marriages. See Ezra cahpter ten and Nehemiah 13:23-27.
There is forgiveness and sacrifice for making a rash vow in the Old - how much more grace do we have with Jesus and the new to cover the mistakes we make that hurt us so badly or hurt others?

Nehemiah 13:23 ¶ In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: 24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews’ language, but according to the language of each people. 25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. 26 Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. 27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?

Ezra 10:11 Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. 12 Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do.

Leviticus 5:4 "‘Or if a person thoughtlessly takes an oath to do anything, whether good or evil—in any matter one might carelessly swear about—even though he is unaware of it, in any case when he learns of it he will be guilty. 5 "‘When anyone is guilty in any of these ways, he must confess in what way he has sinned 6 and, as a penalty for the sin he has committed, he must bring to the LORD a female lamb or goat from the flock as a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin.

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

[daverain]

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There is forgiveness and sacrifice for making a rash vow in the Old

- how much more grace do we have with Jesus


and the new


to cover the mistakes we make

that hurt us

so badly


or hurt others?






Amen.


Thank you GREATLY for the New Treasure you've given us -above- From The New Covenant,

AND

for this 'Old Treasure' (=Everything in your entire-post)

from The Old Covenant.


Thank You.



-Peace in Christ.



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[Bible2]

"For this cause shall a man leave his father and
mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain
shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain,
but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined
together, let not man put asunder . . .

Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry
another, committeth adultery against her. And
if a woman shall put away her husband, and be
married to another, she committeth adultery."

(Mark 10:7-12)

"...and whosoever marrieth her that is put away
from her husband committeth adultery."

(Luke 16:18)

"...the woman which hath an husband is bound by
the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but
if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the
law of her husband. So then if, while her husband
liveth, she be married to another man, she shall
be called an adulteress: but if her husband be
dead, she is free from that law; so that she is
no adulteress, though she be married to another
man."

(Romans 7:2-3)

"The wife is bound by the law as long as her
husband liveth; but if her husband be dead,
she is at liberty to be married to whom she will;
only in the Lord. But she is happier if she so
abide, after my judgment: and I think also that
I have the Spirit of God."

(1 Corinthians 7:39-40)

"...Let not the wife depart from her husband:
But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried
or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the
husband put away his wife."

(1 Corinthians 7:10-11)

"...if the unbelieving depart, let him depart.
A brother or a sister is not under bondage* in
such cases..."

(1 Corinthians 7:15)

* under bondage: Greek: douloo

"...the woman which hath an husband is bound*
by the law to her husband so long as he liveth..."

"The wife is bound* by the law as long as her
husband liveth..."

(Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:39)

* bound: Greek: deo

[akascottb]

divorse is not an option except in cases of abuse. if someone is being abused they have a right to protect themselves. if a child is being abused then a parent has a duty to protect.

[daverain]

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Wow thanks for those verses, (= from bible2)

(indeed though, ALWAYS -ONLY- verses? Interesting.)

(I wonder if -YOU- speak, possibly under another handle?)


Anyways, YOU -DO- speak in THE WAY IN WHICH they're given.


I've never looked at ALL of these
verses, at the SAME TIME (like this).

How truly profound.


However...


I wish to make an 'observation', that I feel IS overlooked by many Christians :
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In the passages that bible2 gave us, "husband" and "wife" mean a'TRUE-LOVE' 'husband-and-wife' (not JUST a 'legal contract' , or 'ceremony', which is NOWHERE COMMANDED -by the way-, to those living under Christ's:

'New-Covenant-Of-Grace'

"..To such..there IS NO law.."

(I feel that seeing things 'in this light', gets rid of MUCH confusion over marriage.)



Peace in Christ.



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[daverain]

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divorse is not an option except in cases of abuse. if someone is being abused they have a right to protect themselves. if a child is being abused then a parent has a duty to protect.

One CAN leave...

(WITHOUT being divorced).


Anyone (even the 'spirit-bound') are FREE to live alone (for their safety)

However...


-IF- one HAS found true-love (in the way -I've- explained)...

AND

-EVEN IF- there were abuse,

(which MAY or may NOT prove a 'false connection'),


-IF- one HAS found true-love ,

ONE CAN'T FIND TRUE LOVE IN ANOTHER (until one of them dies.)

THIS is important to KNOW.



-Peace in Christ.





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[christosdoulos]

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's pretty much what I hear. We all throw around these passages and our opinions yet it is plainly clear! What do you vow? What do you say? "To death do you part" That vow is to the "witnesses" and to God.

I know that people don't want to accept that divorce is not an option and look for reasons and excuses to justify their actions. Simply put, you vow to God, keep it.

[but'n'ben]

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's pretty much what I hear. We all throw around these passages and our opinions yet it is plainly clear! What do you vow? What do you say? "To death do you part" That vow is to the "witnesses" and to God.

I know that people don't want to accept that divorce is not an option and look for reasons and excuses to justify their actions. Simply put, you vow to God, keep it.

It's easy for some to say...but try being a four year old kid and remembering your father beating up your mother in front of you. And when me and my brother tried to help her he turned on us. Try saying that it's completely wrong when you can recall at the age of 6 your father shouting at you that he was going to kill you mother?

My most vivid childhood memories are these two. The only memmories I have concerning my father in my childhood are the above two. After they divorced, my childhood was brilliant.

Do you think God would have prefered 2 young kids to be brought up in that household or would he preferred for my mother to do what she did, and protect us?

[Jim Woodell]

In a TRUE marraige , divorce will not even be brought up . If it is brought up , the marraige never existed in the first place . So , even then , it isn't a divorce .

Is this writer serious? I am convinced that some folks just drop a thread to start a fuss.

Read carefully Malachi 2:13-16. There is a marriage covenant that God recognizes. To say that someone in a marriage relationship, who mentions even the possiblity of divorce, indicates a marriage has never occured is contrary both to the letter and the spirit of Scripture.

Heb. 13:4 says, "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."

New Wineskin seems to be differing with scripture when he speaks of what he calls, "TRUE marriage." Consider how Isaac got Rebekah for his wife (Gen. 24). Also consider how Jacob came to be married to his first love, Rachel. These folks could not have known TRUE love before they entered the covenant, so my contention is that God teaches covenant over feelings. When you are married God's first calling is to stay that way (one man, for one woman, for one lifetime).

There are exceptions to two people staying married to each other for life. One or the other can violate the covenant (Matt. 19:3-12) or by abandoning their mate (1 Cor. 7:10-16).:amen:

[daverain]

Oi Vay (so many replys... Hang on please.)

[daverain]

<"Quote: christosdouluos">

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's pretty much what I hear. We all throw around these passages and our opinions yet it is plainly clear!


What do you vow?

What do you say?

"To death do you part"

That vow is to the "witnesses" and to God.

I know that people don't want to accept that divorce is not an option and look for reasons and excuses to justify their actions. Simply put, you vow to God, keep it.

<"Endquote: christosdouluos">


1.)

Yes, MORE than a few

throw around false opinions

around here.



2.) Many Christians are BLIND, even though there saved.

* Certaln specific 'blind-teachings' thus become 'doctrine for many'

In a TRUE marraige , divorce SHOULD not even be brought up . If it is brought up , Oh well. . So , even then , it isn't a divorce .

(Hang on please, not finished yet...)

[daverain]

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(Quote originally posted by New_Wineskin:)

In a TRUE marraige , divorce will not even be brought up . If it is brought up , the marraige never existed in the first place . So , even then , it isn't a divorce .
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(Enquote)



I feel (and please correct me if I'm wrong),

that what New_Wineskin MEANS

is that :

"Divorce - Should - not even be brought up."

(It SHOULDN'T)

(Hang on please, not finished yet...)

[twistedsketch]

Adultery, is a 'sign' (not NECESSARILY the proof),

that 'true-love' NEVER was there (=NO 'spirit-bond').
No, it is a sinful choice that descecrates the marraige bond. Love is a choice. And we as humans have the power to choose good over evil. Humans are tragically sinful and are very capable of turning down the absolute best God has to offer even though they have it for something sinful and worthless. Remember the Garden of Eden?


One is free to leave something that is:

NOT A MARRIAGE OF GOD.


In a TRUE MARRIAGE OF GOD (=True-Love) however...

one MUST NEVER LEAVE FOR ANOTHER (until one dies).
A true marraige of God is vows exchanged between a man and a woman, neither one of them having living sexual partners (except perhaps the bride/groom). Remarraige after divorce is not a true marraige of God, it is the extension of an affair. If a Christian is "married" to a divorcee and wakes up to the fact, he/she is more than free to leave. Doing so would be part of repentance. However, dissatisfaction with a current spouse is never a legitimate reason for a divorce, no matter whether the two feel they were meant for each other or not.

[daverain]

Sadly Twisted Sketch,

I feel you miss the point.

If one ever 'bought into' false teachings,

One would miss how God marries people

God connects their sprits in a way that can ONLY end when ONE OF THEM DIES.

Please re-read MY WORDS, and I think you'll see this.

(I'm not finished answering yet. Everyone PLEASE hang on.)

[daverain]

We are under the New Covenant of Christ.

We are NOT under the LAW

Galations 3:10
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"ANYONE under the law is under a CURSE, for cursed is he who DOES NOT CONTINUE TO FULLFILL THE LAW"

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Sadly, MANY Christians DON'T SEE THIS.

(Please hang on, I'm NOT finished yet.)

[daverain]

Absolutely NOWHERE in scripture, are we:

COMMADED (as Christians),


To MAKE VOWS


(Quiet the OTHER is the case)


Adam and Eve

DID NOT MAKE VOWS


(hang on, I'm not finished)

[daverain]

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- Jesus -

SPEAKING ABOUT VOWS,

said "Do not make ANY OATHS AT ALL."

(It's in Matthew)

(The context happens to be around MARRIAGE even)


(hang on please , I'm not finished yet)



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[daverain]

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"Thou shalt marry thy brother's wife."

This ACTUALLY WAS A COMMANDMENT IN...

THE Old Covenant.

-IF- a man's wife DIED,

the eldest-brother WAS COMMANDED ,

to marry her.


However...


We are under


The New Covenant

Paid for by Christ Himself.

Amen.



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[daverain]

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Did you (plural) know...


One IS allowed to eat pork?

(I'm not finished yet, please bear with me.)


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[daverain]

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One is ALSO allowed to work on Saturday (Satuday is The Sabbath Day)

However...

Christ IS our ETERNAL SABBATH REST :

(anybody agree?)


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[christosdoulos]

Do you think God would have prefered 2 young kids to be brought up in that household or would he preferred for my mother to do what she did, and protect us?

You are asking me to answer for God. I cannot.

[daverain]

(Person A Quote)

I know that people don't want to accept that divorce is not an option and look for reasons and excuses to justify their actions. Simply put, you vow to God, keep it.



(Person B Quote)

It's easy for some to say...but try being a four year old kid and remembering your father beating up your mother in front of you. And when me and my brother tried to help her he turned on us. Try saying that it's completely wrong when you can recall at the age of 6 your father shouting at you that he was going to kill you mother?

My most vivid childhood memories are these two. The only memmories I have concerning my father in my childhood are the above two. After they divorced, my childhood was brilliant.

Do you think God would have prefered 2 young kids to be brought up in that household or would he preferred for my mother to do what she did, and protect us?


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Do you think God would have prefered 2 young kids to be brought up in that household or would he preferred for my mother to do what she did, and protect us?
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I would suggest that GOD can reveal to us

Possible scenarios:

Perhaps said LEGAL marriage, was NOT a TRUE marriage of GOD.

A LEGAL marriage, does NOT GAURANTEE TRUE LOVE (=spirit to spirit bound).

I would SUGGEST, that:

THIS (most likely) -IS- THE CASE IN THE ABOVE QUOTE.


(one would be free to leave.)

(one would also be free to marry another WITH the 'sign of adultery' (=Evdence said person has had 'relations' with others.)

(I'm ONLY speaking of being LEGALY FREED FROM A LEGAL CONTRACT.)

(Do you see how VOWS -CAN- DO HARM?)

(Do you see how a BINDING-LEGAL-CONTRACT -CAN DO HARM)

Do you NOT see that a BINDING-LEGAL-CONTRACT -IS NOT what Marriage is meant to be under The New Covenant -Paid for with the sufferings of Christ.

(If unsure of 'vows', please re-read this thread.)



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God CAN show us like He did Paul.

-Although he be apostle with signs and wonders following.

[christosdoulos]

(=spirit to spirit bound).

You mention this "spirit binding" idea several times. Perhaps I have yet to read that part of the Bible, but could you direct me what passages you acquire this from?

[daverain]

You mention this "spirit binding" idea several times. Perhaps I have yet to read that part of the Bible, but could you direct me what passages you acquire this from?


The bible speaks of a 'one-ness', that ends ONLY when ONE dies.


(among other verses)

"What therefore GOD has joined together, let NO MAN seperate."

1 Corinthians 7:10: "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

I FEEL I -CAN'T- love another (like I love my wife). It wouldn't be true-love.

[daverain]

Mark 10:2-12: "And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery."

[daverain]

The following, was put together by someone else, who is of a prticular denomination (unlike myself):



Matthew 19:9: Separation, allowed, but not divorce: "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. This verse has raised the question whether "the putting-away of the wife and the dissolution of the marriage bond were not allowed on account of adultery." 3 If this were an accurate interpretation of Verse 9, (or of Matthew 5:31-32)then these passages would be in contradiction with other statements by Paul, and by the authors of Mark and Luke. The consensus of Catholic theologians is that such an analysis would violate "the infallibility of the Apostolic teaching and the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture." 3 Thus, an alternate interpretation is required. The consensus is that this verse is referring to a marital separation, not a divorce. That is, the marriage bond remains in place. Although the husband and wife live separately, they are not free to remarry.

[daverain]

When someone is bound until one dies

(from a TRUE marriage of God)

THIS to me says their spirits are joined.

I have to go now (I'm on a computer outside on a patio -it's cold)

(I'll continue this issue later. Please bear with me.)