Essential Truth

[abednego]

Essential Truth
Core Doctrines for All Bible Believers:

- Verbal Inspiration of the Scriptures
- Blood Atonement
- Second Coming of Christ
- Virgin Birth of Christ
- Deity of Christ
- Salvation by Grace

Salvation
- Salvation is Free - God desires the salvation of all, the Gospel invites all, the HOly Spirit strives with all, and whosoever will may come and take of the water of life freely
-Freedom of Will - The human will is free and selfcontrolled, having power to yield to the influence of the truth and the Spirit, or to resist them and perish
-Perserverance - All believers in Christ, who through grace persevere in holiness to the end of life, have promise of eternal salvation

[wvmtnkid]

Are you wanting to know if Wesleyan's believe what you posted above?

[herev]

Abednego, what is the point of this thread? Please clarify. Thanks

[abednego]

Are you wanting to know if Wesleyan's believe what you posted above?

NO it says what it says its just the essential truths - i mean for any and all bible believers- nothing to do with denomanation just bible believers, the word of God is the truth and thats all there is too it!

[abednego]

Abednego, what is the point of this thread? Please clarify. Thanks

Its the essential truths for all that believe in the bible i mean its not a question or anything its just for all bible believers! If that doesnt clear it up enough let me know an ill try harder cuz im in hurry sorry

[WesleyJohn]

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[abednego]

I'm not sure why you have listed "verbal inspiration" as a core belief.

Do you mean by this that you think people have to believe that God dictated word-for-word what would be in Scripture?

I'm also not quite clear as to what your intent is with the OP. Would you like us to evaluate the statement? Are you just telling us what you believe? Or are you telling us what you think we need to believe?

Thanks!

Grace and Peace,

WJ

wesley john - God did dictated word-for-word that would be in the Scripture thats why its called Gods holy word ---- 2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2 Peter 1:17
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Peter 1:18
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2 Peter 1:19
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

"verbal inspiration" ---- The preached word of God bares recorded with the bible which........ when God is preaching through someone its all backed up by the bible and the bible is backed up by God preaching through men.

Whats op ? haha sry ....... i think you are talking about why did i post this like the others that ask the same question and im gonna give you the same anwser i gave them --- this is about the bible no denomination or anything if you believe in the bible then you believe that statement :amen: ? The bible is Gods word no one can agrue with it they only try. Its the Truth the bible is all truth! So those are the Essential truths! hopE That anwsered you question! Thanks for reading and post back if you have more, or any thoughts you may have! Thanks :thumbsup:

[ClementofRome]

Just a simple question abednego, was Mark 16:9-20 verbally communicated by God to John Mark?

[herev]

;) Just a simple question abednego, was Mark 16:9-20 verbally communicated by God to John Mark?;)

[WesleyJohn]

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[MbiaJc]

Essential Truth
Core Doctrines for All Bible Believers:

- Verbal Inspiration of the Scriptures
- Blood Atonement
- Second Coming of Christ
- Virgin Birth of Christ
- Deity of Christ
- Salvation by Grace

Salvation
- Salvation is Free - God desires the salvation of all, the Gospel invites all, the HOly Spirit strives with all, and whosoever will may come and take of the water of life freely
-Freedom of Will - The human will is free and selfcontrolled, having power to yield to the influence of the truth and the Spirit, or to resist them and perish
-Perserverance - All believers in Christ, who through grace persevere in holiness to the end of life, have promise of eternal salvation


:amen: :amen: and :amen: (i don't know why the amens are not flashing) I would just add to this That Jesus shed his bl;ood and died on the cross for our sins(which is the blood atonement) was buried and God raised him form the dead on the third day.

[abednego]

Just a simple question abednego, was Mark 16:9-20 verbally communicated by God to John Mark?


Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Mark 16:10
And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
Mark 16:11
And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
Mark 16:12
After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
Mark 16:13
And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
Mark 16:14
Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Mark 16:20
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

;)
So are you asking if God told the writers to write this or not? Ever word in the bible was wrote by God through his spirit in the writers. The people were eyewitnesses to this mark 16 9-20 but it was God that told them to write down. Is that what you were asking or what?
;)

[ClementofRome]

I was being my usual smart-aleky self....apologies. I certainly do not want to debate Mark 16:9-20...my point was that Mark 16:9-20 is highly suspect and is most likely a later addition to the Gospel of Mark. Even with a very high view of Scripture (which I have), if this is true, God did not speak it to Mark. Additionally, Papias tells us that Mark is writing the recollections of Peter, and not in any particular order. Does this then mean that God is verbally communicating these words to Peter's mind and then Peter is speaking them to John Mark and then John Mark is writing them down?

I am a believer in the inspiration of Scripture, but I am also of the opinion that it was a collaborative effort and that God inspired these men to write the truth, but the personality and peculiarness of each writer is preserved.

[abednego]

I'm just going to make an observation/question here...

There is room under the big-tent of Wesleyanism for someone who holds to verbal inspiration as well as someone who holds to a more dynamic view of inspiration.

Is there room under the big tent for someone who sees the tent as something much smaller?

(Let me take this out of the realm of biblical inspiration and put it somewhere else....

There are a great number of eschatalogical views within the Church of the Nazarene. I can work alongside someone who has adopted a pre-mil/pre-trib position complete with a 'secret rapture.' However, how do I respond when that person tries to make their eschatological views 'essential' to the Christian Faith...thereby excluding me from their tent?

*parenthetical thought over*)

Grace and Peace,

WJ


"how do I respond when that person tries to make their eschatological views 'essential' to the Christian Faith...thereby excluding me from their tent?"

If it is the word of God then move up to it draw closer to it. The word of God is true! If you are standing on the wrong side of the fence then get on the right side! Draw closer!

[WesleyJohn]

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[abednego]

I was being my usual smart-aleky self....apologies. I certainly do not want to debate Mark 16:9-20...my point was that Mark 16:9-20 is highly suspect and is most likely a later addition to the Gospel of Mark. Even with a very high view of Scripture (which I have), if this is true, God did not speak it to Mark. Additionally, Papias tells us that Mark is writing the recollections of Peter, and not in any particular order. Does this then mean that God is verbally communicating these words to Peter's mind and then Peter is speaking them to John Mark and then John Mark is writing them down?

I am a believer in the inspiration of Scripture, but I am also of the opinion that it was a collaborative effort and that God inspired these men to write the truth, but the personality and peculiarness of each writer is preserved.

God said what was to be wrote in the bible; it is his word and he said what to write down! I believe that if THEIR personality and THEIR peculiarness is preserved then it would not be the word of God. Thats just what i believe thou, and i believe what i believe is right, so i guess we disagree there then dont we? So what im getting from your post is that you dont believe God wrote every word of the bible? right?

[abednego]

I am of the opinion that there is a vast chasm between the following two statements:

1: The word of God is true!

2: Scriptures are verbally inspired.

I fully agree with statement one. I (and countless other devoted Christians) am not so sure about statement two.

I certainly would not dare suggest that someone who doesn't believe in verbal inspiration is somehow outside the tent of Salvation.

Grace and Peace,

WJ

Well im glad to hear you agree with statment number 1 thats great :thumbsup: but why dont you agree with statment 2 again? Im not to smart so dont use to big of words haha ... i wanna understand why?! But i also wasnt that clear and stating what that means in my post ... i believe that God wrote every word of the bible .... but mostly what i meant by verbally inspired scriptures -- is that the preached word of God is backing up the bible and the bible backing up the preaching ....... if that makes sense ?? alright thanks for reading.

[elanor]

I am of the opinion that there is a vast chasm between the following two statements:

1: The word of God is true!

2: Scriptures are verbally inspired.

I fully agree with statement one. I (and countless other devoted Christians) am not so sure about statement two.

I certainly would not dare suggest that someone who doesn't believe in verbal inspiration is somehow outside the tent of Salvation.

Grace and Peace,

WJ

And I, for one, am very grateful that the Wesleyan denominations allow a place for those of us who love the Lord, but cannot quite agree with the scriptures being inspired in the way that some of our more literal brethren understand that assertion. :) I believe that God's grace is big enough to include us with all our varying understandings of this subject.

[ClementofRome]

God said what was to be wrote in the bible; it is his word and he said what to write down! I believe that if THEIR personality and THEIR peculiarness is preserved then it would not be the word of God. Thats just what i believe thou, and i believe what i believe is right, so i guess we disagree there then dont we? So what im getting from your post is that you dont believe God wrote every word of the bible? right?

So, at the risk of sinking myself further into the quagmire, in a final question, I would only ask: every word of what Bible?

[ClementofRome]

And I, for one, am very grateful that the Wesleyan denominations allow a place for those of us who love the Lord, but cannot quite agree with the scriptures being inspired in the way that some of our more literal brethren understand that assertion. :) I believe that God's grace is big enough to include us with all our varying understandings of this subject.

Bless you.

[abednego]

So, at the risk of sinking myself further into the quagmire, in a final question, I would only ask: every word of what Bible?


"quagmire" --- awesome word --- every word of what bible ? this is only one bible the bible is Gods holy word! But you're right there are fakes out there- so you mean what version right? KJV all the way! I like that word! nice

[ClementofRome]

"quagmire" --- awesome word --- every word of what bible ? this is only one bible the bible is Gods holy word! But you're right there are fakes out there- so you mean what version right? KJV all the way! I like that word! nice

Thank you for that clarification. That is all.

Blessings to you.

[abednego]

Thank you for that clarification. That is all.

Blessings to you.

You are most welcome!

[wvmtnkid]

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Hi folks! Just your friendly neighborhood mod stepping in for a minute.....

I have been watching this thread and it seems to be heading down the road to a debate (actually in some places in may already be there). Wesley's Parish is probably not the best place for this type of conversation to be had. I am going to suggest that one of the Theology forums would be a better place to continue this or even via PM. I know that even in the Wesleyan tradition we don't all have the same beliefs, but I would rather this be a place for us to focus on our similarities and acknowledge the differences but not alienate those who believe differently than our personal belief. I am not saying this has been done, but there is a potential.

Thank you for your cooperation in this manner!

Mod Hat OFF

[ClementofRome]

Thanks for the reminder. I have officially bowed out.
CofR

[abednego]

little late haha j/k better late then never right !