Sucat: the Great Evangelist of Ireland

[JM]

I found this site http://www.reformedreader.org/history/patrick.htm (http://www.reformedreader.org/history/patrick.htm) very interesting and thought I'd post a few lines from it.

(I don't know if this is true, it wasn't meant to be a post to prove or disprove facts listed on the site given, it's a post for pure interest.)

Sucat is now known as St. Patrick who, it is claimed, said: He says: "Go, ye, teach. Meet is the order of teaching, before baptism. For it cannot be that the body, receive the sacrament of baptism, before the soul receives the verity of faith." taken form "Tripartite Life of Patrick."

As a Baptist I find this quote interesting, faith before bapitsm...hummmm....

The site mentions that two popes lived during the time of Sucat and they didn't once mention his work in Ireland and Sucat doesn't mention any popes either.

He does use a lot of Scripture:

Quote: His writings overflow with Scripture. One hundred thirteen references or quotations from Holy Writ may be found in his two epistles and his alphabetical poem and, incidentally, there is never a mention of the merits of saints, salvation by sacraments, the Eucharist, relics or holy places...

After a google search I found another site:
http://www.calvaryroadbaptist.org/Article%20-%20St.%20Patrick%20A%20Baptist.htm (http://www.calvaryroadbaptist.org/Article%20-%20St.%20Patrick%20A%20Baptist.htm)

I took a quick look at a couple of St. Patty bio's and found that much of what is ascribed to him in way of teaching is 'assumed' to be common Roman Catholic belief at the time by the writter. (see Who was St. Patrick)

[ZiSunka]

There is and has been a lot of disagreement about whether or not Patrick was catholic. Catholicism claims he was based on the idea that before the reformation, every Christian was by default a catholic, since they don't recognize that any other sect of Christianity existed prior to Luthers 95 theses. However, what is know of his teachings does not jive with catholic doctrine.

It is known that many sects of Christians existed before the reformation, most of them are considered by catholicism to be heretical, but since the catholic definition of a herertic is anyone who refuses to acknowledge the magisterium of the Church, that doesn't mean they weren't Christians of orthodox belief.

For instance, Kubli Khan was a Christian when Marco Polo's father first made the trip to China. Polo sr was in the first band of western Christians ever to go into China, yet Khan was familiar with Christ and his teachings. He did not know any of the particularly Catholic doctrines, however, until Marco taught him. So, someone other than a catholic must have gone to China and told Khan about Christ. And in fact, Polo, in his journals, recounts meeting many Christians who were not Catholic on his journey. Many of these sects still exist and several of them have churches right here in the Mahoning Valley to this day.

Also, the Gothic Christians are given a bad rap, but many of their churches figured out where they were off-base theologically and spread their church around northern Europe outside the bounds of the Roman Empire where catholicism was predominant. They were the ones who put together about 75% of the Holy Bible NT into one volume of sacred writings that were reproduced and distributed widely centuries before the codification of the Bible by the Catholics was complete. The Gospels and most of the epistles were in this text.

Whether or not Patrick was a catholic will be debated until the Lord returns, but one thing is for sure, he was a man of God who cared so much about the souls of pagan Ireland that he was willing to give up all to return there to give them the Good News, and he should be considered a great saint and a great inspiriation to us all.

[JM]

One more time!

[ZiSunka]

:sigh:

[tulc]

That was interesting. Except for the jabs at the Roman Catholics. Ever read "How the Irish Saved Civilization"? If not you should! :)
tulc(gearing up for Saint Pattys day, we have a lot of gigs then!) ;)

[arunma]

For instance, Kubli Khan was a Christian when Marco Polo's father first made the trip to China. Polo sr was in the first band of western Christians ever to go into China, yet Khan was familiar with Christ and his teachings.

Wow, I didn't know that! Very interesting.

(See, it sometimes doesn't hurt to resurrect a really old thread.)

[JPPT1974]

Yeah it doesn't hurt to resurrect an old thread either
Way to go!