Sheol, Paradise, Heaven, Hell, Purgatory

[benedictine]

I'm interested in the various definitions( I know what Heaven and Hell are, of course, but I included them becouse of the others.

[lonnienord]

personally i want to go to heaven. And i really find that loving GOD and practicing HIS presence makes here at least a little bit heavenly!!

all for JESUS!!
lonnie

[Misty Minister]

My def of Heaven, Malibu on a perfect day.

[Misty Minister]

My def of Hell, Any political convention held when the temp is 90F and the Humidity is 90. the hot steamy air makes it worse and worse, and the ideas that lack god, Barf.

Another Hell is a Roman Catholic Philapino wedding in summer in a hot humid church. Been there done that and am going to the beach.

[benedictine]

That's not what I meant. I'm not exactly sure what Sheol is, and I've a vauge idea of Paradise and Purgatory.

[PaladinValer]

Sheol is the abode of the dead. It is divided into two parts; paradice and hades

Paradice is where those who've been deemed righteous will dwell until the coming Resurrection.

Hades is where those who've been deemed not righteous enough or unrighteous will dwell until the coming Resurrection.

Purgatory is the Vatican Catholic idea of the system above.

Heaven is the abode of the Blessed Triune God, His celestial court, and all the OT saints as well as St. Mary the Theotokos. It will be the permanent home of those whom Jesus deems righteous and those who receive and accept God's mercy.

Hell is the currently empty abode of those who simply reject God. Presumeably, it will be filled after the Judgment with the demons, fallen angels, and the Devil as well as those who were unrighteous and/or didn't accept God's mercy. However, it is only up to God Himself to how full hell shall be. It could, theoretically, not be filled at all, though I sadly doubt this. It is a place where God's Presence and Grace and Peace are utterly abscent.

There is a "window" between heaven and hell, so that those who've condemned themselves and those who accepted God's Grace and Mercy can actually view each other. One will pity the other and that other will weep and gnash their teeth for their foolishness.

[benedictine]

Thanks Paladin Valer!

[PaladinValer]

If you want Benedictine, here's an excellent webpage on exactly what happens upon our deaths. While it is written by a minister of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) denomination, he agrees with the Traditional belief that is still believed in an taught by...the Eastern Orthodox Church! :)

http://www.kencollins.com/question-45.htm

**Note: I neither necessarily agree with nor disagree with anything else on the above website to which the webpage is a part of.

[benedictine]

Thanks!

[•Amadeus•]

Hell = wherever Bill Gates is going

Heaven = wherever my dog is going

[benedictine]

What's up with Bill Gates?

[•Amadeus•]

What's up with Bill Gates?

Well, everyone says he is the devil, or the anti-christ, or somehow evil. Remember the blue screen of death? Does anyone like him? :confused:

Besides, it was a joke. :doh:

[UberLutheran]

Sheol is the abode of the dead. It is divided into two parts; paradice and hades

Paradice is where those who've been deemed righteous will dwell until the coming Resurrection.

Paradice are what is thrown onto a gambling table in Las Vegas or Shreveport in a game of craps, or used to determine how many spaces a player moves in board games such as Monopoly.

Paradise is where those who have been deemed righteous dwell until the Resurrection.

I was raised by a prescriptive grammarian, and old indoctrinations die hard.

[pmcleanj]

Paradice are what is thrown onto a gambling table in Las Vegas or Shreveport in a game of craps.
If you use para-dice, won't the Nevada Gaming Commission come down on you like a load of bricks? Surely only authentic actual dice are permitted...

sits back to see who's next to try to one-up me!

[benedictine]

Besides, it was a joke. :doh: I know. :)

[Wigglesworth]

Paradice are what is thrown onto a gambling table in Las Vegas or Shreveport in a game of craps, or used to determine how many spaces a player moves in board games such as Monopoly.

Paradise is where those who have been deemed righteous dwell until the Resurrection.

I was raised by a prescriptive grammarian, and old indoctrinations die hard.

Shouldn't it read: "Paradice is what are thrown . . ."

Pair is a singular noun.

[UberLutheran]

Shouldn't it read: "Paradice is what are thrown . . ."

Pair is a singular noun.

...because Strunk's The Elements of Style suddenly fell out of my bin onto my desk!

(We had THREE testaments at my house when I was growing up: the Old Testament, the New Testament, and Strunk's Elements of Style -- and I know a sign from Heaven when I see it!)

[cenimo]

Where's Valhalla fit in?

just kidding....
but since Purgatory was mentioned....

[Polycarp1]

If you use para-dice, won't the Nevada Gaming Commission come down on you like a load of bricks? Surely only authentic actual dice are permitted...

sits back to see who's next to try to one-up me!

I betcha 20 cents I can change the paradigms on which this thread is founded! ;)

[PaladinValer]

I know...I know...my grammar is wretched. Then again, I'm a historian, not a grammarian ;)

[benedictine]

You could study the History of grammer :)

[Misty Minister]

That's not what I meant. I'm not exactly sure what Sheol is, and I've a vauge idea of Paradise and Purgatory.
You might ask the Jews about sheol.
I looked up this link.
http://new.jpdawson.com/newsltrs/newsltr10.htm
It contained this info and much more
The Hebrew Old Testament uses the term sheol most often to speak of the place of the dead.


The exact meaning of sheol is unknown. That the term refers to the abode of the dead is certain. Whether it ever referred to a place of punishment is questionable in some circles. T. H. Gaster says that it does not: "Nowhere in the OT is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment. The concept of an infernal 'hell' developed in Israel only during the Hellenistic period, probably under the influence of Iranian ideas."

[PaladinValer]

Naaah; grammar is boring anyway...

**runs like the wind**

[benedictine]

***Runs after paladin Valer, cathches him, nad hands him a grammer textbook***

[UberLutheran]

...we're going to need a paradox!

Nan-ner, nan-ner, nan-ner.... ^_^

[PaladinValer]

***Runs after paladin Valer, cathches him, nad hands him a grammer textbook***

You should talk, silly ;)

**Takes it anyway and proceeds to chace him around the 'Alehouse, bopping him over the head with the 10-pound grammar book** :D :P

:hug:

[benedictine]

***Takes grammer book from Paladin, runs to the Cantebury Alehouse.***

[Zacharias]

I heard this on EWTN.



TV remote=flesh
battery=soul

When the remote is broken(body dies) the battery(soul) is checked out.

1) If the battery works it's put in a nice place(heaven).

2) If the battery doesn't work it's put in a battery recharger(purgatory).
***a) Afterwards if the battery works it's put in a nice place(heaven).
***b) Afterwards if the battery still doesn't work it's put in the trash(hell).

[julian the apostate]

only problem with the battery thing is that in catholic theology no one in purgatory goes to hell

[Zacharias]

only problem with the battery thing is that in catholic theology no one in purgatory goes to hell

A Roman Catholic monk used that analogy to explain purgatory to children.

[Wigglesworth]

I heard this on EWTN.



TV remote=flesh
battery=soul

When the remote is broken(body dies) the battery(soul) is checked out.

1) If the battery works it's put in a nice place(heaven).

2) If the battery doesn't work it's put in a battery recharger(purgatory).
***a) Afterwards if the battery works it's put in a nice place(heaven).
***b) Afterwards if the battery still doesn't work it's put in the trash(hell).

only problem with the battery thing is that in catholic theology no one in purgatory goes to hell

:idea:

The obvious solution, of course, is that the Pope will never allow a hellbound battery to be placed in a battery charger that is plugged in - the battery charger for hellbound batteries is a battery-operated charger with its own dead batteries. This is just a going-through-the-motions to give the appearance of justice. Even though the evil battery is placed in a charger, just like the good batteries, its fate has been sealed. Good batteries are placed in a charger that the Pope ensures is plugged in to an outlet.

Imagine the irony of being a dead battery and finding out that the battery charger doesn't work because the batteries are dead.

I'm thinking about applying for a job at the Vatican as a theologian. :)

[benedictine]

:idea:

The obvious solution, of course, is that the Pope will never allow a hellbound battery to be placed in a battery charger that is plugged in - the battery charger for hellbound batteries is a battery-operated charger with its own dead batteries. This is just a going-through-the-motions to give the appearance of justice. Even though the evil battery is placed in a charger, just like the good batteries, its fate has been sealed. Good batteries are placed in a charger that the Pope ensures is plugged in to an outlet.

Imagine the irony of being a dead battery and finding out that the battery charger doesn't work because the batteries are dead.

I'm thinking about applying for a job at the Vatican as a theologian. :)

Ummm....

[PaladinValer]

Wiggles, that isn't what the Vatican Catholics would say...

[Wigglesworth]

Wiggles, that isn't what the Vatican Catholics would say...

Well, of course not. Not yet. As I said,

I'm thinking about applying for a job at the Vatican as a theologian. :)

I will not allow them to adopt my finely crafted catechismic material until after I'm hired as the Cardinal of Purgatoriology. :D

[benedictine]

Cardinal Wigglesworth, Prefect of the Congregation on Purgatory.

[Wigglesworth]

** practices extending his hand for the kissing of his ring **

[benedictine]

I have problems with ring kissing.

[PaladinValer]

**Bites his finger off**

My...Presscious! gollum! gollum!

[Polycarp1]

:idea:

The obvious solution, of course, is that the Pope will never allow a hellbound battery to be placed in a battery charger that is plugged in - the battery charger for hellbound batteries is a battery-operated charger with its own dead batteries. This is just a going-through-the-motions to give the appearance of justice. Even though the evil battery is placed in a charger, just like the good batteries, its fate has been sealed. Good batteries are placed in a charger that the Pope ensures is plugged in to an outlet.

Imagine the irony of being a dead battery and finding out that the battery charger doesn't work because the batteries are dead.

I'm thinking about applying for a job at the Vatican as a theologian. :)

Seems like an awfully Calvinistic perspective -- the bad batteries were predestined not to be recharged, after all! :eek:

[Wigglesworth]

**Bites his finger off**

My...Presscious! gollum! gollum!

** clasps his Miraculous Medal with the other hand as the finger instantly regenerates with a perfectly manicured nail **

I didn't realize there would be this much power. :cool:

[PaladinValer]

He's a witch! He's a witch!

**ties him to a stake**

Where is AveMaria...she shouldn't be missing this.