Really like the Quadrilateral

[greenjacket5]

I had just finsihed reading some documents/summaries of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Someone on another board here had asked what is the main difference between Baptist and Methodist churches. Among many others is the difference of

BAPTISTS-Sola Scripture

METHODISTS-Wesleyan Quadrilateral, which basically states, with 1) Scripture first, but understanding of life and the Church must also include 2) Reason, 3) Tradition, and 4) Expierence, in that order, thus allowing for possible flaws/condradictions in the Bible.

Where do Lutherans fall into this category? I understand obviously Lutherans dont officially subscribe to the Quadrilateral, but do Lutherans and Lutheran pastors lean more towards the Baptists or Methodists in this situation?

[greenjacket5]

, thus allowing for possible flaws/condradictions in the Bible.
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i should have said thus MAKING sense of flaws/condratictions in the Bible//Scriptures

[SPALATIN]

I had just finsihed reading some documents/summaries of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Someone on another board here had asked what is the main difference between Baptist and Methodist churches. Among many others is the difference of

BAPTISTS-Sola Scripture

METHODISTS-Wesleyan Quadrilateral, which basically states, with 1) Scripture first, but understanding of life and the Church must also include 2) Reason, 3) Tradition, and 4) Expierence, in that order, thus allowing for possible flaws/condradictions in the Bible.

Where do Lutherans fall into this category? I understand obviously Lutherans dont officially subscribe to the Quadrilateral, but do Lutherans and Lutheran pastors lean more towards the Baptists or Methodists in this situation?

Baptists to my understanding say they believe in Sola Scriptura, but only insofar as to reject Roman Catholicism and tradition. By rejecting any tradition whatsoever, they then are only left with Scripture alone.


Lutheran's have a tradition, but it is not exactly the same as the Roman Catholics. Lutheran tradition is steeped in the Book of Concord which includes the Ecumenical creeds, Augsburg Confession, Apology of the Augsburg Confession, Smalcald articles, Formula of Concord, Catechisms, The Epitome of the Formula of Concord.

If I were to say which one we are closest too in the confessions I suppose that Methodists, but really they are equally far apart on many things.

Maybe others here will disagree with my assessment, but I think that I am pretty close to the truth.

[greenjacket5]

SLStrohkirch,

Appreciate the response. That actually was very helpful. :thumbsup: Anyone else?

[Dr. Martin Luther]

....flaws, contradictions in the Holy Bible? Balderdash!

[ChiRho]

I had just finsihed reading some documents/summaries of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Someone on another board here had asked what is the main difference between Baptist and Methodist churches. Among many others is the difference of

BAPTISTS-Sola Scripture

METHODISTS-Wesleyan Quadrilateral, which basically states, with 1) Scripture first, but understanding of life and the Church must also include 2) Reason, 3) Tradition, and 4) Expierence, in that order, thus allowing for possible flaws/condradictions in the Bible.

Where do Lutherans fall into this category? I understand obviously Lutherans dont officially subscribe to the Quadrilateral, but do Lutherans and Lutheran pastors lean more towards the Baptists or Methodists in this situation?

Umm... we dont believe that there is flaws/errors/contradictions in Holy Scripture. We believe that God's Holy Word (Divinely inspired and completely infallible) was recorded perfectly by the original vessels (the men) and that it is this way because God caused it to be (and promises us this in His Word). True, some copied manuscripts may contain mis-spellings, wrong or varying grammer, etc, but enough copies were made with so few errors- that we have today- we can be certain of what the originals said.

We accept Scripture as it has been given to us. We are bound to His Holy Word, and cannot speak otherwise. What Authority do we turn to during those times that our reason directs against His Holy Word? The Word made flesh, Christ Himself.

"But others make a detour and purposely, as it were, avoid Christ, so do they put off approaching Him with the text. As for me, when I have a text that is like a nut with a hard shell, I immediately dash it against the Rock and find the sweetest kernel."

-Martin Luther

As for the Methodist and the Baptist...it doesnt matter because both theologies are of equal distance away from Lutherans on the fundamental issue of Free Will. Neither are similiar in substance, but outwardly probably the Methodists (but there are extremes of Methodism that would seem to be Baptist and vice versa).

Pax

Chi

[greenjacket5]

Umm... we dont believe that there is flaws/errors/contradictions in Holy Scripture.
Chi

Do Roman Catholics believe this too?

[ChiRho]

Do Roman Catholics believe this too?


I doubt it...you should ask them though.