The Blood and Fire Drop-In

[Abiel]

The clue is in the title! Spread the word!

[Warren Peace]

I'll join this thread in the hopes of finding a third Salvationist...

Blessings!

[Victrixa]

Hi my Salvationist friends! :wave:

What about an ex-Salvationist? I used to be a Salvation Army soldier... even officer. The Salvation Army is a very nice organisation (and church). I love the holiness teachings. :thumbsup:

I reverted back to the Catholic Church 4 years ago. :liturgy: :priest:

God bless you!

In Christ,

Caroline

p.s. Hey, as a Salvationist, you could use the Methodist icon, no? ;)

[Warren Peace]

Hi my Salvationist friends! :wave:

What about an ex-Salvationist? I used to be a Salvation Army soldier... even officer. The Salvation Army is a very nice organisation (and church). I love the holiness teachings. :thumbsup:

I reverted back to the Catholic Church 4 years ago. :liturgy: :priest:

God bless you!

In Christ,

Caroline

p.s. Hey, as a Salvationist, you could use the Methodist icon, no? ;) While the Booths were of the Methodist denomination in the 19th century, the Salvation Army is not a sub-denomination of the Methodist movement. Therefore I would not think that using the Methodist icon would be meaningful, although it would not be inappropriate.

Funny thing is the first ever church I went to outside of Canada was in Cuba for Palm Sunday. It happened to be a Methodist Church, and they had a songbook!

So what made you decide to leave officership if I may ask? If it's too personal, then I apologize for my noseyness... (it's in my Jewish roots to be nosey ;))

Blessings...

[Victrixa]

Hi again,

So what made you decide to leave officership if I may ask? If it's too personal, then I apologize for my noseyness...

Ha!Ha! Don't worry, my brother, I am not offended! :hug:

Well the major reason for leaving officership was because of my husband's illness. We had to leave the ministry.

The Salvation Army allowed us to experience many things and learn much as well (concerning the faith, life and society) but God was leading us elsewhere in the process. You see, the Holy Spirit lead us back to the Catholic Church in 2000... It's a long story. If you want my testimony....just ask! ;) All I can say is that I'm a convinced Catholic!

But I praise God for all that He does in the lives of my brothers and sisters in Christ! :bow:

Love and prayers,

Caroline

[Victrixa]

:idea: Concerning the faith icon, ask Erwin for a Salvation Army one! ;) :thumbsup:

[Warren Peace]

Hi again,
....
Caroline
Very sorry to hear about your husband's illness.

Regarding your change to Catholicism, all I can say is that as long as Christ fills your heart and you find love and happiness in your church, then I am very happy for you.

Many blessings...

[chickette]

I'm 15, almost 16, I grown up in a Salvation Army church and I love it!!!!!!!


And Abiel, I luv ur display pic!!!!

[Abiel]

Wow! We are here!

Hi Victrixa! As the old song says 'whomsoever will may come'! I understand where you are coming from. I spent many years looking for my true hearts home, and I found it in the Army! It was the first church I had belonged to that when I said 'God spoke me when I was 12' said 'What did He say?' rather than 'fetch the men in white coats!' There is a peace and beauty in liturgical worship- it ministers to soul. I see you wrote 'reverted' so you were brought up Catholic?

[Abiel]

I'm 15, almost 16, I grown up in a Salvation Army church and I love it!!!!!!!


And Abiel, I luv ur display pic!!!!

http://www.sacollectables.com/desktop.html will provide you with pictures you can download and then use if you wish. Hi there Chickette! I am old and crusty, but as well as being Envoy at my corps, I am also CYS (at least nobody has told me I am not any more!). I did not grow up in the Army. I was an Anglican choir girl when I was 15. I looked so sweet in my cassock, surplice and ruff!

I am filled with joy at the thought that you love the Army. Bless you! I know that the army in Australia is very alive! We need some aussie influence here!

[Abiel]

SO Canada and Australia are on board!
While you sleep I will tell a little about myself. I have been in the army for 5 years. God very specifically called me to it, although like so many others I just wandered in off the streets!

My corps is in the market town of Woodbridge in Suffolk. http://www.woodbridgesalvationarmy.org.uk/ here is a link to our very simple web site. I think I might be there somewhere.
I dont know if you will have ever have seen it, but there is a British television programme called 'The vicar of Dibley' ...we at woodbridge are like that. It's a bit odd!

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Hello!

I am a Salvation Army Adherent from Brisbane, Australia. My family (who are now baptist) grew up in the Salvation Army, and are highly delighted I'm now in the Salvos...

I love my church - they encourage us to discover our giftings, and use them to our fullest potential. I have the best friends attending, and my minister encourages me greatly each Sunday. Our lifegroups are growing and I was involved in leading SAGALA (Sunbeams) last year...

Sasch

[Abiel]

Hello!

I am a Salvation Army Adherent from Brisbane, Australia. My family (who are now baptist) grew up in the Salvation Army, and are highly delighted I'm now in the Salvos...

I love my church - they encourage us to discover our giftings, and use them to our fullest potential. I have the best friends attending, and my minister encourages me greatly each Sunday. Our lifegroups are growing and I was involved in leading SAGALA (Sunbeams) last year...

Sasch

Hi there once again! Wow! at this rate of growth we will take over the world!

[plum]

<outsider coming in>

i had never known the SA was anything but a soup kitchen/donation center ministry until last year!
talk about ignorance. and i didn't know ANYONE who was a member, so i never heard about it i suppose.
rock on! :wave:

<outsider leaving>

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Some links some people might be interested in...

www.salvosconnect.org.au - a really great discussion board (Australian based)
www.salvos.org.au - Australian SA site (I'm eastern territory, so click on the east side of Australia for some really good info on customs, traditions, beliefs, etc of the SA)
www.salvationarmy.org.uk - British website

That should get you started on information about us! :)

Sasch

[Abiel]

<outsider coming in>

i had never known the SA was anything but a soup kitchen/donation center ministry until last year!
talk about ignorance. and i didn't know ANYONE who was a member, so i never heard about it i suppose.
rock on! :wave:

<outsider leaving>
Me neither- and now I'm an officer!

[Victrixa]

Hi Abiel! :wave:

You are nice and welcoming like most Salvationists I have known in my life! :hug: :thumbsup:

Yes, I was brought up Catholic and after 15 years being an Evangelical Protestant (including the Sally Ann as well as the Pentecostal church), I reverted back to the Catholic Church through the leading of the Holy Spirit.

When I became a soldier, I thought that I would be a Salvationist 'til my death! :D But.... God had other plans! I loooved the Salvation Army and could not understand anyone who didn't, lol!!!!

[Victrixa]

Hi Warren Peace! :wave:

I see in your profile that you are preparing to become a S.A. officer. And I see that you live in Canada, as I do. Are you going to go to the CFOT (College for Officer Training) of Toronto? If so, when?

God bless you and your walk with the Lord. :hug:

Caroline

[Warren Peace]

Hi Warren Peace! :wave:

I see in your profile that you are preparing to become a S.A. officer. And I see that you live in Canada, as I do. Are you going to go to the CFOT (College for Officer Training) of Toronto? If so, when?

God bless you and your walk with the Lord. :hug:

Caroline
Alas the Toronto CFOT is closed now, and Newfoundland is closing next year. THQ is opening a new CFOT in Winnipeg, to be attached to William and Catherine Booth College. Therefore, my wife and I plan on attending International CFOT in England.

Where in Canada do you live? I'm near Toronto.

Blessings...

[Victrixa]

Hi Warren Peace :wave:

Alas the Toronto CFOT is closed now, and Newfoundland is closing next year. THQ is opening a new CFOT in Winnipeg, to be attached to William and Catherine Booth College. Therefore, my wife and I plan on attending International CFOT in England.

Where in Canada do you live? I'm near Toronto.

Wow, I am getting way behind in the news! :doh: Actually, I heard that the Toronto CFOT was closed but then I did a Web search on the S.A. and thought it had reopened for some reason... But it's closed. And the Newfoundland CFOT is closing too? :eek:

Do you know what happened to the Toronto CFOT builidings? Are they used for something else? What about the Heritage Centre? Nice little S.A. museum that was with very interesting items. You know, I really love those old uniforms, the ones from the Victorian and Edwardian eras. Also the later ones with the high collars. And I love those bonnets that the 'lassies' used to wear. :cool:

You're going to International CFOT? I think that's a good idea!

I live in the Province of Québec.

[Warren Peace]

Do you know what happened to the Toronto CFOT builidings? Are they used for something else? What about the Heritage Centre? Nice little S.A. museum that was with very interesting items. You know, I really love those old uniforms, the ones from the Victorian and Edwardian eras. Also the later ones with the high collars. And I love those bonnets that the 'lassies' used to wear. :cool:

You're going to International CFOT? I think that's a good idea!

I live in the Province of Québec.
I am originally from La Belle Province also... Dollard des Ormeaux (west end of Montreal). Lived there 25 years years, 3 years in Toronto and now 5 years in Ajax, a nice community about 40 kms east of Toronto.

The Toronto CFOT may become part of the hospital that is across the street (Sunnybrook)... the deal hasn't been confirmed yet.

Blessings...

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

A friend of mine just came back from being at the War College for a year - she had a FANTASTIC time interacting with those in the slums and became VERY strong in her faith (not that she wasn't all ready, but it was being used in ways she'd never had an opportunity to before). She now works at Youth Outreach Services (YOS) in the city - a ministry run by the salvos for homeless youth, with a school, trade skills, food, etc...

I'm still undecided about being a Soldier - I guess it comes down to what God says to me. Right now, I feel that apart from alcohol drinking (like once every 6 months), all those Articles of War are what I do as a committed Christian anyway, so I'm still wondering if it is right for me or not...

Sasch

[Abiel]

A friend of mine just came back from being at the War College for a year - she had a FANTASTIC time interacting with those in the slums and became VERY strong in her faith (not that she wasn't all ready, but it was being used in ways she'd never had an opportunity to before). She now works at Youth Outreach Services (YOS) in the city - a ministry run by the salvos for homeless youth, with a school, trade skills, food, etc...

I'm still undecided about being a Soldier - I guess it comes down to what God says to me. Right now, I feel that apart from alcohol drinking (like once every 6 months), all those Articles of War are what I do as a committed Christian anyway, so I'm still wondering if it is right for me or not...

SaschWe've had this same discussion at my place. Apart from the alcohol one, there is nothing that is different in the articles of war to the bible. I guess the big difference is the public nature of the commitment, and the fact that you can be suspended publicly if caught in failure. It depends on the culture of the Corps/officer/territory whether this is 'one strike and you are out' or whether compassion leads to a more prolonged pastoral process.
As for alcohol, go be made a soldier in Italy or (i think) France. They dont sign up to the alcohol clause.


In my experience, people know when God is calling them to soldiership. It means you are being called to war- active, public war, and a huge level of commitment in terms of time and emotional energy...though not all soldiers feel the need to carry through on that.

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

I always wondered that - what with the culture of wine with every meal and all that! :)

I love being a Salvo! :D

[Abiel]

You will know if/when God calls you.

[Abiel]

I see things got nasty in the can women be pastors thread overnight. I'm sorry that my posting of General Booth's picture started it all- that wasn't my intention. Anyway, I have reported the hitler/booth analogy. Interesting though, this is the first time I have come across that level of hatred for the Army. The worst I have been accused of is personally going to hell for not being properly baptised, but the Army? That's great as long as it is a charity.
The more people realise we are a church, the more cranks will reject us. But those we serve will continue to love us.

[Warren Peace]

I never drank all that much anyway, can't stand the stuff, so signing the Articles of War was a piece of cake... oh and it was also necessary for me to sign in order become a candidate for Officership, but that's beside the point ;)

Blessings...

[Abiel]

I never drank all that much anyway, can't stand the stuff, so signing the Articles of War was a piece of cake... oh and it was also necessary for me to sign in order become a candidate for Officership, but that's beside the point ;)

Blessings...

Hey! I did it that way too!

[Victrixa]

The Toronto CFOT may become part of the hospital that is across the street (Sunnybrook)... the deal hasn't been confirmed yet.

Well, that is kind of sad, isn't it? :(

[Victrixa]

I see things got nasty in the can women be pastors thread overnight. I'm sorry that my posting of General Booth's picture started it all- that wasn't my intention. Anyway, I have reported the hitler/booth analogy. Interesting though, this is the first time I have come across that level of hatred for the Army. The worst I have been accused of is personally going to hell for not being properly baptised, but the Army? That's great as long as it is a charity.
The more people realise we are a church, the more cranks will reject us. But those we serve will continue to love us.

I haven't read that thread, but to compare William Booth to Hitler? :eek: Wow, that is bad! I do hold William Booth as a model to follow in the Christian faith. He was a very holy man.

I remember, as a Salvationist, how many people here thought that was weird! Hehe! The Salvation Army is very original, I mean, like in originality. I guess I was attracted to it in part for that reason. But I was really called to the Sally Ann at the time. Strongly so.

I've evangelized through Youth Service Corps, Vacation Bible Schools (VBS) - hehe, I would even dress as a clown in S.A. colours and jump around with my tambourine on the main street - imagine that in your minds! - subway (metro) ministry. There was this ministry called the TGIF (Thank God it's Friday) ministry on... Friday nights! That one was linked to the Montreal Citadel Corps. Plus I preached as a soldier and an officer, I don't know how many times! I would replace corps officers during their vacations (on Sundays only). I even did door to door (hehe like the JWs!). I don't know how many times a door was slammed in my face, lol! Plus insults during my many evangelism efforts.

I got insulted once in a restaurant by a homeless person who was really really angry with the Salvation Army! He threw my lunch on the floor and was swearing at me like crazy. One of the servers called the restaurant manager and he sent the angry man away! Thank God my lunch was almost all eaten!

I have worked at Salvation Army kettles many times. Outside in the cold! Brrrrr. Whatever. It made me happy to help the poor!

[Victrixa]

I never drank all that much anyway, can't stand the stuff, so signing the Articles of War was a piece of cake... oh and it was also necessary for me to sign in order become a candidate for Officership, but that's beside the point

Yeah, giving up on alcohol, especially in a French-Canadian family! I didn't really care but my family wondered what was up with me, lol! They thought I was crazy! :D

But now I drink it again (so rarely). And I believe in the Real Presence, sooo....

But the reason for the Salvation Army alcohol clause is a very noble one. This is an organisation which helps many people with alcohol and drug problems. Out of love for our brother or sister, it's better to give it up, especially when you are in their presence as often as Salvationists can be. :thumbsup:

[Abiel]

I had such a bad night's sleep. I woke up at 1am, and hubby wasn't back yet. (He works with The Air Cadets, a youth organisation, and it was their Christmas party). And in my dopeyness, my imagination began to work over time. He was in by 1.25 safe and sound, but it was a terrible 25 minutes. Now I feel as though I haven't been to bed! I should have got up and come to CF! Last jumble sale of 2004 this morning at the Army. One price- 3 for £1. Bargains for all. You are welcome to come along and have a nice cup of Mary's tea!

[Victrixa]

Merry Christmas to my Salvationist friends!!! :clap: :hug:

[Abiel]

MAy many blessings be yours this Christmas Salvos everywhere!

[Abiel]

A Happy New Year to you all. And Many thanks to all my War Cry customers of 2004, and my prayers for them in 2005, that the word of God would make a reall impact in all your lives.

[mannysee]

sometimes i go into town and see an old Salvation Army guy sitting down there beside his carry around music box (he plays old hymns on it). I think it's kinda cool. Although i expect him to begin preaching any moment. Like they say, God bless the Salvo's. Happy new year to all.

[Abiel]

Dear all,
We have our shield now under 'shields' in equipment!!!! And it's free to whomsoever! How cool is that!

[mentalmenteinstabile]

God bless you!

In Christ,

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Oooo - guess what's on my armour request now! :D

God bless all of you in the coming year - and thank you Abiel for setting this thread up!

Love Sasch

[Andy Broadley]

Hey guys - just got a link to this from Abiel:thumbsup:


Great for us to have our own thread to chill on. I'm C of E now but spent all my childhood and a good few adult years in the Army, starting with the primary Sunday School, Junior Soldier (and yes, I can still remember most of my promises), singing company, Corps Cadet (got my gold!), Senior Soldier, Band, Songsters, Heralding, many cold SD's and caroling etc etc etc....you get the picture.

If we are going to be a cyber corps, we need a band. I can volunteer for the drum and E flat bass, and Euphonium if pushed. Any others?

[All4THALORD]

Happy New Year!!

[Abiel]

Hey guys - just got a link to this from Abiel:thumbsup:


Great for us to have our own thread to chill on. I'm C of E now but spent all my childhood and a good few adult years in the Army, starting with the primary Sunday School, Junior Soldier (and yes, I can still remember most of my promises), singing company, Corps Cadet (got my gold!), Senior Soldier, Band, Songsters, Heralding, many cold SD's and caroling etc etc etc....you get the picture.

If we are going to be a cyber corps, we need a band. I can volunteer for the drum and E flat bass, and Euphonium if pushed. Any others?

I am learning trombone...I am very bad- we are trying to get the kids going (we have no adult band) so those of us with kids are learning alongside. However- I play a mean timbrel!

I'm just off to place armour requests for some brass!

[Moros]

There's a mammoth salvation army here, the building takes up a good square city block. I have general respect for the SA, but the ones here I genuinely dislike for two reasons. Their main activity seems to be contributing to the crime rate by bringing in third world "refugees" at alarmingly frequent intervals and in increasingly large numbers. The last bunch were Somali Bantus. If you've never seen herds of African tribesmen wandering around yourtown, count yourself lucky. Within their first week, about 75% of them were already in jail for lighting things on fire.

Their second most noticable activity is sponsoring the "procession of the species" which is a large annual athiest parade here honoring darwin.

[Warren Peace]

Their second most noticable activity is sponsoring the "procession of the species" which is a large annual athiest parade here honoring darwin.
I think they are a sponsor for that in order to get people to learn about the truth without outwardly advertising it. Salvationists surely do not support the Darwinian theory...

Happy New Year!!!!

[Abiel]

There's a mammoth salvation army here, the building takes up a good square city block. I have general respect for the SA, but the ones here I genuinely dislike for two reasons. Their main activity seems to be contributing to the crime rate by bringing in third world "refugees" at alarmingly frequent intervals and in increasingly large numbers. The last bunch were Somali Bantus. If you've never seen herds of African tribesmen wandering around yourtown, count yourself lucky. Within their first week, about 75% of them were already in jail for lighting things on fire.

Their second most noticable activity is sponsoring the "procession of the species" which is a large annual athiest parade here honoring darwin.
I'm sorry that The SA is distressing you- but I doubt they are 'bringing in' anyone, rather they will be seeking to help those in need without prejudice. Anyway, this is a friendship thread- we want to try to keep it light around here. So hello!

[Andy Broadley]

I am learning trombone...I am very bad- we are trying to get the kids going (we have no adult band) so those of us with kids are learning alongside. However- I play a mean timbrel!

I'm just off to place armour requests for some brass!

It is with deep embarressment that I admit to the fact that there exists a video recording of myself and five other male corps cadets doing a timbrel display. It was to 'lighten' the corps anniversary Saturday night festival. It certainly did that. You know that move where two people turn to one another and throw their timbrels to each other? I can't remember the name of it. Well we tried a variation whereby we split into two groups of three, in a line. Person 2 ducked to the florr while No 1 & No 3 threw their Timbrels accross over his head. The timoing was, shall we say, a little out!! No2 forgot to duck and the rest as they say is History. Hopefully, the offending tape has long since been lost. We did NOT do an encore.


BTW Abiel, as senior ranking member on this thread, that makes you CO of the CF Cyber Corps, *salutes*

[Andy Broadley]

Any Cornet players?

[Abiel]

BTW Abiel, as senior ranking member on this thread, that makes you CO of the CF Cyber Corps, *salutes*

WOW!!!!! Promotion at last! My secret is that as second in command here at Woodbridge, I am in the admirable postion of always having someone else to do the tough stuff! Captain wants me to do the distance learning college thing though, if I do I will need to get some 'chutzpah' (Is that right, Warren Peace? I dont even know if it is polite!) from somewhere. Nothing staggers me more than the fact that I am doing what I am doing. I am not at all brave, and a bit shy! Cyber Corps officership sounds so much more appealing!

[Abiel]

It is with deep embarressment that I admit to the fact that there exists a video recording of myself and five other male corps cadets doing a timbrel display.

I would pay good money to see this!:clap:

[Andy Broadley]

I would pay good money to see this!:clap:

Believe me you wouldn't. Ive seen it.

[Warren Peace]

WOW!!!!! Promotion at last! My secret is that as second in command here at Woodbridge, I am in the admirable postion of always having someone else to do the tough stuff! Captain wants me to do the distance learning college thing though, if I do I will need to get some 'chutzpah' (Is that right, Warren Peace? I dont even know if it is polite!) from somewhere. Nothing staggers me more than the fact that I am doing what I am doing. I am not at all brave, and a bit shy! Cyber Corps officership sounds so much more appealing!
Chutzpah is Yiddish for having nerve, gall or audacity. It is not an impolite word.

Chutzpah is when a person kills his parents and begs for leniency because he is now an orphan...

Blessings...

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Hmmm...

I must say that our corps is a bit more 'contemporary' than most corps - as in we don't have a brass band for services (we have drums, 3 guitars, keyboard, synth, singers), and we don't have a timbrel group. We had SAGALA, but after I filled my time as temporary leader (I only did temporary because I could only ever get there as the children were arriving, and didn't have ANY time to plan things beforehand), noone else was available to lead it - so we had kids club (activities for neighbourhood children from 3:30-6pm each Thursday) instead.

Sometimes we go to BCT (Brisbane City Temple), which is a lot more traditional with the brass band, timbrels etc. There is a QPAS (QLD Performing Art School) for 18-30 year olds each August, which is a lot of fun - electives like band, dance, timbrels, drama, etc...

Sasch

[chickette]

yeh, our church is pretty much the same as Sascha's. except we never had Sagala.....

On Sundays we have two services, the morning one being more traditional and thats when most families and older people go (and when we have the brass band play) and then at night we have a contempory service. Theres a church from my state that's produced their own cd. It's called I'll Fight and its awesome!

And how awesome is the shield we can get!!!!!

[Abiel]

We have no band, no pianist, no music except what cd's and midis can provide. It can be a bit drab- but we are praying hard for a new pianist.

How can we get hold of your corps cd Chickette?

[Abiel]

Hmmm...

I must say that our corps is a bit more 'contemporary' than most corps - as in we don't have a brass band for services (we have drums, 3 guitars, keyboard, synth, singers), and we don't have a timbrel group. We had SAGALA, but after I filled my time as temporary leader (I only did temporary because I could only ever get there as the children were arriving, and didn't have ANY time to plan things beforehand), noone else was available to lead it - so we had kids club (activities for neighbourhood children from 3:30-6pm each Thursday) instead.

Sometimes we go to BCT (Brisbane City Temple), which is a lot more traditional with the brass band, timbrels etc. There is a QPAS (QLD Performing Art School) for 18-30 year olds each August, which is a lot of fun - electives like band, dance, timbrels, drama, etc...

Sasch
We would settle for a one man band of drum, kazzo and knee cymbals at the moment!

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Awww... :hug: Abiel - I remember going to my step-sister's old church with no music (they were Church of Christ - apparently the stricter churches don't have music, just singing), and it was REALLY hard to get involved... I pray you get some musicians! :)

Chickette - which corps do you go to? I remember the CD coming out, but I can't remember who made it (I'm a Nth Brisbane Salvo), I have a feeling Michelle Kay had something to do with it??? She was a great music leader at Unlimited...

Sasch

[Andy Broadley]

Hi guys. I'm fed up today. Got the dratted flu and feel like yuck. In fact I'm brassed off (sorry, bad joke).


So, the bottom half of the cyber band is not looking too bad. We need cornets, tenor horns and Baritones next.

They used to say that you'd never see a miserable Salvationist, well you've seen one now (actually I've met hundreds).

[Abiel]

Hi guys. I'm fed up today. Got the dratted flu and feel like yuck. In fact I'm brassed off (sorry, bad joke).


So, the bottom half of the cyber band is not looking too bad. We need cornets, tenor horns and Baritones next.

They used to say that you'd never see a miserable Salvationist, well you've seen one now (actually I've met hundreds).

We are all ill here too. Number one son is the most well, and surviving on toast. Number two son delirious. Hubby just about functioning. I've been in bed until 3ish. There is a lot of flu about at the moment.

So count me in on the miserable salvo front...I've got a reason though!

My boys are both learning tenor horn bandmaster.

[Andy Broadley]

Wife came back from the shops with some Beechams capsules. They make you burn up but they seem to be doing some good. Not going to work tonight though.


Pleased to hear we have two tenor horns in training, still need a cornet or two.

[Abiel]

Leading home league and kids club today- i find a mixture of beechams, iboprofen and aspirin does the trick!

[Warren Peace]

My wife and I were just appointed to the Administrative Council at our corps. It's very interesting to understand the inner workings of a church...

Someone (Abiel maybe) told me in a private message last month that there is a female Sally Ann officer in England who is Jewish. I accidentally cleaned out all of my pm's, so I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me :)

Blessings...

[Victrixa]

I knew a Salvationist who was a Jew. He was an envoy and a doctor. :)

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It really bugs me, you Salvationists should really plead with Erwin to have a Salvation Army faith icon! Even a forum.... ;) Hehe, wouldn't that be cool? :cool: There are probably more Salvationists (or Adherents to S.A.) on Christian Forums than we can imagine.... :D

[Andy Broadley]

I knew a Salvationist who was a Jew. He was an envoy and a doctor. :)

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It really bugs me, you Salvationists should really plead with Erwin to have a Salvation Army faith icon! Even a forum.... ;) Hehe, wouldn't that be cool? :cool: There are probably more Salvationists (or Adherents to S.A.) on Christian Forums than we can imagine.... :D

If the CO hasn't already got it in hand, I'm sure it will come up at the first meeting of the CF Cyber Corps Council;) .

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Oh I've asked about 2/3 times (should pester again) - and then questioned which denom I should be in - a lot suggested Wesleyan Methodist - as that's where the Booth's started...

If you are looking for a forum devoted to Salvos - try www.salvosconnect.org.au - and click on the forum icon - it is an Aussie site (and most come from my corps), but there have been a few good conversations on the importance of soldiership, the uniform, soldiers v adherents, etc etc.

Sasch -> who apologises in advance if advertising another forum is against forum rules!!! :)

[Andy Broadley]

Oh I've asked about 2/3 times (should pester again) - and then questioned which denom I should be in - a lot suggested Wesleyan Methodist - as that's where the Booth's started...

:)

I know where you are coming from with the Wesleyan bit Sasch, but can't accept a church the size of the Army being called a similer denomination. We do need our own turf though.

How do you lobby Erwin, I've never done it?

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

I think there's a forum in the top section about requesting a forum/ask the mods, kinda thing - that's where I did it...

Sasch

[Andy Broadley]

Thanks Sascha. Andy is now off to make a nuicence of himself...

[Andy Broadley]

Done it. Started a thread asking for our own place in the congregation section. Be great if you all could post on there to really show the level of support for this.


I've also asked for a crest to be available as an Avatar.

[Warren Peace]

Done it. Started a thread asking for our own place in the congregation section. Be great if you all could post on there to really show the level of support for this.


I've also asked for a crest to be available as an Avatar.



Where did you start the thread? If you could paste the link to this thread, that would be wunderbar...

[Andy Broadley]

http://www.christianforums.com/t1174845-salvation-army.html



Sorry, didn't think of that (brain tired).

This one is the crest request
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=11001315#post11001315

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Ok, put my request in (again!)...

Thanks for starting up the requests Andy!!!

Sasch

[Abiel]

My wife and I were just appointed to the Administrative Council at our corps. It's very interesting to understand the inner workings of a church...

Someone (Abiel maybe) told me in a private message last month that there is a female Sally Ann officer in England who is Jewish. I accidentally cleaned out all of my pm's, so I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me :)

Blessings...

She is a lady called MAjor Ruth Stannett, currently based at Ipswich Citadel, SUffolk. They will no doubt return to the Czech Republic at some point- they have a real heart for the place.

[Abiel]

Off to run a jumble sale- 3 for a £1! must dash- will pester later, promise!

[Andy Broadley]

Three jumble sales for a pound, sounds like a good bargain.

[Abiel]

Three jumble sales for a pound, sounds like a good bargain.


:doh:

Made £35 on tut, £13 on coffee, rattled the cage of a backslider, and shared time with some lovely folk.
My elderly friend has made me promise to stop taking asprin, ibuprofen and paracetemol to cope with my fluy cold. So now feeling very ill again

Captain has banned me from heralding tomorrow- so I reckon I'll sleep it off.

[Victrixa]

Okay, now, ahem, beg Erwin for a Salvation Army faith icon as well..... ;) :D

I added my support to the request threads, by the way!

It's wonderful that the Salvation Army shield is in the armor section! :thumbsup: :cool:

[Abiel]

Added my support to forum thread.

I like just being a plain christian when it comes to faith icons.

The shield is great...and free like I asked! hurray! means it is first on the list. 36 have been sold...where are they all- proof we need a forum! ( a sneaky move that William Booth would be proud of!)

[Abiel]

Night all salvos every where. Off to bed to mope a bit. Can't think of anything wise to say. I know... what ever you do...do it with love.

[Andy Broadley]

Night all salvos every where. Off to bed to mope a bit. Can't think of anything wise to say. I know... what ever you do...do it with love.

Many prayers for our CO. Stick to paracetamol for your flu, don't mix things. God Bless, sleep well. Talk again tomorrow

[Andy Broadley]

Here's one to think about for a minute. I was raised in the Army and served for many years. Eventually, meeting my wife and moving town resulted in me now woeshipping at an Anglican Church. My wife was Christened as a baby in the C of E, whilst I was, obviously, dedicated in the Army (by a Brigadeer no less).

Recently, the subject of confirmation was broached to us by our vicar. Following some discussion it transpired that whilst Karen could be confirmed, I would first have to be baptised as they did not recognise my Army dedication.

We have now arrived at something of an en passe, because I consider my dedication to be as valid and meaningful as Karen's Christening. I therefore cannot be confirmed unless I back down on this point of principal, which to me would devalue the meaning of my dedication.

However, the main drawback of not being confirmed seems to be that I cannot receive communion. As this was never part of my Army practices, I can't say it bothers me overduely.

I know I'm only being awkward and stubborn, but it's a principal I feel strongly about. If I can't have communion then so be it. I'll still be an active church member and this situation will not have a negative bearing on that.

What do you guys think. Is our dedication service on a par with a C of E Christening?

[Warren Peace]

Andy,

I strongly agree with your principles. I also think that you should do what is best for your wife to keep your relationship with her strong.

Whether you choose the path of Anglican or the path of Salvation Army, you are doing right by Christ. Consider your baptism with the Anglican church to be in addition to your Army dedication, not a replacement. That way, you can't go wrong.

You can't do anything that pleases everyone, and since you are already pleasing Jesus, then do the next best thing and please your family. I assure you that if you pray hard over this one with your family that you will agree that keeping peace within your new church is what He wants for you.

The Army used to do communion until they realized that many people came for the wine and not the ritual. It is a very righteous and biblical ceremony, and your new church should offer grape juice in place of wine for those who ask for it.

There are many other ways to remember the body and the blood of Christ, which is why the Army felt it was ok to exclude it from the Sunday service. But whether you choose to do it in the Anglican church or not, your decision will be right with Him so long as you make your decision for the right reason... and that's all that matters.

Praying for you brother...

[Andy Broadley]

Thanks Warren thats great advice. Think I'll dig the old heels in a bit first though, you never know.

[chickette]

Chickette - which corps is that? I remember the CD coming out, but I can't remember who made it (I'm a Nth Brisbane Salvo), I have a feeling Michelle Kay had something to do with it??? She was a great music leader at Unlimited...

Try the website www.illfight.com (http://www.illfight.com/) It has a lot more info than I can give ya!

Don't know who Michelle Kay is?

And I think you can order the cd from there or from maybe another salvo site?

[MandaJ320]

the Salvation Army is awesome!!!! i went there while dating a member in SC. i would go to one here if there was one nearby.

[Abiel]

the Salvation Army is awesome!!!! i went there while dating a member in SC. i would go to one here if there was one nearby.

Well, welcome to the Cyber Corps! I'm Tracy by the way. Abiel is a long story which I might share one day!

Try not to be sad.

[Abiel]

Thanks Warren thats great advice. Think I'll dig the old heels in a bit first though, you never know.

I think it may be the case that the Army sees the soldiers vows as being the equivalent of baptism.
I'm a bit puzzled though. We Salvationists can go to the local Cof E and take communion freely. In fact, we often make a posse for midnight mass. It is not true that you cannot recieve communion- that is a descision that your current vicar has taken. Dont want to stir up trouble, but at his discretion, I think you could receive communion.
It could be that he genuinely believes that unbaptised people are not saved- I have come across this so much on this forum, to the extent that I have been told I am definitely going to hell (despite infant baptism and conformation! not enough water I guess!)
One of the reasons the Army abandoned these rites, is because they cause arguments between Christians. CF is proof of that! There will always be someone who thinks you are not baptised enough.

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

I was baptised as a child (old pentecostal family). I don't believe it's NECESSARY for Salvation (I've been going into a forum which is arguing black and blue that it IS), but is a good declaration to the world of the fact that you have accepted Jesus as saviour and are now following Him. I would assume becoming an Adherent or Soldier in the SA would achieve the same things? I do know that our church has occasionally offered baptisms in a nearby pool, if people do wish to be baptised.

My bf (who also attends the SA), was raised Lutheran, so his infant baptism and late on confirmation are used as baptism in that denomination. He's planning to be an Adherent (I became one in 2002) very soon, and feels this will be as symbolic of his public declaration as a baptism would.

I feel that if you have confessed your sins, and accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour - you are a Christian! I can't really believe that baptism is essential for that, otherwise what about the Thief on the Cross, and all the Christians before Jesus came?

Sasch

[Believer-in-Christ]

The Salvation Army does so much awsome work around the world. I haven't donated a lot to them but even the little I have has helped.

[Andy Broadley]

I think it may be the case that the Army sees the soldiers vows as being the equivalent of baptism.
I'm a bit puzzled though. We Salvationists can go to the local Cof E and take communion freely. In fact, we often make a posse for midnight mass. It is not true that you cannot recieve communion- that is a descision that your current vicar has taken. Dont want to stir up trouble, but at his discretion, I think you could receive communion.
It could be that he genuinely believes that unbaptised people are not saved- I have come across this so much on this forum, to the extent that I have been told I am definitely going to hell (despite infant baptism and conformation! not enough water I guess!)
One of the reasons the Army abandoned these rites, is because they cause arguments between Christians. CF is proof of that! There will always be someone who thinks you are not baptised enough.

That was the same for us as well at first. We both went up and knelt, and both recieved communion. It was only quite recently, when I started taking my stand about dedication vis a vis Chistening, that it changed. Now we both go up and kneel. Karen is given communion and I am blessed.

Now the amount that this bothers me you could fit inside a matchbox, without taking the matches out first. In fact I find it a little comical really. I certainly don't feel that not having the Sacrements is damageing my relationship with Christ.

The most important thing is that first, formost, and above all, I am a Christian. As Sascha pointed out, none of this is necessary for Salvation. I have been dedicated, made my promises as a junior soldier and as a senior soldier, signed the Articles of War etc. etc.

I am satisfied that this is sufficiant for God. If it not sufficiant for the C of E, then thats their problem, and I'll take my chances on judgement day.

If they decide to accept it, then fine, I'm happy to be confirmed. If not I'll have to comb my hair into a quiff(while theres still enough left) and start turning up the collar of my suit!!;) ;)

[Warren Peace]

One of the reasons the Army abandoned these rites, is because they cause arguments between Christians. CF is proof of that! There will always be someone who thinks you are not baptised enough. :confused:

If we abandoned everything that causes arguments between Christians, then there wouldn't be anything left to Christianity ;)

[Andy Broadley]

A great day is upon us

[Andy Broadley]

This is wonderful. A place of our very own to meet and share. The honour of the first post in our new home should really go to our CO who started the thread that got us to this place.


I certainly am neither worthy nor able to find the right words for an occasion like this, so I hope everyone will agree that there can be few words better suited than those of General Booth himself

While women weep as they do now, I'll fight; while little children go hungry as they do now, I'll fight; while men go to prison, in and out, in and out, as they do now, I'll fight; while there is a drunkard left, while there is a poor lost girl on the streets, while there remains one dark soul without the light of God, I'll fight . I'll fight to the very end.



93 years later those words ring out as our orders, in every way as strongly as they did in 1912.

My prayer for this cyber corps is that, while many of us now share faith in other churches, we can still come together here, as can everyone, and take the fight to Satan, through whichever denomination we belong to. *salutes*

[Victrixa]

Dear Envoy Abiel and my Salvationist friends,

Do you mind me coming regularly for a visit in your Cyber Corps even though I now adhere to Catholicism (and am very convinced by it)? I would like to come and fellowship in an ecunemical spirit. I love my Salvation Army brothers and sisters and have such wonderful memories as an ex-Salvationist!!!

Hugs to all! :hug: :kiss:

[Andy Broadley]

Whosoever will may come.


You will be welcomed with open arms whenever you want to come here. God Bless

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Oh Please Join Us! :D

And Andy - we have the 'I'll fight' slogan on t-shirts over here now (they are black with the shield on the front, and the cry on the back). I can't manage to find a link to anywhere you can buy them, but there's usually a lot of youth wearing them during church...

Sasch

[Bradford]

Mod recordkeeping note:

Thread moved from Friendship Court to Cyber Corps- Salvation Army.

Thread is now in a Christians Only forum, therefore Rule 6 does now attach.

[chickette]

Oh Please Join Us! :D

And Andy - we have the 'I'll fight' slogan on t-shirts over here now (they are black with the shield on the front, and the cry on the back). I can't manage to find a link to anywhere you can buy them, but there's usually a lot of youth wearing them during church...

Sasch

I have one of them in white! I wanted to be different cos everyone got them in black! Did u come down here for the Double Impact conference? Thats where I got mine from.

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Not sure (some who wear them did go to the conference, I think) - I do know there were some for sale at the UNLIMITED conferences up here and in Sydney last year.

I think they're really cool - been wanting to find where to buy them from, but they seemed to swallow up into the earth after conference...

Sasch

[Victrixa]

Thank you Andy and Sascha! :hug:


Okay now, everyone, shouldn't there be a C.F. Cyber Corps Photo Album? ;)

[Andy Broadley]

Here's one to think about for a minute. I was raised in the Army and served for many years. Eventually, meeting my wife and moving town resulted in me now woeshipping at an Anglican Church. My wife was Christened as a baby in the C of E, whilst I was, obviously, dedicated in the Army (by a Brigadeer no less).

Recently, the subject of confirmation was broached to us by our vicar. Following some discussion it transpired that whilst Karen could be confirmed, I would first have to be baptised as they did not recognise my Army dedication.

We have now arrived at something of an en passe, because I consider my dedication to be as valid and meaningful as Karen's Christening. I therefore cannot be confirmed unless I back down on this point of principal, which to me would devalue the meaning of my dedication.

However, the main drawback of not being confirmed seems to be that I cannot receive communion. As this was never part of my Army practices, I can't say it bothers me overduely.

I know I'm only being awkward and stubborn, but it's a principal I feel strongly about. If I can't have communion then so be it. I'll still be an active church member and this situation will not have a negative bearing on that.

What do you guys think. Is our dedication service on a par with a C of E Christening?



Felt the need to share this on here tonight, but please bear with me as my thought processes are still putting it all together.


I have a feeling that God is speaking to me on this. I never have been, and never will be, any good at remembering any but the most important of Christian calander dates. So I had no idea when I arrived at church this morning that it is in fact the day when they celebrate the baptism of Jesus. In her sermon the vicar spoke about the church and baptism, and what it meant and entailed, which in the main seemed to be pretty much the same as the Army dedication. And then she used a strange expression. She said that through the Christening/baptism service we are 'dedicated to God'.

That made me sit up a bit!! However, it could well have been a co incidence (not that I believe in them mind). But during the announcements earlier, she had related to us how an elderly member of the congregation had died following a long illness, and made a point of saying that she had been 'promoted to Glory'.

I had no idea about the significance of today when I posted this a couple of days ago, and it just seems that the way it is slotting together, God is speaking to me. I know I've got a lot more praying and a lot more listening to do, but right now I think the message seems to be

"Relax, it's OK, you're where I want you, leave it to me"

So please, if possible, chuck the odd prayer in the heavenly in tray for me. It's kinda scary when God talks directly to you on something. I mean, you hear about it happenning to other people all the time, but when it happens to you....

Sort of blows you away. Anyways, I'll keep you posted.

[chickette]

Not sure (some who wear them did go to the conference, I think) - I do know there were some for sale at the UNLIMITED conferences up here and in Sydney last year.

I think they're really cool - been wanting to find where to buy them from, but they seemed to swallow up into the earth after conference...

Sasch

Yeh I ordered mine from the conference and it took ages before I got mine but after that they just seemed to stop making them. I know Box Hill in Melbourne sells alot of Salvo clothing. Whether they sell some over the net or anything I'm not sure?

[Victrixa]

This forum feels just like home to me (a second home, next to OBOB). I can't explain it. It's so nice to have Salvationists on CF! I think I'll very often hang around here. :D

:hug: :hug: for everyone!

[chickette]

:hug: :hug: :hug:

I know what you mean. This is really the only place on Christian Forums that I've felt like I can actually fit in.....The rest of the site is just too big!!!!!!!:scratch:

[Abiel]

And now we have our own congregation! Hurray!

[Bradford]

Now that CC-SA is here, and this thread is IN the Salvation Army forum...

Why not rename the thread? (I'm the only one that can do that, so, feel free to pick a new name and PM me, or just post it here).

[Andy Broadley]

At last. I finally figured out how to change my avetar.


I don't know about renaming this thread. What would we change it to? CO's decision I reckon.

[Abiel]

OK. How about The Blood and Fire Drop-In ? Or we could collect some suggestions and have a quick poll.

[chickette]

YAY! Go Blood and Fire! We had it as our cell group name for a while but our youth pastor didn't like it! Which was kinda dumb since we are the Salvation Army!

[Abiel]

I found out I am related (sort of) to another member of the Corps today, which given neither of us have any family living in our original stomping grounds is weird. It works like this. My husband and sons can claim Captain James Cook as an ancestor, and after a chat at Home League lunch today, Dorothy told me she too claims this ancestry. So hence forth, Auntie Dorothy, though I guess I could be the auntie, but since she is over 80, I think she has claim to seniority!

[Andy Broadley]

Hey - that's really cool

[Andy Broadley]

Going off line now guys as I've a few things to do before I go home at 10pm.


Have a good day/night/evening or whatever it is where you are.

God Bless you all, and I'll catch up with you tomorrow.

[Abiel]

Looks like the UK is starting to sign off. What's my thought for tonight???

Never forget- we are Saved to Save.

[Abiel]

Off to the jumble I go! See you all later! 7:50am gmt

[Andy Broadley]

Glad to see your jumble sale ministry is thriving

[elm0]

Jumble sale ministry hey? What is that exactly?

My wife and I went through all our belongings and sold stuff at our corps' monthly markets when raising money to pay for our Zimbabwe mission trip. We're thinking of continuing it now to raise funds for the camp we were based at while in Zim.

[Bradford]

Hope everyone is having a good day :)

(Thread stickied)

[elm0]

:wave: I'm about to go and try to sleep yet again. I'll probably be back in half an hour or so. Either way, talk to you later. :wave:

[Abiel]

Jumble sale ministry hey? What is that exactly?

My wife and I went through all our belongings and sold stuff at our corps' monthly markets when raising money to pay for our Zimbabwe mission trip. We're thinking of continuing it now to raise funds for the camp we were based at while in Zim.

Jumble sale= selling old stuff people give us 3 items for £1. Refreshments available also.

Motivation=raises a bit of money to pay a few bills etc.
Ulterior motive= opens doors, chatting with regulars who dont come to Sunday meetings, being available etc etc

Today £40 raised. One ex soldier chatted to. One family tracing contact made. Several lonely elderly ministered to. One lady encouraged in her efforts to learn sigh language. One Captain and one Envoy not doing paperwork, and having fun!

[elm0]

Thanx Abiel, I knew what a jumble sale is, just wasn't sure how you were using it as a ministry opportunity. Sounds great, always nicer to spend time with people rather than paper.

[Abiel]

Thanx Abiel, I knew what a jumble sale is, just wasn't sure how you were using it as a ministry opportunity. Sounds great, always nicer to spend time with people rather than paper.

I have learned not to take language for granted on CF-I once had to explain conkers to an American.

[elm0]

Well we all know Americans don't speak English......

[Bradford]

Well we all know Americans don't speak English......
"We are one people divided by a common language"- Winston Churchill.

How true that is. First time I was in London, and told to take "the lift", I started looking around for what I was expected to carry. :doh:

I have since learned ;)

[Andy Broadley]

Well we all know Americans don't speak English......


ROFL:D :D :D This from a nation that can't even read a cricket score out the right way round;)

[elm0]

Isn't cricket a type of insect?

This from an Australian who was born in South Africa and has an English father!!!

[Andy Broadley]

*having sat and scratched head and thought for a few minutes* I can't think of an answer to that!!:D :D :D :D


Perhaps you true nationality then should be Ausglobokian

[Andy Broadley]

I've got a little story to tell you. While I was still at school (about 25 years ago) I used to visit a very elderly gentleman in an old peoples home near me. Joe was in his late 90's at the time, and could even tell me stories of when he served in South Africa during the Boer War!! This isn't about that though.


He had been a Salvationist all his life. During the first world war, Joe was serving in the infantry. He used to wear his Salvationists jerkin under his infantry tunic (a jerkin was a crew necked pullover with a large Army crest embroidered on the front). I'll relate the story as Joe told it to me (or as close as I can remember)

"We were in an attack on the enemy lines. The fire was so heavy that I found myself down at the bottom of a shell hole. As I reached the bottom I realised that I was not alone in the hole. There was a German soldier there as well, and he looked as scared as I felt. Whichever one of us reacted first would be the one who lived. We both garbbed for our weapons and he beat me to it by a second. He was about to kill me with his beyonet when he threw his rifle down, pointed to my chest and shouted 'commerade'. I looked down and saw that my tunic had come open as I slithered into the shell hole and the crest on my jerkin was visible. As I tried to understand what was happening, he tore open his own tunic and he had a jerkin on as well. He was a Salvationist in Germany!!"

"Well, neither of us could speak the others language. So we showed each other photo's of our wives and the such, and shared a couple of cigarettes (smoking was allowed then), and some chocolate he had. Then we waited till nightfall, shook hands, and made our way back to our own lines".


There was no doubt in Joe's mind that without his Army jerkin, he would have died in that shell hole.

Don't know why that came back to me today. I havn't thought about it in years. Just thought you might find it interesting.

I know it's a bit early in the year, but when November comes round and the rememberence services take place, make sure you all buy a poppy, and take time to remember all those who died, and what they died for.

And remember old Joe Johnson. They just don't make 'em like that any more....

God Bless.

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Well it was good to see an Aussie in here to keep Andy and Abiel out of trouble! ;) (I do feel sad for you elm0 that you couldn't sleep)...

I'm just thinking, can you imagine a non-salvationist walking in here to see 'blood and fire' - I'd love to hear what they think we're talking about! ^_^ By the way, I think the name change is fabulous!

Sasch

[chickette]

Ah, but Blood and Fire is the coolest name ever. But our old youth pastor thought it was too full on and we weren't allowed to have it as a cell group name......

But that's an awesome story! Thanks for posting it Andy!

[elm0]

WOW!! Andy, that story is amazing!!

As for my not having said anything for a while, well I kinda dozed off :D and when I came around 5 hours later Bek was on the computer and it was afternoon.

[Andy Broadley]

*Andy puts his head round the door* Hi Guys. Hows it going.

[Abiel]

*Tracy's in the kitchen* I've put the urn on for a nice cup of tea. Take the weight off your feet.

[Abiel]

I also have chocolate hob nobs

[Andy Broadley]

Any music stands?

[Abiel]

Obviously, you need tea to strengthen you in your quest.

[Andy Broadley]

Yes please. No sugar (diet). So, sadly, no hob nobs either...:cry:

[Abiel]

Have a nice piece of fruit instead.

[Abiel]

Or a high bran ryvita

[Andy Broadley]

No thanks, tea will be fine. Aha!! Under the platform. Havn't looked there yet *wanders off*

[Abiel]

I've come for a moan. I'm still feeling ill, though less ill than a week ago. I'm tired and the cough wont go, and I have pulled a muscle in my side which makes the cough hurt.
I'm leading the meeting this Sunday morning, and it is rambling rubbish so far. Throughly cheesed off. I'm going to eat the virtual hob nobs.

[Andy Broadley]

Right, lets get you sorted out. First of all the illness. If you've got a Netto near you, they have a bronchial balsam medicine. It only costs about 85p. Cured me in 2 days. Good Stuff!!


OK. Sunday morning. Who says it's rambling rubbish? You? Or God?

Are you leading the meeting, or is God leading the meeting through you? If it's the first one, then you are onto a loser no matter how good you think it sounds. If it's the second one, then why not just trust God to do what He is good at? What you think is rambling rubbish, could well be exactly what someone needs to hear in that meeting, and indeed forms the backbone of Gods plan.

So, 3 bits of advice.

Enjoy the hob nobs
Get the medicine
Trust God (He knows what He's doing);)

O yes, get an early night. Do you the world of good.

God Bless.

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Sorry you aren't feeling well Abiel! :(

I NEED COFFEE! Why the heck am I up this early on a Saturday (ok, it's an hour later than on a weekday, but still!) - oh that's right, beauty appointment... blah...

Need sleep. Ahhhhhhh....


Sasch

[Andy Broadley]

OK, that's my lot for tonight. For those just getting up, have a good day. For those going to bed, sleep well, and God Bless to everyone, wherever you are and whatever you are doing.


Catch you tomorrow.;)

[Athanasian Creed]

Wow - a Salvation Army Forum - cool !!!:D

I was raised in the Salvation Army and became a junior soldier in the early 70's (do they still have that ??) - all my mom's side is SA. Even have a cousin who was an officer way back when. My granny had a SA funeral "Promoted to Glory" (i love that) :thumbsup:

I'm grateful for the influence the Army had in my formative years. It was there i learned the importance of being a servant, not only of the Master but of those around us as unto Christ. I have many, many fond memories - my gosh, i was so involved in everything the Army had to offer - the band, Scouts, various youth programs, camping, etc. I think i was involved 4 nights out of the week and on Sunday's for services.:clap:

That being said, i hope and PRAY the Army keeps it's focus primarily on Jesus and the His Gospel and it's social outreach secondarily.;)



Ray :wave:

[Warren Peace]

That's a beautiful testimony, and a great plug for the Sally Ann to boot!

Most corps still have junior soldiering still...

[Victrixa]

Hi everyone! :wave: :hug: Hope y'all doin' fine? :D

It's so cool to read these 'things' which are Salvation Army related! It just brings back all those memories and the pride I had in being a Salvationist!

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Wow, most of you all are either British or Australian! Are there still many Salvationists in Great Britain?

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I love tea! Actually, I drink lots of it, with milk (like the British) or without. It depends on the type of tea!

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It'd be cool to see your pictures. Especially of you in your uniform, if you have one. ;) (I'm willing to share a few of when I was a uniformed Salvationist, hehe. I'm game! Anyone else is game?)
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God bless you all!

[Abiel]

Right, lets get you sorted out. First of all the illness. If you've got a Netto near you, they have a bronchial balsam medicine. It only costs about 85p. Cured me in 2 days. Good Stuff!!


OK. Sunday morning. Who says it's rambling rubbish? You? Or God?

Are you leading the meeting, or is God leading the meeting through you? If it's the first one, then you are onto a loser no matter how good you think it sounds. If it's the second one, then why not just trust God to do what He is good at? What you think is rambling rubbish, could well be exactly what someone needs to hear in that meeting, and indeed forms the backbone of Gods plan.

So, 3 bits of advice.

Enjoy the hob nobs
Get the medicine
Trust God (He knows what He's doing);)

O yes, get an early night. Do you the world of good.

God Bless.


Yes Sir!!!!!!!;) I slept very well.

I've got today to sort it all out. The family have a new Gamecube game with lots of shooting, so they probably wont emerge from the lounge until lunchtime. Stinking head ache this morning. Just about to make a cup of tea. I'll put a cosy on the pot if anyone else wants one.

[Andy Broadley]

Hello. Just dropped by to see who is around. I'm at work all night, so looking for something to pass the time. Brits are in bed, Oz are at church, so any Americans around?

[Warren Peace]

Hello. Just dropped by to see who is around. I'm at work all night, so looking for something to pass the time. Brits are in bed, Oz are at church, so any Americans around?

1 Canadian... North American, but not American ;)

[Andy Broadley]

Close enough Warren, at least you're awake. What you doing? Anything good

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Hey Warren,

I wanted to say thank you for my wonderful cup of coffee! Much appreciated! :)

God bless,

Sasch

[Andy Broadley]

Cool!! England, Ontario, and Brisbane, all chilling together (especially Ontario eh Warren), good thing the here internet thingummybob.

[Victrixa]

I remember when I was a Salvationist how the Salvationists around me were coffee drinkers.... heavy coffee drinkers! Now who drinks more coffee? Salvationists or Lutherans? ;) :D

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Salvationists... Lutheran always have the communal port as a backup! :P

Our 'communion with the saints' would be the hazelnut cappucinos we get in the cafe after the service! ^_^

Sasch

[Andy Broadley]

I always thought we were famous for our tea

[Victrixa]

I always thought we were famous for our tea

Maybe it's the Salvationists in North America who are heavy coffee drinkers, not in Great Britain? ;)

[Abiel]

Tea! Tea! Tea!

[elm0]

Was someone offering a cuppa?

[Abiel]

Lets all sing: SASB 821!

We're an Army fighting for a glorious King!
We will make the world with Hallelujahs ring;
With victorious voices we will ever sing:
There's salvation for the world.

For the world, for the world, Jesus died, Jesus died,
For the world, for the world, there is room at Jesus' side.
All the world to save, to battle we will go,
And we ever will our colours boldly show,
With a trumpet voice we'll let the millions know
There's salvation for the world.

We're an Army brave, arrayed in armour bright;
We will turn the world from darkness into light;
As we march along we'll shout with all our might:
There's salvation for the world.

For the world, for the world, Jesus dies, Jesus died,
For the world, for the world, there is room at Jesus' side.
All the world to save, to battle we will go,
And we ever will our colours boldly show,
With a trumpet voice we'll let the millions know
There's salvation for the world.

We're an Army saved, by blood and fire made strong;
And with righteousness we mean to conquer wrong;
This shall be our universal battle song:
There's salvation for the world.

For the world, for the world, Jesus dies, Jesus died,
For the world, for the world, there is room at Jesus' side.
All the world to save, to battle we will go,
And we ever will our colours boldly show,
With a trumpet voice we'll let the millions know
There's salvation for the world.


Prayer time:

Our Father in heaven
Hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom comes
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us,
And lead us not into temptation, but deliever us from evil.
For yours is the kingdom, the power and the glory
For ever and ever
Amen.


Bible reading: Matthew 25:31-40

MT 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
MT 25:34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

MT 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

MT 25:40 "The King will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

The message:

Let get out there and feed Jesus, give Jesus a drink, visit Jesus and clothe Jesus. Not by in our own strength, but by His spirit,

Final Song: SASB 512

My life must be Christ's broken bread,
My love his outpoured wine
A cup o'erfilled, a table spread
Beneath his name and sign,
That other souls, refreshed and fed,
MAy share his life through mine.

My all is in my Master's hands
For him to bless and break;
Beyond the brook his winepress stands
And thence my way to take,
Resolved the whole of love's demands
To give, for his dear sake.

Lord let me share that grace of thine
Wherewith thou didst sustain
The burden of the fruitful vine,
The gift of buried grain.
Who dies with thee, O word divine,
Shall rise again with thee.

A blessing: Sasb 955

Jesus so dear to us
Jesus, be near to us
Jesus give ear to us
Each as we pray;
Jesus, whate'er betide,
Jesus, be friend and guide,
Jesus, be by our side
Now and for aye.



Please join me for a time of tea and fellowship!

[Abiel]

I also have hob nobs.

[elm0]

What are hob nobs?

[Abiel]

A very yummy biscuit, oaty and crumbly, available with a chocolate topping, plain or milk.

[elm0]

MMMM, I'll have me a couple of them please, wiff me cuppa tea.

[Andy Broadley]

I'm going to eat the virtual hob nobs.


O bother!! Too Late


BTW - I was well impressed by the way you made them clap in the first song of a HOLINESS meeting.

That's brave. :bow: :thumbsup:

[Abiel]

So spontaneous!

Well the 'real' meeting I did this morning went well. 3rd Sunday is 'family meeting' (like the others aren't??) and January is generally resolutions/committment, so we looked at Daniel this morning. The YP enjoyed pinning the tail on a very fierce lion, ably voiced by the CS. I managed not to cough my guts up in the message- praise God!

We did have clapping by song 2- which was just the way it was meant to be!

[Andy Broadley]

Congrats boss, glad it went OK this morning. Are you going to post your message for us all to share?

[Abiel]

Crikey- it aint all that! Here's an abbreviated version:

1.Daniel was a man of his convictions, which were Godly, not from society.
2.We should examime our lifestyle to ensure it is Godly. Here are 3 ways we could do that: a) Would we be embarrassed if others knew? Would we invite Jesus to join in?
b) Would we encourage others to join us? What kind of community/world would result?
c) Could you pray for God's blessing on your activity.

It takes courage to be a person of biblical character. Every day we have choices to make which show courage or cowardice, to live by our biblical convictions, or cave in for the sake of comfort, greed or approval.

3 ways to be strengthened in courage:

1- participate in worship at church
2- spend time with God every day. Read Bible. Pray.
3- get involved in Christian fellowship.

2PE 1:5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7 and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hopefully, we wont be faced with the choice of becoming the lions' lunch or denying our faith this week- but we may be tempted in less dramatic ways, to put the acceptance of friends and the acquiring of stuff before God.

Daniel made a difference- we are called to make a difference. To be salt and light in a dark, tasteless world.

Then we sang song 862 'O Jesus I have promised' which was apt. And made me think.

[Abiel]

Night night. Mind those bed bugs!

[chaplainjared]

i love the salvos 2. only been a soldier for about 4 months. but been attending for 3 years.

oh cool, just hit my 100 posting

[elm0]

Well, we've been a very quiet bunch today. Oh well, good night all, time for me to get some sleep.

[Abiel]

Hello elmo, and night night!

[Andy Broadley]

Good timing that! I arrive just as everyone else goes to bed.

[Abiel]

Not all! But off to get kids soon!

[Andy Broadley]

Reached a happy stage in our childrens growing process recently. The youngest one has now reached the stage where he can be dropped off at school, rather than having to be taken into class. Morning school run now takes about 10 minutes (5mins each way) instead of half an hour. All the others go independantly now so only youngest to take.

[elm0]

I manged to get to sleep about 3 hours after I said goodnight, thanks to the lovely neighbours, who seem to get hard of hearing when they're drunk. Either that or they just thought it would be nice to share their music with the neighourhood.

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

LOL...

neighbours next to B seem to do that too - I thought the curfew on music was 10pm... NOT for these guys - spin the bottle and loud techno music at 1am do not a happy Sasch make!

Sasch

[elm0]

It's half past midnight and I'm still awake! I guess I'll just do an all-nighter, more chance of a decent night's sleep tonight.

[Abiel]

Hi there elm0, are you sleepy yet?

[elm0]

Nah, the TV has been keeping me awake nicely. Currently watching a U2 concert that was filmed at Slane Castle in Ireland.

[Abiel]

What time is it with you? Half past 3 in the afternoon here.

[elm0]

1:40AM here.

Hey can you tell us some more about this mission in Woodbridge I just read about in the Mercy Seat thread. more detail makes it easier to pray for stuff.

[Abiel]

Well, Woodbridge is a real old folks retirement place. For a year now, we have been going to a sheltered housing place, Wilding Court, one Sunday evening a month, for fellowship and worship. We are part of the fixtures now, and much looked forward to. We think it might be time to offer a similar service to other residential places in the town. Woodbridge is a small town (15,000 population) with I guess 15+ elderly care homes/sheltered residences. The mission is to GO! to where the people are. We have only one Sunday evening meeting a month at the Corps, so that leaves at least 2 more available! (5 sunday is Churches together).
We are also exploring the possibility of expanding our after school club to another location in the town- a logistical nightmare, but probably where God wants us.
At the same time, the Corps really needs families to come in, so we are trying to keep all these balls in the air at the same time!

[elm0]

Wow, sounds fantastic. Expanding is always difficult, especially without more people being involved. I'll be praying for you all as you consider the possibilities.

I don't know if this is at all feasible for your corps, but our corps own a small bus (20 seater I think) which is used to offer a bus service for those who can't get themselves to and from the services.

[Abiel]

We have a mini bus- a major drain on finance, worth every penny.

[Andy Broadley]

Greetings comrades!! Just a flying visit for now. Had a job dropped on me from very high, and he wants it done like, yesterday, so got to go get on. Should be back later.

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Morning peoples,

Not having a good say so far - both my boyfriend and I are home sick. Think we'll both spend the day asleep. Might go and keep him company later.

elm0 - if you missed any of the concert, and would like to see some more - I have the full concert on DVD.

Sasch

[Warren Peace]

...both my boyfriend and I are home sick...
Oh, is that what you Down Underers call it? ;)

Hope you feel better... chicken soup for the next two days ought to help :thumbsup:

[Abiel]

Like the sig Warren- Jesus is my final answer!

Night night all. Busy day tomorrow- Home League and kids club...who will be the naughtiest?!?

[Abiel]

Morning peoples,

Not having a good say so far - both my boyfriend and I are home sick. Think we'll both spend the day asleep. Might go and keep him company later.

elm0 - if you missed any of the concert, and would like to see some more - I have the full concert on DVD.

Sasch

Hope you have a snuggly blanket if cold, or a cooling breeze if too hot.

[elm0]

Think we'll both spend the day asleep. Might go and keep him company later.

I don't think driving over there in your sleep would be very clever Sascha. And if you're both asleep, keeping him company won't really matter, he won't notice.

[Lady_Firehawk]

Hello! :wave:

Glad to see that Salvation Army peeps got their own forum-- I'm sorta nondenom now, but my first real meeting with Christ was at a children's camp run by the Salvation Army, when I was 8 years old. :) (Camp Kuratli in Oregon, to be exact.)

I still have the little card thingy I signed while I was there... it now has a permanent residence in my wallet. :D Sooo... yeah, guess I can say I have a soft spot there. :)

[Abiel]

Hello! :wave:
my first real meeting with Christ was at a children's camp run by the Salvation Army, when I was 8 years old. :) (Camp Kuratli in Oregon, to be exact.)



This kind of story warms my heart. It's not about making Salvationists, it's about making Christian disciples.

[Abiel]

Just stopped myself from wading into another general theology thread which has rapidly turned into an 'i shall not suffer a woman to speak' thread.I don't know whether this is a sign of increasing maturity on my part, or whether I have just given up! I think I had better start another salvo thread!

[elm0]

This kind of story warms my heart. It's not about making Salvationists, it's about making Christian disciples.

Exactly! That should be what all churches are about!

I went on a Scripture Union beach mission once, and from what I knew of SU and them being non-denom was looking forward to it.

As it turned out all but one person on the team were Baptist, we had a minister from the local Anglican Church coming along and doing the morning team devotions for us. It was great, Christians sitting together and sharing from God's Word.

On the Sunday morning we all went to the Anglican Church, and were joined by a couple of the local street kids we'd gotten to know during the week. It was fantastic I thought, us Baptists taking these kids to an Anglican Church seemed to me to sum up how we should be.

[Andy Broadley]

Just dropped by to say YO!!

[elm0]

Hi Andy :wave:

Hi everyone else :wave:

[Warren Peace]

:crossrc: Heavenly Father,

:angel: I have had a very rough day today. Please grant me the peace and serenity for tomorrow so that I don't lose it and kill someone.

:thumbsup: Father, in case the peace and serenity thing doesn't work, please also grant me the strength to carry away the bodies of those that didn't know what hit 'em.

:amen:

[elm0]

I don't want to upset you at all Warren, but this is the fellowship thread, not the prayer thread.

:P

[Andy Broadley]

:crossrc: Heavenly Father,

:angel: I have had a very rough day today. Please grant me the peace and serenity for tomorrow so that I don't lose it and kill someone.

:thumbsup: Father, in case the peace and serenity thing doesn't work, please also grant me the strength to carry away the bodies of those that didn't know what hit 'em.

:amen:


First of all, Warren, that is brilliant!!:thumbsup:


The reason for this post is something I just heard on the breakfast radio news. Merv King, the Governor of the bank of England, was talking about the Christmas retail figures. He said that we should not read too much into December, as the true meaning of Christmas will not be revealed until Easter.

We need to hear this from an economist?:confused:

[Abiel]

First of all, Warren, that is brilliant!!:thumbsup:


The reason for this post is something I just heard on the breakfast radio news. Merv King, the Governor of the bank of England, was talking about the Christmas retail figures. He said that we should not read too much into December, as the true meaning of Christmas will not be revealed until Easter.

We need to hear this from an economist?:confused:


SUper duper!

[Abiel]

:crossrc: Heavenly Father,

:angel: I have had a very rough day today. Please grant me the peace and serenity for tomorrow so that I don't lose it and kill someone.

:thumbsup: Father, in case the peace and serenity thing doesn't work, please also grant me the strength to carry away the bodies of those that didn't know what hit 'em.

:amen: Please dont! You wont be able to surf in prison!

[elm0]

A real friend never gets in your way - unless you happen to be on the way down.

-Dr. Wayne Dyer

[This_Beautiful_Faith]

A real friend never gets in your way - unless you happen to be on the way down.

-Dr. Wayne Dyer

Ohh... what an AWESOME quote! I love that!

[elm0]

WOW!! This_Beautiful_Faith, your avatar is incredible, where did you get the pic?

[This_Beautiful_Faith]

WOW!! This_Beautiful_Faith, your avatar is incredible, where did you get the pic?

Thank you elm0! It's a beauty, isn't it? :D ;) However, I don't have it up there just because of that. I have a thing with butterflies; I love them! To me they symbolize beauty, peace and delicacy. They float around so delicately and are so gentle and light - I want my spirit to be like that, so butterflies do mean something to me.

I would have picked it up from the net somewhere so I didn't take the picture myself. I have many on my computer, this is my favourite one though. Thanx for commenting! :D

[Andy Broadley]

*Groan* It's Saturday morning, it's 6:03am, and I'm at work.


Oh well, such is life. Morning folks.

[Abiel]

8:24am.
A good days standing yesterday. Nasty wind though.

[Andy Broadley]

1.08pm Going home soon. Sooooooooooo tired. Need sleep

[elm0]

12:49PM lunch time, and i've only been up for about 2 hours. Another slow day for me today, but my better half gets home today after being away working for 8 days, really looking forward to seeing her again. Maybe I'll get out a bit more often now.

[Evangelina]

Well, I survived the weekend, the housewarming I went to was good, the worship I was in charge of organising went beautifully - God spoke, and I think some people heard. Now I just need to catch up on sleep!

[Andy Broadley]

I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go..........;)



Morning all, Monday morning and raring to go (yea right!!).



Anyway, Kettles on.

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

Well my weekend was good... ITF helped set up for my housewarming, and I REALLY appreciate that.

Church on Sunday was good - it was talking about getting into God's Word, and at the end our pastor asked us to write down what kinds of discussions we'd like to have during the service this year.

Flame, can you guess what I asked for (considering what we continually find ourselves banging our heads against in here???)?? :P

Sasch

[Evangelina]

Hmmm... men, women, authority and submission? :D

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

LOL...

Something like that...

as well as...

1) How to develop healthy relationships (esp for young people)

and

2) How to reach out to the cyncical and sceptic new-ish Christians in our church community...

Sasch

[Evangelina]

Cool! :D

[Maggis]

Hi There,

Abiel I love reading your posts and enthusiasm for the Salvation Army. I am in a dilema at the moment. I came to the Father through the Army in Scotland many years ago. I have been a baptist member though for many years but not consistently. I have had thoughts that maybe I should be at the Army it is truly the only place I felt at home but Im in an abyss. The other issue is I cant seem to get up the nerve to go! I know that might sound silly but its a fact. So if you have any advice I would appreciate it.

thanks
Maggie

[Abiel]

Hi There,

Abiel I love reading your posts and enthusiasm for the Salvation Army. I am in a dilema at the moment. I came to the Father through the Army in Scotland many years ago. I have been a baptist member though for many years but not consistently. I have had thoughts that maybe I should be at the Army it is truly the only place I felt at home but Im in an abyss. The other issue is I cant seem to get up the nerve to go! I know that might sound silly but its a fact. So if you have any advice I would appreciate it.

thanks
Maggie


Crikey! Advice??? Me??? let me think.

First things first. What is God saying to your heart? PM me if you prefer.

[Abiel]

Oh my. What a day.

[Warren Peace]

Oh my. What a day.

What's the matter?

[Andy Broadley]

Sounds like someone is in need of a strong cup of Army tea. Kettles on.

[Abiel]

It's this whole pastoral care of supposedly mature christians who then stuff up thing. It got me down for a little while. Fortunately, my bible study group came round last night and gave me a jolly good talking too! It is really hard not to feel a failure sometimes, even when it is other peoples choice which have caused their own difficulties.

[elm0]

Yeehaw, I found out today that the SA now own a new camp site in our area, and its just up the road from where I used to live. Now to get a chance to go look see.

[Abiel]

Okay, I can feel a slump coming on. I have just raided the kids sweetie tin, and eaten 2 freddo frogs and a packet of buttons. I will be on a suger high in a minute and then I will get a headache. ARGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! It's home league and kids club today. I think I had better give home league lunch a miss- I don't think I can face the soup! To cap it all, I have a zit in the centre of my forehead. Think I'll play sonic the hedgehog to take mind off it all!

[Abiel]

It's great to be back on line! All is well in Abiel's world. How's it for the rest of us?

[Abiel]

Crikey! another day without CF. 3 cheers for webmaster Erwin!
I'm off to a childrens ministry conference in Eastbourne this weekend- see you all next week.

[Blueskies]

Wow, what a blessing to stumble across the SA in my daily visit to the forums. I grew up in the Salem, Oregon Citadel Corps, spent nearly every summer at Camp Kuratli at Trestle Glen, and look back on my years with the SA with so much joy and thanksgiving.

I am Messianic Jew now, but in the 15 years since I left SA, I have given thanks again and again for the solid foundation of truth and scriptural integrity that I have fallen back on all of my life. Because of the SA I have a love of music and singing that I have passed on to my own children.

Thank you for doing what you do.

[elm0]

Hey Blueskies, thank you for your post.

This may sound strange, but I was just trying to remember the name of a website I've been meaning to visit, and hey presto I saw your post. All I can say really is that God sure picks interesting ways to