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Polycarp1
30th December 2004, 05:30 PM
I know that, except for the antidoron, the Orthodox tradition is to commune no person not known to be Orthodox. And I'm aware that bishops will, very rarely, dispense from that for extraordinary reasons.

But are there any cases where a member of another Christian communion is knowingly permitted to receive communion in an Orthodox Church? If so, what might they be?

This is not intended to be an argument about "closed Communion" or anything of the sort -- just an inquiry intended to better understand the mind of Orthodoxy on the subject.

twin
30th December 2004, 05:48 PM
No, there are no cases in which someone not Orthodox receives Holy Communion.

Moros
30th December 2004, 06:12 PM
No. An amusing thing is that the Roman Catholic canons allow for a Catholic to recieve Communion at an Orthodox church should there be no RC one around, but the OC does not permit giving it to them. :D

Oblio
30th December 2004, 07:19 PM
I think there have been cases where a clergy member was received into the Orthodox Church by celebrating the Divine Liturgy. Not precisely what you were asking, but close :)

Sort of like when we were asked what a non-Orthodox needed to do to be able to use our temple for a wedding ;)

Zacharias
30th December 2004, 09:02 PM
Sort of like when we were asked what a non-Orthodox needed to do to be able to use our temple for a wedding ;)

What do we need to do? ;)

Tulip
31st December 2004, 12:14 AM
No. An amusing thing is that the Roman Catholic canons allow for a Catholic to recieve Communion at an Orthodox church should there be no RC one around, but the OC does not permit giving it to them. :D

That's because RCC recognise the Orthodox churches as having valid sacraments, that also include Communion.

I would never ever make an attempt of receiving Communion in the Orthodox church. I have to much respect for you and your view on Communion. I have also come to understand by reading here that not all Othodox receive everytime you attend Divine Liturgy. You have to be properly disposed and have had a recent Confession where you haven't been told to abstain from receiving for a certain time as a penance among other things.

Moros
31st December 2004, 08:02 AM
I have also come to understand by reading here that not all Othodox receive everytime you attend Divine Liturgy.

That's true. I always assumed it was the same way for RC's? Can you take Communion at every mass regardless of whether or not you've confessed recently?

Polycarp1
31st December 2004, 03:08 PM
That's true. I always assumed it was the same way for RC's? Can you take Communion at every mass regardless of whether or not you've confessed recently?
This post is a bit out of place -- an Anglican expounding Catholic doctrine in an Orthodox forum :sorry: -- but the answer to this is that a Catholic can receive whenever he/she is not in a state of "mortal sin" according to the Catholic understanding of the classification of sin. A venial sin confessed (in one's heart) during the General Confession in the service is forgiven by act of the Communion -- but a mortal sin is sufficiently divisive that it requires priestly absolution to be forgiven.

For Anglicans, FWIW, the General Confession and Absolution during the liturgy admits one to the state of grace essential for proper communion, and one's sins are forgiven by the grace of God in the reception of communion.

Marjorie
31st December 2004, 03:27 PM
Here's a question-- I know that in the early Church sometimes non-clergy members would bring the Mysteries to those who were sick. I'm guessing that these sick people were not able to confess, considering that no clergy-member was present, so, how did that work?

In IC XC,
Marjorie

Michael the Iconographer
1st January 2005, 11:05 AM
Here's a question-- I know that in the early Church sometimes non-clergy members would bring the Mysteries to those who were sick. I'm guessing that these sick people were not able to confess, considering that no clergy-member was present, so, how did that work?

In IC XC,
Marjorie

That still happens in the Roman Catholic Church-the bringing of the sacred mysteries to a sick person by what are referred to as "Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist." The communicant is not able to confess prior to the Eucharist, and in my experience in the Roman Catholic Church no question is made of their spiritual readiness to recieve. The only problem with Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist is that they are anything but Extraordinary and often at a Mass there will be 1 priest and 2-4 EO's.