Worshipping Yeshua?

[Jasmine-FL]

What do you think about worshipping Yeshua? You can choose more than one option

[visionary]

I will have to say that Yeshua told us to worship the Father. I believe this has more to do with image worshipping, since He came in the flesh and knew human nature to want to worship what they have "seen".

[Sephania]

:thumbsup: Vis! Excellent answer!

I think that there will come a time in the world to come where we will worship Yeshua, as it is written, every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Yeshua is L-RD, and this will be to the glory of HaShem.

At present he is our Cohen HaGadol, and will be in this position until the last trump, then he will come in glory and attain everything that the father promised him, through his father David.

[Sephania]

I can't answer your poll, however I will say that when we recognize Yeshua for who he is and what he did for us and that he was the promise of the father, and we do this by praying in his name, this gives glory to the Holy One, HaShem, because we believed his whole Word. And that belief, that faith is our worship. Yeshua is worshipped by us going through him to the father, and ONLY him. This is passed on to the father and gives him glory, because we obeyed His words on the day of Yeshua's "transfiguration".

This is my son, my only son in whom I am well pleased, Listen to what he tells you.

[Shimshon]

It seems according to scripture Yeshua did not accept "praises" from men. Nor did he come for them.

Sha'ul says to praise Elohim for the wonders of Yeshua. And this is exactly what the people did. They praised Elohim when Yeshua did anything. They never bowed down in worship to him. In fact he said he did not want the praise, it was HaAv's glory. Not his. He came to the glory of Elohim Avinu. Not himself. His power, words, and glory were all from and for ADONAI Elohim.

We are to pray to Elohim not Yeshua. We are to pray to Elohim "in Yeshua's name". And this to me does not me "to Yeshua's name"....i.e. Oh Yeshua save me!!!!... My salvation comes from Elohim alone...He alone is my Savior. And He saved me through the life and death of Yeshua HaMoshiach. We are saved by Elohim "through" Yeshua. Not through Elohim by Yeshua.

b,shalom
Shimshon



Yochanan
5:41 "I don't collect praise from men,

8:50 I am not seeking praise for myself. There is One who is seeking it, and he is the judge.8:54 Yeshua answered, "If I praise myself, my praise counts for nothing. The One who is praising me is my Father, the very one about whom you keep saying, `He is our God.' Romans
15:11 And again, "Praise ADONAI, all Gentiles! Let all peoples praise him!"

Mattityahu 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before people, so that they may see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.

Luke 19:37
and as he came near Yerushalayim, where the road descends from the Mount of Olives, the entire band of talmidim began to sing and praise God at the top of their voices for all the powerful works they had seen:

Luke 27:47
When the Roman officer saw what had happened, he began to praise God and said, "Surely this man was innocent!"

[Jasmine-FL]

I will have to say that Yeshua told us to worship the Father. I believe this has more to do with image worshipping, since He came in the flesh and knew human nature to want to worship what they have "seen".
visionary when i said form i meant 'way' not a physical form :)

[visionary]

visionary when i said form i meant 'way' not a physical form :)Yehsua in the flesh that men would worship, if he allowed them to, which would defeat the purpose of looking to the Father of us all. In fact inspite of Yeshua instructions, the worshipping of the Father is not happening. How many look not to the Father but Yeshua. Are we so caught up in sin, that Yeshua's intercession is as far as we can go? Should we not go beyond that to a relationship with the Father?

[Jasmine-FL]

You guys are right we should not worship Yeshua apart from G-d because what was divine about Him was G-d dwelling in the flesh kind of like the burning bush right

we should worship G-d alone how do i change back my vote?

[Sephania]

I think what Visonary is getting at is we should not worship the person of "jesus", as he was a human being, had form, etc. That is what hangs in many a church around the world and is also carryed through the streets, similar to Egyptian worship of the g0ds. For it is written:

12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

[Pray4Isrel]

Just a thought...
By who's blood do we have forgiveness of sins?
By who's Name to demons flee and sinners repent?
By who's Name can the lame be healed and the dead arise?

That's one powerful name.

[Shimshon]

Just a thought...
By who's blood do we have forgiveness of sins?
By who's Name to demons flee and sinners repent?
By who's Name can the lame be healed and the dead arise?

That's one powerful name.
Amein it is.

Yochanan 5:43 I have come in my Father's name, and you don't accept me; if someone else comes in his own name, him you will accept.

Yochanan 10:25 Yeshua answered them, "I have already told you, and you don't trust me. The works I do in my Father's name testify on my behalf,

Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and there was the Lamb standing on Mount Tziyon; and with him were 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
Chech that out. The 144k have the lambs name and the lambs Father's name written on them.

[Sephania]

I'm a little confused, I thought the question was weither or not to worship the person of Yeshua, not about using his name? But there's alot more about that on the 'Christ' thread I started. :)

[Shimshon]

Sorry if I mudied up the watere here Zayit. The G-dhead topic never seems to stop spinning. The 3 in 1. The 1 in 3. Heaven help us that we may SEE!!!! The 3 of you become 1 in me. ;)

b,ahava
shimshon

[Tavita]

These scriptures below from Isaiah show me that Yeshua is YHWH come in the flesh. His Name is Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father and Prince of Peace. He did not ask for or expect worship while He was here on earth because He had not yet been glorified. However, He is glorified now and is to be honored and adored as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords NOW. He is my ALL in ALL. He sums up all the Torah, the writings, the prophets, everything.


(Col 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

(Col 1:16) For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and FOR HIM.

(Col 1:17) He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

(Col 1:18) He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

(Col 1:19) For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,

(Col 1:20) and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.



(Isa 9:6) For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

(Isa 9:7) There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.

(1Ti 6:15) which He will bring about at the proper time--He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,

(1Ti 6:16) who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

[Pray4Isrel]

I'm a little confused, I thought the question was weither or not to worship the person of Yeshua, not about using his name?... The two go hand in hand :)

[Sephania]

Sorry if I mudied up the watere here Zayit. The G-dhead topic never seems to stop spinning. The 3 in 1. The 1 in 3. Heaven help us that we may SEE!!!! The 3 of you become 1 in me. ;)

b,ahava
shimshon
No, No, No, you didn't do anything, I was responding to what Pray asked . I just think there is a separation of body and name, and if we are bringing name into it, it will change my answer somewhat. Because the name = Salvation, as father Ya'akov fortold in his last words, what Moshe sang of , and what King David :) rejoiced in many a times. The L-RD becomes our salvation. Yeshua was that made visable. He was that seed of a woman that conquired death. Halleluyah!!! :clap:

[Sephania]

These scriptures below from Isaiah show me that Yeshua is YHWH come in the flesh. His Name is Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father and Prince of Peace. He did not ask for or expect worship while He was here on earth because He had not yet been glorified. However, He is glorified now and is to be honored and adored as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords NOW. He is my ALL in ALL. He sums up all the Torah, the writings, the prophets, everything.


(Col 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

(Col 1:16) For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and FOR HIM.

(Col 1:17) He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

(Col 1:18) He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

(Col 1:19) For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,

(Col 1:20) and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.



(Isa 9:6) For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

(Isa 9:7) There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.

(1Ti 6:15) which He will bring about at the proper time--He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,

(1Ti 6:16) who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.
Key words here I believe are "will be". At this point in time he is not the Eternal Father, He is the HIGHEST OF ALL Cohamin HaGadol. He has not been given the kingdom nor government yet, someone else is still in power.

He can be now called, as when he walked the earth, Sar Shalom, Prince of Peace.

Sh'aul ( Paul) understood this, here where he says "
(Col 1:18) He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything." Notice he says "will come".

Remember we are to pray, "Thy Kingdom Come". :pray:

[Jasmine-FL]

you guys are making me really really confused :cry: :help: :cry:

No, No, No, you didn't do anything, I was responding to what Pray asked . I just think there is a separation of body and name, and if we are bringing name into it, it will change my answer somewhat. Because the name = Salvation, as father Ya'akov fortold in his last words, what Moshe sang of , and what King David :) rejoiced in many a times. The L-RD becomes our salvation. Yeshua was that made visable. He was that seed of a woman that conquired death. Halleluyah!!! :clap:

[insaneinthebrain]

Some of the options in this poll violate rule 6:
[noco]
Therefore, this thread is closed.