Thinking of starting a new denomination

[treasurewords]

It'd just be a group of people on Sunday talking about all the sins they had commited throughout the week and why they believed they were bad.
And if we didn't believe they were bad we would talk about them until we finally saw them as God sees them.
We'd read our bibles and wait for other people to show up.

We'd have no building, we'd just do it in open areas like a park or something, and we'd put a sign up stating that the ground was being used for the worship of God.
Concerning tithes, if you have aught in your heart, you must first clear the aught and THEN you bring your tithe.

I think it'll be called the "Repentant Sinner's" denomination.
And it'll be the "First Church of the Repentant Sinner".

What does everyone else think?

[WesWoodell]

I think the only reason a person would want to start a new denomination is the same reason why all denominations got here. So that history will remember them as the person who started a new denomination.

[treasurewords]

Nope. It's because I can't fellowship with anyone in this town.

[kbanv]

Nope. It's because I can't fellowship with anyone in this town.

If you can't fellowship with anyone in town, where are the new denominations members going to come from?

Putting a sign up when you get together will attract attention from the authorities, and at the very least will want you to get permission to use the park for this reason (buy a permit). Why not just meet in a home?

People may not feel comfertable talking about their sins.

[treasurewords]

Okay. Then I'll talk about my sins and someone else will say "Wow I did that too" and we'll hug one another and realize that we're both sorry individuals and hopefully someone else will get the ball rolling and we'll all get on our knees and thank God.

If not in the park then perhaps it will have to be at someone's house.

[New_Wineskin]

Nope. It's because I can't fellowship with anyone in this town. Do you *need* it ?

[Tavita]

Why not get together and talk about Jesus instead of your sins?

[treasurewords]

This idea and thread, I believe, were born of pride.
I used an experience with God to feel more important than everyone else.
And then I said "Everyone else's denomination is doing the wrong thing" when I am but A BABE myself. I do wish there were more repentance in churches today, but I don't know anything about anything save that I am HIS and that HE is mine.

[Iron Lion]

yeah just what we need. another denom

[shataytay]

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[Iron Lion]

James 5:16
There's nothing wrong with the principle. I don't know if you need an entirely new denomination for it though.


i agree

[Chief117]

I agree also.

I already don't like the fact that the Church has allowed itself to be divided as much as it has. Remember, Christ prayed for the unity of his Church:


20“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”

I honestly believe that the *correct* course of action would be to pray about it for a while. Make a list of complaints that you see in your church--MAKE THEM ONLY COMPLAINTS that violate the Bible's commands for the church. Then prayerfully take them to your pastor.

You should not separate yourself from this world, rather you should penetrate it and let God conform it to His will.

[FaithAlone]

We do need a new style of church (actually old like the first church) that's back to basics and doesn't put men on a pedestal. If the church has a choir I think they should go in the back. I like to worship with instruments but I would love to switch it up with a cappella also from time to time. We would take the Lord's Supper every week not because it keeps us saved like some believe but because we want to do it often in memory of Christ. There would be deacons and elders so that if there was only one preacher he would be accountable. I don't mind a building because it can get pretty cold outside sometimes : ) I think we would meet for lunch around 11-12 and then have one service after lunch where there would be prayer, singing, communion and teaching. There would be a time for members to share anything that they feel like God is showing them. Then we would hang out together as long as we felt before going out to witness at a set area. Then we would go home for the day. We would split up and meet at other member's houses during the week for Bible study and prayer. Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head. I'm sure there would be problems and I'm sure I'm forgetting something but whatever. Anyone want to join? Membership is by repentance and faith in Christ. After becoming a member you would be baptized because of the remission of your sins.

[FaithAlone]

oh yeah and there would be no stage in front of the church. Any teaching would be on the same level as everyone else.

[Reformationist]

It'd just be a group of people on Sunday talking about all the sins they had commited throughout the week and why they believed they were bad.
And if we didn't believe they were bad we would talk about them until we finally saw them as God sees them.
We'd read our bibles and wait for other people to show up.

We'd have no building, we'd just do it in open areas like a park or something, and we'd put a sign up stating that the ground was being used for the worship of God.
Concerning tithes, if you have aught in your heart, you must first clear the aught and THEN you bring your tithe.

I think it'll be called the "Repentant Sinner's" denomination.
And it'll be the "First Church of the Repentant Sinner".

What does everyone else think?

I'm wondering why you think you need to be a new denomination to do that. Also, is there more to it than simply talking about your sins? Are you planning on preaching the Gospel as well? :confused:

God bless

[Reformationist]

Nope. It's because I can't fellowship with anyone in this town.

Why not? :scratch:

[treasurewords]

James 5:16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
There's nothing wrong with the principle. I don't know if you need an entirely new denomination for it though.

You're right. I suppose I'm asking for the same thing everyone else is.
REVIVAL, plain and simple.

Yet... in America and all first world, material driven countries that are nearly IMPOSSIBLE to live in without having your attention drawn away from Christ in some way, I don't see how we can go to church well with ourselves when destitute villagers in missionary countries such as Bulgaria and Romania will PRAY FOR HOURS INTO THE NIGHT THANKING GOD AND REPENTING OF THEIR SINS.
Something's just not right with the majority of the (universal/catholic) Church in this country and it grieves me.

But then again, Christ said to those who He forgave (and I paraphrase here) "Your sins have been forgiven. Be of good cheer and go and sin no more."

My mind ponders two things:
Is it expected that after conversion we happily go through life singing the praises of Jesus and loving one another? Knowing that no matter what we do Jesus forgives us if we simply confess that we have willfully sinned (in all cases of our willful sin after conversion)?
OR
Is it expected that after conversion we enter into an attitude of "Oh wretched man that I am?" Knowing that having gained a place in the Kingdom, yet still desiring to sin, we are so unworthy for the kingdom, and are MOVED TO (as opposed to "Repentence is expected, therefore I will make myself become repentent") repentence simply because we know this?

I'm concluding that it's a balance between the two, and that our Christian walk is going from one extreme to the other.

[treasurewords]

I agree also.

I already don't like the fact that the Church has allowed itself to be divided as much as it has. Remember, Christ prayed for the unity of his Church:



I honestly believe that the *correct* course of action would be to pray about it for a while. Make a list of complaints that you see in your church--MAKE THEM ONLY COMPLAINTS that violate the Bible's commands for the church. Then prayerfully take them to your pastor.

You should not separate yourself from this world, rather you should penetrate it and let God conform it to His will.

Yes... If you'll have noticed, I admit that I allowed my experience with God and my realization that I was a wretched sinner (literally feeling sick to my stomach with my sins) to lead me to believe that I had experienced some unique revelation, and that because no one else that I have met personally, nor do the churches I go to DISPLAY THE FRUIT OF ONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED (knowing good and bad fruit is CRUCIAL to knowing who's in and who's not).

YET... I see something amiss and know in my heart something can and should be done and now I simply sit and pray on the matter, and GROW IN THE SINCERE MILK like the true babe in Christ I am.

UGH! I walked in the world and played with the knowledge of how to be saved! It's as if the attitude is "Well, I'll sin a little bit this time, I went to the altar a while back and was saved, and besides, Jesus forgave all of my sins at the cross" and it makes me very sad.
What's that warning in the book of II Peter? (I believe the context is appropriate to use here, the second chapter which the verse comes from deals with "false prophets", but children and those who straddle the fence, if your heart convicts you that you are one of they... repent before it's too late!)
I don't know how to use the bible tag for II Peter 2:20-21 but look at it.

I love all who profess to know Him, and the emotion expressed here is out of that love.
:prayer:

[Reformationist]

My mind ponders two things:
Is it expected that after conversion we happily go through life singing the praises of Jesus and loving one another?

Of course not. One of the things that a deepening relationship with a holy God shows us is our own resident iniquity. This often brings us to despair. The comfort to Christians is not just in knowing that the Lord has made us a part of His family but that He is with us and is always working on our behalf to conform us to the image of righteousness.

OR
Is it expected that after conversion we enter into an attitude of "Oh wretched man that I am?" Knowing that having gained a place in the Kingdom, yet still desiring to sin, we are so unworthy for the kingdom, and are MOVED TO (as opposed to "Repentence is expected, therefore I will make myself become repentent") repentence simply because we know this?

An accurate view of our own iniquity should drive us to our knees in prayer and thanksgiving. It is the shame of our iniquity and the thanksgiving of His love that compels us after conversion.

Remember, we are called to be disciples of His Truth. That is a disciplined learner of His truth that we may apply It in our lives in seeking everlasting life with our Creator in blessed community.

God bless

[MbiaJc]

It'd just be a group of people on Sunday talking about all the sins they had commited throughout the week and why they believed they were bad.
And if we didn't believe they were bad we would talk about them until we finally saw them as God sees them.
We'd read our bibles and wait for other people to show up.

We'd have no building, we'd just do it in open areas like a park or something, and we'd put a sign up stating that the ground was being used for the worship of God.
Concerning tithes, if you have aught in your heart, you must first clear the aught and THEN you bring your tithe.

I think it'll be called the "Repentant Sinner's" denomination.
And it'll be the "First Church of the Repentant Sinner".

What does everyone else think?


I think that the least thing Jesus Christ needs is another denomination.

[MbiaJc]

Posted by treasurewords


Yes... If you'll have noticed, I admit that I allowed my experience with God and my realization that I was a wretched sinner (literally feeling sick to my stomach with my sins) to lead me to believe that I had experienced some unique revelation, and that because no one else that I have met personally, nor do the churches I go to DISPLAY THE FRUIT OF ONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED (knowing good and bad fruit is CRUCIAL to knowing who's in and who's not).




The Bible tells us to inspect the froot to see if its good or bad. However that does not tell us who in and who out? Only God knows that.

What is crucial is to know the Spiritual Body of Christ. God has no respect of persons, so there is no big I and little u we are all brethern.

Here is a list of the body parts and their function. If you will study it out and sharpen your gifts by reason of use, you will be able to tell where every member fits.

THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST

MEMBER: Of the body of Christ, the first three are given by Christ Himself and all are set in the church by GOD, each person has one or more.

Compare 1Corinthians 12:28 & Ephesians 4:11

apostles

prophets

teachers (evangelist, pastor teacher) Compare 1Cor. 12:28 with Eph. 4:11

miracles

healings (medical remedies)

helps

governments (of Latin origin, to steer) (figuratively) directorship (in the church)

diversities of tongues

OFFICE: The ability, the way the Spirit works through us (The work to be done). Each member can hold one, or more or all offices, but not likely.

Romans 12

Prophecy

ministry

teaching

exhorting

giving

ruling

mercy

love

hope

enthusiasm

hope

patience

MANIFESTATION: The way the Spirit works in us. The Spirit works in each member in one or more of these ways.

1 Corinthians. 12:1-10

wisdom

knowledge

faith (given by GOD)

healing (medical remedies)

miracles

prophecy

discerning of spirits

tongues

interpretation of tongues



All are here except the Office of Bishop(Eledr being the man Bishop the office) and Office of Deacon. The reason they are not listed above is they are to be given by the Church.

[- DRA -]

It'd just be a group of people on Sunday talking about all the sins they had commited throughout the week and why they believed they were bad.
And if we didn't believe they were bad we would talk about them until we finally saw them as God sees them.
We'd read our bibles and wait for other people to show up.

We'd have no building, we'd just do it in open areas like a park or something, and we'd put a sign up stating that the ground was being used for the worship of God.
Concerning tithes, if you have aught in your heart, you must first clear the aught and THEN you bring your tithe.

I think it'll be called the "Repentant Sinner's" denomination.
And it'll be the "First Church of the Repentant Sinner".

What does everyone else think?

Why not just obey the gospel of Christ and be added to the Lord's church like the Jews did in Acts 2:38,41,47?

Consider . . . Jesus promised to build His church (Matt. 16:13-18). He built it and adds the saved to it (Acts 2:47). He purchased it with His own blood (Acts 20:28).

Jesus said, "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." (Matt. 15:13 KJV).

[julian the apostate]

24Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.



27“The owner's servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28“ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29“ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them


you know i dont usually disagree with jesus (at least not publicly) but in this case i think we should just go ahead and take a vote on who is in and who is out

the standard i think that will afford the easiest way to tell is,,,,

anyone who does not think exactly as i do

(willing to give some leeway here, as i am sure you have absolutely no idea what i think, so there will be a "grace" period to give you all a chance to get up to speed)

peace,,

and good luck

[woman.at.the.well]

James 5:16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
There's nothing wrong with the principle. I don't know if you need an entirely new denomination for it though.

I agree with shataytay. Confession of sin is something that should be done all the time when we are talking to Him on a daily basis, not just on Sunday.

[Mea Culpa]

I think the only reason a person would want to start a new denomination is the same reason why all denominations got here. So that history will remember them as the person who started a new denomination.

That is pretty good! Demoninations are not of God, they are created for and by man.

[Letalis]

Yes, another denomination is JUST what we need! *rolls eyes*

[treasurewords]

Yes, another denomination is JUST what we need! *rolls eyes*
Did you read the post where I basically stated "This post and idea were born out of a prideful attitude and I hold myself in error"?

[gracefaith]

When did denomination become such a dirty word? It's just two or more churches sharing mutually held doctrines, worship styles and supporting the same missionaries. Just because we are "non-denom" doesn't mean we should treat denominations like they came from the devil. You look and see divisions. I look and see a bunch of unions which is one step closer to a whole.

[daverain]

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Hey!
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Overturn The Tables!

Get Rid Of Blind-scribe Teachings!

No More -old Wineskins- For Teachers!

Throw Out The Leaven Of The Pharisees!

Teach Truth About Marriage!

No More Satanic Lies!




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[Cjwinnit]

We do need a new style of church (actually old like the first church) that's back to basics and doesn't put men on a pedestal. If the church has a choir I think they should go in the back. I like to worship with instruments but I would love to switch it up with a cappella also from time to time. We would take the Lord's Supper every week not because it keeps us saved like some believe but because we want to do it often in memory of Christ. There would be deacons and elders so that if there was only one preacher he would be accountable. I don't mind a building because it can get pretty cold outside sometimes : ) I think we would meet for lunch around 11-12 and then have one service after lunch where there would be prayer, singing, communion and teaching. There would be a time for members to share anything that they feel like God is showing them. Then we would hang out together as long as we felt before going out to witness at a set area. Then we would go home for the day. We would split up and meet at other member's houses during the week for Bible study and prayer. Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head. I'm sure there would be problems and I'm sure I'm forgetting something but whatever. Anyone want to join? Membership is by repentance and faith in Christ. After becoming a member you would be baptized because of the remission of your sins.

You just described an Anglican church.

[julian the apostate]

cj cjwinnit!!

good point!

LOL