Modernising the old salvo songs?

[chaplainjared]

on the weekend we had a youth boot camp that 3 corps attended, had about 60 kids all up and was fantastic. Great music and great teaching. The songs sung were a mixture of planet shakers, hillsong and SALVO songs.
All The songs were inspiring and lifting up giving praise to GOD, however the salvo songs seemed too be the most popular, but not in the old fashion...
We didnt have one single brass intstrument. We had keyboard, guitar, bass guitar and drums.
Ive never heard the old savo songs come to life like they did. all of a sudden they had a style we could relate to so the words came to life for us.
For a young passionate salvo, who loves being a salvo, but gets a little frustrated with the "were in the 1960's" mentality, these songs were absolutly fantastic. Perhaps we should be doing this more often?
Might draw more new people too?
I dont know a single person who would walk into a traditional salvo service and ENJOY the music, and after all arnt we supposed to be about seeing the unsaved saved? How can some corps not realise this? To much loving the 'army' and not the creator. How could we end up being so concerned about pleasing ourselves on a sunday morning, and not those who are perhaps searching?

Sorry, this posting wasnt supposed to be this long. I got a bit carried away!

[chaplainjared]

I dont know a single person who would walk into a traditional salvo service and ENJOY the music,

In saying this, im talking about any UNSAVED person.

[chickette]

I must say I like a lot of the older songs redone. Like "O Boundless Salvation" just a little bit faster!!!!!

Wat corps were involved in that?

[Evangelina]

:)

In my corps, a couple of the old songs have been put to new music, so we have the best of both worlds.

(oh yeah, and we just have an acoustic guitar and sometimes cello and/or violin...)

[chaplainjared]

Send the Fire
O Boundless Salvation

Fantastic!

[Abiel]

We had O boundless salvation and hold the fort performed by 100 hours, christian rock band at last years youth rally. That place was jumpin' !

[Andy Broadley]

And all of this would be fully in keeping with the origional principles of the Salvation Army. It was Booth himself who said 'why should the devil have all the best tunes'. A great many traditional Army songs were put to popular tunes of the day, in many cases taken from the music halls themselves.


So I see no reason why this process should not be an ongoing one. Some new songs have made their way through into our song book, and others have had new tunes out with them.

In this respect we are way ahead of most other denominations, aoart from the pentecostals.

[elm0]

You know what makes for an interesting afternoon...... telling people that any song can be put to the tune of the Gilligan's Island theme song. Some people will try and think of the most obscure songs so they can prove you wrong.

We actually sang Amazing Grace at a church camp to the tune, was interesting to see different people's reaction to it. Some obviously thought it was utterly wrong. What was surprising for some of the youth was having people come up to them afterwards and ask which song we were going to do at the next camp. The greatest thing was seeing the oldest couple at the camp get up on stage while the youth were singing and start dancing!

[Abiel]

Dont know 'gilligans island'- but once I heard 'o boundless salvation' to the tune of 'puff the magic dragon'...a surreal experience!

[elm0]

Dont know 'gilligans island'- but once I heard 'o boundless salvation' to the tune of 'puff the magic dragon'...a surreal experience!

:eek: You don't know Gilligan's Island? :confused:

It's a comedy TV show about a group of people that are shipwrecked on an island. Pretty old show.

[Abiel]

Don't reckon it's ever been shown in the UK. A sad loss to us all!

[elm0]

I wouldn't go that far.........

[Andy Broadley]

I think I've heard of Gilligans island, but I've never seen it.


Anyway, you can sing 'Gods love to me is wonderful' to the old coke tune 'I want to buy the world a coke'.

Bit old fashioned now I know, so come on , lets se what we can come up with.

[chaplainjared]

Gilligans Island HA HA HA thats funny.

ahhhhhhhhh hah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....

sorry, ill try to contain myself......

HA HA HA HA HA

opss i guess i cant!!

[chaplainjared]

anyone heard of veggie tales?

[Abiel]

You want to set army songs to veggie tales tunes, or veggie tales songs to army tunes???

[elm0]

You want to set army songs to veggie tales tunes, or veggie tales songs to army tunes???

ROFL, maybe just sing army songs with veggie tales voices......

[Abiel]

^_^ !

[Andy Broadley]

'International Staff Songsters sing Veggie Tales in C minor', featuring the well known medly 'Gilligans Veggie patch'!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D



I was getting worried for a bit. I thought all the threads were getting a bit heavy:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[elm0]

Never fear, sergeant elm0 is here :) :wave:

[TheDag]

We can have great fun in using different tunes for songs but try to remember not to isolate people who like the old tunes. There are some hymns that I've sung to a more modern beat and it has wrecked the song. To like the older tunes doesn't mean that you like the army more than the creator

[Andy Broadley]

Couldn't agree more. There are some things that are sacrosanct.

[Evangelina]

We can have great fun in using different tunes for songs but try to remember not to isolate people who like the old tunes. There are some hymns that I've sung to a more modern beat and it has wrecked the song. To like the older tunes doesn't mean that you like the army more than the creator

I think that's a good point. Where i see both 'camps' turning problematical is when the MUSIC is the issue in meetings, rather than meeting together to encourage one another and worship God together. Something I like about our church is that we use old and new... often more new(ish) I'll admit :) And I still haven't gotten up the courage to include Shine Jesus Shine... :D

[Abiel]

Shine Jesus Shine... :D


We do it with actions!

[Andy Broadley]

Actions?!!!;) *tut tut tut*


It's not Army...:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


Actually the Anglican church I worship at does sing 'Shine Jesus Shine'. It's an interesting experience hearing our 75 year old organist playing it and our somewhat 'mature' congregation singing it. They sing SJS in the same way (and tempo) as they sing 'O God our help in ages past'.

Nil desperandum. Rome wasn't built in a day....

[Victrixa]

Those old S.A. hymns are sooo awesome! :thumbsup: I still own my English S.A. Songbook as well as my French one! :)

[Abiel]

It's not Army...:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D




You have no idea how this phrase dogs my life!:P

[Andy Broadley]

Belive me, I can pretty much imagine. They can be an intransigent mob when they want to. A group of us once wanted to put together a meeting composed entirely of things that had been classed as 'not Army', but we couldn't get the idea past the Sanhedran. Thay said it wasn't......well you get the idea

[elm0]

I must be too new to the Army to have come across this. Or should 3 years be long enough to have heard it uttered a few times?

[Evangelina]

I must be too new to the Army to have come across this. Or should 3 years be long enough to have heard it uttered a few times?
Your corps is far too progressive. It's just not Army :D

[elm0]

Or maybe it's *too* Army.......

[Andy Broadley]

Hmmmmmmmmm.....................................

[elm0]

Well if I remember my history right, the Army was too progressive for some Christians at the start, so....... it would be totally Army wouldn't it?

[Abiel]

It just varies. It is individuals in some places, whole Corps in others. But it is one of the reasons why God is refreshing the Army with lots of first generationers who don't know any better!

[elm0]

I really wanna read some more Army history, it might come in handy if someone ever tells me "it's not Army"! But then again, my dad was Army (British Military that is), he always reckoned guerilla tactics work best ;)

[Abiel]

My dad was in the army too- bomb disposal.

[Evangelina]

I really wanna read some more Army history, it might come in handy if someone ever tells me "it's not Army"!

:) This will give you plenty of ammo - Booth's Drum (http://www.salvationarmy.com.au/supplies/product.asp?pID=5&cID=1)

[elm0]

My dad was in the army too- bomb disposal.

My dad did bomb disposal too. Usually he disposed of bombs by using them to blow things up though.

[someone_else]

lol

[Andy Broadley]

Elm0 - if you ever have insomnia at the same time as a thirst for Army history, I seem to recall reading a book on the history of the Army by General George Coutts. From what I remember of it, it would sort out the history and the insomnia.

On the subject of books, if anyone wants a real insight into Booth's vision for the Army then get hold of a copy of his book 'In darkest England and the way out'. And if anyone does find a copy, please post on here were they got it as I would like another copy (managed to lose mine).

[Evangelina]

Possibly not what you had in mind, but -

In Darkest England and the Way Out (http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/475)

[Andy Broadley]

We should create a new local officer post unique to Cyber Corps and immediately offer it to ITF.

The post of CG (Corps Googler)

[Evangelina]

We should create a new local officer post unique to Cyber Corps and immediately offer it to ITF.

The post of CG (Corps Googler)

LOL

[Evangelina]

Actually I didn't use google much on that one... had to remember the name of the site (Project Gutenberg) to find it! :) Creating a new thread on salvo resources, because I just found a couple I'd forgotten about.

[Andy Broadley]

Wow!! This girl is amazing...


Abiel, if you pick this post up, I think we might have an ideal candidate for Corps Sergeant Major.

[elm0]

*salutes* :doh:

I think I should take these crayons out of my nose for a few hours, my food is smelling waxy. :eek:

[elm0]

http://www.jesus.org.uk/vault/library/booth_darkest_england.pdf ;)

[Andy Broadley]

Awesome

[TheDag]

It just varies. It is individuals in some places, whole Corps in others. But it is one of the reasons why God is refreshing the Army with lots of first generationers who don't know any better!

Thats me I don't know any better!

[Abiel]

Andy, try www.abebooks.co.uk (http://www.abebooks.co.uk)
second hand dealers.

[SDA14]

yea