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TomUK
28th December 2004, 06:24 PM
I've also asked this in OBOB.

Prior to the great schism was the Bishop of Rome referred to at the as 'Pope'.

Thanks :)

Orthosdoxa
28th December 2004, 06:32 PM
I think so. The word "Pope" just means "Father" - more like "Papa", actually.

The Bishop of Alexandria (who is Orthodox) is referred to as "Pope", and it doesn't meant he has power over the other bishops. It's just a title.

TomUK
28th December 2004, 06:33 PM
At the time would he have been called Pope while the other Bishops weren't?

Julio
28th December 2004, 06:46 PM
I've also asked this in OBOB.

Prior to the great schism was the Bishop of Rome referred to at the as 'Pope'.

Thanks :)Most certainly. Even our liturgical books refer to holy Bishops of Rome as "Pope" when listing their commemorations. For instance, we recently celebrated the memory of St Clement of Rome (Nov. 24 for the Slavs, Nov. 25 for the Greeks). The entry appears thus in the Greek Horologion to mega (Great Horologion) published by the Apostolikh Diakonia:

24. Twn en agiois paterwn hmwn kai ieromartyrwn Klhmentos, papa Romhs, kai Petrou Alexandeias.

24. [Commemoration] of our Fathers among the saints and hieromartyrs Clement, Pope of Rome, and Peter of Alexandria.

My own patron saint is St Julius, Pope of Rome, friend and defender of St Athanasios the Great and St Paul the Confessor (+352). I commisioned a friend in Greece, a pious and gifted Protopsaltis, to write a Service to him. The title page reads:

Asmatikh Akolouthia tou en Agiois Patros Hmwn Iouliou, Papa Romhs

Sung Service to (lit: "of") our Father among the Saints Julius, Pope of Rome.

I hope this helps!

Julio

gzt
28th December 2004, 06:51 PM
As far as I can tell from my readings in history, yes [well, if you mean the other bishops besides the Bishop of Alexandria].

I seem to recall there being a third patriarchal see which was traditionally called a 'pope', but I don't know what it is. Am I remembering correctly, or am I completely wrong?

Julio
28th December 2004, 07:00 PM
As far as I can tell from my readings in history, yes [well, if you mean the other bishops besides the Bishop of Alexandria].

I seem to recall there being a third patriarchal see which was traditionally called a 'pope', but I don't know what it is. Am I remembering correctly, or am I completely wrong?
There was no such third see claiming the title of "Pope" for its incumbent.

"Pope" was originally a title of the Bishop of Rome alone, which was eventually appropriated as well by the Bishop of Alexandria, during the controversy between this see and Constantinople concerning which of the two held the second place in the Pentarchy.

prodromos
29th December 2004, 07:21 AM
Our spiritual father is referred to affectionately by his spiritual children as "Papa Yiorgi" (Father George), so I guess that makes him our "pope" ;)

John.