Question for Fundamentalist Baptists

[Bulldog]

What are your thoughts on birth control/contraception?

[TwinCrier]

I am against denying God an opportunity to send us His blessings. Birth control is unhealthy and unbiblical.

[eaglex]

I have no objections with birth control except abortion. I see nothing wrong with using birth control like THE PILL ,DIAPHGRAM OR CONDOMS. If used right I don't think thAT GOD objects the use of these as long asit is the bounds ofmarrige. If we are unmarried then abstinecses is the only way for Christians .

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I am against denying God an opportunity to send us His blessings. Birth control is unhealthy and unbiblical.
:thumbsup: :amen:

[Sword-In-Hand]

Interesting topic. What's the view on birth control methods such as tube tying?

[Matthan]

This is a very difficult question to answer, or even address wisely. On the one hand, God is master of our lives. On the other, we must be thoughtful of our family sizes so as not to needlessly hog resources that others might need for their very survival. So my suggestion would be that birth control should be utilized as necessary, and with prayer. The couple who simply do not want any children are not adhereing to God's will for us. The couple who already have children might consider its use to prevent strain on the family unit.

I guess what I am trying to say is that birth control serves a purpose. It can be a wonderful aid if used properly. If, however, it is used strictly for personal pleasure and serves a selfish or self-centered motive rather than a higher purpose, it's use can be a sinful act.

Matthan <J><

[greenhornet569]

What are your thoughts on birth control/contraception?
I see nothing wrong with it. Econmocally we could not support another child so my wife is currntly on the pill, I am scheduleing a more permanent method to be performed on me. Although I will say abortion including the "72 hour pill" is murder and not a form of birth control

[jones_of_pbf]

I'm not against it if a married couple can't take care of the child, or afford pregnancy finances.
When I was married, we knew we couldn't afford the bills with minimum wage jobs and no insurance, so we used contraception.

[TwinCrier]

For those who use resources and a valid reason, exactly how much money should people have to have a child? And what should they do if their birth control method fails?

[Gwenyfur]

I can honestly say that I am against the pill in any form. It acts to keep a fertilized egg from implanting. Diaphrams condoms and iud's prevent fertilization.

Having said that, I can also say that God's provident hand and will are sovereign. If He wishes for you to have a child, no amount of BC will stop Him from blessing you with a child.

My oldest was conceived while using a diaphram. My youngest was discovered almost a year to the day I was told I would *never* have another child. My children are now 6 and 16.

I might also mention that when God blessed us with each of these, He also increased the measure of my husband's salary to compensate for our growing family. Times have been tight, and sometimes downright struggling, but the Lord has always graciously provided for our family. We have never gone hungry or cold. Sometimes in the most amazing ways.

[fluffy_rainbow]

What are your thoughts on birth control/contraception?
I am morally opposed to artificial means of contraception. Hormonal contraceptives can cause abortions because, while their primary function is to block conception, many times if conception has taken place it prevents implantation. I also think barrier methods such as condoms and diaphragms are a burden. It isn't very romantic trying to become one (as the Bible instructs people to do with their sposues) if you have a barrier between your flesh and that of your spouse's. I know that may be graphic, but it's just very un-romantic. Natural Family Planning has proven through the years to be a very reliable method of postponing pregnancy. It can also be used to track your cycles when you want a better chance of conceiving. It is completely natural, allows the couple to still become one, teaches love and patience during fertile times when the couple may choose to abstain from intercourse, and involves both spouses in the process.

[jones_of_pbf]

I might also mention that when God blessed us with each of these, He also increased the measure of my husband's salary to compensate for our growing family. Times have been tight, and sometimes downright struggling, but the Lord has always graciously provided for our family. We have never gone hungry or cold. Sometimes in the most amazing ways. Sometimes, a young couple will forget this.
Me and my exwife didn't think about what God wanted.
It was wrong, but it happens.
BTW, I agree with you.:)

[sara elizabeth]

This is a subject I have thought about alot. I am totally against any hormonal methods of birth control because they can cause an abortion, as was already stated.


Hormonal contraceptives can cause abortions because, while their primary function is to block conception, many times if conception has taken place it prevents implantation.

On the other hand it takes alot of blind faith to just accept as many pregnancies as come. For some of us this would mean having back-to-back babies. ^_^

I personally feel that God gave us the wisdom to know how to prevent conception (whether by natural family planning or barrier methods or a combination) So, it is up to us to carefully use that wisdom in the way it would be most honoring to God. For some this would mean having a very large family and for others maybe not so big. We also are told to practice good stewardship. Isn't recognizing and adjusting to your own capabilities doing this?

Of course, it is very easy to get quite selfish in this area. That is another matter altogether. I am not in any way trying to say that its okay to be selfish. :)

[fluffy_rainbow]

I agree, Sara Elizabeth. Our faith does not negate our obligation to exercise common sense. I don't believe God wants us to jeopardize our health and the wellbeing of our family. Multiple births is dangerous on the woman, plus the more children you bear, the higher the risk of birth defects; however, with NFP you can effectively space out your children. It just requires a little patience and the ability to become in tune with your body so you can chart your bodily symptoms so you know when you are fertile. This method even works for women with irregular menstrual cycles and those who ovulate more than once a month.

[greenhornet569]

For those who use resources and a valid reason, exactly how much money should people have to have a child? And what should they do if their birth control method fails?
Well I don't think that a certain amount can be placed would depend on that family's income. But I have three children and if we were to have another things would be way to tight on a Sergeants salary. I think it is too important for my wife to stay home with the kids then to keep having them and her get a job. We prayed about it and the desicion that we cam to with lots prayer is three kids are enough.

[Blazin4Christ]

here is my simple answer, Birth COntrol I personally believe should not be done, why? because God meant for us to reproduce

In the case of abortion I am Extremely against it, I have always heard the excuse "What if the yare raped? Shouldn't the be given the choice to have the Baby?"
well my question is, what choice does the baby have in abortion? my mom, who is a nurse/doctor/something, told me about abortion and explained it to me, and I was shown pictures once of abortioned babies, they are definetely living babies! not just tissue!, if it were then sonograms are lying to us when they say the baby can hear the mother speak to it in the stomach(wherever it is) the baby is born out of, the baby eats, the baby can see if it wants, so if you say that there is no "liviing" tissue in a mother after pregnancy, you are wrong,

[DiscipleOfIAm]

If I'm thinking correct, BC wasn't an accepted practice according to the church until recently, meaning within the past 60 years. Before that, it was accepted that BC was unGodly.

Anyone? Am I off here or thinking of something else?

[greenhornet569]

I can honestly say that I am against the pill in any form. It acts to keep a fertilized egg from implanting.
Thats not true. The pill my wife takes prevents ovulation

[staugustine68]

I heard the same thing. To each her own.

[fluffy_rainbow]

Thats not true. The pill my wife takes prevents ovulation
Green Hornet, what pill is she taking? I mean, all hormonal BC is capable of causing abortion. Most gynecologists will not tell you this because then they and the pharmaceutical companies do not make money. My doctor is very pro-life and she advised me against BC pills because of this reason.

[Gwenyfur]

Thats not true. The pill my wife takes prevents ovulation
I'm really not trying to argue here, but do the research. They don't call it a fertilized egg, it's referred to as Protoplasmic cluster at the point the female would reach her menses and shed the monthly lining of the uterus. The hormonal estrogen-progesterone based birth control pills *all* keep this protoplasmic cluster, otherwise considered a fertilized egg, from implanting.

You can validate this research with your gynecologist, pharmacist,doctor, or any pro life center

Good Luck

[TwinCrier]

I'm really not trying to argue here, but do the research. They don't call it a fertilized egg, it's referred to as Protoplasmic cluster at the point the female would reach her menses and shed the monthly lining of the uterus. The hormonal estrogen-progesterone based birth control pills *all* keep this protoplasmic cluster, otherwise considered a fertilized egg, from implanting.

You can validate this research with your gynecologist, pharmacist,doctor, or any pro life center

Good LuckA fertilized egg conception. Life begins at conception, in fact the word conceetion means beginning. I know our society puts less value on life in the earliest stages, but it's still wrong to terminate a newly conceived human, rather by the pill, IUD or traditional surgical abortion. I think many Christians will be shocked to see in heaven the children that were meant to be but that they unknowingly (?) distroyed.

[fluffy_rainbow]

I had a friend whose doctor told her she could have an IUD put in and it would be good for ten years. She once got pregnant anyway (only a year after having the IUD in place) and had an abortion. The second time was three years after it was put in and she experienced an extopic pregnancy and almost bled to death. IUD's also cause uterine perforation.

[theseed]

Any birth control method that destroys the zygote is wrong and immoral.

[greenhornet569]

I'm really not trying to argue here, but do the research. They don't call it a fertilized egg, it's referred to as Protoplasmic cluster at the point the female would reach her menses and shed the monthly lining of the uterus. The hormonal estrogen-progesterone based birth control pills *all* keep this protoplasmic cluster, otherwise considered a fertilized egg, from implanting.

You can validate this research with your gynecologist, pharmacist,doctor, or any pro life center

Good Luck
You say huh...do some research, there are pills that only increase the mucus of the cervix to prevent sperm from reaching the uterus. Now I did ask my doctor very specifically and I know he knew what I meant when I asked him becasue he goes to my church. The pill my wife takes stops ovulation. Who are you to tell me what pill my wife takes and what it does...

[TwinCrier]

You say huh...do some research, there are pills that only increase the mucus of the cervix to prevent sperm from reaching the uterus. Now I did ask my doctor very specifically and I know he knew what I meant when I asked him becasue he goes to my church. The pill my wife takes stops ovulation. Who are you to tell me what pill my wife takes and what it does...There is no reason to get mad at Gwenyfur. Don't kill the messenger. All birth control pills effect the uterus in order to keep the fertilized egg from implanting resulting in miscarriage. If this feels wrong to you you should do some research.

I painfully agree that birth control pills do in fact cause abortions. Our individual and collective Christian response to this heretofore varnished-over information will have profound consequences for time and eternity. This is a disturbing must-read for all who profess to be prolife."
Beverly A. McMillan, M.D., Ob/Gyn
http://www.jesus-passion.com/bcpill1.html

[Gwenyfur]

You say huh...do some research, there are pills that only increase the mucus of the cervix to prevent sperm from reaching the uterus. Now I did ask my doctor very specifically and I know he knew what I meant when I asked him becasue he goes to my church. The pill my wife takes stops ovulation. Who are you to tell me what pill my wife takes and what it does...
I apologize if I angered you. It was not my intent.

I will bow out of this conversation in an effort to avoid strife.

God Bless you and yours.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I had a friend whose doctor told her she could have an IUD put in and it would be good for ten years. She once got pregnant anyway (only a year after having the IUD in place) and had an abortion. The second time was three years after it was put in and she experienced an extopic pregnancy and almost bled to death. IUD's also cause uterine perforation.
Is this IUD, the same as "the clamp"? I'm not familiar with the term IUD.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I posted this question in the BC thread, but the thread was so old, nobody has really gone there. This thread is traveling along the same lines of discussion, so here it was:


I wanted to present a question here. My wife, due to tendancy to clot, doesn't use the pill anymore. After the birth of our second child, she is using a "clamp". Not sure how it works, but that is what it is called. She goes in to the doctor Thursday and is thinking of having it removed. I asked if it was becasue of the conversations we had had stemming from this OP. She said she wasn't doing it because of feeling convicted by God to do so or for reasons of being against BC. She was doing it because she didn't know when the right time to have another baby was and this way God would have control. Isn't that the same thing as being against BC? Guess not.

The story behind it is, we have always wanted 4 or 5 kids, we have 2 presently. After the second, age 2, we have had some concerns about it. She is a handful! She always has been since she was born. The first was sweet as pie and quiet, of course she was 3 months premature as well. She's almost 6 now, no problems or health concerns at all! Thank the Lord. So, we kept thinking if we allow the second one to grow up and start school we would be more ready for the third, but now we are considering homeschooling and her starting school won't matter.

My thinking is that each child is different, God won't give us more than we can hanlde, and He will provide for us, whether that be patience or resources. I'm all for getting rid of the BC and she is, too, but she is only for the reason to give God back control and decide for us the right time. Not because she feels it is wrong. I feel it is Biblically worng to interfere with God's plans and try to plan our own paths.

Why am I having a hard time with her view? Shouldn't I be happy that she wants to give up the BC and get over the reasons why?

God Bless

[Gwenyfur]

I'm all for getting rid of the BC and she is, too, but she is only for the reason to give God back control and decide for us the right time. Not because she feels it is wrong. I feel it is Biblically worng to interfere with God's plans and try to plan our own paths.

Why am I having a hard time with her view? Shouldn't I be happy that she wants to give up the BC and get over the reasons why?
Well, and this may just be my opinion, but at the root of it you both are in agreement. The elimination of BC gives up your control over your lives and gives it back to God. Her heart is right if that's the reason she's giving up the clamp. It may just be that she'll find your perspective in time, or it may just be splitting hairs :)

Whether or not BC is biblically wrong or right I won't go into again for obvious reasons, but in the end God is in control whether BC is used or not. My first was a BC baby.

I was a lot younger and a complete pagan in those days, and didn't have the knowledge that I have now. That doesn't mean that looking back I can't see God's design and plan. I had to have her at that point in time, so that she could do His work and lead her mom to find Jesus as her Savior :)

Any how, my point LOL

BC or not, God is in control. It's between you and God as to what type, if any, that you use or not use. If you feel it's wrong to use it, and she feels it's wrong and taking away God's control, then dont' use it. Why be bothered over the tiny things that really won't matter once we're united with our Lord :)

God Bless,

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Well, and this may just be my opinion, but at the root of it you both are in agreement. The elimination of BC gives up your control over your lives and gives it back to God. Her heart is right if that's the reason she's giving up the clamp. It may just be that she'll find your perspective in time, or it may just be splitting hairs :)

Whether or not BC is biblically wrong or right I won't go into again for obvious reasons, but in the end God is in control whether BC is used or not. My first was a BC baby.

I was a lot younger and a complete pagan in those days, and didn't have the knowledge that I have now. That doesn't mean that looking back I can't see God's design and plan. I had to have her at that point in time, so that she could do His work and lead her mom to find Jesus as her Savior :)

Any how, my point LOL

BC or not, God is in control. It's between you and God as to what type, if any, that you use or not use. If you feel it's wrong to use it, and she feels it's wrong and taking away God's control, then dont' use it. Why be bothered over the tiny things that really won't matter once we're united with our Lord :)

God Bless,
Good point.

BUT, she just came back from her Dr appointment and did not have it removed. She kept it in. She felt that by having it in, she feels more secure. She wants to know she won't have another until she thinks she is ready. She said she is going to enjoy the two we have to the fullest until she feels ready to have another one. What about God's plan or my desires? She didn't even discuss it with me, she just left it in after we decided she was going to have it removed.

I'm very disappointed and upset about this, but nothing I say or quote makes a difference. She won't trust God to guide our lives.

[LostnFound]

Natural Family planning has been used for as long as there have been women who knew how to do it. I can stand behind barrier methods, because,as stated previously, if God wants to bless us with a cjild, no barrier will stop it. Once I learned that the Pill was, in fact, an abortificant, I was no longer able to consider that an option.

I very successfully used NFP during my breast- feeding years, but would only encourage women to do so if they were really willing to become very good at it. I could tell you, almost to the hour, when I was ovulating....and I have one child and one miscarriage to prove it! (DH didn't heed my warnings!!)

[Gwenyfur]

I'm very disappointed and upset about this, but nothing I say or quote makes a difference. She won't trust God to guide our lives.
My dear brother in Christ, the only comfort or quote I can give to you, is cast all your cares upon the Lord. This is apparently an issue in your marriage that can only be solved with prayer. Amazing how many of our life problems and battles are won on our knees, beseeching our Lord and accepting His will when He answers.

I will pray for you both, as I know there is tension in your home right now...

God Bless and Keep You

[TwinCrier]

Is this IUD, the same as "the clamp"? I'm not familiar with the term IUD.IUD stands for Intra-uterine Device and refers to all devices placed inside the uterus to irratate the lining and cause an abortion each month instead of implantation of the fertilized egg/ovum.


Health Risks:


Getting any vaginal infection while using an IUD can increase the risk of developing a serious pelvic infection. This can result in a loss of fertility. For this reason, women need to assess their own risk for infection. If you have multiple partners or if your partner has multiple partners, your chance of infection is much higher.


Piercing or perforation of the uterine wall may occur during insertion of the IUD. Over time, an IUD may become imbedded in the uterine wall. An Imbedded IUD is still effective, but it can be painful and may need to be removed. There is a risk of surgery and/or sterility if an IUD becomes imbedded.

If a woman becomes pregnant while using an IUD, it is highly recommended that she have the IUD removed, whether or not she wants to carry the pregnancy to term. An IUD increases the risk of having a miscarriage or premature birth.

A woman who becomes pregnant while using an IUD is also more likely to have an ectopic pregnancy. An ectopic pregnancy occurs when a fertilized egg attaches and grows outside the uterus. This can be very dangerous and requires emergency medical attention.


Side Effects back to top (http://www.fwhc.org/birth-control/iudinfo.htm#top)



Both the ParaGard and the Mirena IUDs can cause longer, heavier, and more painful menstrual periods, but this is much less common with the Mirena. The increased blood flow may cause anemia. Spotting may occur without serious cause or as a sign of infection.

The Mirena IUD can cause ovarian cysts. Some women using the Mirena stop bleeding altogether. Usually their menstrual periods return when the IUD is removed. Mirena can cause weight gain, headaches, increased blood pressure, acne, depression, and decrease in sex drive.

Future Fertility

Women who want to become pregnant may have their IUD removed at any time. While most women who stop using IUDs are able to become pregnant, IUDs can have negative effects on a woman's fertility. If perforation, embedding, or pelvic infection occurs, the uterus or tubes may become damaged and lower the chance of pregnancy. In cases of severe damage or infection of the uterus, a hysterectomy (removal of the uterus) may be required, resulting in permanent sterility. The synthetic hormone in the Mirena IUD can cause a delay in return of menstruation and fertility after it is removed.

[GreenEyedLady]

Good point.

BUT, she just came back from her Dr appointment and did not have it removed. She kept it in. She felt that by having it in, she feels more secure. She wants to know she won't have another until she thinks she is ready. She said she is going to enjoy the two we have to the fullest until she feels ready to have another one. What about God's plan or my desires? She didn't even discuss it with me, she just left it in after we decided she was going to have it removed.

I'm very disappointed and upset about this, but nothing I say or quote makes a difference. She won't trust God to guide our lives.
I am sorry you are going through this. I will be honest with you, I whole heartly regret ever trying to control how many children God would bless me with. Not because I lost my daughter, but because now, I see the decisions I made did not include God. It only included what was convient for me. I have begged God for forgiveness and hope that if it is His will, NOT MINE, if I should have more, that it will be done. If I could download my thoughts and expiences to you and put them on a CD-ROM I would mail it to you so you and your wife could watch. In the mean time all I can do it pray. However, God deals with the wife through the husband. I would keep talking about this and ask her to pray with you to GOD on your knees about this.
GEL