Final post in this forum

[UberLutheran]

I enjoyed this forum -- probably more than any other denomination-specific forum on CF, because we share so much in common both in theology and practice, but one of your posters left this little gem:

This is a forum for Anglicans (and Old Catholics as they do not have a forum.) There is a Lutheran Forum, please use it.

Since the Lutherans are all too often busy discussing whether members of the ELCA are "heterodox", or if our Presiding Bishop Mark Hansen is "sufficiently Lutheran", or if sacraments distributed by a female pastor are "valid" -- I really don't feel comfortable over on that forum.

I have since removed as many of my posts here as I could find. I'd love to stay, but I'm not going to stay in a place where it's so completely obvious I'm not welcome.

I would love to have felt like it was OK to stay here. Alas: 'twas not to be.

[Zacharias]

Don't leave!!! :(

[RobNJ]

please Stay!!!!!!!!!

[pmcleanj]

Please be assured, that there are days when I am not 100% welcome here. And days when Colabomb is not. And Poly, and PV, and all the rest.

Like now, for example, when I've hurt a bunch of feelings by referring to them as "all the rest". You just had a stressful business meeting. It's too bad you have to come back from it and feel stressed here, too. Alas, we are Anglicans, and all of us speak from our own hearts and none of us has authority to speak for any others.

I know that the voices that hurt always ring louder than the voices that soothe. But please listen to the littler voices, too. And remember that often the voices that hurt are themselves crying out in need or pain or fear, and may need as much compassion from you as you need from them.

It would be a grace to us, were you to choose to stay.

[PaladinValer]

Actually, an amendment I proposed has been getting some positive attention. It will allow ECLAs like yourself "partial membership status" in STR. Please stay until we can perhaps get that amendment passed and then you may be able to participate at a level beyond that of even fellowship status (ie: Not Anglican or Old Catholic).

[Brian Augustyn]

Like they said: don't go!

However much that one poster may think otherwise, Uber, he does not speak for all of us. Not by a long shot.

Of course you are welcome.

I wish you'd reconsider your departure, but I understand how you feel. Even one door slammed in your face can sting.

Blessings,
Brian

[julian the apostate]

no no no no no no

ammendment for rule change to allow uberlutheran to be considered anglican for the purposes of this forum -- blanket indulgence for anything he has done, is considering doing or will actually do , depending on whim and circumstance in the future.


ps how did your meeting go today?

[Iron Sun 254]

You are welcome in our churches and you are welcome here.

[AveMaria]

UberLutheran, please don't go - You contribute so much to this forum. Please be assured that your presence here is valued and appreciated, and in my book, you're quite welcome here. (The Lutheran forum doesn't seem terribly friendly to ELCA from what I've seen!)

If you leave, I shall hunt you down at Complines and pester you!

[Father Rick]

I enjoyed this forum -- probably more than any other denomination-specific forum on CF, because we share so much in common both in theology and practice, but one of your posters left this little gem:

This is a forum for Anglicans (and Old Catholics as they do not have a forum.) There is a Lutheran Forum, please use it.

Since the Lutherans are all too often busy discussing whether members of the ELCA are "heterodox", or if our Presiding Bishop Mark Hansen is "sufficiently Lutheran", or if sacraments distributed by a female pastor are "valid" -- I really don't feel comfortable over on that forum.

I have since removed as many of my posts here as I could find. I'd love to stay, but I'm not going to stay in a place where it's so completely obvious I'm not welcome.

I would love to have felt like it was OK to stay here. Alas: 'twas not to be.As the most prominent Old Catholic here, let me make it clear.... some of the folks here don't like ME being here... and the whole purpose of the rule change was to make us OC's official...

Now, I remember seeing that post, but honestly don't remember who wrote it... so whoever it was don't take the following personally:

One thing about us here in STR is we all accept the fact that we can ALL be total jerks sometimes-- but we kiss and make up and keep going.


So stick around at least long enough to kiss and make up, then if you want to leave, so be it-- but at least it won't be on bad terms.

[TomUK]

As far as i could tell everyone hear has tried to make you welcome, including the poster you are referring for whom i have tremendous respect. It is merely a case of misinterpreting the intent of the post in question, in my opinion. In any case, statements such as:
but I'm not going to stay in a place where it's so completely obvious I'm not welcome are quite an exageration.

For what it's worth, i sincerely hope you find a second home here at STR.

[ps139]

For what its worth, I enjoy your posts Uber. I wish you will not leave. We have a nice group here and I think you fit in very well. :)

[CSMR]

I think everyone is allowed to post in this forum, as long as it is not argumentative or disruptive. Not that I have checked the rules.

[•Amadeus•]

I hope you don't leave, Uber... I'm rather new here. I only hope that I don't get the bum's rush out of here, myself. ;)

[gtsecc]

In reality, this seems to have become the forum for Non-RCC and Non-Eastern Orthodox, Catholics - And you seem to be quite the Catholic Lutheran, much like Martin Luther. Stay, and know that you are not only tolerated, but deeply appreciated here.

[julian the apostate]

the elca of america is in full communion with canterbury
but not with this forum

yet we have people from communions not in communion with canterbury who are fully welcomed in this forum

go figure

personally, i actually think there should be no rules period
the one barring non- christians i find odd

i think the rules should be revised to allow anyone christian or not
whosoever will, with general guidelines for posts that apply to everyone

[SirTimothy]

In reality, this seems to have become the forum for Non-RCC and Non-Eastern Orthodox, Catholics - And you seem to be quite the Catholic Lutheran, much like Martin Luther. Stay, and know that you are not only tolerated, but deeply appreciated here.

What I describe as the indigenous Orthodox churches. The Lutherans (German Orthodox), the Anglicans (English Orthodox) and the Old Catholics (Dutch? Orthodox), who deny the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome, but acknowledge their own history, and consider themselves in Apostolic succession, and being part of the OHCAC.

Timothy

[IowaLutheran]

I first attended a local Episcopal church about 2 1/2 years ago, and because everyone was so friendly, I have gone to their Wednesday noon eucharist ever since.

I have found this board to be equally inviting, so thank you!

[benedictine]

Uber, PLEASE DON'T GO!:cry:

[TomUK]

personally, i actually think there should be no rules period

:eek: An Anglican anarchist! ;)

[julian the apostate]

yes i am
dorothy day said the following was the basis for christian anarchism

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

(and the law is helpless to produce such things)

[Songspinner]

:scratch: Since when does one Anglican Speek for all of us....Did we become Roman when I wasn't looking:confused:

So while I go with the majority and hope that you don't leave...if you do feel you have to move on...please don't think that this one person speeks for us all, and that we all think the same way.

[cenimo]

The only 'denominational' forums I've seen with no bickering is the Salvation Army ones...goes for another board also.
Go figure.

As for all the 'fine points' discussed on Christian boards....plain and simple, the further away we get from the salvation message, the weaker the theology. When we pass on no one is going to be waiting at the Pearly Gates asking you what the date was on the prayer book you used, for example.

[Colabomb]

I enjoyed this forum -- probably more than any other denomination-specific forum on CF, because we share so much in common both in theology and practice, but one of your posters left this little gem:

This is a forum for Anglicans (and Old Catholics as they do not have a forum.) There is a Lutheran Forum, please use it.

Since the Lutherans are all too often busy discussing whether members of the ELCA are "heterodox", or if our Presiding Bishop Mark Hansen is "sufficiently Lutheran", or if sacraments distributed by a female pastor are "valid" -- I really don't feel comfortable over on that forum.

I have since removed as many of my posts here as I could find. I'd love to stay, but I'm not going to stay in a place where it's so completely obvious I'm not welcome.

I would love to have felt like it was OK to stay here. Alas: 'twas not to be.
Some people on this board are taking what I said and adding all kinds of meaning I did not intend.

Perhaps I could have used better wording, Granted I am not the most eloquent speaker.

But, I welcome you to use this forum as any non-Anglican/Old Catholic would. Please, hang around. Post, have fun. The Rules here are fairly Lax, I like it that way.

My only issue is with "Full membership" as some are calling it. If we allow everyone to come and debate, there would be no reason for an Anglican forum in the first place.

Would it be fair for me to go to the Fundementalist board and expect full membership?

But please, Uber, stay. Have fun. It is not my goal to Run you off.

[julian the apostate]

cola<<My only issue is with "Full membership" as some are calling it. If we allow everyone to come and debate, there would be no reason for an Anglican forum in the first place.

i think it is more problematic that members of schismatic anglican groups have full membership (much more so)


but i think the no rule is the anglican way

[CSMR]

This thread is over-the-top. Let's bring it to an end.

[UberLutheran]

I first attended a local Episcopal church about 2 1/2 years ago, and because everyone was so friendly, I have gone to their Wednesday noon eucharist ever since.

I have found this board to be equally inviting, so thank you!

Communion one day a week, on Sunday mornings, just isn't enough for me.

I attend services at an Episcopal church for their noon Communion Service on Tuesdays and Fridays. They know who I am, that I belong to "that kind" of church, and evidently no one has any problem with it -- especially considering that on several occasions when the Communion assistant didn't show up, I've pitched in and assisted with Communion. (It helps a lot that the Episcopal and Lutheran services are so similar!)

[Bonifatius]

Dear ÜberLutheran and dear All!

I must admit that I am surprised! I always thought we GERMANS were world champions in having rules and following them. ;)
The appearance of you, ÜberLutheran, in this forum was a joy and I can't see where you ever said something that was offensive to Anglicans.

Without the mix of denominations there may be discussion, but there certainly is no ECLAT (following a sentence of Toby Litt who said this about sexes :) ). And ECLAT is what we want, isn't it? Otherwise forums would be boring ... :cool:

So, ÜberLutheran, don't just be an "ÜberLutheraner", be an "Übermensch" and and stay with us, Bruder!!!

Greetings
Bonifatius